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Accesing Omegle(.com) with Python and mechanize, implementing a Man-in-the-middle-attack and several other things. http://is.gd/5nFpP (www.reddit.com)
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[05:08:36] Imbolc: Привет :)
Почему не получается сделать __getitem__ classmethod-ом?
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[05:09:09] Imbolc: Э... не "почему не получается", а как сделать :)
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[07:12:27] AnViar: Товарищи, подскажите какой лучше библиотекой работать с xml ?
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[07:16:30] AnViar: никто не работает с xml ? :)
[07:16:38] Renji: xmllib?
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[07:18:04] Renji: Официальная джаббер конференция коммунити: pythonua@conference.jabber.ru (всегда 20-35 онлайн участников)
А сейчас 15
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[09:17:29] sevenov: AnViar, http://docs.python.org/tutorial/
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[10:29:51] mishok13: биаликс продолжает рассказывать о недостатках базара как о его достоинствах
[10:29:57] mishok13: http://bzr-day.blogspot.com/2009/12/bzr_13.html
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Вопрос цены?
[11:28:33] xa4a_: http://www.developers.org.ua/forum/topic/1311
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[11:34:52] Che Guevara: xa4a_: Всем драсте. Я от гугла) необходим совет по facedetect из OpenCV. Кто-нибудь имел дело с этой библиотекой?
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[11:51:23] ts33kr: Пилится. Что тебя конкретно интересует?
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[11:59:44] sevenov: ts33kr, своя какая-то реализация или что-то юзается левое? Telepathy, например.
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[13:15:16] feedbot: urllib3: HTTP library with thread-safe connection pooling and file post support http://is.gd/5on4s (www.reddit.com)
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[13:23:09] mishok13: дрочь, судя по коду
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[13:39:44] огыешсук: feedbot: про какое ещё отсутствие POSTа они там пишут? А что делает urllib2.Request(url, post)?
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[13:43:04] Mak-Di: Всме привет!
Подскажите, плиз, альтернативу for var in range(1,10): тока для символов a-z ?
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[13:44:25] cutwater: модуль string смотри
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[13:44:47] Mak-Di: ok
[13:44:56] cutwater: ну как бы это только для a-z
[13:45:09] cutwater: а если для произвольных....
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[13:45:17] Mak-Di: мне алфавит
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[13:45:51] cutwater: for letter in string.ascii_lowercase
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[13:46:32] Mak-Di: спасибо большое!
[13:46:46] Mak-Di: то что нужно
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[13:47:40] sevenov: silent_bob, string.letters
[13:47:42] sevenov: Mak-Di,
[13:47:57] sevenov: а, бля. Как всегда, не дочитал :)
[13:48:10] Mak-Di: :)
[13:48:32] nmk: огыешсук: urllib не умеет файлы посылать
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[13:51:20] sevenov: nmk, ну можно научить, хотя и изъебно.
[13:51:41] nmk: кто ж спорит, что можно :)
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[14:15:09] feedbot: Vurtseed — Выступление на GTUG встрече в Киеве http://is.gd/5opYw (xenru.livejournal.com)
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[15:01:39] AnViar: Подскажите синтаксис импорта модуля, который находится в текущей директории (к примеру plugin), а не в стандартной
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[15:05:50] Typhon: import plugin
[15:06:08] ts33kr: AnViar, http://docs.python.org/tutorial/
[15:07:26] AnViar: я спрашивал sys.path.append . У вас в головах кроме понтов есть что-то ?
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[15:08:42] ts33kr: А у тебя? Так трудно прочесть туториал с начала и до конца?
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[15:08:52] cutwater: алсо __import__
[15:08:59] cutwater: sys.path.append не нужно
[15:09:03] ts33kr: http://docs.python.org/tutorial/modules.html#the-module-search-path
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[15:09:32] AnViar: cutwater: можешь показать пример кода?
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[15:09:41] sevenov: AnViar, пиздец.
[15:09:48] AnViar: ts33kr: читал это, но не понял без примеров
[15:09:51] cutwater: sevenov, это была моя фраза
[15:09:54] cutwater: AnViar, ты идиот
[15:10:07] ts33kr: AnViar, В таком случае -- это у тебя в голове ничего, кроме понтов...
[15:10:16] ts33kr: Так что в следующий раз -- ты думай, прежде чем открывать рот.
[15:10:20] sevenov: >[04:06:08 PM] AnViar: я спрашивал sys.path.append . У вас в головах кроме понтов есть что-то ?
У тебя в голове есть что нибудь? Хотя бы понты.
[15:10:27] sevenov: ts33kr, опередил.
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[15:11:45] AnViar: я на этом канале еще ни разу не получил ответа на вопрос
[15:11:55] cutwater: ты УЖЕ получил ответ на вопрос
[15:12:07] AnViar: cutwater: )))) +1
[15:12:11] cutwater: а теперь ведешь себя как лузер
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[15:13:57] AnViar: показать пример кода присутствующие считают чем-то зазорным?
[15:14:26] cutwater: AnViar, неспособность понять документацию и НАЙТИ пример кода по ключевому слову в google признак критической ошибки в ДНК
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[15:15:53] AnViar: cutwater: самоутверждаешься? ))))
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[15:16:10] cutwater: поясняю для особо одаренных
[15:16:17] ts33kr: Констатирует факты.
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[15:19:41] AnViar: есть еще кто живой?
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[15:21:02] sevenov: AnViar, ты - хуй.
[15:21:36] AnViar: sevenov: фантазёр
[15:22:04] sevenov: AnViar, да кагбэ нет. Если нет мозга, значит хуй, чо.
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[15:23:54] AnViar: не. мозгов нет только у тролей :) да и хуя нет. потому и тролят из-за ощущения собственной никчемности и ненужности
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[15:28:53] cutwater: AnViar, да ты видимо еще не осилил сетевой этикет. и не читал как правильно задавать вопросы
[15:29:15] AnViar: cutwater: ошибаешься. глубоко.
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[15:33:02] cutwater: ладно. жаль мне тебя.
[15:33:13] cutwater: __import__ в гугл забить религия не позволяет
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[15:34:09] cutwater: "python plugin" видно тоже
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[15:37:26] AnViar: cutwater: да все я уже сделал :) только вот так http://www.johnny-lin.com/cdat_tips/tips_pylang/path.html
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[15:38:12] cutwater: только в случае с плагинами когда тебе их имена не известны заранее этого будет мало
[15:38:13] AnViar: типа такого ответа и расчитывал получить на этом канале, но народ к сожалению шевелится только на оскорбления :/
[15:38:43] AnViar: cutwater: ну в данном случае имя мне известно, потому решение работает
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[15:39:53] cutwater: AnViar, не всегда желаемое совпадает с действительным. пора снимать розовые очки.
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[15:41:02] AnViar: cutwater: ну это да. уже не первый день сижу на канале, но все еще расчитываю услышать адекватные ответы без мата от специалистов :)
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[15:42:34] AnViar: вот даже если взять найденное мной решение - ты говоришь, что оно не оптимально. без тебя я об этом не узнал бы. тот же гугл мне об этом не сразу поведает, разве что только когда я столкнусь с проблемами. потому и и ищу ответов от живых людей
[15:42:52] cutwater: AnViar, оно не то чтобы не оптимально
[15:43:00] cutwater: просто в твоей фразе прозвучало слово плагин
[15:43:09] unk2k: Уттро всем!
Вопрос:
Имею 3 таблицы (Марки, Группы моделей, Модели)
ссылки - (Модели на Группы моделей (ForeignKey), Группы моделей на Марки (ForeignKey))
Необходимо вывести дерево Марки, Группы моделей, Модели
Если делать через _set то получается 1002 запроса в БД
select_related() не работает в моем случае (только если делать от обратного)
Сделал вот так http://dumpz.org/15231/, но в таком случае конечно же запросов стало всего два, но время исполнения этого кода 1200мс.
Что делать? как быть ?
[15:43:14] cutwater: ох налетел
[15:43:31] AnViar: cutwater: ну да. не правильно сказал - модуль надо воткнуть
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[15:47:04] ts33kr: unk2k, Почему select_related() не работает в твоем случае?
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[15:47:57] unk2k: ts33kr он не работает в режиме backward
[15:48:08] unk2k: http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers/browse_thread/thread/1e1fcee95759c370
[15:48:52] ts33kr: А, т.е. вытягиваешь ты изначально не модели?
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[15:57:56] unk2k: ts33kr что значит 'вытягиваешь ты изначально не модели' ?
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[15:58:47] ts33kr: select_related() ты на чем изначально вызываешь, что он у тебя не работает?
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[15:58:56] ts33kr: Судя по твоему описанию отношений -- должен работать.
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[15:59:47] ts33kr:
Где там обратное разрешение-то?
Модель -> Группы моделей -> Марки
[16:00:04] ts33kr: Если ты делаешь Models.objects.select_related() -- все должно работаеть.
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[16:08:50] unk2k: ts33kr => """ Необходимо вывести дерево Марки, Группы моделей, Модели """
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[16:10:12] ts33kr: А, ну в таком случае -- да.
[16:10:31] unk2k: класс :)
[16:10:36] unk2k: есть идеи ?
[16:11:23] unk2k: cutwater, mishok13, slav0nic, gigimon, sevenov любые идеи господа.
[16:11:37] mishok13: /me джангу не знает и слава богу
[16:11:41] cutwater: unk2k, не задалбывай же ну
[16:12:03] slav0nic: я мозг к тренировке готовлю - отключил
[16:12:08] sevenov: unk2k, пиши sql, чо.
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[16:12:40] slav0nic: а ваще агент те ответил, select_related
[16:12:52] slav0nic: только явно поля задай
[16:13:02] unk2k: select_related не будет тут работать
[16:13:28] slav0nic: кто сказал?)
[16:13:34] unk2k: Если от Модели до Марки - будет, если от Марки до Модели - нет
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[16:44:13] gigimon: как вам название книги: Как пасти котов. Наставление для программистов, руководящих другими программистами
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[16:50:56] unk2k: gigimon ты пишешь ?
[16:51:08] gigimon: если б ) в магазине увидел
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[16:56:10] unk2k: во блин
[16:56:24] unk2k: джанга нагибается если ей дать 5000 записей из базы
[16:56:26] unk2k: ппц
[16:57:33] slav0nic: вот гавно, какже все джангисты с этим живут(
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[16:57:52] unk2k: не ну релально :) это же кошмар
[16:58:06] xa4a_: ты что-то делаешь не так
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[16:58:14] slav0nic: во-во)
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[16:59:21] unk2k: в базе 1700 записей, если сделать q.objects.all() - 980ms; q.objects.all().select_related() - 1580ms
[16:59:34] unk2k: ну и как тут можно сайт какой то делать ? (сайт, не портал)
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[16:59:47] cutwater: :D
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[17:00:03] slav0nic: unk2k, select_related может и всю базу стянуть ненароком
[17:00:22] unk2k: ну ты понимаешь что я указываю глубину и ключи.
[17:00:28] unk2k: что бы много буков небыло туто\
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[17:01:48] slav0nic: и часто ты делаешь выборки на сайте с 5к записей ?)
[17:02:22] unk2k: генерация каталога
[17:02:33] cutwater: че че?
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[17:02:40] unk2k: да же не каталога, а меню для каталога :)
[17:02:52] slav0nic: про кеш слыхал?)
[17:03:01] unk2k: да какой *пардон* кэшь ?
[17:03:14] unk2k: генерация страници на PHP у меня была максимум 130мс
[17:03:23] unk2k: это хорошего сайта
[17:03:30] slav0nic: ну так рнр тру
[17:03:32] unk2k: тут ниже 180 я не могу опустить
[17:03:36] slav0nic: не парься раз быстрее))
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[17:03:55] slav0nic: +50мс на орме и без него это доуя?)
[17:04:03] ts33kr: unk2k, Пиши запросы на plain sql и будет тебе счастье.
[17:04:05] unk2k: +50 ????
[17:04:19] unk2k: ts33kr уже думал, но это не гуд идея
[17:04:30] slav0nic: 180 - 130 = 50 не?
[17:04:34] slav0nic: unk2k, орм тянет все поля
[17:04:39] unk2k: slav0nic
Model.objects.all() - 1500мс
#Model.objects.all() - 200мс
[17:04:40] slav0nic: попробуй задать конкретные
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[17:04:52] xa4a_: unk2k: это ты в консоль пишешь?
[17:05:01] ts33kr: В таком случае -- не стоит _хуй_ (php + plain sql) сравнивать с _пальцем_ (django orm)
[17:05:03] unk2k: почти
[17:05:27] unk2k: ts33kr ?
[17:05:48] ts33kr: [17:03:21] unk2k: генерация страници на PHP у меня была максимум 130мс
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[17:05:58] ts33kr: Или ты хочешь сказать, что это было с orm?
[17:06:44] unk2k: ts33kr slav0nic "180 - 130 = 50 не?" Верно, только 180 без всех модулей, а 130 со всеми модулями
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[17:08:52] ts33kr: unk2k, В php ты как с базой работал?
[17:09:14] unk2k: ts33kr не помню
[17:09:18] slav0nic: )
[17:09:21] ts33kr: Не заливай бля...
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[17:09:24] ts33kr: Не помнит он.
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[17:09:58] slav0nic: /me вспоминает старого "доброго" red-agent'a :D
[17:10:23] unk2k: slav0nic этот и есть он ?
[17:10:30] ts33kr: Нет.
[17:10:38] ts33kr: Это slav0nic распизделся слишком...
[17:10:41] slav0nic: ))
[17:10:51] slav0nic: просто похож
[17:10:57] ts33kr: Угу.
[17:11:13] unk2k: slav0nic а то я смотрю *пардон* много :)
[17:11:34] slav0nic: да ты и меня ща до пардонов доведёшь))
[17:11:41] unk2k: ts33kr ты вместо того что бы про ссаны пиэйчпи спрашивать, лучше бы идею дал
[17:11:58] sevenov: >[06:01:53 PM] unk2k: генерация страници на PHP у меня была максимум 130мс
Долго.
[17:12:00] ts33kr: unk2k, Ну схему нормализируй блин.
[17:12:03] xa4a_: тебе дали идею выше
[17:12:14] unk2k: ts33kr куда уж нормальнее ?
[17:12:23] unk2k: xa4a_ йа ослеп, покажите мне
[17:12:31] sevenov: unk2k,
[05:10:47 PM] sevenov: unk2k, пиши sql, чо.
[17:12:36] slav0nic: unk2k, нормализация, оптимизация запросов через задания полей (тебе же не все нужны), индексы и тп, кеш
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[17:12:46] slav0nic: или выкинь орм и raw sql
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[17:12:58] xa4a_: (17:02:51) slav0nic: про кеш слыхал?)
[17:13:02] unk2k: какие то у вас идеи *пардон*
[17:13:14] xa4a_: а какие ты ожидал?:
[17:13:17] unk2k: пойду ка йа к сторону sqlalch копать\
[17:13:21] unk2k: ну как как.
[17:13:22] xa4a_: вписать в сеттинги опцию SUCK='less' ?
[17:13:29] slav0nic: ))
[17:13:29] unk2k: я ожидал чито мне тут решение напишут\
[17:13:34] unk2k: тут все так ожидают
[17:13:38] slav0nic: TURBO_MODE = 'ON'
[17:13:39] xa4a_: тебе написали решение
[17:13:40] unk2k: ну или как минимум мечтают
[17:13:57] slav0nic: unk2k, какое из решений тебе не понятно?
[17:14:16] unk2k: да убогие решения, это не решения. я сам до них додумался.
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[17:14:29] unk2k: могли бы предложить sqlalch или что то подоюне
[17:14:32] slav0nic: если у тебя эта хрень меняется 1 раз в неделю, то плюй в кеш
[17:14:36] xa4a_: это не поможет же
[17:14:40] slav0nic: ыыы
[17:14:42] xa4a_: только больше тормозить будет
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[17:14:46] slav0nic: ок, предлогаем pylons + sqla
[17:14:56] slav0nic: иди переписуй)
[17:14:59] sevenov: unk2k, меняй схему.
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[17:15:07] slav0nic: если не поможет, то на wsgi + dbapi
[17:15:11] unk2k: sevenov чего ? жизни ?
[17:15:19] sevenov: unk2k, базы.
[17:15:23] unk2k: slav0nic вот это уже идея!
[17:15:28] unk2k: sevenov с ней все вере гуд
[17:15:30] slav0nic: %)
[17:15:58] sevenov: unk2k, если она не соответствует твоим хотелкам, значит не "вере гуд".
[17:16:04] xa4a_: unk2k: если тебе на каждый запрос ндао по 1к+ записей вынимать, то не вери гуд
[17:16:11] slav0nic: мне вот интересно, ты все 5к записей категорий на 1 странцие выводишь?) не жирно будет?)
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[17:16:52] unk2k: sevenov если юзать raw sql то как раз и соответствует
б) да же люди не из России меня поддрежали
[17:17:01] slav0nic: фига се
[17:17:07] unk2k: slav0nic яж говорю, у меня меню =)
[17:17:10] slav0nic: говорят за Россией земля богов джанги)
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[17:17:55] unk2k: slav0nic там аццкаясотона живет еще
[17:17:58] unk2k: лады
[17:18:02] unk2k: спасибо ребят!
[17:18:14] slav0nic: давай
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[17:18:15] slav0nic: жертва рнр
[17:18:19] unk2k: нехера не помогли! но спасибо за время! я очень вам благодарен
[17:18:25] unk2k: честно
[17:18:25] xa4a_: о, забыли сказать, что неправильный алгоритм генерации менюшки
[17:18:27] slav0nic: лол
[17:18:32] sevenov: unk2k, твоя схема моделей говно, потому что:
а) почти не реализуется
б) если и реализуется, то с raw sql.
в) ты - хуй.
[17:18:44] unk2k: )))))
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[17:18:52] slav0nic: unk2k, тебе дали все возможные варианты решения задачи, других не жди
[17:18:56] slav0nic: не тут, ни там
[17:19:10] slav0nic: тут узкое место - ты, а не джанга, орм и тп
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[17:19:22] unk2k: sevenov страшно представить кто же тогда ты ?
[17:19:25] sevenov: блядь, ну что за день? Уже второй жалуется что он такой хороший и умный, а все остальные - говно и не помогают.
[17:19:36] sevenov: unk2k, внезапно: человек.
[17:19:45] slav0nic: unk2k, и открой для себя mptt, treebeard для хранения древовидных структур
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[17:19:56] unk2k: sevenov да ты мудило -) сидишь и вечно выебываешся на нубов.
[17:20:02] unk2k: slav0nic это не то
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[17:20:08] slav0nic: ёпт
[17:20:12] slav0nic: я думал дял меню самое то
[17:20:14] slav0nic: ну ладно
[17:20:17] unk2k: slav0nic для дерева можно, но не для каталога моего типа.
[17:20:20] sevenov: unk2k, читни об элементарных алгоритмах.
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[17:20:45] sevenov: хм, не элементарные, конечно же. Но все же.
[17:21:10] unk2k: sevenov долго думал ? мне то чего читать ? вопросы мои прочти и подумай стоит ли писать. люди сами знают куда им идти и что им читать.
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[17:21:37] unk2k: sevenov не строй из себя бога, ты такой же как и все :)
[17:21:43] unk2k: sevenov и я такой же как и все.
[17:21:59] sevenov: unk2k, нет, ты не такой как все.
[17:22:08] xa4a_: /me уже не знает, дождётся ли алгоритма, для которого нужно на каждом запросе выбирать все записи, чтобы можно было сказать, что говно, или так просто сказать
[17:22:09] unk2k: sevenov не тебе судить меня
[17:22:13] slav0nic: да харэ уже, не пятницу)
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[17:22:29] unk2k: sevenov хочешь судить, суди себя.
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[17:22:40] slav0nic: unk2k, приходи завтра со своим мега решением сией задачи, которую до тебя ещё нкито не решал)
[17:22:55] unk2k: sevenov а так в Москву когда приезжаешь, вместо бабы едь на встречу конфы и там высказывай все свои чувства
[17:23:25] sevenov: unk2k, нахуй ты мне нужен? Я лучше к подруге поеду, там иинтереснее.
[17:23:26] unk2k: slav0nic да хочется сделать красиво просто -)
[17:23:27] xa4a_: встреча конфы в москве? бабы?
[17:23:30] xa4a_: куда я попал?
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[17:23:50] slav0nic: unk2k, все решения которые тебе подскали - в меру красивые и стандартные каг-бэ
[17:24:01] slav0nic: xa4a_, сам в шоке
[17:24:11] slav0nic: тут хохлы все
[17:24:13] unk2k: sevenov ты такой мудак -)))
[17:24:13] slav0nic: почти)
[17:24:15] unk2k: все я занят
[17:24:19] unk2k: я не успокоюсь
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[17:24:24] unk2k: не пиши мне ! -)
[17:24:27] xa4a_: (17:24:15) unk2k: все я занят (17:24:18) unk2k: я не успокоюсь
[17:24:38] xa4a_: эти две фразы противоречат одна другой, да
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[17:24:51] sevenov: unk2k, аргументы?
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[17:25:00] unk2k: не пиши мне больше!
[17:25:13] sevenov: unk2k, почему?
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[17:25:21] slav0nic: чуваки давайте в приват там
[17:25:26] slav0nic: и так башка болит
[17:25:34] sevenov: unk2k, с твоей стороны ничего, кроме бурления говн.
[17:25:34] unk2k: и из жабера пошел нах
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[17:25:45] unk2k: ты первый начал
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[17:25:55] xa4a_: порой кажется, что unk2k тоньше, sevenov'a.
[17:26:03] mishok13: детский сад
[17:26:03] xa4a_: *В этом вашем интернете хрен поймешь, кто прикалывается, а кто реально дебил.*
[17:26:06] sevenov: xa4a_, я же жирный.
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[17:26:11] slav0nic: война троллей)
[17:26:11] ts33kr: Хватит. Заебали оба.
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[17:26:32] sevenov: >Contact "unk2k@jabber.ru" removed subscription from you
:D
[17:26:47] sevenov: /me ушел дальше смореть кино.
[17:26:50] slav0nic: ))как дети малые
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[17:27:47] Муркт: опача, tweet.im воскрес
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[17:30:18] sevenov: Муркт, странно, он у меня работал.
[17:30:35] Муркт: а у меня дней пять не подавал признаков жизни :) а сейчас опять подал
[17:30:59] sevenov: вот только он бесполезен. Шлет только что кто-то зафоловил/расфоловил меня )
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[17:32:56] mishok13: sevenov, а апдейты?
[17:33:05] sevenov: mishok13, не шлет.
[17:33:29] mishok13: я везучий, видимо
[17:33:34] mishok13: у меня нормально работает :)
[17:34:14] sevenov: Видимо.
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[17:35:24] Муркт: мне апдейтов поприсылал
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[17:43:14] nmk: " встреча конфы в москве? бабы?"
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[17:43:43] nmk: э. "встреча конфы в москве? бабы?" ? :)
[17:44:35] nmk: ох. ни баб, ни встреч.
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[17:47:23] xa4a_: у меня тоже шлёт и твиты и кто фоловит. с слал
[17:47:27] nmk: unk2k: что за встреча конфы? :)
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[17:49:27] nmk: а бля. меня все игнорируют
[17:49:36] mishok13: :)
[17:49:37] unk2k: тебе бабы ?
[17:49:41] unk2k: или встреча ?
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[17:49:54] xa4a_: мне москвы бы
[17:50:04] nmk: хочу бабу на встрече в маськве
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[17:50:26] nmk: ну а вообще, что за встреча?
[17:50:27] nmk: что за баба?
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[17:53:14] mishok13: да нету никакой встречи
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[17:53:17] mishok13: и баб нету
[17:53:23] sevenov: nmk, мы с питерским сегментом django@ ездили в ДС на концерт Carcass. Когда приехали, я пошел к подруге, а все типа на встречу конфы.
[17:53:25] sevenov: как-то так.
[17:53:30] mishok13: унк2к нафантазировал что-то
[17:53:41] sevenov: mishok13, если только меня.
[17:53:53] nmk: бля. надо в django@ сходить. а то может вы там и водку пьете без меня
[17:54:28] sevenov: nmk, в javascript@ сходи, там вообще bdsm.
[17:54:41] nmk: ну зачем мне bdsm
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[17:55:03] sevenov: Ну как зачем? Водочки, бдсмчика. Шикарная жизнь.
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[17:55:25] nmk: ну, у каждого свои фантазии о шикарной жизни :)
[17:55:45] sevenov: дык.
[17:56:32] nmk: а большой этот сегмент, питерский то?
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[18:03:43] sevenov: nmk, 3-4 человека.
[18:03:52] sevenov: там всего 6-7 человек :D
[18:04:02] nmk: ну епт. 50% значит. это нормально :)
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[18:14:29] nmk: 31 декабря 2009 года и 1 января 2010 года SIPNET открывает для бесплатных звонков все направления России, включая российские мобильные телефоны!
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[18:14:35] nmk: это я зацитировал
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[18:15:05] xa4a_: это такой скайп?
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[18:15:15] nmk: ну не. это сип
[18:15:21] nmk: т.е. не p2p :)
[18:15:28] nmk: только они еще хотят что бы 5$ на счету было
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[19:03:30] kwis: ребята, добрый вечер, скажите пожалуйста как можно связать джанго с firebird, нет никаких костылей?
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[19:17:39] sevenov: kwis, есть бэкенд django-firebird
[19:17:58] sevenov: Ага. http://code.google.com/p/django-firebird/
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[20:11:45] whexp.inbox: даров всем
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[20:12:36] whexp.inbox: что-то я не пойму как в poplib по pop3 загрузить тело письма (например, только в text/plain) - парсить вручную или есть что-то более удобное?
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[20:42:14] whexp.inbox: Кто может, плз
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[20:49:14] ts33kr: whexp.inbox, import email
[20:50:42] whexp.inbox: ну я в принципе разобарлся. делаю email message через message_from_string, а затем проверяю через get_content_type нужный мне тип.
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[21:22:23] whexp.inbox: а почему 'ПРИВЕТ'.lower() и 'Привет'.lower() дает разный результат?
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[21:32:38] denz is now xa
[21:33:10] denz is now online
[21:33:27] GrimbleGromble is now xa
[21:34:15] erraen is now online
[21:35:57] XIT is now dnd
[21:37:13] ts33kr is now xa
[21:38:02] Ляпатяпа is now offline
[21:39:15] erraen is now online
[21:39:19] lievil is now away
[21:40:45] lievil is now online
[21:40:57] XIT is now dnd
[21:42:13] ts33kr is now xa
[21:43:14] mishok13 is now offline
[21:43:15] mishok13 is now xa
[21:43:20] mishok13 is now offline
[21:43:32] mishok13 is now xa
[21:44:15] erraen is now online
[21:44:20] ts33kr is now online
[21:44:21] ts33kr is now online
[21:45:57] XIT is now dnd
[21:46:04] ts33kr is now xa
[21:46:05] ts33kr is now xa
[21:46:07] GrimbleGromble is now online
[21:47:13] ts33kr is now xa
[21:47:35] Typhon is now online
[21:49:16] erraen is now online
[21:50:57] XIT is now dnd
[21:52:14] ts33kr is now xa
[21:52:34] maxp is now away
[21:54:16] erraen is now online
[21:55:27] GrimbleGromble is now away
[21:55:57] XIT is now dnd
[21:56:17] gigimon is now offline
[21:56:18] gigimon is now online
[21:56:19] gigimon is now online
[21:57:14] ts33kr is now xa
[21:59:16] erraen is now online
[22:00:58] XIT is now dnd
[22:01:30] trurl is now offline
[22:02:14] ts33kr is now xa
[22:02:34] denz is now away
[22:03:17] trurl is now online
[22:04:17] erraen is now online
[22:05:14] denz is now online
[22:05:28] GrimbleGromble is now xa
[22:05:59] XIT is now dnd
[22:07:15] ts33kr is now xa
[22:09:18] erraen is now online
[22:10:28] GrimbleGromble is now online
[22:11:00] XIT is now dnd
[22:12:15] ts33kr is now xa
[22:14:19] erraen is now online
[22:15:28] GrimbleGromble is now away
[22:16:00] XIT is now dnd
[22:17:15] ts33kr is now xa
[22:19:19] erraen is now online
[22:21:01] XIT is now dnd
[22:22:08] GrimbleGromble is now online
[22:22:16] ts33kr is now xa
[22:24:20] erraen is now online
[22:25:25] denz is now away
[22:25:53] kwis is now away
[22:26:01] XIT is now dnd
[22:27:16] ts33kr is now xa
[22:28:44] denz is now online
[22:29:20] erraen is now online
[22:30:40] piranha is now offline
[22:30:59] mishok13 is now offline
[22:31:00] mishok13 is now xa
[22:31:02] XIT is now dnd
[22:31:29] mishok13 is now offline
[22:31:31] piranha is now Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication
[22:31:40] mishok13 is now xa
[22:32:17] ts33kr is now xa
[22:32:38] GrimbleGromble is now away
[22:34:21] erraen is now online
[22:36:02] XIT is now dnd
[22:36:24] maxp is now offline
[22:37:18] ts33kr is now xa
[22:38:44] PC is now xa
[22:39:21] erraen is now online
[22:39:22] denz is now away
[22:41:02] XIT is now dnd
[22:41:04] piranha is now offline
[22:41:13] mishok13 is now offline
[22:41:51] piranha is now Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication
[22:42:19] ts33kr is now xa
[22:42:39] GrimbleGromble is now xa
[22:43:16] mishok13 is now xa
[22:44:21] erraen is now online
[22:45:40] denz is now online
[22:46:02] XIT is now dnd
[22:46:29] GrimbleGromble is now online
[22:47:19] ts33kr is now xa
[22:49:22] erraen is now online
[22:50:26] pr0ks is now away
[22:51:02] XIT is now dnd
[22:51:39] GrimbleGromble is now away
[22:52:20] ts33kr is now xa
[22:54:22] erraen is now online
[22:56:02] XIT is now dnd
[22:57:19] GrimbleGromble is now online
[22:57:20] ts33kr is now xa
[22:57:26] cutwater is now offline
[22:57:40] XIT is now dnd
[22:57:41] XIT is now dnd
[22:58:32] kwis is now кодю
[22:59:23] erraen is now online
[22:59:51] trurl is now offline
[23:01:02] XIT is now dnd
[23:01:28] pr0ks is now online
[23:02:21] ts33kr is now xa
[23:02:29] GrimbleGromble is now away
[23:04:24] erraen is now online
[23:04:50] огыешсук is now offline
[23:04:51] огыешсук is now away
[23:06:02] XIT is now dnd
[23:07:10] огыешсук is now offline
[23:07:21] ts33kr is now xa
[23:07:42] огыешсук is now away
[23:09:24] erraen is now online
[23:11:03] XIT is now dnd
[23:11:06] Муркт is now offline
[23:12:22] ts33kr is now xa
[23:12:29] GrimbleGromble is now xa
[23:14:24] erraen is now online
[23:16:04] XIT is now dnd
[23:17:22] ts33kr is now xa
[23:17:25] огыешсук is now offline
[23:17:29] GrimbleGromble is now online
[23:17:58] огыешсук is now away
[23:19:25] erraen is now online
[23:20:21] piranha is now offline
[23:20:43] pzskc383 is now online
[23:21:04] XIT is now dnd
[23:21:35] piranha is now Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication
[23:22:23] ts33kr is now xa
[23:22:59] GrimbleGromble is now away
[23:24:25] erraen is now online
[23:26:04] XIT is now dnd
[23:27:23] ts33kr is now xa
[23:27:32] kwis is now away
[23:29:26] erraen is now online
[23:29:36] kwis is now кодю
[23:31:04] XIT is now dnd
[23:32:23] ts33kr is now xa
[23:33:00] GrimbleGromble is now xa
[23:33:31] klichuk is now online
[23:34:26] erraen is now online
[23:36:05] XIT is now dnd
[23:37:12] xa4a_ is now online
[23:37:24] ts33kr is now xa
[23:38:00] GrimbleGromble is now online
[23:38:53] PC is now offline
[23:39:26] erraen is now online
[23:41:05] XIT is now dnd
[23:42:24] ts33kr is now xa
[23:43:00] GrimbleGromble is now away
[23:44:27] erraen is now online
[23:44:44] bobry is now online
[23:46:05] XIT is now dnd
[23:47:24] ts33kr is now xa
[23:49:28] erraen is now online
[23:51:05] XIT is now dnd
[23:52:25] ts33kr is now xa
[23:53:00] GrimbleGromble is now xa
[23:54:27] erraen is now online
[23:55:00] xa4a_ is now away
[23:56:05] XIT is now dnd
[23:56:40] GrimbleGromble is now online
[23:57:16] xa4a_ is now online
[23:57:26] ts33kr is now xa
[23:59:13] pr0ks is now offline
[23:59:28] erraen is now online