[00:00:07] cybergrind is now away
[00:00:55] piranha is now offline
[00:00:59] piranha is now Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication
[00:02:46] mr.oduvan is now xa
[00:03:04] ts33kr is now online
[00:04:14] sevenov: Как всегда, упорыши со своим планом 9 =)
[00:04:23] piranha: • Java is a DSL to transform big Xml documents into long exception stack traces. -- Scott Bellware
[00:05:08] cybergrind is now away
[00:08:05] ts33kr is now online
[00:10:01] murato: подскажите плз как и нетбинс запускать тестовый сервер django
[00:10:09] cybergrind is now away
[00:10:17] xa4a_ is now away
[00:10:39] cutwater: обязательно это делать из нетбинз?
[00:11:18] pr0ks is now away
[00:11:20] murato: ну удобнее немного)
[00:11:28] cybergrind is now глупница
[00:11:29] cybergrind is now глупница
[00:11:46] sevenov: murato, чем?
[00:11:51] cutwater: с учетом того что джанговый сервер перезапускать часто не так и надо
[00:12:01] cutwater: то удобства я в этом не вижу
[00:13:06] ts33kr is now online
[00:15:00] pr0ks is now online
[00:15:10] cybergrind is now глупница
[00:16:30] cybergrind is now away
[00:16:31] cybergrind is now away
[00:17:32] sevenov: cutwater, он валится на всяких syntax error, тогда его нужно перезапускать.
[00:17:54] cutwater: ну да.
[00:17:56] xa4a_ is now online
[00:18:06] xa4a_: угу.. а ещё от них отпадают отдельные файлы моделей, урлов
[00:18:07] ts33kr is now online
[00:18:09] cutwater: правда в любом случае это 2-3 нажатия
[00:18:23] cutwater: Alt+Tab Up Enter Alt+Tab
[00:19:03] xa4a_: а ^C ?
[00:19:25] cutwater: ну да
[00:19:46] cutwater: как бы это очень быстрая операция
[00:19:48] murato: =)
[00:20:00] cutwater: по сравнению с найти в нетбинзе менюшку и перезапустить
[00:20:10] cybergrind is now away
[00:20:53] xa4a_: в нетбинсе-то тоже хоткеем можно, если можно)
[00:21:21] cutwater is now offline
[00:21:32] ts33kr is now away
[00:21:33] ts33kr is now away
[00:23:07] ts33kr is now away
[00:25:11] cybergrind is now away
[00:28:09] ts33kr is now away
[00:30:01] piranha: мдямс
[00:30:03] Большой Лис is now away
[00:30:09] piranha: у луы переборщили с… не знаю чем, но код выходит очень вербозный
[00:30:11] Большой Лис is now online
[00:30:13] cybergrind is now away
[00:31:32] ts33kr is now xa
[00:31:34] ts33kr is now xa
[00:31:49] Большой Лис is now offline
[00:32:27] piranha is now offline
[00:33:00] Большой Лис is now online
[00:33:09] ts33kr is now xa
[00:33:28] Большой Лис is now offline
[00:35:11] cybergrind is now away
[00:38:10] ts33kr is now xa
[00:38:49] Typhon is now online
[00:39:01] xa4a_ is now away
[00:40:11] cybergrind is now away
[00:43:11] ts33kr is now xa
[00:45:12] cybergrind is now away
[00:48:12] ts33kr is now xa
[00:50:13] cybergrind is now away
[00:52:29] xa4a_ is now online
[00:53:13] kwis is now http://www.krajt.com.ua/
[00:53:15] ts33kr is now xa
[00:54:53] kwis: товарисчи подскажите где отрыть такое решение задачи. Задача: есть текстовый файл который лежит в системе, есть модель с полем TextField мне надо при открытии этой модели чтобы в это поле выгружался текст с этого файла
[00:55:13] cybergrind is now away
[00:55:20] xa4a_: def __init__
[00:55:42] kwis: xa4a_: ушел рыть гугл
[00:57:14] sevenov: Лориена что-то понесло.
[00:58:14] ts33kr is now xa
[01:00:14] cybergrind is now away
[01:00:19] Typhon is now away
[01:02:21] cybergrind is now away
[01:02:22] cybergrind is now глупница
[01:03:16] ts33kr is now xa
[01:05:15] cybergrind is now глупница
[01:08:10] Typhon is now online
[01:08:16] ts33kr is now xa
[01:08:25] xa4a_ is now away
[01:08:53] xa4a_ is now online
[01:10:16] cybergrind is now глупница
[01:11:43] pr0ks is now offline
[01:13:17] ts33kr is now xa
[01:15:16] cybergrind is now глупница
[01:17:36] cybergrind is now offline
[01:18:17] ts33kr is now xa
[01:19:20] cybergrind is now глупница
[01:20:41] xa4a_ is now away
[01:23:15] cybergrind is now глупница
[01:23:17] ts33kr is now xa
[01:27:31] klichuk is now xa
[01:28:16] cybergrind is now глупница
[01:28:17] ts33kr is now xa
[01:33:02] Typhon is now away
[01:33:16] cybergrind is now глупница
[01:33:18] ts33kr is now xa
[01:38:17] cybergrind is now глупница
[01:38:18] ts33kr is now xa
[01:38:45] cybergrind is now away
[01:38:47] cybergrind is now away
[01:41:08] Большой Лис is now online
[01:42:37] tilarids is now away
[01:43:02] Typhon is now xa
[01:43:18] cybergrind is now away
[01:43:19] ts33kr is now xa
[01:43:30] cybergrind is now away
[01:43:32] cybergrind is now глупница
[01:45:24] Большой Лис is now offline
[01:48:18] cybergrind is now глупница
[01:48:19] ts33kr is now xa
[01:50:17] cybergrind is now away
[01:50:19] cybergrind is now away
[01:52:37] tilarids is now xa
[01:53:17] cybergrind is now away
[01:53:19] ts33kr is now xa
[01:55:38] cybergrind is now away
[01:55:39] cybergrind is now глупница
[01:58:18] cybergrind is now глупница
[01:58:20] ts33kr is now xa
[01:59:13] xa4a_ is now online
[01:59:40] PC is now away
[02:00:34] murato is now offline
[02:02:49] Typhon is now online
[02:03:19] cybergrind is now глупница
[02:03:20] ts33kr is now xa
[02:08:18] cybergrind is now глупница
[02:08:20] ts33kr is now xa
[02:08:54] Typhon is now away
[02:09:41] PC is now xa
[02:13:19] cybergrind is now глупница
[02:13:21] ts33kr is now xa
[02:15:57] xa4a_ is now away
[02:17:09] xa4a_ is now online
[02:17:23] trurl is now away
[02:17:47] trurl is now online
[02:18:19] cybergrind is now глупница
[02:18:22] ts33kr is now xa
[02:18:54] Typhon is now xa
[02:19:07] trurl is now xa
[02:19:08] trurl is now offline
[02:23:19] cybergrind is now глупница
[02:23:23] ts33kr is now xa
[02:26:02] Optik is now offline
[02:26:11] pzskc383 is now online
[02:26:31] cybergrind is now away
[02:26:32] cybergrind is now away
[02:26:52] cybergrind is now away
[02:26:53] cybergrind is now глупница
[02:27:29] xa4a_ is now away
[02:28:19] cybergrind is now глупница
[02:28:23] ts33kr is now xa
[02:33:19] cybergrind is now глупница
[02:33:25] ts33kr is now xa
[02:38:19] cybergrind is now глупница
[02:38:25] ts33kr is now xa
[02:41:37] xa4a_ is now online
[02:41:40] xa4a_ is now away
[02:43:19] cybergrind is now глупница
[02:43:25] ts33kr is now xa
[02:45:33] lievil is now away
[02:48:20] cybergrind is now глупница
[02:48:26] ts33kr is now xa
[02:49:26] kwis is now away
[02:50:22] denz is now online
[02:51:12] murato is now online
[02:51:16] murato is now offline
[02:53:20] cybergrind is now глупница
[02:53:27] ts33kr is now xa
[02:53:29] lievil is now online
[02:54:23] kwis is now http://www.krajt.com.ua/
[02:56:04] denz is now offline
[02:57:31] pzskc383 is now offline
[02:58:20] cybergrind is now глупница
[02:58:28] ts33kr is now xa
[02:58:49] lievil is now away
[02:59:51] lievil is now online
[03:02:56] kwis is now away
[03:03:21] cybergrind is now глупница
[03:03:29] ts33kr is now xa
[03:05:09] kwis is now http://www.krajt.com.ua/
[03:08:21] cybergrind is now глупница
[03:08:29] ts33kr is now xa
[03:12:03] lievil is now away
[03:13:21] cybergrind is now глупница
[03:13:29] ts33kr is now xa
[03:18:22] cybergrind is now глупница
[03:18:29] ts33kr is now xa
[03:22:03] lievil is now xa
[03:23:22] cybergrind is now глупница
[03:23:30] ts33kr is now xa
[03:28:23] cybergrind is now глупница
[03:28:30] ts33kr is now xa
[03:32:07] pzskc383 is now Available
[03:33:24] cybergrind is now глупница
[03:33:30] ts33kr is now xa
[03:37:21] cybergrind is now away
[03:37:22] cybergrind is now away
[03:37:28] kwis is now away
[03:38:24] cybergrind is now away
[03:38:31] ts33kr is now xa
[03:42:22] kwis is now http://www.krajt.com.ua/
[03:43:24] cybergrind is now away
[03:43:32] ts33kr is now xa
[03:47:38] kwis is now away
[03:48:24] cybergrind is now away
[03:48:32] ts33kr is now xa
[03:52:32] kwis is now http://www.krajt.com.ua/
[03:53:24] cybergrind is now away
[03:53:32] ts33kr is now xa
[03:57:29] pzskc383 is now away
[03:57:31] klichuk is now offline
[03:57:45] pzskc383 is now Available
[03:58:24] cybergrind is now away
[03:58:33] ts33kr is now xa
[03:58:55] pzskc383 is now offline
[03:59:05] pzskc383 is now Available
[03:59:37] pzskc383 is now offline
[04:01:38] pzskc383 is now Available
[04:03:26] cybergrind is now away
[04:03:32] ts33kr is now xa
[04:08:18] kwis is now away
[04:08:26] cybergrind is now away
[04:08:33] ts33kr is now xa
[04:11:41] kwis is now offline
[04:11:42] kwis is now away
[04:13:26] cybergrind is now away
[04:13:32] ts33kr is now xa
[04:13:56] kwis is now http://www.krajt.com.ua/
[04:18:27] cybergrind is now away
[04:18:32] ts33kr is now xa
[04:19:24] klichuk is now xa
[04:23:27] cybergrind is now away
[04:23:32] ts33kr is now xa
[04:28:28] cybergrind is now away
[04:28:31] ts33kr is now xa
[04:33:28] cybergrind is now away
[04:33:30] ts33kr is now xa
[04:38:29] cybergrind is now away
[04:38:31] ts33kr is now xa
[04:43:29] cybergrind is now away
[04:43:31] ts33kr is now xa
[04:48:28] cybergrind is now away
[04:48:31] ts33kr is now xa
[04:53:28] cybergrind is now away
[04:53:32] ts33kr is now xa
[04:57:15] kwis is now away
[04:58:27] cybergrind is now away
[04:58:32] ts33kr is now xa
[05:01:12] kwis is now http://www.krajt.com.ua/
[05:03:27] cybergrind is now away
[05:03:32] ts33kr is now xa
[05:04:24] pzskc383 is now away
[05:08:28] cybergrind is now away
[05:08:34] ts33kr is now xa
[05:08:44] pzskc383 is now Available
[05:12:10] tilarids is now offline
[05:12:25] tilarids is now xa
[05:12:41] tilarids is now offline
[05:13:28] cybergrind is now away
[05:13:34] ts33kr is now xa
[05:18:28] cybergrind is now away
[05:18:35] ts33kr is now xa
[05:20:17] tilarids is now xa
[05:23:29] cybergrind is now away
[05:23:35] ts33kr is now xa
[05:28:28] cybergrind is now away
[05:28:35] ts33kr is now xa
[05:29:59] kwis is now away
[05:33:28] cybergrind is now away
[05:33:36] ts33kr is now xa
[05:38:27] cybergrind is now away
[05:38:37] ts33kr is now xa
[05:43:27] cybergrind is now away
[05:43:38] ts33kr is now xa
[05:48:28] cybergrind is now away
[05:48:38] ts33kr is now xa
[05:53:29] cybergrind is now away
[05:53:38] ts33kr is now xa
[05:58:29] cybergrind is now away
[05:58:37] ts33kr is now xa
[06:03:30] cybergrind is now away
[06:03:39] ts33kr is now xa
[06:06:24] maxp is now away
[06:08:08] kwis is now http://www.krajt.com.ua/
[06:08:29] cybergrind is now away
[06:08:39] ts33kr is now xa
[06:13:08] kwis is now away
[06:13:30] cybergrind is now away
[06:13:38] ts33kr is now xa
[06:18:22] maxp is now away
[06:18:31] cybergrind is now away
[06:18:39] ts33kr is now xa
[06:23:31] cybergrind is now away
[06:23:39] ts33kr is now xa
[06:28:31] cybergrind is now away
[06:28:39] ts33kr is now xa
[06:29:39] tilarids is now offline
[06:29:56] tilarids is now xa
[06:33:31] cybergrind is now away
[06:33:38] ts33kr is now xa
[06:33:54] pzskc383 is now away
[06:35:21] pzskc383 is now Available
[06:35:33] pzskc383 is now xa
[06:38:32] cybergrind is now away
[06:38:40] ts33kr is now xa
[06:43:33] cybergrind is now away
[06:43:41] ts33kr is now xa
[06:48:33] cybergrind is now away
[06:48:40] ts33kr is now xa
[06:53:33] cybergrind is now away
[06:53:41] ts33kr is now xa
[06:55:17] maxp is now offline
[06:58:34] cybergrind is now away
[06:58:41] ts33kr is now xa
[07:03:34] cybergrind is now away
[07:03:43] ts33kr is now xa
[07:07:02] dicos is now online
[07:08:34] cybergrind is now away
[07:08:42] ts33kr is now xa
[07:13:36] cybergrind is now away
[07:13:43] ts33kr is now xa
[07:18:36] cybergrind is now away
[07:18:44] ts33kr is now xa
[07:23:36] cybergrind is now away
[07:23:45] ts33kr is now xa
[07:28:37] cybergrind is now away
[07:28:45] ts33kr is now xa
[07:33:37] cybergrind is now away
[07:33:45] ts33kr is now xa
[07:38:37] cybergrind is now away
[07:38:44] ts33kr is now xa
[07:43:38] cybergrind is now away
[07:43:45] ts33kr is now xa
[07:48:38] cybergrind is now away
[07:48:46] ts33kr is now xa
[07:53:39] cybergrind is now away
[07:53:46] ts33kr is now xa
[07:55:54] лорд Морфий is now Господи, как меня бесит то, что нервные клетки не восстанавливаются!..
[07:58:10] dicos is now offline
[07:58:40] cybergrind is now away
[07:58:46] ts33kr is now xa
[08:03:40] cybergrind is now away
[08:03:48] ts33kr is now xa
[08:08:41] cybergrind is now away
[08:08:49] ts33kr is now xa
[08:13:41] cybergrind is now away
[08:13:49] ts33kr is now xa
[08:18:41] cybergrind is now away
[08:18:50] ts33kr is now xa
[08:23:42] cybergrind is now away
[08:23:50] ts33kr is now xa
[08:28:19] Portnov is now online
[08:28:43] cybergrind is now away
[08:28:50] ts33kr is now xa
[08:33:29] Portnov is now away
[08:33:30] Portnov is now away
[08:33:43] cybergrind is now away
[08:33:50] ts33kr is now xa
[08:38:43] cybergrind is now away
[08:38:51] ts33kr is now xa
[08:43:44] cybergrind is now away
[08:43:51] ts33kr is now xa
[08:48:45] cybergrind is now away
[08:48:52] ts33kr is now xa
[08:49:32] Portnov is now away
[08:49:33] Portnov is now online
[08:53:44] cybergrind is now away
[08:53:53] ts33kr is now xa
[08:54:38] GrimbleGromble is now online
[08:58:45] cybergrind is now away
[08:58:53] ts33kr is now xa
[09:01:36] GrimbleGromble is now away
[09:03:47] cybergrind is now away
[09:03:52] ts33kr is now xa
[09:05:15] gigimon is now offline
[09:06:09] gigimon is now online
[09:08:48] cybergrind is now away
[09:08:52] ts33kr is now xa
[09:11:37] GrimbleGromble is now xa
[09:12:07] tilarids is now online
[09:13:48] cybergrind is now away
[09:13:52] ts33kr is now xa
[09:16:37] GrimbleGromble is now online
[09:18:50] cybergrind is now away
[09:18:53] ts33kr is now xa
[09:21:37] GrimbleGromble is now away
[09:23:50] cybergrind is now away
[09:23:53] ts33kr is now xa
[09:27:21] tilarids is now away
[09:28:51] cybergrind is now away
[09:28:54] ts33kr is now xa
[09:31:37] GrimbleGromble is now xa
[09:32:27] GrimbleGromble is now online
[09:33:51] cybergrind is now away
[09:33:56] ts33kr is now xa
[09:37:21] tilarids is now xa
[09:37:47] GrimbleGromble is now away
[09:38:52] cybergrind is now away
[09:38:56] ts33kr is now xa
[09:43:52] cybergrind is now away
[09:43:57] ts33kr is now xa
[09:44:06] Portnov is now away
[09:44:07] Portnov is now away
[09:47:06] Typhon is now online
[09:47:47] GrimbleGromble is now xa
[09:48:36] Portnov is now away
[09:48:37] Portnov is now online
[09:48:52] cybergrind is now away
[09:48:57] ts33kr is now xa
[09:50:37] PC is now online
[09:52:48] GrimbleGromble is now online
[09:53:54] cybergrind is now away
[09:53:59] ts33kr is now xa
[09:55:26] olgZZZ is now online
[09:55:27] olgZZZ is now online
[09:56:44] ts33kr is now offline
[09:57:48] GrimbleGromble is now away
[09:58:55] cybergrind is now away
[10:00:05] olgZZZ is now online
[10:03:54] cybergrind is now away
[10:04:29] tilarids is now online
[10:05:05] olgZZZ is now online
[10:07:48] GrimbleGromble is now xa
[10:08:56] cybergrind is now away
[10:08:59] pr0ks is now online
[10:09:28] Portnov is now away
[10:09:29] Portnov is now away
[10:10:06] olgZZZ is now online
[10:10:37] tilarids is now away
[10:11:36] Portnov is now away
[10:11:37] Portnov is now online
[10:13:55] cybergrind is now away
[10:15:07] olgZZZ is now online
[10:16:59] tilarids is now online
[10:18:56] cybergrind is now away
[10:20:07] olgZZZ is now online
[10:21:30] Typhon is now offline
[10:22:38] GrimbleGromble is now online
[10:23:56] cybergrind is now away
[10:25:07] olgZZZ is now online
[10:27:48] GrimbleGromble is now away
[10:28:09] Portnov is now away
[10:28:10] Portnov is now away
[10:28:12] pr0ks is now xa
[10:28:23] tilarids is now away
[10:28:26] Portnov is now away
[10:28:28] Portnov is now online
[10:28:56] cybergrind is now away
[10:29:05] tilarids is now online
[10:30:06] Optik is now Да, я здесь.
[10:30:07] olgZZZ is now online
[10:33:56] cybergrind is now away
[10:34:37] tilarids is now away
[10:35:06] olgZZZ is now online
[10:35:07] pr0ks is now online
[10:37:49] GrimbleGromble is now xa
[10:38:07] tilarids is now online
[10:38:57] cybergrind is now away
[10:40:06] olgZZZ is now online
[10:43:09] tilarids is now away
[10:43:29] cutwater is now online
[10:43:57] cybergrind is now away
[10:45:07] olgZZZ is now online
[10:47:20] pr0ks is now xa
[10:48:43] tilarids is now online
[10:48:57] cybergrind is now away
[10:50:07] olgZZZ is now online
[10:53:20] piranha is now Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication
[10:53:59] cybergrind is now away
[10:54:19] tilarids is now away
[10:54:44] tilarids is now offline
[10:54:59] tilarids is now away
[10:55:08] olgZZZ is now online
[10:56:56] trurl is now online
[10:58:09] GrimbleGromble is now online
[10:58:59] cybergrind is now away
[11:00:05] Муркт is now away
[11:00:09] olgZZZ is now online
[11:02:56] GrimbleGromble is now offline
[11:03:59] cybergrind is now away
[11:04:19] tilarids is now xa
[11:05:11] olgZZZ is now online
[11:08:59] cybergrind is now away
[11:10:11] olgZZZ is now online
[11:10:33] GrimbleGromble is now online
[11:10:37] GrimbleGromble is now online
[11:11:02] GrimbleGromble is now offline
[11:11:38] GrimbleGromble is now online
[11:11:42] GrimbleGromble is now online
[11:14:00] cybergrind is now away
[11:15:12] olgZZZ is now online
[11:17:21] piranha is now away
[11:19:00] cybergrind is now away
[11:20:11] olgZZZ is now online
[11:24:01] cybergrind is now away
[11:24:14] piranha is now Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication
[11:25:12] olgZZZ is now online
[11:29:02] cybergrind is now away
[11:30:13] olgZZZ is now online
[11:34:03] cybergrind is now away
[11:35:13] olgZZZ is now online
[11:35:49] Portnov is now away
[11:35:50] Portnov is now away
[11:37:44] лорд Морфий is now xa
[11:38:49] pr0ks is now online
[11:39:03] cybergrind is now away
[11:40:13] Optik is now offline
[11:40:14] olgZZZ is now online
[11:40:15] Optik is now Да, я здесь.
[11:40:17] Optik is now Да, я здесь.
[11:41:42] PC is now away
[11:41:50] GrimbleGromble is now away
[11:42:00] GrimbleGromble is now online
[11:44:03] cybergrind is now away
[11:44:04] mr.oduvan is now online
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[11:45:14] olgZZZ is now online
[11:49:04] cybergrind is now away
[11:49:46] cutwater is now online
[11:50:15] olgZZZ is now online
[11:51:42] PC is now xa
[11:54:05] cybergrind is now away
[11:54:58] cutwater is now away
[11:55:15] olgZZZ is now online
[11:59:07] cybergrind is now away
[11:59:34] mr.oduvan is now away
[12:00:16] olgZZZ is now online
[12:00:22] piranha is now offline
[12:00:35] pr0ks is now offline
[12:00:36] piranha is now Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication
[12:03:55] mr.oduvan is now online
[12:04:07] cybergrind is now away
[12:04:12] огыешсук is now online
[12:04:58] cutwater is now xa
[12:05:16] olgZZZ is now online
[12:06:03] piranha is now offline
[12:07:08] cutwater is now online
[12:08:48] Portnov is now away
[12:08:49] Portnov is now online
[12:09:08] cybergrind is now away
[12:10:08] PC is now online
[12:10:18] olgZZZ is now online
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[12:14:10] cybergrind is now away
[12:14:20] Муркт is now away
[12:15:17] olgZZZ is now online
[12:17:41] trurl is now away
[12:17:51] GrimbleGromble is now online
[12:19:09] cybergrind is now away
[12:19:31] trurl is now online
[12:20:18] olgZZZ is now online
[12:22:51] GrimbleGromble is now away
[12:24:09] cybergrind is now away
[12:24:36] Большой Лис is now online
[12:24:58] mr.oduvan is now offline
[12:25:18] olgZZZ is now online
[12:27:51] GrimbleGromble is now online
[12:29:09] cybergrind is now away
[12:30:07] Большой Лис is now away
[12:30:18] olgZZZ is now online
[12:30:38] Муркт is now offline
[12:30:40] denz is now online
[12:32:51] GrimbleGromble is now away
[12:33:46] PC is now away
[12:34:09] cybergrind is now away
[12:35:13] Большой Лис is now online
[12:35:20] olgZZZ is now online
[12:38:27] kwis is now http://www.krajt.com.ua/
[12:39:09] cybergrind is now away
[12:40:21] olgZZZ is now online
[12:41:31] GrimbleGromble is now online
[12:43:45] kwis is now away
[12:43:46] PC is now xa
[12:44:09] cybergrind is now away
[12:45:21] olgZZZ is now online
[12:48:56] lievil is now online
[12:49:10] cybergrind is now away
[12:50:07] Большой Лис is now away
[12:50:21] olgZZZ is now online
[12:51:32] xa4a_ is now online
[12:52:26] cutwater is now away
[12:54:10] cybergrind is now away
[12:55:18] cutwater is now online
[12:55:19] lievil is now away
[12:55:22] olgZZZ is now online
[12:59:11] cybergrind is now away
[13:00:23] olgZZZ is now online
[13:01:37] Большой Лис is now online
[13:02:48] cybergrind is now away
[13:02:49] cybergrind is now глупница
[13:03:04] огыешсук is now offline
[13:03:22] огыешсук is now online
[13:04:12] cybergrind is now глупница
[13:04:29] огыешсук is now offline
[13:04:35] огыешсук is now online
[13:05:18] lievil is now xa
[13:05:24] olgZZZ is now online
[13:05:42] GrimbleGromble is now away
[13:08:14] cutwater is now xa
[13:08:16] cutwater is now online
[13:08:29] cutwater is now offline
[13:08:32] GrimbleGromble is now online
[13:08:41] kwis is now http://www.krajt.com.ua/
[13:09:12] cybergrind is now глупница
[13:10:24] olgZZZ is now online
[13:11:28] cutwater is now online
[13:12:12] огыешсук is now offline
[13:12:14] огыешсук is now online
[13:12:35] denz is now away
[13:13:32] GrimbleGromble is now away
[13:13:41] kwis is now away
[13:14:13] cybergrind is now глупница
[13:15:24] olgZZZ is now online
[13:17:32] GrimbleGromble is now online
[13:19:14] cybergrind is now глупница
[13:20:23] olgZZZ is now online
[13:20:31] cybergrind is now away
[13:20:32] cybergrind is now away
[13:20:42] cutwater is now away
[13:21:37] cybergrind is now away
[13:21:38] cybergrind is now глупница
[13:22:35] denz is now xa
[13:22:42] GrimbleGromble is now away
[13:23:15] cutwater is now offline
[13:24:14] cybergrind is now глупница
[13:25:11] xa4a_ is now away
[13:25:23] olgZZZ is now online
[13:29:14] cybergrind is now глупница
[13:30:24] olgZZZ is now online
[13:31:42] GrimbleGromble is now online
[13:34:15] cybergrind is now глупница
[13:35:18] trurl is now away
[13:35:24] olgZZZ is now online
[13:36:16] xa4a_ is now online
[13:36:53] GrimbleGromble is now away
[13:37:29] Portnov is now away
[13:37:30] Portnov is now away
[13:39:16] cybergrind is now глупница
[13:39:37] denz is now online
[13:40:25] olgZZZ is now online
[13:42:56] PC is now online
[13:43:13] GrimbleGromble is now online
[13:44:16] cybergrind is now глупница
[13:45:16] trurl is now xa
[13:45:24] olgZZZ is now online
[13:47:20] trurl is now online
[13:47:55] denz is now away
[13:49:16] cybergrind is now глупница
[13:49:31] denz is now online
[13:50:24] olgZZZ is now online
[13:54:17] cybergrind is now глупница
[13:55:25] olgZZZ is now online
[13:56:37] xa4a_ is now away
[13:57:20] cybergrind is now away
[13:57:21] cybergrind is now away
[13:57:47] cybergrind is now away
[13:57:49] cybergrind is now глупница
[13:59:02] al_ak is now online
[13:59:17] cybergrind is now глупница
[14:00:26] olgZZZ is now online
[14:01:01] xa4a_ is now online
[14:01:51] xa4a is now online
[14:02:08] al_ak is now online
[14:02:35] xa4a is now offline
[14:02:43] GrimbleGromble is now away
[14:04:17] cybergrind is now глупница
[14:05:26] olgZZZ is now online
[14:07:13] olgZZZ is now online
[14:09:18] cybergrind is now глупница
[14:10:23] GrimbleGromble is now online
[14:10:27] olgZZZ is now online
[14:13:27] denz is now away
[14:13:38] trurl is now away
[14:14:19] cybergrind is now глупница
[14:15:28] olgZZZ is now online
[14:16:17] klichuk is now offline
[14:16:55] denz is now online
[14:17:00] klichuk is now xa
[14:17:11] xa4a_: хм. а если в usb порту замкнуть + и - -- ничего не сгорит?.... /me паяет мышиный хвостик..
[14:17:54] al_ak is now offline
[14:17:55] al_ak is now online
[14:17:57] Большой Лис: врядли
[14:18:01] Большой Лис: врядли ничего не сгорит
[14:19:19] cybergrind is now глупница
[14:20:29] olgZZZ is now online
[14:20:41] xa4a is now online
[14:20:50] al_ak is now online
[14:21:04] GrimbleGromble is now away
[14:21:10] xa4a is now offline
[14:21:35] tilarids is now online
[14:23:38] trurl is now xa
[14:24:04] GrimbleGromble is now online
[14:24:19] cybergrind is now глупница
[14:24:54] xa4a_: вот и проверим-с.. вряд ли usb не рассчитан на то, что бы в него совали отвёртки
[14:25:30] olgZZZ is now online
[14:26:37] огыешсук: /me . o 0 (а розетки, разумеется, рассчитаны на то, что в них будут совать вилки)
[14:27:06] огыешсук is now chat
[14:28:24] dicos is now online
[14:28:32] dicos is now offline
[14:29:19] cybergrind is now глупница
[14:30:31] olgZZZ is now online
[14:30:34] GrimbleGromble is now away
[14:30:45] dicos is now online
[14:31:02] dicos is now offline
[14:34:20] cybergrind is now глупница
[14:34:49] xa4a_ is now away
[14:35:32] olgZZZ is now online
[14:35:34] GrimbleGromble is now online
[14:35:37] xa4a_ is now online
[14:35:39] xa4a_: хм. Устройство USB не опознано
[14:36:13] xa4a_: каждый раз, когда замыкаю G и V - секунду горит красный глаз, потом тухнет и венда показывает это
[14:37:09] xa4a_: или G и D
[14:39:20] al_ak is now offline
[14:39:21] cybergrind is now глупница
[14:40:10] Portnov is now away
[14:40:12] Portnov is now online
[14:40:32] olgZZZ is now online
[14:40:34] GrimbleGromble is now away
[14:41:47] dicos is now online
[14:43:18] dicos is now offline
[14:43:56] trurl is now online
[14:44:21] cybergrind is now глупница
[14:45:25] Portnov is now away
[14:45:27] Portnov is now away
[14:45:33] olgZZZ is now online
[14:46:40] dicos is now online
[14:46:47] dicos is now offline
[14:47:25] Portnov is now away
[14:47:26] Portnov is now online
[14:49:21] cybergrind is now глупница
[14:50:27] Portnov is now away
[14:50:29] Portnov is now away
[14:50:34] GrimbleGromble is now xa
[14:50:36] olgZZZ is now online
[14:52:30] Portnov is now away
[14:52:32] Portnov is now online
[14:53:44] denz is now away
[14:54:06] denz is now online
[14:54:22] cybergrind is now глупница
[14:55:32] Portnov is now away
[14:55:34] Portnov is now away
[14:55:35] GrimbleGromble is now online
[14:55:36] olgZZZ is now online
[14:57:23] tilarids is now away
[14:57:35] Portnov is now away
[14:57:36] Portnov is now online
[14:59:21] dicos is now online
[14:59:23] cybergrind is now глупница
[14:59:45] tilarids is now online
[15:00:24] dicos is now offline
[15:00:35] GrimbleGromble is now away
[15:00:36] olgZZZ is now online
[15:01:05] GrimbleGromble is now online
[15:01:13] xa4a_ is now away
[15:01:26] al_ak is now online
[15:01:43] PC is now offline
[15:04:23] cybergrind is now глупница
[15:05:36] olgZZZ is now online
[15:06:05] GrimbleGromble is now away
[15:06:52] denz is now away
[15:08:56] denz is now online
[15:09:03] tilarids is now away
[15:09:23] cybergrind is now глупница
[15:09:38] Portnov is now away
[15:09:40] Portnov is now away
[15:10:36] olgZZZ is now online
[15:14:24] cybergrind is now глупница
[15:14:35] Optik is now offline
[15:15:37] olgZZZ is now online
[15:15:50] lievil is now online
[15:16:05] GrimbleGromble is now xa
[15:16:15] tilarids is now online
[15:16:25] GrimbleGromble is now online
[15:17:04] Portnov is now away
[15:17:05] Portnov is now online
[15:17:37] kwis is now http://www.krajt.com.ua/
[15:19:25] cybergrind is now глупница
[15:19:37] non3x st is now online
[15:19:38] non3x st is now online
[15:20:22] non3x st is now online
[15:20:38] olgZZZ is now online
[15:23:03] kwis is now away
[15:24:25] cybergrind is now глупница
[15:24:36] kwis is now http://www.krajt.com.ua/
[15:24:38] tilarids is now offline
[15:25:22] non3x st is now online
[15:25:30] pzskc383 is now offline
[15:25:39] olgZZZ is now online
[15:28:07] Большой Лис is now away
[15:29:26] cybergrind is now глупница
[15:30:23] non3x st is now online
[15:30:33] al_ak is now away
[15:30:34] al_ak is now away
[15:30:39] olgZZZ is now online
[15:31:12] al_ak is now away
[15:31:12] al_ak is now online
[15:33:11] sevenov is now offline
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[15:34:27] cybergrind is now глупница
[15:35:24] non3x st is now online
[15:35:40] olgZZZ is now online
[15:38:48] Большой Лис is now online
[15:39:27] cybergrind is now глупница
[15:40:01] xa4a_ is now online
[15:40:24] non3x st is now online
[15:40:39] olgZZZ is now online
[15:40:43] kwis is now away
[15:41:24] ts33kr is now xa
[15:41:25] ts33kr is now xa
[15:43:21] ts33kr is now online
[15:43:22] ts33kr is now online
[15:44:27] cybergrind is now глупница
[15:44:34] Большой Лис: http://www.linux.org.ru/view-message.jsp?msgid=4372902
[15:44:52] ts33kr is now online
[15:45:25] non3x st is now online
[15:45:39] olgZZZ is now online
[15:45:40] kwis is now http://www.krajt.com.ua/
[15:46:52] al_ak is now offline
[15:49:28] cybergrind is now глупница
[15:49:52] ts33kr is now online
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[15:50:06] ts33kr is now away
[15:50:13] xa4a_ is now away
[15:50:25] non3x st is now online
[15:50:39] olgZZZ is now online
[15:50:57] ts33kr is now online
[15:50:58] ts33kr is now online
[15:54:29] cybergrind is now глупница
[15:54:53] ts33kr is now online
[15:55:26] non3x st is now online
[15:55:40] olgZZZ is now online
[15:58:03] pzskc383 is now xa
[15:59:09] ts33kr is now away
[15:59:10] ts33kr is now away
[15:59:15] pzskc383 is now Available
[15:59:28] cybergrind is now глупница
[15:59:54] ts33kr is now away
[16:00:14] trurl is now away
[16:00:26] non3x st is now online
[16:00:40] olgZZZ is now online
[16:04:29] cybergrind is now глупница
[16:04:53] ts33kr is now away
[16:05:27] non3x st is now online
[16:05:41] olgZZZ is now online
[16:06:17] xa4a_ is now online
[16:07:06] trurl is now online
[16:07:53] Optik is now Да, я здесь.
[16:07:54] Optik is now Да, я здесь.
[16:09:09] ts33kr is now xa
[16:09:11] ts33kr is now xa
[16:09:29] cybergrind is now глупница
[16:09:40] Portnov is now away
[16:09:41] Portnov is now away
[16:09:54] ts33kr is now xa
[16:10:27] non3x st is now online
[16:10:41] olgZZZ is now online
[16:11:42] Portnov is now away
[16:11:43] Portnov is now online
[16:13:39] Большой Лис: wmd-editor.com
был ещё какой-то конкурент
[16:13:41] Большой Лис: ктонть помнит?
[16:13:48] lievil is now away
[16:14:24] non3x st: wymeditor?
[16:14:25] trurl is now away
[16:14:30] cybergrind is now глупница
[16:14:35] sevenov: Большой Лис, markitup?
[16:14:42] Portnov is now away
[16:14:44] Portnov is now away
[16:14:47] Большой Лис: кажись маркитап
[16:14:54] ts33kr is now xa
[16:15:05] sevenov: ну он комбаин
[16:15:27] non3x st is now online
[16:15:41] olgZZZ is now online
[16:16:04] Большой Лис: non3x st, нене мне именно markdown разметка нужна там
[16:16:05] Большой Лис: а не html
[16:16:45] Portnov is now away
[16:16:46] Portnov is now online
[16:18:16] sevenov: Большой Лис, http://markitup.jaysalvat.com/examples/markdown/
[16:18:35] sevenov: или я не понимаю? )
[16:18:46] Большой Лис: оно оно да
[16:19:30] cybergrind is now глупница
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[16:20:14] igroos is now online
[16:20:28] non3x st is now online
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[16:20:40] Portnov is now online
[16:20:42] olgZZZ is now online
[16:20:42] xa4a_ is now away
[16:20:54] non3x st is now online
[16:21:22] igroos is now offline
[16:23:47] lievil is now xa
[16:24:25] trurl is now xa
[16:24:30] cybergrind is now глупница
[16:24:55] ts33kr is now xa
[16:25:13] Portnov is now away
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[16:25:41] olgZZZ is now online
[16:27:02] pzskc383 is now away
[16:27:19] Portnov is now away
[16:27:20] Portnov is now online
[16:29:31] cybergrind is now глупница
[16:29:55] ts33kr is now xa
[16:30:29] non3x st is now online
[16:30:41] olgZZZ is now online
[16:34:32] cybergrind is now глупница
[16:34:56] ts33kr is now xa
[16:35:21] xa4a_ is now online
[16:35:26] trurl is now online
[16:35:30] non3x st is now online
[16:35:41] olgZZZ is now online
[16:36:58] pzskc383 is now xa
[16:39:32] cybergrind is now глупница
[16:39:56] ts33kr is now xa
[16:40:30] non3x st is now online
[16:40:41] olgZZZ is now online
[16:44:28] pzskc383 is now Available
[16:44:32] Portnov is now offline
[16:44:33] cybergrind is now глупница
[16:44:57] ts33kr is now xa
[16:45:30] non3x st is now online
[16:45:41] olgZZZ is now online
[16:46:07] kwis is now away
[16:46:09] xa4a_ is now away
[16:46:10] non3x st is now offline
[16:47:09] trurl is now away
[16:48:47] trurl is now online
[16:49:17] xa4a_ is now online
[16:49:32] Yourfreev is now online
[16:49:33] Yourfreev is now offline
[16:49:34] cybergrind is now глупница
[16:49:58] ts33kr is now xa
[16:50:41] olgZZZ is now online
[16:50:43] Большой Лис is now away
[16:50:58] kwis is now http://www.krajt.com.ua/
[16:51:06] Большой Лис is now online
[16:51:33] krivushinme is now online
[16:52:40] denz is now away
[16:53:46] denz is now online
[16:54:33] cybergrind is now глупница
[16:54:58] trurl is now away
[16:55:00] ts33kr is now xa
[16:55:42] olgZZZ is now online
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[16:58:48] denz is now away
[16:59:21] xa4a_ is now away
[16:59:34] cybergrind is now глупница
[17:00:00] ts33kr is now xa
[17:00:17] krivushinme is now away
[17:00:42] olgZZZ is now online
[17:01:29] xa4a_ is now online
[17:04:06] denz is now online
[17:04:11] trurl is now online
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[18:09:27] Большой Лис: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%83%D1%80%D0%B0_%D0%94%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B0#.D0.94.D0.B2.D0.BE.D1.80.D0.B0.D0.BA_.D0.B4.D0.BB.D1.8F_.D0.BF.D1.80.D0.BE.D0.B3.D1.80.D0.B0.D0.BC.D0.BC.D0.B8.D1.81.D1.82.D0.BE.D0.B2
[18:09:29] Большой Лис: хмм
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[18:20:04] klichuk: эх, долго переучивать :*
[18:20:10] klichuk: *:(
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[18:32:14] Большой Лис: кто ниюудь практикует расование wireframe-ов?
[18:32:34] Большой Лис: если да, то чем? карандашом на бумаге? или может програмы какие?
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[18:36:23] pzskc383: программы есть
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[18:36:52] pzskc383: всегда когда разговор заходит о вайрфреймах, вспоминают OmniGraffle под OS X
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[18:38:23] Большой Лис: давай ограничимся линуксом
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[18:39:45] Большой Лис: dia могла бы подойти наверно, если бы там была библиотека с элементами интерфейса
[18:39:52] pzskc383: dia ._.
[18:40:03] pzskc383: ну да, только ее там нет
[18:40:09] pzskc383: попробуй гимп :(
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[18:44:36] Большой Лис: значит надо нарисовать
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[18:47:35] pzskc383: http://dub.washington.edu:2007/denim/ я вот эту хуйню в закладках нашел
[18:47:40] pzskc383: но не пробовал
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[18:51:09] Большой Лис: Yahoo! UI Stencils (YUI): Not really a tool, but rather a collection of svg images of common interface widgets.
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[18:51:32] Большой Лис: предлагают взять эту коллекцию и пихать в inkscape
[18:51:40] Большой Лис: звучит разумно
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[21:08:04] 0xd34df00d: Привет, господа.
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[21:08:35] 0xd34df00d: Жило-было одно приложение на C++/Qt. Возникло желание добавить поддержку плагинов на питоне к нему.
[21:09:05] 0xd34df00d: Хорошо, мы тут уже научили вызывать простенькие функции из питона и возвращать простые типы — инты, например.
[21:09:22] 0xd34df00d: А вот как поступить с типами данных, специфичными для Qt?
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[21:10:50] krivushinme: может стоит и KDE-шников глянуть?
[21:10:53] krivushinme: у
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[21:11:18] krivushinme: исходники же есть, питон по-моему как минимум в Krita встроен
[21:11:20] 0xd34df00d: Гуглеж по "pyqt embedding" позволил выйти на один хороший, годный гайд, но там предлагаю евент луп вытащить в пейтон, что не вариант в моем случае.
[21:12:33] krivushinme: 0xd34df00d, а критично именно на Qt заостряться? то есть питоновские плугины будут работать с Qt, фиджеты там отрисовыать?
[21:12:48] 0xd34df00d: krivushinme: да, виджеты отрисовывать, в кутешные три вью встраиваться etc.
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[21:16:14] krivushinme: Просто мне навскидку кажется, что тут скрыты серьезные сложности, по сути вопрос в том, умеет ли встраиваться pyqt в сишные проги.
Как спец по pyqt ничего предложить не могу, но чисто умозрительный вариант, который можно рассмотреть - делать интерфейс для питоновских плагинов без pyqt.
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[21:17:18] krivushinme: http://doc.trolltech.com/qq/qq23-pythonqt.html#aboutpythonqt
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[21:17:46] krivushinme: кстати вот эта ссылка звучит уже ближе к теме
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[21:18:30] 0xd34df00d: krivushinme: я же е^W долбанусь дублировать фейс всех кутешных классов.
[21:18:53] krivushinme: 0xd34df00d, ты посмотри последнюю ссылку
[21:19:00] 0xd34df00d: Щя гляну, спасибо.
[21:19:34] krivushinme: там даже есть строчка - "в отличие от pyqt, который создан для программирования отдельных приложений."
[21:19:47] krivushinme: то есть pyqt для отдельных приложений, не встройка
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[21:21:27] 0xd34df00d: О, ништяк.
[21:21:29] krivushinme: 0xd34df00d, http://bytes.com/topic/python/answers/731251-pyqt-embedded-python-qt-app еще одна, ну тут я немного глянул, вроде тоже по теме.
[21:21:44] 0xd34df00d: krivushinme: да, эту ссылку я тоже нагуглил, но там код на пейстбине просрочен )
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[21:22:25] krivushinme: ааа, ну тогда первая : ) надеюсь что то полезное я помог прочесть
[21:22:36] 0xd34df00d: krivushinme: да, помог очень )
[21:22:42] 0xd34df00d: krivushinme: щя попробуем по такому методу.
[21:22:56] krivushinme: а то вечер, уладка ламината, пиво, плохо уже соображаю
[21:23:11] 0xd34df00d: Ваще я тут ничего не делаю с этим пейтоном, просто координирую и помогаю с С++-стороны, ибо пейтон знаю довольно хреново.
[21:23:16] 0xd34df00d: Просто какбе лиддев )
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[21:23:50] krivushinme: хм, я только недавно в разработчики попал, для меня все эти ваши лиды еще внове : )
[21:24:20] 0xd34df00d: Ололо, а я самозваный, да.
[21:24:33] 0xd34df00d: Проект-то опенсорсовый, иерархия по мере развития )
[21:25:30] krivushinme: ааа, не, у нас прожект менджер тоже любит по максимум в опен сорс отдавать, но сами мы все таки закрыты по большей части - стратап.
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[21:28:37] 0xd34df00d: Осталось найти аналогичную хрень для руби, лол.
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[21:31:35] alexrussia: привет всем !!!есть кто в джанго разбирается ?
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[21:32:55] cutwater: а что ви хотите спросить?
[21:32:55] krivushinme: alexrussia, после прочтения шапки прям сразу можно вопрошать я думаю - если кто в курсе сразу и подскажет
[21:33:07] cutwater: шапку походу никто не читает
[21:33:24] krivushinme: ну я из себя привычку не читать шапку вытравил : )
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[21:33:40] cutwater: а я с первого дня в джаберах заметил и читаю
[21:33:42] krivushinme: как свою комнату завел, так и понял зачем ее надо читать
[21:33:45] cutwater: :)
[21:34:19] krivushinme: так скучно, должна быть история : )
[21:34:32] cutwater: :D
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[21:36:38] cutwater: alexrussia, так ты чего это молчишь?
[21:36:51] cutwater: видимо это и был сам вопрос.
[21:36:57] alexrussia: ок, в django.views.generic.list_object есть object_detail и object_list в чем разница между этими методами ? подробнее можно обьяснить ? один я знаю делает индивидуальный объект другой список , хотя бы пример какой нибудь приведите чтобы понять
[21:37:12] alexrussia: извините печатаю
[21:37:16] cutwater: ну для таких вопросов есть документация
[21:37:42] alexrussia: в документации один индивидуальный объект другой список
[21:38:04] alexrussia: в документации подробнее не описано
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[21:38:42] cutwater: ну это как раз их описание. что еще непонятно?
[21:39:00] cutwater: попробуй использовать их и посмотри что получится ;)
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[21:40:46] 0xd34df00d: Хмммм.
[21:40:50] 0xd34df00d: Господа, работавшие с PyQt.
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[21:41:20] 0xd34df00d: Можете глянуть на вот это: http://pythonqt.sourceforge.net/ и сказать, как оно заработает, когда мне нужно будет передать данные в/из Python, неизвестные PythonQt?
[21:41:26] 0xd34df00d: Например, QAbstractItemModel, ога.
[21:42:28] alexrussia: самое непонятное это object_detail он выдает один объект ( непонемание в том что зачем он вообще нужен если можно фильтровать object_list - тоесть выдавать также какой то один объект)
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[21:43:12] alexrussia: также такой вопрос про django и кеш
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[21:43:31] alexrussia: кто нибудь работал с memcached ?
[21:43:42] krivushinme: alexrussia, пользуйся методами и не парься - у object_list есть еще всякие там пагинаторные заскоки
[21:44:01] Spo1ler: 123
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[21:44:10] krivushinme: а у object_detail чисто проверка - есть объект с этим id? есть - страничка, нет - 404
[21:44:27] krivushinme: alexrussia, ясен пень все работали
[21:44:33] krivushinme: и работают
[21:44:42] Spo1ler: 0xd34df00d: чочо?
[21:44:43] alexrussia: а также у джанго какой кеш лучше через базу данных или файлы ?
[21:45:02] 0xd34df00d: Spo1ler: ну вот тут вот можно задавать вопросы, видимо.
[21:45:05] krivushinme: смотря для чего кеш
[21:45:22] alexrussia: для cms
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[21:46:24] alexrussia: krivushinme что значит пагиаторные заскоки вы не используете generic views ?
[21:46:38] krivushinme: alexrussia, запятые рулят : )
[21:47:19] krivushinme: пагинаторные заскоки значит, что для обработки списков свои особенности - в частности разбивка по страницам
[21:47:37] krivushinme: а я дл отдельного объекта, важно чтобы он был в бд
[21:47:43] krivushinme: иначе - 404
[21:47:52] krivushinme: а в случае со списком - пустой список
[21:48:05] krivushinme: разное поведение
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[21:48:43] alexrussia: krivushinme тоесть разбивка по страницам это вы про создании для каждого урл своего шаблона ?
[21:49:00] krivushinme: нет
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[21:49:06] cutwater: pagination
[21:49:10] cutwater: вбей в гугл
[21:49:23] krivushinme: ну блин - 20 писем из 100-а
[21:49:40] krivushinme: разбиваешь по страничкам - форум к примеру
[21:49:53] krivushinme: 10 сообщений на одну страницу
[21:50:12] krivushinme: object_list как раз умеет бить на странички
[21:50:22] krivushinme: удобная в общем штука
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[21:50:41] огыешсук: alexrussia: лучше через memcache, потом файлы, потом база, а может и не так, зависит от дискового кеша
[21:51:00] krivushinme: alexrussia, сильно зависит, что именно кешировать
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[21:51:23] krivushinme: главнуб страницу там, баннер, который все видят - в памяти лучше, чтобы диск не трогать
[21:51:31] огыешсук: /me вообще заметил, что джанга по полмегабайта в секунду гонит в memcached а читает оттель едва десяток-другой ежесекундных килобайт.
[21:51:49] alexrussia: krivushinme ааа, тоесть выводить обределенное количество объектов на странице ?
[21:52:20] krivushinme: ага
[21:52:42] krivushinme: в общем я бы не стал на первых порах сомневаться в разумности создателей джанги 6 )
[21:53:26] alexrussia: огыешсук в книгах написано что лучше memchached использовать но ведь же отсюда вывод использовать только vps
[21:53:27] krivushinme: не всегда надо все пихать в один мега универсальный метод - это как с БД - нормальзация должна иметь разумные пределы
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[21:54:05] krivushinme: alexrussia, memcache быстрее, ясен пень, он же в памяти все хранит
[21:54:10] krivushinme: коечно он лучше
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[21:54:15] krivushinme: если память есть
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[21:54:55] krivushinme: скорость памяти в сравнении с жестким диском это небо и земля
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[21:55:44] alexrussia: krivushinme я не то хотел сказать просто на виртуальный хостинг врятли разрешат поставить memchached, на большинстве хостингах с django+wsgi не видел memchached
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[21:56:16] krivushinme: alexrussia, нууу, вообще в интересах хостера
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[21:56:26] krivushinme: я конечно не в теме на этот счет
[21:56:35] krivushinme: общайся, обсуждай
[21:56:38] огыешсук: alexrussia: не, не только VPS. Обычно дедик лучше.
[21:57:00] cutwater: я бы как раз VPS купил
[21:57:00] alexrussia: огыешсук vds ?
[21:57:04] cutwater: и не мучался бы
[21:57:59] огыешсук: krivushinme: однако, БД тоже активно кешируется в памяти, так что не всё тут так уж однозначно. Вот то, что memcached`у не нужно процессить SQL это определенно его ускоряет.
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[21:58:21] alexrussia: krivushinme а если файловый кеш сравнивать с кешом в базе данных , какой лучше из них , в книгах вроде отдают предпочтение бд ?
[21:58:27] огыешсук: alexrussia: vds это другое слово для обозначения того же vps, а дедик лучше.
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[22:00:43] alexrussia: огыешсук я так понял дедик это целый сервер ?
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[22:02:50] cutwater: но они ж и стоят
[22:02:53] cutwater: как бэ не мало
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[22:04:22] огыешсук: alexrussia: а как иначе? конечно целый.
[22:04:27] alexrussia: еще такой вопрос а как проверить наличие memchached например на виртуальном хостинге , чтоб не надурили обманывая стоит ли кеш
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[22:04:54] alexrussia: огыешсук извини я не особо в сленге разбираюсь
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[22:05:40] огыешсук: на vps`е, вероятно, не стоит. сам будешь ставить, на то он и vps
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[22:06:47] alexrussia: огыешсук ну это понятно , я про виртуальный хостинг как на нем определить не знаешь ?
[22:07:16] огыешсук: так vps это и есть виртуальный хостинг, первая буква v значит не вендетта, а virtual
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[22:08:59] alexrussia: забыл еще такой вопрос : extra_content в generic views это как дополнительный queryset ?
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[22:09:22] alexrussia: огыешсук я имею в виду обычный хостинг
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[22:09:52] огыешсук: /me под "обычным" понимает дедики :o\
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[22:12:19] alexrussia: ну например sweb.ru там виртуальный хостинг и vds
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[22:12:46] alexrussia: виртуальный хостинг не позволяет устанавливать самому что то
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[22:14:09] огыешсук: Так то небось -бомжатник-shared имеется в виду. С шаредом всё совсем просто -- если чего не указано в списке фич на ихнем сайте, то этого вероятно и нету.
[22:14:13] alexrussia: виртуальный хостинг это же не vps ( это виртуальная машина )
[22:14:31] alexrussia: виртуальный хостинг это же не vps ( виртуальная машина )
[22:15:03] alexrussia: огыешсук да :)
[22:15:27] cutwater: кстати кто может хороший vps хостинг посоветовать?
[22:15:30] alexrussia: огыешсук хотя некоторые хостеры говорят что при заказе могут установить
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[22:15:36] cutwater: дедик брать дорого как бы для своих нужд
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[22:15:41] огыешсук: /me признаёт за шаредами лишь одну мега-фукнцию -- довольно задёшево получить американский IP для прослушки радио Pandora.
[22:16:00] огыешсук: cutwater: linode, ясен пень
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[22:16:23] cutwater: я сейчас на fsckvps.com пользуюсь
[22:16:32] cutwater: но как-то они совсем разочаровывают
[22:16:59] alexrussia: а из российских vps какой хороший ?
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[22:17:10] огыешсук: ой, а тут всё дико и дорого
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[22:17:17] огыешсук: лучше не соваться
[22:17:24] cutwater: российские лучше точно не брать
[22:17:31] cutwater: они в основном занимаются оверселлингом
[22:17:40] cutwater: и страшно тормознутые и дорогие
[22:18:11] огыешсук: страшен русский оверселлин -- и оверлоад и оверпрайс
[22:18:18] огыешсук: *оверселлиншг
[22:18:24] огыешсук: *оверселлинг
[22:18:26] cutwater: а где кстати ты дедик держишь?
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[22:19:56] огыешсук: а где ж ещё можно за полсотни евро в месяц иметь amd x2/4Gb/2x750Gb/2Tb? Или за те же деньги и вовсе i7/8gb, но жаба пока не позволяет такие setup fee платить за игрушки
[22:20:05] alexrussia: огыешсук но ведь оверселинг для vps не страшен там же виртуальная машина которая не отдает ресурсы ?
[22:20:29] огыешсук: alexrussia: io она тебе тоже отдаст?
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[22:21:22] огыешсук: сpu/mem ещё кое-как гарантировать можен и может, да и то в российские cpu не то, чтобы очень верю
[22:22:20] cutwater: огыешсук, я чето тебя не совсем понял
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[22:23:40] alexrussia: огыешсук тоесть заведомо ресурсы не те предоставляются ?
[22:23:44] огыешсук: собственно, я вообще не очень в VPS верю, тот же бомжатник, только в профиль; хотя подумываю на своём дедике xen поднять, для сегрегации функциональности и простоты деплоя...
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[22:25:26] alexrussia: огыешсук просто для меня для новичка еще рано соваться на западные хостинги , мне бы с хорошей поддержкой и стабильностью
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[22:25:47] огыешсук: alexrussia: понятия не имею, русскими VPS пользоваться даже не пытался, на этапе оценки цена/ресурсы русские хостеры ушли курить бамбук. Хорошего про них ничего не слышал, опять же. В отличии от.
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[22:27:03] огыешсук: /me не заметил особой разницы в русских и нерусских поддержках -- и те и те нужны крайне редко, а когда нужны и тем и тем надо на пальцах всё объяснять
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[22:28:57] огыешсук: а по стабильности русские опять в жоппе, у меня nagios периодически пищит о том, что мой сайт в зеноне опять лежит, на иностранцах же, что характерно, бывает и годами ни единого разрыва
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[22:31:56] alexrussia: огыешсук на иностранцах без идиного разрыва это - linode ?
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[22:33:45] огыешсук: это собственный дедик, где за полтора года случился ровно один разрыв на несколько минут из-за реконфигурации сети
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[22:34:37] alexrussia: огыешсук российские сайты высокий имеют отлик на иностранных серверах ? я слышал что если на российскую аудиторию сайт то лучше на российском хосте это правда ?
[22:34:51] огыешсук: нет
[22:35:14] огыешсук: это не правда
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[22:37:10] alexrussia: вы не в курсе джанго сайт на шаред хостинге может выдержать 100 посетителей активных ?
[22:37:11] огыешсук: ping в зенон 13ms, пинг до дедика 70ms -- это не те цифры, которых стоит опасаться, когда ответ джанга генерит под треть секунды
[22:37:47] огыешсук: alexrussia: мы то в курсе
[22:38:18] alexrussia: ну может быть был опыт :)
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[22:39:27] огыешсук: вот если на американском континенте хоститься, тогда да -- туда пинг треть секунды и задержка уже слегка становится заметной. То есть -- хоститься стоит на том же континенте, где живут твои основные клиенты, но вовсе не важно в той ли самой стране или на тысчёнку-другую километров южнее.
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[22:41:29] alexrussia: огыешсук ясно спасибо , значит на европейских
[22:42:12] огыешсук: alexrussia: скорее тебя раньше с бомжатника выпрут за перерасход ресурсов, чем упрёшься в практические ограничения джанги
[22:42:20] trurl is now away
[22:43:16] kwis is now http://www.krajt.com.ua/
[22:43:18] alexrussia: огыешсук не ну понятно просто у меня нету пока опыта работы с vps
[22:43:35] cybergrind is now глупница
[22:44:03] alexrussia: недавно только с джанго разобрался
[22:44:13] xa4a_ is now online
[22:44:44] огыешсук: там вполне себе следят за расходом ресурсов и присылают уведомления если что (а могут и поребутить), дедик в этом отношении лучше, хоть la 20 держи -- пока сам не заметишь, никто и не почешется.
[22:44:45] alexrussia: наверно начну с djangohosting.ru потом на vps перейду
[22:45:36] XIT is now dnd
[22:45:42] ts33kr is now xa
[22:45:50] огыешсук: лучше webfaction хоть он и в техасе, там ты узнаешь что такое отзывчивая поддержка
[22:46:11] klichuk: угу, я с ними говорил по телефону даже.
[22:46:24] olgZZZ is now online
[22:47:01] klichuk: вебфакшн бери, не пожалеешь.
[22:47:14] Большой Лис is now online
[22:47:44] klichuk: хотя да, то что он в техасе, немножко ощутимо.
[22:47:45] alexrussia: есть еще diphost.ru на запас если на первом плохая поддержка , насчет diphost.ru знакомые есть подержка хорошо работает
[22:47:59] XIT is now dnd
[22:48:00] XIT is now dnd
[22:48:07] alexrussia: вебфакшн там же на английском будет поддержка ?
[22:48:11] klichuk: да
[22:48:12] огыешсук: это всё русские, а значит тормозные и дорогие
[22:48:28] klichuk: на британском :)
[22:48:36] cybergrind is now глупница
[22:48:39] огыешсук: и функционально обрезанные по самое
[22:49:29] kwis is now away
[22:49:53] alexrussia: огыешсук дорогие это да ну есть нормальные в смысле стабильности
[22:50:08] cybergrind is now away
[22:50:09] cybergrind is now away
[22:50:36] XIT is now dnd
[22:50:41] огыешсук: не верю
[22:50:43] ts33kr is now xa
[22:50:47] cybergrind is now away
[22:50:48] cybergrind is now глупница
[22:51:25] olgZZZ is now online
[22:52:00] Spo1ler is now away
[22:52:19] trurl is now xa
[22:52:48] Большой Лис is now away
[22:53:37] cybergrind is now глупница
[22:55:36] XIT is now dnd
[22:55:43] ts33kr is now xa
[22:56:25] olgZZZ is now online
[22:57:44] огыешсук is now offline
[22:58:38] alexrussia is now offline
[22:58:39] cybergrind is now глупница
[23:00:37] XIT is now dnd
[23:00:41] cutwater is now away
[23:00:44] ts33kr is now xa
[23:01:25] olgZZZ is now online
[23:02:50] Большой Лис is now xa
[23:03:38] cybergrind is now глупница
[23:05:37] XIT is now dnd
[23:05:45] ts33kr is now xa
[23:05:52] cybergrind is now глупница
[23:05:53] cybergrind is now глупница
[23:06:11] 0xd34df00d is now away
[23:06:26] olgZZZ is now online
[23:07:19] olgZZZ is now xa
[23:07:20] olgZZZ is now xa
[23:08:25] cutwater is now online
[23:08:39] cybergrind is now глупница
[23:09:42] Большой Лис is now online
[23:10:37] XIT is now dnd
[23:10:45] ts33kr is now xa
[23:11:26] olgZZZ is now xa
[23:13:08] 0xd34df00d is now online
[23:13:41] cybergrind is now глупница
[23:14:16] alexrussia is now online
[23:14:18] trurl is now online
[23:14:28] kwis is now http://www.krajt.com.ua/
[23:14:56] alexrussia is now offline
[23:14:57] GrimbleGromble is now away
[23:15:38] XIT is now dnd
[23:15:46] ts33kr is now xa
[23:16:27] olgZZZ is now xa
[23:16:42] Большой Лис is now away
[23:17:57] GrimbleGromble is now online
[23:18:42] cybergrind is now глупница
[23:19:29] kwis is now away
[23:20:15] trurl is now away
[23:20:38] XIT is now dnd
[23:20:46] ts33kr is now xa
[23:21:21] trurl is now online
[23:21:28] olgZZZ is now xa
[23:23:43] cybergrind is now глупница
[23:24:17] olgZZZ is now online
[23:24:18] olgZZZ is now online
[23:25:38] XIT is now dnd
[23:25:47] ts33kr is now xa
[23:26:25] trurl is now away
[23:26:28] olgZZZ is now online
[23:26:42] Большой Лис is now xa
[23:28:44] cybergrind is now глупница
[23:28:46] xa4a_ is now away
[23:28:47] cutwater is now away
[23:30:09] xa4a_ is now online
[23:30:39] XIT is now dnd
[23:30:47] ts33kr is now xa
[23:30:59] Spo1ler is now online
[23:31:28] olgZZZ is now online
[23:32:37] GrimbleGromble is now away
[23:33:30] Большой Лис is now online
[23:33:46] cybergrind is now глупница
[23:34:06] Optik is now offline
[23:35:39] XIT is now dnd
[23:35:48] ts33kr is now xa
[23:36:25] trurl is now xa
[23:36:29] olgZZZ is now online
[23:37:37] GrimbleGromble is now online
[23:38:46] cybergrind is now глупница
[23:38:47] cutwater is now xa
[23:40:40] XIT is now dnd
[23:40:48] ts33kr is now xa
[23:41:29] olgZZZ is now online
[23:42:37] GrimbleGromble is now away
[23:42:46] Большой Лис is now offline
[23:43:47] cybergrind is now глупница
[23:45:41] XIT is now dnd
[23:45:48] ts33kr is now xa
[23:46:29] olgZZZ is now online
[23:48:47] cybergrind is now глупница
[23:49:21] krivushinme is now offline
[23:50:41] XIT is now dnd
[23:50:47] ts33kr is now xa
[23:51:07] GrimbleGromble is now online
[23:51:30] olgZZZ is now online
[23:53:48] cybergrind is now глупница
[23:55:42] XIT is now dnd
[23:55:49] ts33kr is now xa
[23:56:08] GrimbleGromble is now away
[23:56:31] olgZZZ is now online
[23:58:17] xa4a_ is now away
[23:58:49] cybergrind is now глупница