[00:00:50] cybergrind is now away
[00:01:12] gigimon is now offline
[00:01:13] gigimon is now online
[00:01:14] gigimon is now online
[00:03:33] ts33kr is now xa
[00:05:50] cybergrind is now away
[00:05:56] lievil is now online
[00:08:04] Хрюндель is now away
[00:08:34] ts33kr is now xa
[00:10:12] Хрюндель is now online
[00:10:51] cybergrind is now away
[00:13:35] ts33kr is now xa
[00:15:51] cybergrind is now away
[00:16:11] Большой Лис is now online
[00:16:16] Большой Лис is now offline
[00:18:36] ts33kr is now xa
[00:20:51] cybergrind is now away
[00:23:35] ts33kr is now xa
[00:25:51] cybergrind is now away
[00:28:36] ts33kr is now xa
[00:30:52] cybergrind is now away
[00:33:37] ts33kr is now xa
[00:34:43] xa4a_ is now online
[00:35:53] cybergrind is now away
[00:38:04] Хрюндель is now away
[00:38:38] ts33kr is now xa
[00:38:56] Typhon is now online
[00:40:53] cybergrind is now away
[00:43:38] ts33kr is now xa
[00:45:54] cybergrind is now away
[00:48:04] Хрюндель is now xa
[00:48:38] ts33kr is now xa
[00:49:50] xa4a_ is now away
[00:50:56] cybergrind is now away
[00:53:23] xa4a_ is now online
[00:53:38] ts33kr is now xa
[00:55:56] cybergrind is now away
[00:58:39] ts33kr is now xa
[01:00:57] cybergrind is now away
[01:01:57] generatorglukoff is now away
[01:02:07] generatorglukoff is now online
[01:03:40] ts33kr is now xa
[01:05:58] cybergrind is now away
[01:08:41] ts33kr is now xa
[01:10:58] cybergrind is now away
[01:11:10] Хрюндель is now online
[01:11:23] Хрюндель is now offline
[01:13:41] ts33kr is now xa
[01:13:46] xa4a_ is now away
[01:15:58] cybergrind is now away
[01:18:41] ts33kr is now xa
[01:19:29] Optik is now offline
[01:20:58] cybergrind is now away
[01:23:18] generatorglukoff is now away
[01:23:41] ts33kr is now xa
[01:25:59] cybergrind is now away
[01:28:41] ts33kr is now xa
[01:29:14] Typhon is now offline
[01:30:59] cybergrind is now away
[01:33:42] ts33kr is now xa
[01:36:00] cybergrind is now away
[01:38:42] ts33kr is now xa
[01:41:01] cybergrind is now away
[01:43:42] ts33kr is now xa
[01:46:03] cybergrind is now away
[01:48:42] ts33kr is now xa
[01:51:03] cybergrind is now away
[01:53:43] ts33kr is now xa
[01:56:04] cybergrind is now away
[01:58:43] ts33kr is now xa
[02:01:04] cybergrind is now away
[02:03:56] ts33kr is now xa
[02:06:05] cybergrind is now away
[02:08:44] ts33kr is now xa
[02:11:04] cybergrind is now away
[02:13:46] ts33kr is now xa
[02:16:05] cybergrind is now away
[02:18:46] ts33kr is now xa
[02:21:06] cybergrind is now away
[02:23:46] ts33kr is now xa
[02:26:06] cybergrind is now away
[02:28:47] ts33kr is now xa
[02:31:06] cybergrind is now away
[02:33:48] ts33kr is now xa
[02:36:06] cybergrind is now away
[02:38:48] ts33kr is now xa
[02:41:06] cybergrind is now away
[02:43:48] ts33kr is now xa
[02:46:06] cybergrind is now away
[02:48:48] ts33kr is now xa
[02:51:07] cybergrind is now away
[02:53:49] ts33kr is now xa
[02:56:08] cybergrind is now away
[02:58:49] ts33kr is now xa
[03:01:08] cybergrind is now away
[03:03:50] ts33kr is now xa
[03:06:08] cybergrind is now away
[03:08:51] ts33kr is now xa
[03:11:09] cybergrind is now away
[03:13:52] ts33kr is now xa
[03:16:10] cybergrind is now away
[03:18:53] ts33kr is now xa
[03:21:10] cybergrind is now away
[03:23:54] ts33kr is now xa
[03:26:10] cybergrind is now away
[03:28:55] ts33kr is now xa
[03:31:10] cybergrind is now away
[03:33:55] ts33kr is now xa
[03:36:10] cybergrind is now away
[03:38:55] ts33kr is now xa
[03:41:10] cybergrind is now away
[03:43:55] ts33kr is now xa
[03:46:10] cybergrind is now away
[03:48:56] ts33kr is now xa
[03:51:10] cybergrind is now away
[03:53:56] ts33kr is now xa
[03:56:11] cybergrind is now away
[03:58:57] ts33kr is now xa
[03:59:29] harestomper is now away
[03:59:31] harestomper is now away
[04:01:11] cybergrind is now away
[04:02:20] harestomper is now chat
[04:02:21] harestomper is now chat
[04:03:58] ts33kr is now xa
[04:04:13] harestomper is now chat
[04:06:11] cybergrind is now away
[04:08:58] ts33kr is now xa
[04:09:13] harestomper is now chat
[04:09:42] harestomper is now offline
[04:11:10] cybergrind is now away
[04:13:58] ts33kr is now xa
[04:16:11] cybergrind is now away
[04:18:58] ts33kr is now xa
[04:21:11] cybergrind is now away
[04:23:58] ts33kr is now xa
[04:26:12] cybergrind is now away
[04:28:58] ts33kr is now xa
[04:31:13] cybergrind is now away
[04:33:59] ts33kr is now xa
[04:36:12] cybergrind is now away
[04:38:59] ts33kr is now xa
[04:41:13] cybergrind is now away
[04:43:58] ts33kr is now xa
[04:46:13] cybergrind is now away
[04:48:59] ts33kr is now xa
[04:51:14] cybergrind is now away
[04:53:58] ts33kr is now xa
[04:56:14] cybergrind is now away
[04:58:58] ts33kr is now xa
[05:01:14] cybergrind is now away
[05:04:00] ts33kr is now xa
[05:06:15] cybergrind is now away
[05:09:00] ts33kr is now xa
[05:11:15] cybergrind is now away
[05:12:34] лорд Морфий is now online
[05:14:00] ts33kr is now xa
[05:16:14] cybergrind is now away
[05:19:00] ts33kr is now xa
[05:21:14] cybergrind is now away
[05:22:32] лорд Морфий is now away
[05:24:00] ts33kr is now xa
[05:26:14] cybergrind is now away
[05:29:00] ts33kr is now xa
[05:29:50] maxp is now away
[05:31:14] cybergrind is now away
[05:34:01] ts33kr is now xa
[05:36:15] cybergrind is now away
[05:36:36] dicos is now online
[05:39:02] ts33kr is now xa
[05:41:15] cybergrind is now away
[05:42:33] лорд Морфий is now xa
[05:44:02] ts33kr is now xa
[05:46:15] cybergrind is now away
[05:49:02] ts33kr is now xa
[05:51:17] cybergrind is now away
[05:54:01] ts33kr is now xa
[05:56:16] cybergrind is now away
[05:59:01] ts33kr is now xa
[06:01:17] cybergrind is now away
[06:04:01] ts33kr is now xa
[06:06:17] cybergrind is now away
[06:09:02] ts33kr is now xa
[06:11:17] cybergrind is now away
[06:14:02] ts33kr is now xa
[06:16:18] cybergrind is now away
[06:19:03] ts33kr is now xa
[06:21:19] cybergrind is now away
[06:24:04] ts33kr is now xa
[06:26:19] cybergrind is now away
[06:29:03] ts33kr is now xa
[06:31:20] cybergrind is now away
[06:34:03] ts33kr is now xa
[06:34:29] лорд Морфий is now online
[06:36:20] cybergrind is now away
[06:39:04] ts33kr is now xa
[06:41:21] cybergrind is now away
[06:43:45] Typhon is now online
[06:44:04] ts33kr is now xa
[06:46:22] cybergrind is now away
[06:48:41] maxp is now away
[06:49:04] ts33kr is now xa
[06:49:49] pr0ks is now online
[06:51:23] cybergrind is now away
[06:52:20] maxp is now away
[06:54:04] ts33kr is now xa
[06:56:22] cybergrind is now away
[06:59:05] ts33kr is now xa
[07:01:23] cybergrind is now away
[07:04:04] ts33kr is now xa
[07:05:18] Typhon is now offline
[07:06:23] cybergrind is now away
[07:09:04] ts33kr is now xa
[07:11:23] cybergrind is now away
[07:14:05] ts33kr is now xa
[07:16:24] cybergrind is now away
[07:18:54] maxp is now away
[07:19:06] ts33kr is now xa
[07:19:50] lievil is now away
[07:20:22] xa4a_ is now online
[07:20:28] maxp is now offline
[07:21:24] cybergrind is now away
[07:24:06] ts33kr is now xa
[07:26:25] cybergrind is now away
[07:29:06] ts33kr is now xa
[07:29:49] lievil is now xa
[07:31:26] pr0ks is now away
[07:31:27] cybergrind is now away
[07:34:07] ts33kr is now xa
[07:34:25] xa4a_ is now offline
[07:36:26] cybergrind is now away
[07:37:12] лорд Морфий is now away
[07:39:07] ts33kr is now xa
[07:40:00] лорд Морфий is now online
[07:41:27] cybergrind is now away
[07:43:28] pr0ks is now online
[07:44:07] ts33kr is now xa
[07:45:15] denz is now online
[07:46:27] cybergrind is now away
[07:49:08] ts33kr is now xa
[07:51:27] cybergrind is now away
[07:54:09] ts33kr is now xa
[07:56:28] cybergrind is now away
[07:57:57] pr0ks is now away
[07:58:25] pr0ks is now online
[07:59:10] ts33kr is now xa
[07:59:55] Лорд Ляпатяпа is now online
[08:01:28] cybergrind is now away
[08:04:10] ts33kr is now xa
[08:06:29] cybergrind is now away
[08:09:11] ts33kr is now xa
[08:11:30] cybergrind is now away
[08:13:44] denz is now away
[08:14:11] ts33kr is now xa
[08:16:12] denz is now online
[08:16:30] cybergrind is now away
[08:19:12] ts33kr is now xa
[08:21:24] denz is now away
[08:21:31] cybergrind is now away
[08:24:11] ts33kr is now xa
[08:26:20] dicos is now offline
[08:26:31] cybergrind is now away
[08:29:00] denz is now online
[08:29:12] ts33kr is now xa
[08:31:32] cybergrind is now away
[08:34:12] ts33kr is now xa
[08:36:33] cybergrind is now away
[08:39:12] ts33kr is now xa
[08:41:32] cybergrind is now away
[08:44:13] ts33kr is now xa
[08:46:33] cybergrind is now away
[08:46:46] denz is now away
[08:47:40] denz is now online
[08:49:13] ts33kr is now xa
[08:51:34] cybergrind is now away
[08:51:37] trurl is now online
[08:54:13] ts33kr is now xa
[08:56:33] cybergrind is now away
[08:57:57] trurl is now away
[08:59:14] ts33kr is now xa
[08:59:33] trurl is now online
[09:01:33] cybergrind is now away
[09:03:08] лорд Морфий is now away
[09:03:52] denz is now away
[09:04:14] ts33kr is now xa
[09:04:50] generatorglukoff is now online
[09:06:34] cybergrind is now away
[09:08:11] лорд Морфий is now online
[09:09:14] ts33kr is now xa
[09:09:26] denz is now online
[09:10:37] Renji is now online
[09:11:31] cybergrind is now away
[09:11:32] cybergrind is now глупница
[09:11:34] cybergrind is now глупница
[09:14:14] ts33kr is now xa
[09:15:08] cybergrind is now offline
[09:19:14] ts33kr is now xa
[09:20:34] Большой Лис is now online
[09:21:29] Renji is now offline
[09:22:03] mishok13 is now online
[09:22:42] wiz is now online
[09:22:49] generatorglukoff is now away
[09:24:15] ts33kr is now xa
[09:24:38] generatorglukoff is now online
[09:29:16] ts33kr is now xa
[09:29:38] generatorglukoff is now away
[09:30:02] denz is now away
[09:31:31] pr0ks is now away
[09:33:19] lievil is now online
[09:34:16] ts33kr is now xa
[09:35:00] erraen is now online
[09:35:01] erraen is now online
[09:36:35] generatorglukoff is now online
[09:37:25] erraen is now online
[09:38:50] pr0ks is now online
[09:39:16] ts33kr is now xa
[09:40:02] denz is now xa
[09:40:27] denz is now online
[09:42:26] erraen is now online
[09:44:05] generatorglukoff is now away
[09:44:16] ts33kr is now xa
[09:47:09] denz is now away
[09:47:26] erraen is now online
[09:49:17] ts33kr is now xa
[09:49:31] ts33kr is now offline
[09:49:45] ts33kr is now Hibernating...
[09:49:46] ts33kr is now Hibernating...
[09:49:49] ts33kr is now xa
[09:49:52] ts33kr is now xa
[09:52:27] erraen is now online
[09:54:10] ts33kr is now xa
[09:57:09] denz is now xa
[09:57:27] erraen is now online
[09:57:31] cybergrind is now глупница
[09:59:00] cybergrind is now глупница
[09:59:10] ts33kr is now xa
[10:00:32] MAVr is now Да, я тут
[10:02:28] erraen is now online
[10:03:30] cybergrind is now глупница
[10:03:31] cybergrind is now away
[10:04:00] cybergrind is now away
[10:04:01] cybergrind is now глупница
[10:04:11] ts33kr is now xa
[10:07:16] PC is now xa
[10:07:27] лорд Морфий: привет
[10:07:28] erraen is now online
[10:07:37] лорд Морфий: а никто не подскажет, как reversion пользоваться ?
[10:07:42] PC is now offline
[10:08:01] wiz: в мане ж написано
[10:08:07] PC is now xa
[10:08:08] wiz: там по-разному можно
[10:08:13] лорд Морфий: я так понимаю, что при изменении модели, какие-то должны изменения произойти ?
[10:08:17] лорд Морфий: я вот и запутался
[10:09:00] cybergrind is now глупница
[10:09:01] cybergrind is now away
[10:09:10] ts33kr is now xa
[10:09:30] cybergrind is now away
[10:09:31] cybergrind is now глупница
[10:10:05] denz is now online
[10:10:46] лорд Морфий: 1. добавил в apps
2. в админской части сделал reverse.register(модель)
3. не понял, чего дальше делать
[10:11:44] wiz: а зачем добавил то? (=
[10:12:29] erraen is now online
[10:14:00] cybergrind is now глупница
[10:14:11] ts33kr is now xa
[10:14:30] cybergrind is now away
[10:14:31] cybergrind is now away
[10:17:29] erraen is now online
[10:18:12] лорд Морфий: wiz: наверное как-то не так читал :(
[10:18:36] cybergrind is now away
[10:18:37] cybergrind is now глупница
[10:19:00] cybergrind is now глупница
[10:19:11] ts33kr is now xa
[10:20:15] denz is now away
[10:22:29] erraen is now online
[10:22:41] MAVr is now away
[10:22:43] MAVr is now away
[10:23:01] лорд Морфий: щас попробую с нуля
[10:23:06] MAVr is now Да, я тут
[10:23:09] лорд Морфий: явно где-то я накосячил
[10:23:37] cybergrind is now away
[10:23:38] cybergrind is now away
[10:24:00] cybergrind is now away
[10:24:02] лорд Морфий: точно я накосячил ;)
[10:24:07] cybergrind is now away
[10:24:09] cybergrind is now глупница
[10:24:11] ts33kr is now xa
[10:24:27] denz is now online
[10:25:40] лорд Морфий: кстати, а кто чего используется для миграции схем ?? аналог deseb
[10:25:55] wiz: south вроде как правильный
[10:27:06] MAVr is now away
[10:27:29] erraen is now online
[10:27:31] MAVr is now Да, я тут
[10:27:39] лорд Морфий: wiz: щас попробую его, а то что-то deseb не развивается совсем
[10:29:01] cybergrind is now глупница
[10:29:12] ts33kr is now xa
[10:30:01] лорд Морфий: wiz: спасибо :)
[10:32:30] erraen is now online
[10:33:27] cybergrind is now away
[10:33:28] cybergrind is now away
[10:34:00] cybergrind is now away
[10:34:12] ts33kr is now xa
[10:34:54] cybergrind is now глупница
[10:34:55] cybergrind is now глупница
[10:37:30] erraen is now online
[10:39:01] cybergrind is now глупница
[10:39:12] ts33kr is now xa
[10:41:01] MAVr is now away
[10:41:15] Typhon is now online
[10:41:19] Typhon is now online
[10:42:30] erraen is now online
[10:43:01] MAVr is now xa
[10:43:02] MAVr is now xa
[10:44:00] cybergrind is now глупница
[10:44:13] ts33kr is now xa
[10:44:57] lievil is now away
[10:46:31] MAVr is now Да, я тут
[10:47:17] denz is now away
[10:47:30] erraen is now online
[10:49:00] cybergrind is now глупница
[10:49:13] ts33kr is now xa
[10:50:09] denz is now online
[10:51:04] cybergrind is now away
[10:51:05] cybergrind is now away
[10:52:01] cybergrind is now away
[10:52:02] cybergrind is now глупница
[10:52:30] erraen is now online
[10:54:00] cybergrind is now глупница
[10:54:12] ts33kr is now xa
[10:54:57] lievil is now xa
[10:57:31] erraen is now online
[10:59:00] cybergrind is now глупница
[10:59:12] ts33kr is now xa
[11:02:11] denz is now away
[11:02:31] erraen is now online
[11:03:51] nuclearworm is now online
[11:04:00] cybergrind is now глупница
[11:04:12] ts33kr is now xa
[11:07:31] erraen is now online
[11:07:49] cybergrind is now away
[11:07:50] cybergrind is now away
[11:09:00] cybergrind is now away
[11:09:13] ts33kr is now xa
[11:09:16] xa4a_ is now online
[11:09:23] denz is now online
[11:10:04] cybergrind is now away
[11:10:05] cybergrind is now глупница
[11:11:12] лорд Морфий is now away
[11:12:32] erraen is now online
[11:14:00] cybergrind is now глупница
[11:14:13] ts33kr is now xa
[11:14:29] Лорд Ляпатяпа is now away
[11:14:30] Лорд Ляпатяпа is now away
[11:15:06] cybergrind is now away
[11:15:08] cybergrind is now away
[11:15:21] denz is now away
[11:15:48] Большой Лис: asd
[11:17:31] erraen is now online
[11:17:32] Typhon is now away
[11:18:39] cybergrind is now away
[11:18:40] cybergrind is now глупница
[11:19:01] cybergrind is now глупница
[11:19:13] ts33kr is now xa
[11:19:21] wiz: 111010001110101
[11:20:03] denz is now online
[11:21:30] pr0ks is now away
[11:22:31] erraen is now online
[11:23:40] cybergrind is now away
[11:23:41] cybergrind is now away
[11:23:52] cybergrind is now глупница
[11:23:53] cybergrind is now глупница
[11:24:01] cybergrind is now глупница
[11:24:13] ts33kr is now xa
[11:24:42] nuclearworm is now away
[11:27:30] erraen is now online
[11:28:46] MAVr is now away
[11:28:54] cybergrind is now away
[11:28:55] cybergrind is now away
[11:29:00] cybergrind is now away
[11:29:06] MAVr is now Да, я тут
[11:29:13] ts33kr is now xa
[11:31:12] лорд Морфий is now xa
[11:32:31] erraen is now online
[11:33:37] xa4a_ is now offline
[11:33:39] cybergrind is now глупница
[11:33:40] cybergrind is now глупница
[11:34:00] cybergrind is now глупница
[11:34:13] ts33kr is now xa
[11:36:54] xa4a_ is now online
[11:37:03] nuclearworm is now online
[11:37:30] erraen is now online
[11:38:41] cybergrind is now away
[11:38:42] cybergrind is now away
[11:39:00] cybergrind is now away
[11:39:13] ts33kr is now xa
[11:41:30] pr0ks is now xa
[11:42:30] erraen is now online
[11:43:41] cybergrind is now away
[11:43:42] cybergrind is now глупница
[11:43:43] Typhon is now online
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[13:03:15] wonderfulll: может кто линк подкинет на тему как сконфигурировать аутенфикацию на страницу через сертефикаты? (апач+опенссл)
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[13:06:14] wonderfulll is now online
[13:06:23] Большой Лис: wonderfulll, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=site%3Aopennet.ru+apache+ssl+%D0%B0%D0%B2%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8F
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[13:11:07] Большой Лис: wonderfulll, ну как? помогло? ;)
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[13:13:29] wonderfulll is now online
[13:13:29] wonderfulll is now online
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[13:14:18] wonderfulll: да помогло пасиб )
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[13:14:51] wonderfulll: емпфани чё-то глюканул не отсылал сообщения )
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[13:20:59] tilarids: здесь кто-нибудь участвует в топкодере?
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[13:55:20] nukka: http://lurkmore.ru/Python
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[14:01:53] wiz: nukka, у автора статьи явно неправославных размеров butthurt
[14:02:37] erraen is now online
[14:03:16] nukka: wiz батхерт должен быть по какой либо причине. Нелюбовь к языку программирования - странный повод.
[14:03:52] Лорд Ляпатяпа: Именно поэтому в Линуксе большинство говнопрограмм, состоящих из единственной формы и падающих со стек-трейсом, написаны на Питоне.
[14:04:07] cybergrind is now глупница
[14:04:20] ts33kr is now xa
[14:04:54] wiz: что статья, что дискас унылы
[14:05:12] wiz: такое впечатление, что писалось для uncyclopedia
[14:06:10] sevenov: Луркоёбы на моём pythonua@
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[14:07:55] огыешсук: дак перепейшите, кто ж запрещает?
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[14:10:32] wiz: сами написали гавно, пусть сами и переписывают
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[14:11:33] sevenov: можно просто срать на лурк.
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[14:12:26] wiz: ну некоторые статьи там вполне ничего
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[14:15:19] nukka: статья про пхп, кстати, там скорее положительна. по крайней мере по стравнению с питнопом
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[14:15:46] nukka: со статьей о питнопе, если быть конкретней
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[14:38:12] огыешсук: А вот я из этой статьи впервые узнал про import antigravity!
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[14:39:16] огыешсук: Раньше думал, что один емакс такой.
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[14:39:22] tilarids: огыешсук: стыдись
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[14:40:54] огыешсук: /me стыдится
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[14:41:41] tilarids: тут fprog вышел, а у меня 100 постов в гуглоридере непрочитано
[14:41:49] tilarids: блин :(
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[14:43:30] wiz: заходи в трендс и удаляй половину нах
[14:43:34] wiz: а потом половину из оставшегося
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[14:44:47] piranha is now Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication
[14:46:35] wonderfulll is now online
[14:46:51] tilarids: не хочу
[14:46:54] tilarids: мне все интересно
[14:46:56] tilarids: только длинно
[14:47:02] xa4a_: tilarids: а старые fprogи прочитал?
[14:47:05] tilarids: я медленней на английском читаю
[14:47:08] tilarids: xa4a_: да
[14:47:30] tilarids: в принципе, ничего так, хотя встречается лишняя муть
[14:47:33] xa4a_: у меня они ещё висят в табах :\
[14:47:37] tilarids: :)
[14:47:39] erraen is now online
[14:47:53] tilarids: у меня на русском ничего в табах не остается
[14:47:54] piranha: а я читал, воды немало, конечно...
[14:47:56] piranha: но бывают интересные штуки
[14:48:13] xa4a_: воды == абстрактной математики?
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[14:48:22] piranha: и еë, кстати, да
[14:48:24] tilarids: им бы туда редакторов скептически настроенных туда
[14:48:30] piranha: тоже впадло еë читать )
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[14:49:37] xa4a_: piranha: нашёл штаны себе?
[14:49:40] tilarids: тю, там вроде не было сложно-абстрактной математики
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[15:05:22] piranha is now Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication
[15:05:33] piranha: xa4a_: та похоже на то, на этой неделе буду покупать
[15:05:56] lievil is now online
[15:06:26] sevenov: piranha, штаны?
[15:06:35] wonderfulll is now online
[15:07:15] piranha: лыжные
[15:07:40] erraen is now online
[15:07:43] sevenov: Ааа.
[15:07:50] sevenov: А я думал дыру натёр :)
[15:08:05] piranha: )))
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[15:08:50] wiz: функцианальную
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[15:09:28] piranha: :)
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[15:31:24] xa4a_: гхм
[15:31:29] xa4a_: вот есть треды демонические
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[15:32:07] xa4a_: получается, что они пытаются быть убивитыми уже после того, как интерпретатор начал сворачиваться и освобождать переменные?
[15:32:17] xa4a_: тоесть вот демон висит на queue.get()
[15:32:27] xa4a_: если убить основной тред, то убивается и очередь
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[15:32:58] xa4a_: и демон выпадает с иксепшном:Exception in thread Thread-65 (most likely raised during interpreter shutdown):Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python2.6/Queue.py", line 174, in get<type 'exceptions.TypeError'>: 'NoneType' object is not callable
[15:33:17] xa4a_: (пару строк трейсбека вырезал)
[15:33:20] Большой Лис: xa4a_, так а чо, всёравно выключалось :D
[15:33:43] xa4a_: Большой Лис: ну.. то же самое, если главный тред выпадет с иксепшном)
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[15:33:56] xa4a_: и этот главный иксепшн будет потерян в куче мусора
[15:34:08] Большой Лис: ответ 1, не юзай треды :)
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[15:58:24] : xa4a установил(а) тему: Python.SU | Сначала поищи ответ на docs.python.org | Теперь поищи на google.com | За голосом - в приват к модераторам | Код постить в dumpz.org | Правила написания хорошего кода: http://➡.ws/pep8 | Логи: http://➡.ws/pu | Хочешь задать вопрос - просто *задай* его! | Третий тупой вопрос за сутки — на http://throwcatch.me | Ещё рано использовать py3k
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[16:29:29] Большой Лис: http://www.demotivation.ru/w5s6bwf4b2prpic.html
[16:30:03] piranha: про лишний пробел какая-то тупая лажа
[16:30:15] piranha: в скрипте в смысле
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[16:57:30] xa4a_: Аа
[16:57:37] xa4a_: /me бьётся головой об стенку
[16:57:40] xa4a_: In [1]: issubclass(KeyboardInterrupt, Exception)Out[1]: False
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[16:57:50] piranha: BaseException
[16:57:56] piranha: btw, http://paste.in.ua/about/
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[17:00:10] piranha: >>> KeyboardInterrupt.__base__
<type 'exceptions.BaseException'>
>>> isinstance(KeyboardInterrupt, BaseException)
False
>>> issubclass(KeyboardInterrupt, BaseException)
True

[17:00:14] piranha: xa4a_: ^ какая-то лажа
[17:00:20] Большой Лис: piu :D
[17:00:23] Большой Лис: пиу-пиу
[17:00:35] piranha: Большой Лис: я с этого прусь )
[17:00:50] piranha: типа "запуль код" - "ок, пиу-пиу"
[17:01:07] Большой Лис: запиуй
[17:01:09] Большой Лис: тогда :)
[17:01:14] sevenov: piranha, guess_lexer не нравится :)
[17:01:23] piranha: sevenov: в один цикл не буду запихивать )
[17:01:37] piranha: sevenov: мне нравится такое разделение %)
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[17:01:47] sevenov: piranha, да оно короче будет и читабельнее ;)
[17:02:14] sevenov: >lines[0].split()[0][2:]
Это перл головного мозга же, ну ;)
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[17:02:37] piranha: practicality beats purity
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[17:16:55] : xa4a установил(а) тему: Python.SU | Сначала поищи ответ на docs.python.org | Теперь поищи на google.com | За голосом - в приват к модераторам | Код постить в dumpz.org | Правила написания хорошего кода: http://➡.ws/pep8 | Логи: http://➡.ws/pu | Хочешь задать вопрос - просто *задай* его! | Третий тупой вопрос за сутки — на http://throwcatch.me | Ещё рано использовать py3k
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[17:18:03] : xa4a установил(а) тему: Python.SU | Сначала поищи ответ на docs.python.org | Теперь поищи на google.com | За голосом - в приват к модераторам | Код постить в dumpz.org | Правила написания хорошего кода: http://➡.ws/pep8 | Логи: http://➡.ws/pu | Хочешь задать вопрос - просто *задай* его! | Третий тупой вопрос за сутки — на http://throwcatch.me | Ещё рано использовать py3k
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[17:28:48] xa4a: /me тут собрался и таки приделал рюшку боту
[17:28:53] xa4a: http://xa4a.org.ua/rrdtool/conference_population.cgi?trend=pythonua@conference.jabber.ru
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[17:29:21] piranha: xa4a: nice
[17:29:39] mishok13: и чо там должно показываться?
[17:29:40] piranha: еще активность можно
[17:29:47] piranha: mishok13: количество мемберов
[17:29:52] piranha: справа ж написано
[17:29:52] mishok13: а, ок
[17:30:16] mishok13: честно говоря, шрифты бы какие-нибудь помельче, было бы чуть легче
[17:30:18] sevenov: О, новая писькомерка
[17:30:22] mishok13: а то всё в кучу свалилось
[17:30:34] piranha: типа того
[17:31:06] dicos: Как бота зовут?
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[17:31:46] piranha: !g дура, где ты
[17:32:01] tilarids: xa4a: таки ты это уже залил в репо?
[17:32:02] piranha: однако
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[17:33:00] xa4a: http://bitbucket.org/xa4a/xapy/src/tip/processors/rrdtoolStats.py
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[17:35:14] tilarids: оно ж вроде на твоем собственном сервере лежало. Перенёс?
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[18:30:26] nuclearworm: напомните плз как сортировать по величине '1', '2', '22', '32', '3' не по цифрам, а по числовому значению ..?
[18:31:12] piranha: sorted(map(int, values))
[18:31:20] nuclearworm: о, спс
[18:31:24] piranha: map(str, …) если хочешь обратно получить строки
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[19:27:52] sevenov: Есть у кого нибудь громадный кусов иксемеля?
[19:28:25] sevenov: *кусок
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[19:28:42] sevenov: о, xml-консоль
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[19:47:38] maxp: хы
[19:47:44] maxp: документ из опенофиса
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[19:48:23] sevenov: Я с ластфма уже взял )
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[19:58:25] maxp: люди, а кто с какими nosql базами имел дело? поделитесь впечатлениями
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[20:07:15] Лорд Ляпатяпа: maxp: mongodb, rulez
[20:07:27] maxp: да?
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[20:07:32] maxp: интересно
[20:07:34] piranha is now Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication
[20:07:40] maxp: а чем понравилось?
[20:07:42] maxp: что умеет?
[20:08:06] Лорд Ляпатяпа: документы можно хранить, не требует схемы и можно юзать списки и словари
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[20:08:22] piranha: монго разрывает, и редис тоже
[20:08:27] piranha: не могу даже решить, что мне больше нравится :)
[20:08:29] maxp: документ там что из себя представляет?
[20:08:32] piranha: но они для разных вещей
[20:08:38] piranha: maxp: просто словарь представь себе и всë
[20:08:45] maxp: piranha: а в чем разница?
[20:08:45] Лорд Ляпатяпа: пайтоновский словарь
[20:09:02] Лорд Ляпатяпа: внутри - строки, числа, словари, списки
[20:09:06] Лорд Ляпатяпа: датавремя
[20:09:10] maxp: т.е. оно сериализует словарь туда одним куском или как?
[20:09:12] Лорд Ляпатяпа: не нужна орм
[20:09:20] Лорд Ляпатяпа: он не сериализует
[20:09:24] Лорд Ляпатяпа: просто хранит и все
[20:09:32] Лорд Ляпатяпа: формат типа JSON
[20:09:38] piranha: maxp: mongo - она более навороченная, ближе к sql, а redis ближе к железу, так сказать - get/set. Впрочем, есть списки, сеты, сортировка моднячая
[20:09:39] maxp: это и есть сериализует
[20:09:42] piranha: вообще прикольная тема
[20:09:44] maxp: в json только
[20:09:53] piranha: BSON, Binary Serialized Object Notation
[20:10:01] Лорд Ляпатяпа: хе, уболтали
[20:10:02] maxp: piranha: это редис?
[20:10:08] piranha: BSON - mongo
[20:10:13] maxp: ага
[20:10:25] piranha: в общем монго более тяжеловесный такой
[20:10:29] piranha: так сказать артиллерия
[20:10:34] piranha: редис - более быстрый
[20:10:35] maxp: редис, кстати, на БитБакете живет вроде?
[20:10:36] Лорд Ляпатяпа: 20 метров инсталляшка
[20:10:41] piranha: не, на гуглькоде
[20:10:55] piranha: ~100k write'ов в секунду на не сильно клëвом железе
[20:11:12] maxp: спутал, наверно. точно помню, что где-то в закладках есть, там или там :)
[20:11:15] piranha: у редиса 150 килобайт он сам
[20:11:15] Лорд Ляпатяпа: редис памяти оперативной больше хавает?
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[20:11:26] ts33kr is now xa
[20:11:29] piranha: у редиса все данные лежат в оперативке
[20:11:30] maxp: а как у них там с транзакциями?
[20:11:31] Лорд Ляпатяпа: при скажем 500 метров базе
[20:11:35] piranha: maxp: их нет
[20:11:40] piranha: он синкает с диском, но все данные - в памяти
[20:11:53] maxp: грустно
[20:11:57] maxp: мне вот чего хочется -
[20:12:00] piranha: они там сейчас работают над изменением этого дела, но всë равно он такой спецом
[20:12:07] piranha: maxp: это умышленно
[20:12:12] sevenov: maxp, ты с риаком спутал.
[20:12:18] maxp: вот прикиньте стандартный случай
[20:12:27] sevenov: riak - оно больше на couchdb похоже.
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[20:12:31] maxp: у нас есть главный объект и подчиненные
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[20:13:00] maxp: испокон веку для этого писали foreign key на две таблицы, сливали туда все и радовались жизни
[20:13:45] maxp: но как бы один индекс на все подчиненные ключи это не очень хорошо
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[20:14:05] maxp: ну и жесткая схема тоже.
[20:14:35] sevenov: maxp,
for(var k in doc.childs){
emit(doc.parent, null);
}
В couchdb я бы решил так.
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[20:14:39] sevenov: примерно так
[20:14:41] Portnov is now online
[20:15:09] sevenov: maxp, в документации к бд всегда присутсвует описание реализации деревьев.
[20:15:11] maxp: а как оно "в железе" при этом работает?
[20:15:15] Лорд Ляпатяпа: если подчиненные объекты важны сами по себе - они должны храниться отдельно со ссылкой на главный
[20:15:15] sevenov: Ммм. Ну чаще всего.
[20:15:24] maxp: я понимаю, что наверно в любой дб это все есть
[20:15:37] maxp: лорд : вот именно
[20:15:48] Лорд Ляпатяпа: если нет - можно в документ-ориентированной системе включить все в один объект
[20:15:56] maxp: в рдбмс мы используем некий int для этого
[20:16:02] maxp: причем даже не OID например
[20:16:09] maxp: что явно эффективнее
[20:16:32] maxp: хочется чего-то вот такого:
[20:16:41] maxp: вот есть например "юэер"
[20:16:49] sevenov: maxp, дык сядь и почитай, если интересно.
[20:16:59] maxp: по нему всякая лабуда типа логина,имени и т.п.
[20:17:00] sevenov: разжовывать что ль будем?
[20:17:11] maxp: sevenov: а не заставляет никто.
[20:17:14] maxp: можешь помолчать.
[20:17:14] sevenov: скажу так: реализуется абсолютно все.
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[20:17:39] maxp: для тех кому вероятно интересно продолжаю
[20:17:54] maxp: значит имеем юзера (небольшой объект)
[20:18:07] maxp: рядом с ним всегда "профайл"
[20:18:22] piranha: http://anekdot.ru/id/427929/
[20:18:24] maxp: объект побольше, но не так часто нужен
[20:18:38] maxp: однако хранить его далеко об "юзера" смысла нет
[20:19:20] maxp: здесь получается, что для эффективности дб должна "знать"
[20:19:34] maxp: что эти два объекта связаны и класть их рядом
[20:19:42] Лорд Ляпатяпа: maxp: для такой ситуации монго охуенна, особенно если профилей несколько и они могут дополняться
[20:19:59] maxp: но когда нам нужен только "юзер" без своего профайла, то нет смысла дёргать профайл с диска
[20:20:30] maxp: лорд : а оно их как один dict воспринимает
[20:20:31] maxp: ?
[20:20:34] Лорд Ляпатяпа: да
[20:20:42] Лорд Ляпатяпа: тоесть юзера без профиля ты не сдернешь
[20:20:48] maxp: вот это и хреново
[20:20:52] maxp: так-то все умеют
[20:20:53] Лорд Ляпатяпа: да это херня
[20:21:15] maxp: т.е. я в любой sqlite сериализую юзера с его профайлами и всё
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[20:21:41] Лорд Ляпатяпа: сдернул и сдернул, невелики расходы. Гораздо чаще требуется несколько таблиц в РСУБД дергать для этих профилей
[20:21:45] maxp: хочется, чтообы дб была aware некоторых взаимосвязей с данными
[20:21:49] Лорд Ляпатяпа: за это джангу и не люблю
[20:21:54] maxp: невелеки?
[20:21:59] maxp: тут как сказать
[20:22:05] Лорд Ляпатяпа: ну смотря какие профили
[20:22:11] maxp: как только схема становится менее тривиальной, так и начинается
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[20:22:19] Лорд Ляпатяпа: пара килобайт, не больше на каждый
[20:22:23] maxp: например я приделаю к юзеру парочку фотоальбомов
[20:22:25] Лорд Ляпатяпа: смысла изголяться нет
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[20:22:40] Лорд Ляпатяпа: фотоальбомы хранятся отдельно
[20:22:49] Лорд Ляпатяпа: в профиле только ссылки
[20:22:55] maxp: ссылки куда?
[20:23:03] Лорд Ляпатяпа: на фотоальбомы, foreignkey
[20:23:07] maxp: в рдбмс у меня просто какой-нибудь serial
[20:23:13] maxp: это в mongo ?
[20:23:18] Лорд Ляпатяпа: да хоть где
[20:23:21] maxp: foreignkey?
[20:23:32] Лорд Ляпатяпа: ну в монго такого понятия нет
[20:23:35] maxp: а констреинт она на него умеет делать, как у меня постгрес?
[20:23:39] Лорд Ляпатяпа: это на уровне приложения реализуется
[20:23:52] maxp: ну так-то да,
[20:24:07] maxp: на любом key-value сторидже это все руками реализуется
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[20:24:57] maxp: однако самый интересный момент начинается, когда в многопоточной сиситеме надо поддерживать консистенси
[20:25:18] maxp: я что спрашиваю-то
[20:25:24] maxp: ведь тема очень актуальная
[20:25:43] maxp: наверняка кто-то продвинулся дальше, чем разнообразные key-value вещи
[20:26:01] maxp: точно знаю, что на linkedin.com некая интересная схемка работает
[20:26:14] maxp: правда пишут, что на самом деле у них вообще все в ОЗУ :)
[20:26:17] maxp: 12 Гб :)
[20:26:40] Лорд Ляпатяпа: имхо тут блокировки нужны если юзаешь key-value или документальные базы
[20:26:41] maxp: зато все связи активных пользователей в одном мозгу :)
[20:26:50] piranha: maxp: короче на самом деле всë проще
[20:26:55] piranha: тебе надо пойти почитать статьи про них
[20:27:05] maxp: piranha: про что именно?
[20:27:11] piranha: потому что ты рассуждаешь о сферическом коне в вакууме и думаешь в терминах обычных баз
[20:27:16] piranha: про nosql-дрянь разную
[20:27:22] piranha: про монго, редис, кассандру
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[20:27:49] maxp: про первые два уже читал, правда не очень подробно
[20:27:57] maxp: того, что я хочу там нет и не предвидится
[20:27:58] piranha: я вижу ;)
[20:28:23] Лорд Ляпатяпа: аналог консистенси (не знаю что это=) тебе понадобится в 1% случаев, и это можно обойти
[20:28:25] Лорд Ляпатяпа: было бы желание
[20:29:32] maxp: ну как бы не стоит заранее оценивать в скольки случаях что мне может понадобиться
[20:29:39] Лорд Ляпатяпа: я вот перестроился на монго (кстати довольно легко) и могу считаться с его недостатками
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[20:30:10] Лорд Ляпатяпа: если это главный критерий - ничем помочь не смогу
[20:30:23] maxp: лорд : а расскажи, что оно тебе даёт вместо обычной сериализации любого объекта
[20:30:30] maxp: и с добавлением к нему ключа
[20:31:06] maxp: я например, в одном месте так делаю со словариком пермишенов -
[20:31:18] Лорд Ляпатяпа: ну я хочу добавить поле в профиль, дописываю свое приложение и все, существующие данные менять не надо
[20:31:31] maxp: вот я в точно сти так же
[20:31:39] Лорд Ляпатяпа: можно некоторые данные включать прямо в объект
[20:31:50] maxp: беру новый объектик, говорю ему pickle и всё
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[20:31:56] Лорд Ляпатяпа: ну например несколько адресов почты - в список
[20:31:58] maxp: вот в точности
[20:32:02] maxp: аналогично
[20:32:14] maxp: у меня правда два вида объектиков таких
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[20:32:27] maxp: один для мемкэша, другой для записи на диск
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[20:32:34] Лорд Ляпатяпа: ну а доступ к объектам - почти как в sql, запросы...
[20:32:46] maxp: а вот жто интересно
[20:32:49] Лорд Ляпатяпа: ну может не почти, но мне хватает
[20:32:58] maxp: оно индексы по внутренним полям само строит?
[20:33:02] maxp: автоматически?
[20:33:09] Лорд Ляпатяпа: индексы вручную говоришь какие нужны
[20:33:20] Лорд Ляпатяпа: можно в глубине списка
[20:33:31] maxp: вот это уже положительно
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[20:33:53] maxp: а по ним что делать можно? оп этим индексам?
[20:33:58] Лорд Ляпатяпа: искать
[20:34:06] Лорд Ляпатяпа: сортировать
[20:34:12] maxp: ну в смысле IN оператор по множеству там работает?
[20:34:16] Лорд Ляпатяпа: да
[20:34:57] maxp: интересно как он знает хеэиндекс делать или бтрее
[20:35:03] maxp: == хэшиндекс
[20:35:20] Лорд Ляпатяпа: http://www.mongodb.org/display/DOCS/Advanced+Queries
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[20:35:53] maxp: т.е. в монго я могу сделать запрос типа "достать юзеров с зелеными шнурками на ботинках"
[20:36:00] Лорд Ляпатяпа: да
[20:36:24] Лорд Ляпатяпа: find({"shnurki": 'green'})
[20:36:29] Лорд Ляпатяпа: и усё
[20:36:56] maxp: тут правда имелось ввиду
[20:37:11] maxp: user.boots.шнурки ==
[20:37:26] maxp: но не user.куртка.шнурки
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[20:37:34] Лорд Ляпатяпа: но sql гораздо богаче по возможностям запросов. Хотя я в проблемы не упирался
[20:37:43] Лорд Ляпатяпа: find({"user.boots.шнурки": 'green'})
[20:37:54] maxp: ну в общем, уже все не так плохо
[20:37:55] Лорд Ляпатяпа: и можно сделать по user.boots.шнурки индекс
[20:38:11] maxp: а большие базы пробовал?
[20:38:25] Лорд Ляпатяпа: нет
[20:38:47] maxp: очень еще constraints интересуют
[20:38:50] Лорд Ляпатяпа: у меня максимальные объемы - десятки тысяч записей в таблице, копейки
[20:38:55] Лорд Ляпатяпа: constraints не знаю что такое
[20:39:03] maxp: типа unique ( a,b)
[20:39:17] maxp: т.е. если у меня такое написано в постгресе
[20:39:37] maxp: то он гарантирует мне, что уникальность этих пар будет
[20:39:52] Лорд Ляпатяпа: не, не понимаю
[20:40:03] Лорд Ляпатяпа: я с постгресом только через джангу работал, мне большего не надо было
[20:40:04] maxp: причем он, сабака, делает это все на больших битмапах в разделяемой памяти, поэтому сильно шустр
[20:40:25] Лорд Ляпатяпа: a и b это что?
[20:40:30] maxp: что угодно
[20:40:32] maxp: два поля
[20:40:46] maxp: и во всей базе эти пары будут различными
[20:41:06] maxp: это стандартный SQL, как раз которому миллион лет в обед
[20:41:40] Лорд Ляпатяпа: я не знаю как эту задачу решить на монго... может можно легко, может через mapreduce (не юзал), может через фронтенд типа питона
[20:42:17] maxp: фронтенд плох тем, что если есть многопоточность, то сразу все становится несколько не тривиально
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[20:44:25] sevenov: maxp,
>[09:37:22 PM] maxp: очень еще constraints интересуют
Оно есть.
[20:44:37] maxp: в много?
[20:44:42] maxp: == монго
[20:46:41] maxp: MongoDB query optimizer - хорошее слово
[20:47:23] maxp: да, помню что-то уже читал про него
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[20:47:43] maxp: что хренька пробует по-разному делать запросы, а потом запоминает какой лучше получился
[20:48:06] maxp: это очень мудро на самом деле, если хорошо сделано, конечно
[20:49:52] maxp: значит среди пробовавших всё это хозяйство
[20:50:03] maxp: о монгодб самые лучшие впечатления.
[20:50:30] maxp: благодарю за отзывы.
[20:50:37] Лорд Ляпатяпа: нет, просто я самый разговорчивый сегодня
[20:50:52] Лорд Ляпатяпа: а юзал я кроме монго только tokyo tyrant
[20:51:10] Лорд Ляпатяпа: к остальному присматривался, но монго меня полностью удовлетворяет
[20:51:13] maxp: лорд: а по нему что можешь сказать?
[20:51:32] Лорд Ляпатяпа: а ничего, резкий как понос
[20:51:39] maxp: о как!
[20:51:54] Лорд Ляпатяпа: проблем не было, но использовал как программист его мало
[20:52:08] Лорд Ляпатяпа: тупо как в мемкеш скидывал данные и по ключам принимал
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[20:53:15] Лорд Ляпатяпа: переписал на него после того, как загубил берклиевскую базу многопоточностью
[20:53:52] maxp: да уж
[20:54:10] maxp: невовремя записанный на диск сектор может похоронить все.
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[20:54:56] Лорд Ляпатяпа: все у меня не хоронилось, были сбойные записи, остальное читалось
[20:55:08] Лорд Ляпатяпа: экспериментировал, риски были небольшие
[20:55:12] maxp: ну это куда попадет :)
[20:55:20] Лорд Ляпатяпа: ну да
[20:55:34] maxp: у меня в прошлом году косяк вылез -
[20:55:38] maxp: тривиальный
[20:56:02] maxp: на джанге считал простенький баланс и разноску процентов по юзерам
[20:56:19] maxp: просто неподумал
[20:56:28] maxp: магия ОРМа притупляет сознание :)
[20:56:43] maxp: ну и в очень некоторых случаях считалось неправильно
[20:57:03] maxp: а даже раз в месяц несошедшийся баланс означает полный кирдык.
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[21:16:26] Renji: А ты правильно завершай
[21:16:33] xa4a: сервер не остановился
[21:16:38] xa4a: ты как останавливаешь?
[21:17:21] murato: я настроил Aptana для pydev. от туда и запускаю и останавливаю
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[21:19:18] murato: хм... убил все процессы python, а страничка все равно обновляется %)
[21:19:25] xa4a: кеш
[21:19:32] xa4a: убей pydev
[21:19:48] xa4a: и попробуй uninstall.exe
[21:20:39] piranha: эх блин
[21:20:57] murato: хм... надо посмотреть в линуксе как оно получится)
[21:21:02] piranha: учаснеги, требуется помощь коллективного разума. Я тут взял нафигачил клиентскую либу для редиса (текущая не устраивает)
[21:21:13] piranha: http://hg.piranha.org.ua/pyredis/file/tip/pyredis.py - и вот тут оно всë работает через __getattr__
[21:21:24] piranha: т.е. по сути можно любую команду вызвать и получить профит
[21:21:59] piranha: но автодополнения никакого нету практически ж… и я думаю взять вот так http://paste.in.ua/51/ свичнуться
[21:22:16] piranha: получается, вместо динамического определения я заранее расставляю всë
[21:22:22] piranha: есть чо кому сказать? )
[21:22:34] piranha: сайд-эффект - вызовы ускоряются на ~7%
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[21:23:01] piranha: 125 us против 134 us :-)))
[21:23:33] xa4a: не знаю, что такое редиска, но есть ли смысл? твоя либа - ведь не для интерактивного использования?
[21:23:42] xa4a: а на время разработки разраб может и потерпеть
[21:23:47] piranha: ну в принципе нет, не для интерактивного
[21:24:01] piranha: xa4a: база данных это ;)
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[21:24:12] piranha: xa4a: т.е. ты считаешь. что __getattr__ - лучше?
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[21:24:32] piranha: блин, тока шо апдейтнул редис, появились 4 новые команды
[21:24:33] xa4a: я делал для userapi.com, который json-интерфейс вконтакта клиента тоже через getattr
[21:24:36] piranha: да, гетатр лучше
[21:24:42] piranha: )
[21:24:47] piranha: тесты только надо написать
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[21:25:02] piranha: слууушай
[21:25:13] piranha: xa4a: видишь, в конце там несколько оверрайдов определено?
[21:25:23] piranha: типа там def set, def setnx
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[21:26:51] xa4a: вижу
[21:27:04] piranha: есть идеи, как можно увидеть, что они определены, а get - нет?
[21:27:23] piranha: я хочу объединить подходы ) Т.е. назначать все известные мне функции, но оставить при этом гетаттр...
[21:27:34] piranha: но hasattr(r, 'get') говорит True, скотина
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[21:28:20] xa4a: нуэта..
[21:28:34] xa4a: может выделить какой-то общий подход и фигачить динамически их метаклассом?
[21:28:43] xa4a: для всех команд общий подход, в смысле
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[21:29:16] xa4a: а, там чо-то похожее есть..
[21:29:37] piranha: эээ
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[21:29:40] piranha: не уловил :)
[21:29:52] xa4a: может проще расковырять ipython, посмотреть, может он хелперов каких-то юзает для дополнения? :)
[21:30:02] piranha: гыгы
[21:30:53] xa4a: а по дифу, кстати, нихрена не ясно, т.к. куски вырезаны
[21:31:39] piranha: хмхмхм
[21:31:50] piranha: да, но по новому файлу - тоже хрен чо поймëшь
[21:31:53] piranha: не знаешь же, куда смотреть
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