[00:01:34] sevenov: bs - говно. Дохнет на "document.write('</SCR');"
[00:01:57] bobry: что есть bs? bullshit?
[00:02:29] sevenov: beautifulsoup
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[02:56:52] _lorien: sevenov, да есть у него такой затык, я поэтому в начале вырезаю script тэг регекспом
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[04:51:34] _lorien: ай эм
[04:53:42] bobry: да я вроде уже придумал)
[05:02:58] bobry: _lorien, а во вьюшке можно использовать какой нить аналог {% url %}
[05:04:28] bobry: reverse()
[05:04:32] bobry: все ясно
[05:04:55] _lorien: не за что
[05:04:58] bobry: :))
[05:05:37] bobry: я тут нагло вдохновляюсь исходниками dumpz.org, когда сильно в сомнениях)
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[09:57:32] огыешсук: sevenov: не только bs, к сожалению. я lxml пользую и он тоже не всегда умеет нормально скрипты вырезать :o(
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[12:19:15] огыешсук: А как из строки u'\u0418\u043c\u044f' получить строку u'Имя'?
[12:19:39] ts33kr:
>>> print u'\u0418\u043c\u044f'
Имя
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[12:19:59] ts33kr: Внезапно...
[12:20:14] Муркт: та да :))
[12:20:25] огыешсук: Я в курсе про принт, если такой догадливый, то подскажи, как его применить при re.sub('Имя', '', u'\u0418\u043c\u044f')
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[12:20:53] ts33kr: Выставить флаг unicode для регэкспа, и обе строки должны быть юникодны.
[12:21:21] огыешсук: In [103]: re.sub(u'Имя', '', u'\u0418\u043c\u044f', re.U)
Out[103]: u'\u0418\u043c\u044f'
[12:21:28] Муркт: огыешсук: а что ты хочешь получить?
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[12:21:45] Муркт: а
[12:21:45] огыешсук: Муркт: хочется, чтобы Out[103] был u''
[12:21:53] ts33kr:
>>> re.sub(u'Имя', '', u'\u0418\u043c\u044f', re.U)
u''
[12:22:04] ts33kr: огыешсук, ...
[12:22:10] _lorien: >>> re.sub(u'Имя', '', u'\u0418\u043c\u044f', re.U)
u''
[12:22:15] огыешсук: у нас разный питон?
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[12:22:29] Муркт: огыешсук: канешна. У тебя ипитон.
[12:22:34] Муркт: Он с кодировками не дружит.
[12:22:38] огыешсук: О как.
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[12:23:09] _lorien: угу, у меня сегодня тоже грабли в ipython были
[12:23:35] Муркт: ипитон такое выдаёт:
>>> u'Имя'
u'\xd0\x98\xd0\xbc\xd1\x8f'
[12:23:50] _lorien: In [1]: import random
In [4]: print random.choice(u'фыва')
Ð
[12:23:50] Муркт: хотя это можно исправить.
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[12:25:02] Муркт: но авторы используют базаар и хостятся на лаунчпаде
[12:25:07] Муркт: так что говорить тут не о чём
[12:25:27] огыешсук: Бида, как же я без ипитона.
[12:25:38] Муркт: огыешсук: если хочешь, можешь залезть в потроха ипитона и там пару строк исправить
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[12:26:35] огыешсук: А напомните, флаги в re объединяются по | или по &?
[12:26:49] огыешсук: хочется и re.I и re.U
[12:26:49] Муркт: по +
[12:26:58] Муркт: можно и по |, но плюс привычнее
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[12:27:44] Муркт: хммм
[12:27:56] Муркт: может попробовать засабмитить патчик для ипитона именно в арче?
[12:28:54] огыешсук: лучше в debian`е
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[12:29:48] ts33kr: огыешсук, Любые bitmask флаги обьеденяются по |, он же bitwise or.
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[12:30:03] ts33kr: А деконстрактятся по bitwise and, он же &
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[12:32:46] Муркт: огыешсук: так тебе сказать, что и где исправить?
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[12:33:17] огыешсук: лучше patch файл сразу, я его попробую в debian заслать
[12:33:24] Муркт: там патч на одну строку
[12:33:28] огыешсук: тем лучше
[12:33:46] Муркт: мне лень его делать
[12:34:10] огыешсук: тогда говори
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[12:35:51] Муркт: или как там он у тебя называется /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/IPython/iplib.py
[12:36:22] Муркт: для версии 0.10 это где-то около 2206 строки
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[12:36:55] Муркт: source=source.encode(self.stdin_encoding)
if source[:1] in [' ', '\t']:
source = 'if 1:\n%s' % source
+ source = '# coding: %s\n%s' % (self.stdin_encoding, source)

try:
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[12:44:39] Муркт: огыешсук: помогло?
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[12:46:24] RaD: кто помнит, как называется файлик стандартного солярного sh, который он выполняет при залогинивании пользователя?
[12:46:33] RaD: типа .bash_profile для bash
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[12:48:36] Большой Лис: RaD, завит от шела
[12:48:55] RaD: я точно описал какой именно шелл
[12:48:59] Муркт: Большой Лис: он же вроде точно сказазл.
[12:49:07] Муркт: *сказал
[12:49:08] Большой Лис: .profile
[12:49:11] RaD: о!
[12:49:21] RaD: савсем склероз
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[12:50:55] RaD: /me пишет инструкции для дебилов
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[12:58:10] огыешсук: Муркт: не, что-то не очень помогло:
In [1]: u'Имя'
Out[1]: u'\xd0\x98\xd0\xbc\xd1\x8f'
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[13:03:29] Муркт: огыешсук: очинь странно.
[13:03:50] Муркт: огыешсук: а что у тебя говорит sys.stdin.encoding?
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[13:07:08] огыешсук: In [1]: sys.stdin.encoding
Out[1]: 'UTF-8'

[13:07:12] xa4a_: почему не unicode('Имя', 'utf-8') ?
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[13:08:33] Муркт: xa4a_: каждый раз писать это в шелле - убиться можно
[13:08:45] Муркт: огыешсук: я даже не знаю, что тебе сказать
[13:09:08] Муркт: Py 2.6.4 (r264:75706, Oct 27 2009, 06:25:13) IPy 0.10
>>> u'Имя'
u'\u0418\u043c\u044f'
[13:09:18] xa4a_: сделай алиас
[13:09:20] Муркт: а до изменения было так как у тебя
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[13:53:10] RaD: кто помнит название скрипта на солярке, которые правильно прописывает start и kill ссылки на /etc/init.d/MYSCRIPT?
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[14:20:49] kwis: товарисчи, переопределяю медод save для модели. Задача такова, при сохранении нового обьекта, взять некоторые поля, сложить их в строчку и записать в другое поле. среди этих полей есть поле ForeignKey на другую модель. При сохранении ругается на кодировку этого поля...
[14:21:17] xa4a_: kwis: у тебя проблемы с кодировкой поля
[14:21:36] xa4a_: возникшие при решении твоей задачи
[14:21:43] kwis: вот кусок кода http://dumpz.org/14566/
[14:22:24] xa4a_: kwis: там написано сообщение об ошибке
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[14:22:39] xa4a_: причём в нём на кодировку не ругается
[14:22:57] xa4a_: TypeError unsupported operand type(s) for +: 'Services' and 'unicode'
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[14:25:00] kwis: так а как тогда взять ForeingKey с другой модели и сохранить его в строчку?
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[14:27:03] xa4a_: взять ForeignKey?
[14:27:06] xa4a_: как взять?
[14:27:20] Ляпатяпа: self.agreement_that это ВК?
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[14:28:20] xa4a_: очевидно да
[14:28:52] Ляпатяпа: self.agreement_name = u"%s № %s от %s" % (self.agreement_that.id, self.agreement_no.id, self.agreement_contract_date)
[14:29:39] kwis: я понял что я спрашиваю ерунду))) ща перекурю и почеловечески спрошу
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[14:30:11] Ляпатяпа: курить вредно
[14:30:39] Ляпатяпа: вот сейчас перекуришь и очередную хуиту будет спрашивать
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[14:31:07] огыешсук: хорошо ещё не нюхается, а то б такое спросил
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[14:39:54] kwis: нет ребята не буду
[14:39:57] kwis: я сам допер
[14:40:14] kwis: надо было просто конкретно указать поле в модели на которую ссылаюсь
[14:40:37] kwis: и почему так грубо на новичка?
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[14:41:19] wiz_: разве новичковость даёт какие-то привилегии?
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[14:46:56] kwis: не важно...
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[14:49:19] Муркт: kwis: по-моему я тебя тут уже не первый месяц вижу
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[14:50:11] kwis: Муркт, за несколько месяцев можно выучить питон и начать без вопросов писать джанго-проекты?
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[14:50:18] xa4a_: да
[14:50:20] Муркт: да
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[14:50:32] xa4a_: без глупых вопросов*
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[14:50:59] xa4a_: ну на крайняк с чётко сформулированными вопросами :)
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[14:52:15] kwis: эхх... мне бы так...
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[15:00:15] ilnur.soft is now Я в сети с 15:59
[15:00:18] ilnur.soft is now люблю свою девочку!!!
мой микроблог http://juick.com/ilnursoft@jabber.ru/

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[15:05:30] sevenov: kwis, у меня друг недавно потыкал недельку-две питон, больше ничего не спрашивает. Доки питона читать умеет, гугл есть.
[15:05:31] ts33kr is now online
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[15:05:47] sevenov: кстати, упоротый с++-ник
[15:06:52] kwis: sevenov, друг стопудово свободно или хорошо владеет английским, и навыками программирования на других языках... Мой ник?
[15:07:13] sevenov: kwis, только c++.
[15:07:24] sevenov: английский даже ниже меня.
[15:07:44] trurl is now online
[15:07:51] kwis: sevenov, ну однозначно не ниже меня, я в школе учил немецкий)))
[15:08:13] kwis: в итоге ни того не знаю ни того...
[15:09:04] sevenov: я когда толком не умел читать английский, переводил промтом и ко, хоть смысл понимал.
[15:09:32] Большой Лис: kwis, так может уже пора начать?
[15:09:45] dmalexey is now Прямо сейчас меня здесь нет
[15:09:50] Большой Лис: или жаловацца на горькую судьбинушку эфективнее?
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[15:10:33] xa4a_: google translate же
[15:10:46] RaD is now online
[15:10:55] sevenov: Большой Лис, он считает, что так всегда можно быть в статусе "новичка" и возникать "и почему так грубо на новичка?".
[15:11:19] sevenov: уже на протяжении чуть ли не полу года.
[15:11:32] Большой Лис: xa4a_, для инопланетян перевод сойдёт %)
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[15:12:06] Большой Лис: sevenov, так я ж иговорю, пора банить :D
[15:12:15] sevenov: Большой Лис, :D
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[15:13:11] огыешсук: /me читает на линкедине топик "а кто в джанге скока получает", отдельные пункты: "I've never seen anyone US-based go lower than $35/hr. As an individual I've charged between $45/hr-$75/hr myself", "We charge 1800 USD per week", "Our hourly rate is 125$", "45-55 в час за консультации, 60-120 за кодинг"....
[15:13:12] sevenov: ДОБАФФЛЯЙТЕЗЬ В ДРУЗЬЯ СИМПАФФКУ ДАМ SEVENOV@GOOGLEWAVE.COM
[15:13:16] kwis is now away
[15:13:24] огыешсук: /me начинает подозревать, что сильно себя недооценивает на рынке
[15:13:28] kwis is now online
[15:13:39] sevenov: /me теперь тоже
[15:13:48] xa4a_: US-based
[15:14:19] xa4a_: тоесть не аутсорсинг
[15:14:22] mishok13: 120 баксов в час за кодинг получать может разве что ГвР
[15:14:50] sevenov: а может рубли? о_О
[15:14:51] Большой Лис: mishok13, или до уровня поднятый ЧсВ ;)
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[15:14:59] mishok13: ну или так
[15:15:01] огыешсук: xa4a: это всё больше про фриланс
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[15:17:25] wiz_: а есть какой-нибудь кодик чтобы на html страничку бросить и оно по SVG файлу ползало - тупо pan&zoom
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[15:18:22] огыешсук: Это я про http://to./djangorate
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[15:20:47] xa4a_: ссылка, чё-то не пашет
[15:20:49] огыешсук: mishok13: эээ, а почему? адвокатишки вон и по 400 в час брать не стесняются.
[15:21:07] xa4a_: огыешсук: они консультанты же
[15:21:23] огыешсук: xa4a_: у меня пашет
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[15:21:52] mishok13: огыешсук, "адвокатишки"?
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[15:22:48] огыешсук: ну, люди, паразитирующие на том, что законы слишком сложны и непонятны для людей, не посвятивших своей жизни на изучение оных
[15:23:01] mishok13: чтобы получить статус адвоката надо хер знает сколько учится, потом носить кофе в качестве ассистента и к 35 наконец получить статус адвоката, только без возможности быть полноправным партнером, потом ждать еще 10 лет чтобы наконец стать партнером
[15:23:15] mishok13: то есть, к 45 жизнь налаживается
[15:23:18] mishok13: охлол
[15:23:47] ilnur.soft is now люблю свою девочку!!!
мой микроблог http://juick.com/ilnursoft@jabber.ru/

[15:23:48] mishok13: программисты, люди паразитирующие на том, что программирование слишком сложно для людей, не посвятивших свою жизнь этому делу
[15:23:58] огыешсук: а кто-то возражает?
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[15:24:17] mishok13: your logic is flawless, congratulations
[15:24:40] mishok13: только фишка в том, что программистом можно стать быстрее и сделать это проще, нежели стать адвокатом
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[15:25:03] огыешсук: ясен пень, что типичное программирование скоро станет делом повседневным и простым для обывателя 21 века, а нынешние кодеры вымрут как класс
[15:25:06] MAVr is now Да, я тут
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[15:25:21] mishok13: ага, как водители такси вымерли
[15:25:25] mishok13: ;)
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[15:25:47] sevenov: mishok13, чтобы зарабатывать хотя бы $2-3k нужно тоже иметь опыт. Причем опыт не в резюме "фриланс - вриланс - фриланс", а желательно бы в трудовой ;))
[15:26:26] mishok13: и?
[15:26:28] огыешсук: а вне Этой Страны трудовая хоть где то роляет?
[15:27:18] огыешсук: mishok13: водители кобылы вымерли, теперь больше сам-себе-водителей, чем профессиональных извозчиков
[15:27:49] sevenov: mishok13, черт, вторую реплику не прочел. Это был ответ на аналогию "программисты, люди паразитирующие на том, ...".
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[15:28:14] mishok13: огыешсук, это ты пытаешься доказать что программисты вымрут как класс, да*
[15:28:17] mishok13: ?
[15:28:22] mishok13: у тебя это плохо получается
[15:28:33] огыешсук: кодеры, не программисты
[15:28:40] mishok13: что такое кодеры
[15:29:01] mishok13: это что-то мифическое?
[15:29:05] AlexKiriukha: Никак не могу нагуглить. Как бы мне создать объект с FileField на основе file-like object?
[15:29:08] огыешсук: тот, кто не аналитик
[15:29:36] mishok13: а кто такие аналитики в твоем определении?
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[15:29:59] огыешсук: прикладной системный инженег
[15:30:02] огыешсук: *р
[15:30:09] Большой Лис: mishok13, кодер, это тупой уйобище, которое тупо набивает код
[15:30:10] Муркт: инженегр
[15:30:19] mishok13: Большой Лис, ты таких видел?
[15:30:26] Муркт: mishok13: по поводу адвокатов
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[15:30:44] Большой Лис: mishok13, практически каждый 3-ий похапэшнег
[15:30:46] RaD is now online
[15:30:52] Большой Лис: никуя не понимаю шо мутят
[15:30:54] Большой Лис: но мутят
[15:30:59] Большой Лис: не понимают*
[15:31:00] Муркт: mishok13: кроме того, что программистом можно стать гораздо раньше, чем в 45 лет, так тебя ещё и мудаком не считают по умолчанию
[15:31:04] Муркт: :)
[15:31:16] sevenov: Большой Лис, шаблонизаторы пишут же, ну. Что им еще делать остается?
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[15:37:48] Большой Лис: Муркт, при этом 50% населения США, адвокаты %)
[15:38:23] Муркт: Большой Лис: и одновременно ещё же и негры, и пидорасы? :)
[15:38:45] Большой Лис: это два других "50%"
[15:38:48] Большой Лис: :D
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[15:39:46] tilarids: Диаграмма Венна с тремя классами - адвокаты, негры и педерасты
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[15:40:28] tilarids: и с ней на какой-нибудь СШАшный форум
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[15:40:42] tilarids: sevenov: пользуйся идеей, хотя бы поешь ^
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[15:41:07] sevenov: tilarids, а? Какой идеей? :)
[15:41:29] sevenov: tilarids, и я кагбэ поел уже.
[15:42:15] tilarids: sevenov: с диаграммой венна с педерастами, неграми и адвокатами. Как минимум на одного из представителей нарвёшься
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[15:42:32] sevenov: tilarids, не хочу.
[15:42:45] wiz_: есть очень сильно связаный граф. чем бы его визуализировать? matplot не предлагать, на выходе УГ
[15:43:01] tilarids: graphviz?
[15:43:09] wiz_: 33k рёбер
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[15:44:30] RaD: отребри по штуке
[15:44:34] огыешсук: а pydev.ru/feed/community и pyplanetru идентичны что ли?
[15:44:42] wiz_: RaD, чочо?
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[15:45:25] xa4a_: wiz_: обрежь рёбра маловажные
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[15:45:33] wiz_: мне вот нравится http://www.yworks.com/img/screenshots/yedscreen24.png но я хз как в него данные загружать
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[15:45:53] xa4a_: кстати, на питоне что-то было
[15:45:54] wiz_: там сколько не режь, в центре каша
[15:45:57] xa4a_: даже видео рисовало
[15:46:14] tilarids: gource?
[15:46:16] wiz_: не
[15:46:18] xa4a_: не
[15:46:20] wiz_: там ещё RPC
[15:46:27] wiz_: и оно на OpenGL рисует, да?
[15:46:31] wiz_: забыл как звать
[15:46:43] RaD: вот недавно на хабре было
[15:46:56] RaD: надо граф упрощать, чё делать то
[15:47:26] wiz_: хабр надо упрощать
[15:48:05] tilarids: habr/habr == 1
[15:48:55] xa4a_: http://networkx.lanl.gov/index.html
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[15:48:57] Большой Лис: habr/habr == exception
[15:49:01] xa4a_: чо-то симпатичное
[15:49:05] Большой Лис: ибо на ноль делить нельзя %)
[15:49:50] wiz_: ну оно на матплотлиб выводит
[15:49:56] wiz_: а диграф на графвиз не хочет
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[15:50:23] wiz_: а так да, для не очень плотных графов неплохая штука
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[15:51:12] wiz_: http://ubietylab.net/ubigraph/content/Docs/index.html
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[15:52:32] tilarids: wiz_: может, матплот подхачить можно?
[15:52:36] tilarids: покажи картинку с матплота
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[16:05:58] Муркт: http://s39.radikal.ru/i085/0911/66/5d7a43f5cb81.jpg
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[16:07:31] wiz_: г
[16:07:38] Большой Лис: %)
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[16:08:06] mishok13: богмой, матплот таки уг
[16:08:27] wiz_: мне кажется на таких данных что угодно - уг (=
[16:08:49] RaD: че за данные?
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[16:10:01] mishok13: ну почему же, грамотный алгоритм просто надо писать
[16:10:39] wiz_: хех
[16:10:45] tilarids: wiz: размер картинки увеличь раз в 100
[16:10:45] wiz_: у nx есть pagerank встроеный
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[16:10:51] wiz_: tilarids, как?
[16:11:02] tilarids: wiz_: а нельзя?
[16:11:06] tilarids: fail
[16:11:16] wiz_: я пробовал dpi сказать для draw, но оно выжрало память и сдохло
[16:12:45] tilarids: :)
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[16:28:42] wiz_: мдеее
[16:28:51] wiz_: чем не рендери, один фиг goatse вырисовывается (8
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[21:16:18] feedbot: A Simple Lisp Parser in Python http://www.reddit.com/r/Python/comments/a7c2h/a_simple_lisp_parser_in_python/ (www.reddit.com)
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[23:45:03] pzskc383: внимание оффтопик
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[23:45:16] pzskc383: посоветуйте jabber клиент, гаджим тормозной
[23:45:33] piranha: jabber.el? :)
[23:46:19] pzskc383: в соседней вкладке vim@c.j.r
[23:46:23] pzskc383: ну ты понял
[23:46:44] piranha: ага, т.е. тебе не только джаббер-клиент поменять надо....
[23:46:47] piranha: :)
[23:46:53] piranha: ну, хрен знает - пиджин?
[23:46:53] pzskc383: следующий!
[23:46:56] pzskc383: :)
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[23:47:00] pzskc383: ну пиджин.
[23:47:02] piranha: я юзаю адиум и почти доволен
[23:47:12] pzskc383: а. мак.
[23:47:22] piranha: пиджин, правда, хуже него, но всë равно с горем пополам можно жиь
[23:47:35] piranha: не, гоню. Он намного хуже, не зря ж я jabber.el юзал )
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