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[08:18:02] indy34: Доброго утра
[08:20:28] indy34: люди добры кто может подсказать как обновить форму по событию элемента <SELECT>?
[08:21:15] Typhon: каналом ошибся.
[08:21:21] Typhon: тебе в haskell@c.j.r
[08:21:44] sevenov: Typhon, толсто.
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[08:25:07] indy34: Typhon - я имею ввиду посреlством django это можно сделать?
[08:25:34] ts33kr: Сделать что, конкретно...
[08:25:38] ts33kr: По какому "событию"?
[08:25:59] pr0ks: javascript, onChange?
[08:26:36] ts33kr: indy34, В любом случае -- это уровень клиентской стороны, по-этому юзай js.
[08:27:52] indy34: ts33kr - я тут вроде прочитал что в django есть свои widget ими можно ли воспользоваться?
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[08:29:17] ts33kr: Они тут не при чем. Эти виджеты -- это всего лишь архитектурное решение django для форм. Для их удобного конструирования и работы с ними. А то, что ты хочешь -- должно реализовыватся на _клиентской_ стороне. Javascriptом ловить нужный эвент на нужном элементе -- и дальше уже делать что тебе нужно.
[08:30:10] indy34: ясно т.e. по другому никак?
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[09:06:24] indy34: собственно еще один вопрос возни по ходу дела : Как передать из js функции результат в мою функцию в views.py
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[09:07:29] ts33kr: Сделать ajax запрос, естественно
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[09:08:35] indy34: ts33kr: - во блин приплыли, ок сейчас будем изучать дальше, спасибо за понимание
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[09:23:04] sevenov: ts33kr, знаешь, что хуево в нынешнем парсере команд гаджима? Я не могу написать /r/, например.
[09:23:58] ts33kr: //r/
[09:24:14] sevenov: можно пробел
[09:24:23] ts33kr: Нельзя пробел
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[09:25:08] ts33kr: Точнее, можешь и пробел, но зачем? `//r/` это аналог `/say /r/`
[09:25:47] sevenov: /r/ лалал
[09:25:49] sevenov: пробел
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[09:26:12] sevenov: а
[09:26:20] ts33kr: Как до жирафа...
[09:26:32] sevenov: я читаю не до конца )
[09:26:35] sevenov: последовательно
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этого даже гуру не знают
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[12:10:54] cthulchu: ребят, помогите пожалуйста с траблой: http://python.su/forum/viewtopic.php?id=5930
[12:11:49] mishok13: тебе там уже ответили
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[12:14:23] yad8881: Подскажите пожалуйста существуют ли рабочие примеры реверс прокси на python, в twisted есть примеры, толи я их не понял толи они действительно не работают.
[12:15:05] cthulchu: да, да, супер. кодить на питоне с таким форумом и конфой - сплошное удовольствие.
[12:16:26] ts33kr: cthulchu, А еще большее удовольствие от этого можно получить путем чтения документаци...
[12:17:20] cthulchu: угу, документацию чту. юзаю гугл и все такое. но сам знаешь - иногда так хочется спросить... :)
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[12:19:22] Renji: а что за команда print?
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[12:20:31] piranha: cthulchu: неужели пример с принтом и %s не наталкивает на мысль?
[12:20:52] cthulchu: угу, щас как раз тыкаю.
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[12:25:05] yad8881: С реверс прокси кто нибуть работал?? если не трудно скажите где почитать?
[12:25:40] огыешсук: в доках на нжинкс?
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[12:26:50] yad8881: а на twisted ytn ghbvthf&
[12:27:00] yad8881: *нет примера?
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[12:29:08] sevenov: Да поможет тебе гугл, юный yad8881.
[12:29:28] yad8881: спасибо)
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[12:34:23] cthulchu: f1.write(' <production id="%s" count="1"/>') % cl[:found]
[12:34:26] cthulchu: не хочет :(
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[12:35:02] cthulchu: фаунд - это переменная с номером строки. результат отработки команды cl.find (';')
[12:35:02] mishok13: скобку не там закрыл
[12:35:09] cthulchu: ой :)
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[12:36:22] cthulchu: если скобку закрывать в конце, то компилятор говорит, что для функции write нужен хотя бы один аргумент...
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[12:36:43] cthulchu: а я задал 0 аргументов.
[12:36:46] piranha: f1.write('    <production id="%s" count="1"/>' % cl[:found])
[12:37:04] piranha: вот на такое ругается?
[12:37:21] cthulchu: да
[12:37:29] cthulchu: стоп
[12:37:34] cthulchu: прбел лишний у мну...
[12:38:01] piranha: эээ
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[12:38:09] cthulchu: не, пробел не играет роли
[12:38:11] piranha: где это может быть лишний пробел? :)
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[12:38:20] cthulchu: '%
[12:38:37] cthulchu: а, у тебя там стоит пробел, не заметил. но в общем - не важно
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[12:38:50] cthulchu: f1.write('<!-- %s -->'% cl[found+1:])
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[12:38:58] cthulchu: TypeError: function takes exactly 1 argument (0 given)
[12:39:51] piranha: ээ… ты уверен, что речь про write?
[12:40:08] cthulchu: да, точно. я все принты переписал
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[12:41:44] cthulchu: интерпритатор еще считает что я пишу: f1.write()
[12:41:55] cthulchu: тобишь, не видит того, что в скобках...
[12:42:00] piranha: брр
[12:42:08] piranha: а строку именно эту упоминает?
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[12:43:01] cthulchu: ща скопипастю код
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[12:43:36] piranha: dumpz.org <http://dumpz.org> тока
[12:43:40] piranha: и ошибку туда же
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[12:43:48] piranha: cthulchu: полную ошибку в смысле
[12:43:50] sevenov: Чем там Ктулху-то питается? Мозгом?
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[12:44:00] cthulchu: ок, с ошибкой
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[12:44:14] Renji: f1.write(' <item id="'+a+'">')
Помоему так удобочитабельнее
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[12:44:24] Renji: piranha: или это не всегда безопастно?
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[12:44:56] piranha: хз, по-моему приходится выцеплять глазами, что там к чему
[12:45:10] piranha: ну и плюс такое сработает, толькое если a - строка
[12:45:13] sevenov: Renji,
>>> ''+1+''
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
TypeError: cannot concatenate 'str' and 'int' objects
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[12:45:39] cthulchu: вот код, в конце закоменчен результат отработки: http://pastebin.ru/309030
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[12:45:49] piranha: ага
[12:45:55] Renji: тогда +str(a)+
[12:46:00] Renji: ^))
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[12:46:15] piranha: cthulchu: ну так у тебя там два f1.write()
[12:46:18] piranha: без аргументов
[12:46:23] Renji: Не, лучше %s юзать
[12:46:26] cthulchu: ой, блин
[12:46:29] cthulchu: я идиот
[12:46:51] piranha: Renji: угу, в большинстве случаев
[12:47:00] piranha: в джаваскрипте его нету и это ацки бесит )
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[12:47:55] piranha: lxml.etree не понимает юникод или шо?
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[12:48:07] piranha: >>> f = f.decode('utf-8')
>>> q = etree.parse(f)
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
UnicodeDecodeError Traceback (most recent call last)
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[12:48:16] piranha: шо с ним такое блин? :/
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[12:48:52] cthulchu: а как лучше всего после записи строки в файл, открытый с ключиком "a", возвращать каретку на новую строку?
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[12:49:41] piranha: f.write('\n')
[12:50:13] slav0nic: никто не в курсе с Ekiga (sip voip) на Skype никак не дозвониться?
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[12:51:06] Большой Лис: slav0nic, никак
[12:51:19] cthulchu: о, супер... а вот так: f.write ('тру-ля-ля%sля-ля /n'% ' тру-')
[12:51:32] slav0nic: Большой Лис, и "гейтов" нкиаких нет?
[12:51:43] piranha: cthulchu: ага, только \n
[12:51:50] slav0nic: в скайпе вроде за бабло омжно на sip
[12:51:56] cthulchu: ой, точно, спасибочки:)
[12:52:17] piranha: хммм… а никто наизусть не помнит, как в xpath искать по содержимому?
[12:52:36] Большой Лис: slav0nic, ну да, с сипа через скайп можно звонить на нормальные номера (и перебашливать за SIP ояебу как)
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[12:55:06] cthulchu: хехехехе! финишед:) кайф:)
[12:55:16] cthulchu: спасибо!)
[12:55:37] Renji: гг
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[12:58:50] sevenov: piranha, по какому содержимому?
[12:59:04] piranha: та уже всë
[12:59:06] piranha: по тексту
[12:59:12] piranha: //*[text() = $text]
[12:59:34] piranha: осталось вспомнить, можно ли юзать регекспы и чо делать с этим всем %)
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[13:01:25] sevenov: piranha, можно конечно.
[13:01:32] sevenov: там есть match()
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[13:01:47] piranha: просто match(text(), $text) ?
[13:02:24] sevenov: fn:matches("foobar", "^.*bar$")
[13:02:30] piranha: хех
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[13:02:51] sevenov: так же и fn:replace вроде есть
[13:03:04] sevenov: погугли :)
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[13:03:18] piranha: та погугливаю, но не очень удачно. Матчит оно как-то странно
[13:03:36] piranha: len(h.xpath('//*[fn:matches(text(), "$text")]', text='^8 /$')) => 359
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[13:03:41] piranha: хотя он там такой всего один
[13:05:12] sevenov: Как странно? :)
[13:05:31] piranha: ну нихрена не матчит, короче ;)
[13:05:39] sevenov: matches => bool
[13:05:46] sevenov: http://www.w3.org/TR/xpath-functions/#func-matches на, читай :)
[13:05:49] piranha: точнее матчит всë шо угодно
[13:05:53] piranha: гммм
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[13:09:08] piranha: sevenov: так это хорошо, что bool. Вот оно ж не возвращает на все мои попытки - true? 359 - это вообще все элементы.
[13:09:41] sevenov: piranha, та я его уж не помню :-)
[13:09:52] sevenov: /и это радует/
[13:10:12] piranha: та я блин последний раз с этим возился так давно, что вспоминаю со скриптом
[13:10:15] piranha: западло %)
[13:11:00] cthulchu: f1.write(' <ingredient id="4037" count="%s"/>\n'% 2*a)
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[13:11:05] cthulchu: очень оригинально срабатывает:)
[13:11:21] cthulchu: постит строку 2*а раз:)
[13:11:31] cthulchu: придется переменные добавлять :)
[13:11:40] piranha: а что тебе нужно?
[13:11:47] piranha: (2*a) тебе нужно?
[13:11:56] cthulchu: ну да:)
[13:11:57] piranha: у % выше приоритет, чем у *
[13:12:02] piranha: точнее нет, по-моему точно такой же
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[13:12:09] piranha: ну так и возьми их в скобки
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[13:12:23] cthulchu: окей, ща попробую :))))
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[13:13:39] cthulchu: работает, супер. волшебный язык.
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[13:14:05] piranha: sevenov: какой-то говняный этот xpath...
[13:14:19] sevenov: piranha, ога :)
[13:14:24] sevenov: а некоторые прутся
[13:14:52] piranha: пускай прутся в топку
[13:15:16] piranha: короче буду матчить полную строку
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[13:15:22] piranha: а то остальное генерирует какую-то лажу
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[13:16:10] piranha: вот как такое можно объяснить?
>>> h.xpath('//*[text() = $text]', text='8 /')
[<Element td at 102982258>]
>>> len(h.xpath('//*[fn:contains(text(), $text)]', text='8 /'))
359

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[13:18:05] sevenov: Может пейтоновое говнецо тупит?
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[13:18:21] piranha: хммм
[13:18:24] piranha: как бы проверить?
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[13:18:58] piranha: о, файрбаг
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[13:20:43] piranha: файрбаг круче - он выдаëт 0 элементов ;)
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[13:21:39] sevenov: файербаг - мужиик.
[13:21:45] sevenov: ленивый, ниче ему не нужно
[13:22:41] piranha: о, не
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[13:22:49] piranha: просто надо писать не fn:contains, а contains
[13:23:00] piranha: пляяя
[13:23:04] piranha: в нëм всë работает
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[13:24:35] piranha: тупой лхмл
[13:25:25] mishok13: какая у тебя версия lxml?
[13:25:28] mishok13: и libxml2?
[13:25:35] piranha: 2.2.4
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[13:25:51] piranha: libxml2… сек
[13:26:00] piranha: libxml2 системный, хрен же его знает
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[13:26:26] piranha: 2.7.3
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[13:27:16] mishok13: вроде всё свеженькое
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[13:27:21] piranha: угу
[13:27:25] mishok13: я бы винил lxml
[13:27:37] mishok13: они всё таки остают от libxml2 прилично
[13:27:40] piranha: оу
[13:27:43] piranha: всë отлично
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[13:27:51] piranha: в fn:contains таки не надо писать fn:
[13:28:05] piranha: однако %)
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[13:28:17] piranha: а вот matches - не работает
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[13:28:42] огыешсук: а cssselect такого не умеет?
[13:29:03] piranha: оу, я похоже придумал лучше путь
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[13:30:03] piranha: огыешсук: а хрен знает… у меня вообще задача - находить xpath по элементу. Я вот думал задавать элемент руками (его содержимое), а тут думаю, что может буду подгружать страничку и там вешать обработчик джаваскриптовый, который и будет генерировать xpath
[13:30:59] огыешсук: piranha: не советую, тот xpath, что выдаст JS это зачастую совсем не тот xpath что даст lxml
[13:31:00] xa4a_: /me на эту тему как раз читад недавно
[13:31:05] xa4a_: про поисковики по xmlу
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[13:31:17] piranha: xa4a_: какие такие поисковики?
[13:31:23] piranha: огыешсук: и шо ж мне делать? :\
[13:31:33] огыешсук: банально потому, что JS работает уже с немного более другим DOM деревом
[13:31:43] piranha: да и кстати какая разница? Он выдаëт тупой td[4]/td[5]
[13:31:48] piranha: а блин. реально...
[13:31:57] огыешсук: piranha: лично я поступил просто -- pagemon.net
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[13:32:32] огыешсук: введи какую нибудь страницу в поле и открой в файрбаге её отображение из фрейма
[13:32:37] piranha: ок
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[13:33:08] огыешсук: этот вариант работает ибо всегда один и тот же lxml считает xpath
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[13:33:21] piranha: гммм
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[13:34:46] xa4a_: piranha: http://www.mpi-inf.mpg.de/departments/d5/teaching/ss03/xml-seminar/Material/Guo_sigmod2003.pdf
[13:35:08] piranha: огыешсук: у меня в файрбаге в ифрейме пусто :/
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[13:35:35] indy34: Люди добрые повторюсь еще раз с утра уже писал, кто нибудь знает как можно реализовать следующую схему
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[13:36:45] огыешсук: piranha: да вроде не пусто :o/
[13:37:21] piranha: огыешсук: мож у меня такой файрбаг клëвый… а что там?
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[13:38:20] indy34: имею два элемента select в одном выбираю нужный итем и нужно сделать так что бы во втором select отобразились данные соответсвующие в выбранном первом
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[13:38:48] indy34: т.e. порсто реализовать две связанные таблицы
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[13:39:25] xa4a_: JOIN
[13:39:34] огыешсук: piranha: а ты кликал на второй ссылке? а там я просто всем элементам их xpath при генерации страницы прописал в id оных элементов
[13:39:47] piranha: а, на второй ссылке
[13:39:49] piranha: не, плин
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[13:40:27] piranha: гагагага
[13:40:32] piranha: супер
[13:40:38] indy34: сделал во что реализовал обработчик onchange для первого select вижу данные а как их заслать в мое представление не знаю
[13:40:40] piranha: огыешсук: а ты не поделишься кодом? :)
[13:40:48] огыешсук: кодом чего?
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[13:41:01] огыешсук: маркер на lxml это пара строк питона
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[13:41:08] piranha: это на лхмл всë?
[13:41:11] piranha: окей
[13:41:12] огыешсук: да
[13:41:16] piranha: /me втыкает
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[13:52:21] pzskc383: гм, а у вас тоже твиттер-транспорт от process-one лежит?
[13:52:29] pzskc383: *всё еще
[13:52:31] piranha: да он вроде давно довольно лежит
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[13:55:05] xa4a_: а у меня не лежит 8)
[13:55:25] xa4a_: и я никак не пойму, что не так
[13:55:26] xa4a_: делаю
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[13:56:18] piranha: а мне вообще глубоко насрать, но я знаю, что я не так делаю ;0
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[13:57:34] огыешсук: /me . o 0 (нафига оно, если есть twitterspy)
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[13:58:51] pzskc383: гм, что ли себе поднять
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[13:59:08] pzskc383: каучдб?
[13:59:22] pzskc383: а в муську :/
[13:59:32] огыешсук: прекрсно работает с лайтом
[13:59:46] pzskc383: впрочем нахер его в муську
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[14:00:00] pzskc383: вечерком поставлю, спасибо.
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[14:04:11] wonderfulll: какой параметр у dd отвечает чтобы не брал пустое место, когда образ флэшки делаю?
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[14:06:33] Большой Лис: а разве есть такой?
[14:06:42] pzskc383: эээ, чо?
[14:06:43] wonderfulll: говорят что есть
[14:06:54] pzskc383: поясни "не брал пустое место"
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[14:07:03] piranha: sparse If one or more output blocks would consist solely of NUL bytes, try to seek the output file by the required space
instead of filling them with NULs, resulting in a sparse file.

[14:07:07] piranha: может такое?
[14:07:08] pzskc383: есть skip вообще, но я не уверен, что ты об эотм
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[14:15:13] feedbot: Блог Романа Ворушина — Язык программирования Python создан специально для киборгов http://is.gd/5mLdF (vorushin.ru)
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[14:18:34] огыешсук: feedbot: а я думал, что для прославления летающего цирка :o\
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[14:22:57] cthulchu: эээ... закомментить кусок строки - #* коммент *# да?
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[14:23:24] cthulchu: блин, забыл
[14:23:29] ts33kr: Вообще-то # достаточно.
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[14:23:36] ts33kr: И это -- ты бы почитал документацию, что-ли.
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[14:23:48] ts33kr: А то не знал, не знал и забыл.
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[14:28:47] cthulchu: # не достаточно. надо закомментить кусок строки, говорю же. так удобнее
[14:28:59] cthulchu: да вот читаю викиучебник. пока не вижу
[14:29:14] RaD: имхо кусок не комментится
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[14:30:20] xa4a_: cthulchu: никак
[14:30:38] cthulchu: жаль. спасибо, а то я уже чей-то блог читаю :)
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[14:31:11] cthulchu: это в си //* comment *//
[14:31:19] cthulchu: перепутал
[14:31:36] xa4a_: O_o
[14:31:51] xa4a_: не будет это в си работать
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[14:33:03] cthulchu: ну проверь :)
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[14:33:26] xa4a_: там // или /* */
[14:33:33] xa4a_: //* *// никак не выйдет
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[14:34:01] cthulchu: а, да, конечно
[14:34:09] cthulchu: /
[14:35:35] RaD: сафсэм ничего ни знаэт
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[14:47:11] Passsvord: Привет всем
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[14:47:53] xa4a_: привет
[14:47:59] Passsvord: Подскажите лучшую бесплатную версию интерпретатора на symbian 9.2
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[14:48:14] Passsvord: Питона
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[14:48:37] ts33kr: Ну так, глянь на оф. сайте PyS60.
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[14:49:12] Passsvord: А там на русском?
[14:50:07] xa4a_: а зачем на русском?
[14:50:14] xa4a_: интерпретатор-то точно не на русском
[14:50:21] RaD: а он нерусский не знает
[14:50:47] RaD: в школе курил много
[14:50:57] RaD: вместо джедайского
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[14:51:47] Passsvord: 1.4.5. Там, у меня он и стоит, думал новее есть
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[14:53:52] cthulchu: RaD, а тебе сколько лет? просто для статистики.
[14:54:16] Мозгошредер: http://football.ua/i/news/85308.jpg
[14:54:19] RaD: давно вышел из призывного возраста
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[14:54:58] RaD: Мозгошредер: они не в курсе, что они сгорят-утонут в том году? :)
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[15:01:26] Мозгошредер: RaD, евро летом
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[15:01:29] Мозгошредер: успеем :)
[15:01:52] mishok13: ждём рецензии от Лебедева
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[15:02:13] mishok13: "говно, сразу видно наши сделали"
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[15:08:47] yad8881: А по поводу клиентских запросов через прокси в twisted никто не подскажет??
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[15:10:02] Большой Лис: vord
^_^
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[15:10:24] Большой Лис: yad8881, поконкретнее, задавай вопрос
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[15:11:09] yad8881: нужно клиентское приложение на twisted pfcnfdbnm [jlbnm d bynthytn xtht[ ghjrcb
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[15:11:19] yad8881: *заставить ходить в интернет черех прокси
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[15:12:09] cthulchu: так есть же отдельные софтины, тунеллирующие траф и работающие через соксы
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[15:12:52] cthulchu: точнее - они предназначены для капсуляции трафа и пропуска его через прокси. я как-то случайно находил.
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[15:13:42] yad8881: free cap есть с ее помощью не получилось(( да собственно это не то решение которое нужно
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[15:13:56] xa4a_: есть ssh
[15:14:08] cthulchu: и впн, как бы.
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[15:15:47] yad8881: о впн я не подумал( буду пробовать
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[15:16:34] sevenov: piranha, зацени. В питере -10 ^_^
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[15:18:23] Большой Лис: piranha, а the wall ещё в бессарабском рынке есть оказывается %)
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[15:18:48] piranha: угу :-)
[15:19:07] piranha: но там народу значительно больше
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[15:34:07] wiz: Большой Лис, у nginx-push выяснилась одна неприятная особенность... если два подряд сообщения посылать, то второе пропадёт т.к. клиент в это время переподключаться будет. ну или лыжи не едут...
[15:34:23] Большой Лис: лыжи
[15:34:38] Большой Лис: даже могу сказать в чём прикол
[15:34:41] sevenov: wiz, причем тут nginx?
[15:34:47] sevenov: *nginx-push
[15:34:49] Novak is now .. не хочешь внутривенно, они вотрут наружно
[15:34:57] sevenov: проблема-то на клиенте вроде как.
[15:35:16] Большой Лис: надо оперировать http заголовками If-Modified-Since
[15:35:24] Большой Лис: и тогда ничо не пропадёт
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[15:36:04] Большой Лис: ну да, на клиенте (в жабаскрипте) надо использовать такие заголовки
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[15:36:44] Большой Лис: http://pushmodule.slact.net/js/dumbchat.js
[15:36:48] Большой Лис: оно тута вначале
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[15:37:58] Renji: Думаю, и не знаю как лучше. Хочу портировать текстовую игру в Jabber-бота, а вот как алгоритм построить - хз. Провильно - это будет выглядить как куча процедур?
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[15:38:14] sevenov: Што?
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[15:39:11] Большой Лис: хохо
[15:39:12] Большой Лис: муд на xmpp
[15:39:19] Carmaman: Все есть процедура.
[15:39:26] Carmaman: С процедуры все началось и начало быть. .)
[15:39:37] Carmaman: А объектов нет и не будет, это все иллюзия.
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[15:40:01] sevenov: Carmaman, пройдите, пожалуйста, на процедуры.
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[15:40:06] sevenov: /me достал клизму
[15:40:07] Carmaman: .))
[15:40:16] wiz: Большой Лис, я этот пример и разобрал.
[15:40:17] Renji: бгг)
[15:40:22] Carmaman: clizma()
[15:40:24] wiz: выдернул оттуда Subscriber
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[15:40:50] Renji: Carmaman: Я имел в виду кучу def, просто в tcl это обозвали как процедура
[15:40:51] sevenov: wiz, у тебя новый коннект убивает предыдущий?
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[15:41:11] wiz: он сам закрывается когда ответ приходит
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[15:41:14] wiz: и открывается опять
[15:41:18] wiz: long-polling же
[15:41:22] sevenov: ну все верно.
[15:41:28] sevenov: а в чем проблема-то?
[15:41:44] sevenov: >т.к. клиент в это время переподключаться будет.
[15:41:45] wiz: ну вот в тот момент когда он переоткрывает - теряется
[15:41:54] wiz: т.к. subscribers = 0 у nginx
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[15:42:10] wiz: active subscribers: 0
[15:42:15] wiz: в ответе на пуш
[15:42:28] sevenov: шли каждое сообщение в разном потоке. Можно эмулировать с setTimeout()
[15:42:37] sevenov: ммм
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[15:43:04] sevenov: не подходит.
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[15:43:14] wiz: не, ну можно конечно sleep сделать между отправками, но это не выход
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[15:43:24] wiz: если кто-то ещё отправит сообщение - вышибет всё-равно
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[15:43:54] wiz: я поставил размер очереди 0 в конфиге канала nginx
[15:44:00] sevenov: wiz, нет, это не sleep.
[15:44:11] wiz: иначе дупы лезут, а мне их не хочется вручную фильтровать
[15:44:51] Renji: Так вы скажите, как лучше?
[15:45:38] Большой Лис: Renji, а что будет это твоя куча процедур делать?
[15:45:38] Renji: Квест про Бразилию же
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[15:46:11] wiz: Renji, конечный автомат же
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[15:46:29] Renji: Пользователю будет написано сообщение, и несколько вариантов ответа, в зависимости от ответа, ему будет послано другое сообщение
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[15:47:32] Большой Лис: и что, на все сулчаи ты будешь по процедуре писать?
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[15:47:40] Большой Лис: не охереешьли?
[15:47:52] Renji: Ога :(
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[15:48:05] Renji: Вот я и спрашиваю, как лучше сделать
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[15:48:21] Renji: Да я как представил - охерел
[15:48:32] Большой Лис: нет
[15:48:35] Большой Лис: это тупая затея
[15:48:40] Renji: Там около 1к процедур получится
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[15:49:35] Renji: Ну тексты можно держать в файлике, пронумеровать их, и по требованию - экспортировать
[15:49:46] Большой Лис: piranha, слыхал мысль? mud на xmpp
[15:49:47] Большой Лис: :)
[15:50:00] piranha: оу
[15:50:11] piranha: а нахрена? :))
[15:50:20] Renji: хз
[15:50:29] Renji: круто будет :D
[15:50:45] piranha: Renji: lpmud возьми и брось тот xmpp в топку ;)
[15:50:47] wiz: !google xmpp mud
[15:50:54] piranha: ну или шото еще
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[15:51:09] piranha: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUD_trees#LPMud_family_tree
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[15:52:16] piranha: можешь по крайней мере изучить подход ;)
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[15:52:57] wiz: Большой Лис, походу придётся мне брать xmpp-bosh и еBOSHить на нём 7:
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[15:53:08] wiz: там и пабсаб нормальный и всё что хочешь
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[15:53:30] piranha: !g python mud
[15:53:38] piranha: ну вот к примеру
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[15:54:18] Renji: piranha: пасиб
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[15:55:39] Большой Лис: wiz, а тут читал http://pushmodule.slact.net/protocol.html ? про хедеры
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[15:56:48] wiz: а что там?
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[15:57:35] sevenov: wiz, юзай websockets :)
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[15:58:15] wiz: sevenov, и всем в офисе хромиум поставь, да.
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[15:58:32] sevenov: wiz, ну
[15:58:44] wiz: меня тогда за webbollocks подвесят
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[15:59:49] piranha: http://achaea.com/main.php
[15:59:56] piranha: никто пошпилить не хочет? ;)))
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[16:06:42] wiz: /me в c7i никак не докачается, а тут заново ещё одно начинать...
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[16:37:33] yad8881: подскажите пожалуйста есть запрос proxy.ReverseProxyResource('mai.ru', 80, '') этот запрос нужно отправить на прокси как это правильно сделать
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[16:38:33] yad8881: ProxyClientFactory требует просто адрес
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[16:42:41] yad8881: ?
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[16:43:16] sevenov: !
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[16:47:25] yad8881: про то что есть гугл я уже знаю, просто может кто в крсе...?
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[16:58:20] trurl: мэйлсру и прокси. брутать ящики хочешь? не хорошо это
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[16:59:13] yad8881: я мэйл для примера вбил
[16:59:56] yad8881: мне нужно послушать трафик приложения которая общаеться с гуглом
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[17:00:42] xa4a_: почему ты не заюзаешь снифер?
[17:00:49] yad8881: а инет через прокси, теперь получилась фигня в котрой я не могу раздуплиться...
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[17:01:44] yad8881: ну так проще получить http заголовки и прочее чем разбирать TCP пакеты...
[17:02:20] xa4a_: а что, сниферов, умеющих собирать tcp пакеты не придумали ещё? Оо
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[17:03:50] ts33kr: tcpdump + wireshark = проблема решена.
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[17:05:00] yad8881: ок спасибо попробую, а с вопросом выше или это бред?
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[17:10:35] yad8881: снифить не получиться(( нужно все равно у себя делать прокси
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[17:17:38] jedgar: а какие способы есть, если надо хранить в sqlite в value, список foreign keys? просто хранить их как текст? или созавать на каждый список таблицу?
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[17:18:06] jedgar: и вместо списка ставить эту таблицу
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[17:18:19] jedgar: в смысле ее иня
[17:18:26] jedgar: *м
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[17:26:33] jedgar: а! одну таблицу под списки и номер списка в value
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[17:41:45] Renji: А как очистить консоль? Какой-то дефолтный способ операционки есть
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[17:41:50] Renji: Я забыл команду
[17:42:12] Муркт: какая операционка?
[17:42:22] Renji: вантуз
[17:42:52] ts33kr: clear?
[17:43:08] Renji: о, точно) спс)
[17:43:08] Муркт: если вантуз, то там есть специальная кнопка на бачке
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[17:43:23] Муркт: нажимаешь, и консоль очищается... хм
[17:43:49] Renji: Муркт: не, просто надо через os.system() сделать
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[17:53:42] piranha: http://s.lurkmore.ru/images/0/00/Math_humour.jpg
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[18:38:22] Renji: Точно, сделаю гейм-бота
[18:38:31] Renji: Сейчас блекджек сделаю
[18:38:40] Renji: потом шлюх
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[18:42:57] Carmaman: А потом твой караван пограбят.
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[18:45:23] ts33kr: Твои же шлюхи.
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[18:46:01] ts33kr: Carmaman, Как ваше ничего, ваше преморковианство?
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[18:48:06] Renji: Carmaman: У каждого святого есть прошлое, у каждого грешника -- будущее.
Тоесть у святого нет будующего?
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[18:48:31] Carmaman: ts33kr: Прекрасно. Но морковь больше не растет, зима, -25. Только хурма вот... но хурма тоже прекрасно. ,)
[18:48:50] Carmaman: Renji: Нет. .)
[18:48:55] Муркт: будующее, мля
[18:49:12] Муркт: координальное будующее на лицо
[18:49:50] Renji: да нечайно...
[18:50:08] Муркт: кофейно :)
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[18:51:46] ts33kr: Carmaman, Рад слышать. =)
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[19:03:16] огыешсук: А как в питоне сделать побайтный len(u'тест')?
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[19:04:32] xa4a_: len(u'тест'.encode('utf-8'))
[19:04:49] xa4a_: а огыешсук не знает, что такое юникод
[19:05:12] огыешсук: Или, лучше, как заставить оракловую строчку
PERFORMANCE_DESCRIPTION char(1000)
считать символы а не байты?
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[19:17:23] Renji: не, len(list(string.split(" ")))
[19:17:28] Renji: Или не
[19:17:36] Renji: ладно, забей...
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[20:36:03] огыешсук: я туплю -- напомните как красивее всего проверить есть ли в модуле переменная с именем __version__? Нечто вроде module.get('__version__', None), но чтобы работало
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[21:06:01] jedgar: мож global или дщсфды
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[21:39:20] огыешсук: а это действует по отношению к внешнему модулю?
[21:39:51] огыешсук: мне только try except пока в голову приходит, но это не красиво
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[21:42:52] sevenov: огыешсук, эээ. hasattr(module, '__version__')
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[21:48:57] огыешсук: говорю же, что туплю
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[21:54:15] Renji: что такое "шмурдик"?
[21:54:25] Renji: http://children.kulichki.net/vopros/logika.htm
[21:54:31] Муркт: "шмурдяк"
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[21:55:20] Renji: Муркт: а он боится тараканов?
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[21:55:50] Муркт: про шмурдик я ничего не знаю, а шмурдяк - это такое "название" некоторых алкогольных напитков
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[21:56:44] Муркт: Renji: а! типо жывотное. Там же элементарный тест
[21:57:48] Renji: Муркт: А кого боится? Тараканов или мышей?
[21:57:55] sevenov: ПЕЙТОН
[21:58:02] Муркт: и тараканов, и мышей - там же написано :)
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[21:59:19] Renji: но в b не написано, что он не боится тараканов
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[22:00:54] Муркт: Renji: вот именно
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[22:34:26] Мозгошредер: Какие есть хорошие туториалы/книги по Zope?
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[22:37:24] RaD: djangobook :)
[22:37:54] Мозгошредер: Мне не фо фан
[22:37:59] Мозгошредер: другу в универе
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[22:38:02] Мозгошредер: задание дали :)
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[22:42:55] Муркт: нихерасе универы
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[22:43:11] Мозгошредер: КПИ
[22:43:18] xa4a_: это хде?
[22:43:21] xa4a_: хде в КПИ zope?
[22:43:26] Мозгошредер: короче
[22:43:32] Мозгошредер: инвайтю его сюда
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[22:44:36] Мозгошредер: вот он
[22:44:55] Муркт: хде это в КПИ дают зопу?
[22:45:03] sevenov: Бедный Friedrich
[22:45:12] sevenov: Жопами мучают.
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[22:45:28] Мозгошредер: войс дайте
[22:45:30] Мозгошредер: ему
[22:45:38] Мозгошредер: плз
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[22:48:02] Friedrich: добрый.. ночи, няшки :)
[22:48:06] Муркт: альтер-эго
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[22:48:30] Муркт: xa4a_: это был Хайд? :)
[22:48:38] Friedrich: что вы там на счет КПИ говорили?)
[22:48:45] Муркт: где зопу дают?
[22:48:50] xa4a_: Муркт: это был мой манипулятор)
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[22:49:10] Friedrich: Муркт, в КПИ)
[22:49:16] xa4a_: Friedrich: фак какой, да?
[22:49:19] Муркт: Friedrich: факультет, курс
[22:49:21] Friedrich: ИПСА
[22:49:26] xa4a_: эээ
[22:49:29] xa4a_: фамилия какая?
[22:49:29] Friedrich: шо?
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[22:49:32] xa4a_: препода
[22:49:33] Муркт: препода
[22:49:44] xa4a_: до 5-го курса на ипса доучился, ни разу про зоп не слышал даже
[22:49:47] Friedrich: это не препод
[22:49:49] xa4a_: а
[22:49:51] xa4a_: понял)
[22:49:51] Муркт: даже так
[22:50:02] Friedrich: мы тут портал для ИПСА типа делаем
[22:50:04] xa4a_: это где-то в районе 35-го корпуса?
[22:50:05] Муркт: xa4a_: а что, собирался уже идти говорить, что он извращенец? :)
[22:50:11] Friedrich: точнее я просился туда)
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[22:50:33] Friedrich: xa4a_, 35-тый корпус нет
[22:50:39] Friedrich: не существует*
[22:51:18] xa4a_: как это?
[22:51:22] xa4a_: а, кафедра САПР
[22:51:24] xa4a_: всё ясно)
[22:51:33] Friedrich: Оо
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[22:51:41] Friedrich: от куда ты знаешь? О_О
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[22:52:14] xa4a_: на ММСА о зопе никто точно не знает
[22:52:25] Friedrich: наоборот)
[22:52:30] Friedrich: некоторые знают
[22:53:26] xa4a_: пока порталов ипсы штуки 4 - им пути нет
[22:53:28] xa4a_: ни одному
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[22:54:10] Friedrich: Какая-то госпожа по имени Марина, которая является координатором)
[22:54:16] xa4a_: ха!
[22:54:19] xa4a_: Дидковская
[22:54:34] Муркт: госпожа Марина, рофл
[22:54:34] Friedrich: xa4a_, дядя Згуровский хочет создать другой
[22:54:47] Муркт: Friedrich: пятый?
[22:55:12] Friedrich: железный конечно аргумент у него
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[22:55:18] Friedrich: >>В этом году Михаил Захарович Згуровский - ректор НТУУ <КПИ> и что самое
важное директор УНК <ИПСА>, в котором мы с тобой учимся, на одном из
заседаний высказал очевидное для нас всех утверждение:

«Мы учимся в одном из самых лучших институтов мира (это он так про ИПСА)».

А так как наш институт один из лучших, то и сайт у него тоже должен быть
одним из лучших:>
[22:55:39] xa4a_: а, да. читал эту рассылку
[22:55:46] Friedrich: (c) мегоипсашная пропаганда
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[22:55:57] Мозгошредер: Friedrich, так он _требует_ зопу?
[22:56:10] Friedrich: Мозгошредер, нет, "Марина" хочет Зоп
[22:56:21] xa4a_: я тогда решил, что лучше туда не соваться, душевное здоровье целее будет)
[22:56:38] Typhon: госпожа Марина хочет зопу
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[22:56:54] Friedrich: xa4a_, мне просто обещали что эта штука может послужить курсовухой)
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[22:57:13] xa4a_: гни линию джанги :)
[22:57:15] Муркт: Typhon: скажи, да? :))
[22:57:16] xa4a_: госпожа Марина у меня науч.рук по диплому, кстате
[22:57:34] xa4a_: а ваще в четверг сдаю ей меголабу на джанге)
[22:57:39] Friedrich: xa4a_, а ты где и на каком курсе?
[22:57:43] xa4a_: ммса, 5-й
[22:58:11] Friedrich: Сисанализ или Ителлектуальные системы... или Социальная информатика? :-D
[22:58:32] xa4a_: "системный анали и управление"
[22:58:34] xa4a_: з
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[23:00:48] Friedrich: подскажите док для Зоп на русском
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[23:01:12] xa4a_: !g zope документация
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[23:02:00] Friedrich: и где ты там видишь?
[23:03:40] xa4a_: линк побился, да
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[23:04:24] Friedrich: Zope3 в качестве языка написания приложений использует Python. Разумеется, возможны альтернативы, но, тем не менее, стандартное API требует python. Python - современный объектно-ориентированный язык, качество которого вызывает много споров, на которых не стоит осанавливать внимание.
[23:04:32] Friedrich: какие альтернативы?
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[23:07:40] sevenov: Friedrich, об зопу лучше не мараться.
[23:08:02] Friedrich: я просто листаю)
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[23:08:51] sevenov: Friedrich, побойся за свое сознание.
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