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[10:14:36] nmk: "widget class `GtkPizza' has no property" ...
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[10:21:35] Sevenov: nmk, бери с гугла пример, заказ пиццы делай на пхп.
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[10:21:50] nmk: да это ворнинги из filezilla
[10:22:45] nmk: они почему-то считают что в релизной версии надо это говно на stdout или stderr (кто их там разберет) поливать
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[10:35:41] alecs: ребят , поясните плиз почему я не прав : invalidate_template_cache(fragment_name="categories_index", 'asdf', *args, **kwargs) - SyntaxError: non-keyword arg after keyword arg
[10:36:01] wiz: тут не поясните надо
[10:36:02] alecs: хотя если перенести 'asdf' перед fragment_name - всё ок
[10:36:03] wiz: а "переведите"
[10:36:10] alecs: нет , именно поясните
[10:36:16] wiz: нет именно переведите
[10:36:37] alecs: ))) ну поскольку ты не админ на ченнеле , то я тебе в глаз - ты мне в ухо
[10:36:46] alecs: ;-)
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[10:36:49] alecs: почему так нельзя ?
[10:36:55] wiz: бял
[10:37:02] wiz: мне тебе в гугль транслейт ссылку дать?
[10:37:06] wiz: там всё написано
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[10:37:42] alecs: выходит строго сначала идут не ключи , потом с ключом
[10:38:45] Ляпатяпа: Сначала идут порядковые, потом - именованные
[10:38:50] Ляпатяпа: это закон
[10:38:56] Sevenov: alecs, ('foo', *args, bar='value', **kwargs)
[10:39:15] wiz: foo bar=value *ars *kwargs
[10:39:20] alecs: да , я просто хотел уточнить что это действительно так
[10:39:26] Sevenov: wiz, да :D
[10:39:33] alecs: wiz: можешь считать сегодня себя гениальным
[10:39:41] wiz: я всегда считаю
[10:39:53] alecs: а зря
[10:39:57] wiz: да не, всё ок
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[10:40:19] mishok13: правильный ответ: такова семантика
[10:40:43] wiz: правильный ответ: так накодили (ж
[10:40:56] Sevenov: А, да. Утро, чятик.
[10:41:03] mishok13: http://docs.python.org/reference/expressions.html#calls
[10:41:15] mishok13: слава богу
[10:41:25] mishok13: у питона с докой по семантике всё в порядке
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[10:42:59] mishok13: во всяком случае result undefined в питоне встречается намного реже чем в C++03
[10:45:05] _lorien: argument_list ::= positional_arguments ["," keyword_arguments]
["," "*" expression] ["," keyword_arguments]
["," "**" expression]
а почему после *expression опять идёт ,keyword_arguments ?
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[10:46:15] mishok13: потому что с 2.6 можно делать func(foo, bar, *args, baz=42)
[10:46:31] mishok13: в 2.5 нельзя было
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[10:48:26] _lorien: ясненько
[10:48:47] _lorien: /me устарел
[10:48:48] Sevenov: Хм.
[10:48:50] Sevenov: ˁ•˳•ˀ → ʕ·ᴥ·ʔ → ʕΘᴥΘʔ → ʕʘᴥʘʔ → ʕ●˳●ʔ → ʕ×˳×ʔ
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[14:21:50] огыешсук: piranha: а твой project-root таки работает?
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[14:22:18] огыешсук: А мне жалуется, что не может найти .project-roots и не работает.
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[14:32:41] piranha: хммм
[14:32:51] piranha: там надо походу добавить логику на создание этого файла
[14:32:57] piranha: сделай touch ~/.emacs.d/.project-roots
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[14:38:40] огыешсук: сделал, всё одно не работает
[14:38:55] огыешсук: End of file during parsing пишет
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[15:00:38] piranha: огыешсук: от срань :(
[15:00:46] piranha: занят щас, освобожусь - попробую пофиксить
[15:01:40] _lorien: надо было vim юзать
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[15:49:13] Sevenov: ++ vim
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[15:53:49] огыешсук: не, я им пользовался 7 лет, хватит! теперь только emacs
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[15:55:06] Sevenov: огыешсук, заюзай текстмейт.
[15:55:24] огыешсук: а это не что-то яблочное?
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[15:55:54] nmk: Sevenov: поребрик сити. как тебе? :)
[15:56:40] Sevenov: nmk, а знаешь отличие шаурмы и шваермы? В шаурму добавляют бордюр, а в шаверму поребрик.
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[15:57:02] nmk: я думаю и там и там основной ингридиент это городская дичь.
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[15:57:11] nmk: поэтому пох как называй ;)
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[15:57:18] Sevenov: джамшутов добавляют?
[15:57:29] Sevenov: С кусочками армянина.
[15:58:16] _lorien: мне нравится шаурма
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[15:58:48] Sevenov: _lorien, тебе никогда человеческие пиписьки не попадались?
[15:59:05] _lorien: Sevenov, а фиг знает, оно ж пошинкованное, может, и попадались )
[15:59:14] _lorien: вообще пиписьки в хотдогах )
[15:59:25] Sevenov: там сосиски.
[15:59:29] Sevenov: /me зануда.
[15:59:33] _lorien: Да? Хм, не знал.
[15:59:45] Sevenov: к сожалению, да.
[15:59:55] _lorien: думаешь пиписьки вкуснее?
[16:00:07] Sevenov: Я пока не пробовал.
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[16:01:47] Sevenov:
Lauzz: Сделай мне комплимент, а то все врмя одни пакости говоришь...
Anny: Я не умею(
Lauzz: "Ты" + хорошее слово + =*
Anny: Ты шаверма
Anny: =*
Lauzz: Ооооу детка.... тебе еще учиться и учиться -__-
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[17:49:52] nmk: какая есть сотфина под винду которая на ipod touch музыку бы залила? itunes предлагает грохнуть все что там есть и залить :) под линуксом я не смог подклчюить ;)
[17:50:53] _lorien: гавноэпл
[17:51:03] nmk: да пиздец
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[19:03:44] _lorien: Это... чо человеку следует прочитать в первую очередь, чтобы начать джангу изучать?
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[19:04:44] deepwalker: туториал наверное
[19:05:21] _lorien: Правда он ещё питона не знает :)
[19:05:24] _lorien: хех
[19:05:43] Ляпатяпа: фу, какой отсталый человек
[19:05:52] Ляпатяпа: даже пятон не знает
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[19:08:21] Darth Лис: _lorien: следует прочитать http://guides.rubyonrails.org/
[19:08:24] Darth Лис: ;)
[19:08:48] Ляпатяпа: а что, РоР - торт?
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[19:09:23] pr0ks: Joes: А насколько стабильно API Сварги в части моделей? Хочу монго, вот размышляю стоит ли писать бэкенд самому
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[19:10:06] Joes: pr0ks: у нас есть обсуждение
[19:10:08] Joes: в багтрекере
[19:11:10] pr0ks: Мм.. ок, гляну
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[19:11:50] pr0ks: На bitbucket, ага?
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[19:13:01] deepwalker: pr0ks, лучше помоги мне
[19:13:14] deepwalker: правда если у нас взгляды совпадут : )
[19:13:46] deepwalker: http://github.com/Deepwalker/mongomodels
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[19:14:19] Ляпатяпа: я слабо представляю, как может быть единый интерфейс у бэкендов реляционных и монго
[19:14:34] Ляпатяпа: или там порезано будет в части списков и словарей?
[19:15:32] pr0ks: там как я понял модели "сквозные", и если поле незнакомо обработчику, будет передано бэкенду.. т.е. добавить ListField не проблема
[19:15:45] Ляпатяпа: а насчет админки?
[19:16:04] deepwalker: а для админки надо мету генерить
[19:16:05] pr0ks: deepwalker, да-да, я уже смотрел mongomodels :)
[19:16:14] deepwalker: pr0ks, что скажешь плохого?
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[19:17:01] deepwalker: на удивление плохое полезнее для развития : )
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[19:17:24] Ляпатяпа: mongomodels же на mongoobject основано?
[19:17:30] deepwalker: можно сказать нет
[19:17:44] deepwalker: у них не осталось общего
[19:17:53] deepwalker: ну в паре мест
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[19:17:57] Ляпатяпа: а красивая документация есть?
[19:18:03] _lorien: > беглым взглядом пробежался.... джанго это что типа апача?
[19:18:09] deepwalker: хмм, ну ее доточить надо
[19:18:10] pr0ks: deepwalker: плохого ничего не скажу :)
[19:18:38] Ляпатяпа: во, а чем mongokit не понравился?
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[19:18:58] Ляпатяпа: я его поюзал, но он мне надоел
[19:18:59] deepwalker: блин, чем то не понравился :) или я его тогда еще не видел
[19:19:09] deepwalker: а почему надоел?
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[19:19:56] Ляпатяпа: а хз, что-то не понравилось, уже не помню что
но самое главное - он сменил интерфейс и надо на одном проекте переписывать модели
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[20:59:29] lievil: доброй ночи
[20:59:31] lievil: http://dpaste.com/184625/
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[21:00:30] lievil: что можно сделать чтобы результат был не конструктор класса B\nконструктор класса A\nконструктор класса B\nконструктор класса A\n111\n а конструктор класса B\nконструктор класса A\nконструктор класса B\n1
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[21:18:13] piranha is now Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication
[21:18:23] piranha: Typhon: забил я таки на лайбах...
[21:18:54] Typhon: piranha, печально, а чочо так?
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[21:19:34] piranha: Typhon: хз, подумал, и решил шо не хо
[21:19:41] piranha: тупой, наверное, потом жалеть буду )
[21:19:50] piranha: ладно, я в принципе могу сдать билет и купить новый есличо)
[21:19:58] piranha: а ты время их выступления знаешь?
[21:20:06] Typhon: 8 вечера, емнип
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[21:20:30] Typhon: у меня офис рабочий в двух шагах от места проведения
[21:20:39] Typhon: как раз после работы ^_^
[21:20:56] Typhon: а, не, в 9 вечера они
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[21:22:18] piranha: хех
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[21:22:29] piranha: еще подумаю :-)
[21:22:55] piranha: огыешсук: только что пушнул фикс для проджект-рута
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[21:23:18] Typhon: lievil, не совсем понял, чо ты хошь, из-за всяких "\n" в твоем тексте, но появилось ощущение, что ты хочешь при создании двух разных экземпляров одного класса, иметь разное поведение, а это тупо :)
[21:23:56] piranha: а ты как телепат ничо так...
[21:24:05] piranha: я прочитал и не уловил этого :)
[21:24:30] piranha: короче, приезжаю я в москву 16 числа
[21:24:41] piranha: а уезжаю пока что 19 вечером
[21:24:50] piranha: но мне еще надо какое-то время забронировать на родственников, думаю ))))
[21:25:09] Typhon: пусть тоже идут на концерт, в баре пообщаетесь )
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[21:25:15] piranha: гг
[21:25:26] piranha: не, на концерт они вряд ли пойдут )
[21:25:29] piranha: http://vimeo.com/7670880
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[21:49:57] lievil: я грубо говоря хочу вот что
чтобы был класс Jid и чтобы у него был дочерний класс Server
[21:50:11] lievil: так что вот этот дочерний класс был для всех Jid один
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[21:50:48] lievil: т.е. я делаю jid1=Jid() jid2=Jid() jid3=Jid() ... jidn=Jid() jidn+1=Jid() и у них у всех общий класс Server
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[21:51:11] lievil: Jid и Server — образно
[21:51:20] lievil: как пример
[21:52:01] lievil: или вот класс LogicVolume(object) и VirtualVolume(LogicVolume)
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[21:52:49] lievil: так нельзя сделать?
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[21:59:10] Typhon: lievil, тебе какую задачу решить надо? есть мнение, что ты ересь хочешь какую-то. судя по описанию, ты хочешь, создавая экземляры родительского класса, получать экземпляры дочернего. принципе, __new__ и вперед, но тебе зачем такое? :)
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[22:05:30] lievil: Typhon, ну а вот пример с LogicVolume и VirtualVolume не катит разве ?
[22:06:42] Typhon: пример? ты там написал родительский и дочерний класс. и чо? :) какую практическую задачу ты хочешь решить?
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[22:12:42] Typhon: я кнешн, телепатией, примерно придумал, что ты можешь хотеть чтобы был некий _инстанс_ родительского класса, который умел создавать _инстансы_ дочернего класса, а те хранили в полях своих ссылку на этот инстанс родительского класса, но тогда не вижу ничего затруднительного в реализации этого
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[22:18:04] lievil: я хочу сделать жабер бота
[22:18:10] lievil: для системы уведомлений
[22:18:21] lievil: так как один контакт лист не может держать много контактов
[22:18:31] lievil: то один демон будет работать с несколькими такими ботами
[22:18:45] lievil: нужно чтобы у них был общий список контактов
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[22:19:15] lievil: грубо говоря есть четыре объекта
[22:19:42] lievil: Ростер и зависимые от него Клиент1 Клиент2 Демон
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[22:20:16] lievil: демон запрашивает в ростере в каком клиенте находится нужный контакт
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[22:20:35] lievil: Клиент записывает в общий Ростер контакт новый
[22:20:44] wiz: и в чём проблема?
[22:20:57] lievil: эм
[22:21:20] lievil: я хочу чтобы вот так было Roster(object) , Jabber(Roster), Daemon(Roster)
[22:21:36] lievil: и чтобы у всех объектов у которых лочерний Roster он был уникальным
[22:21:41] lievil: вот что
[22:21:47] Typhon: Daemon(Roster) -> нахуй? :)
[22:21:50] wiz: roster = {}
Daemon
.... roster['foo'] = bar
Jabber
.... roster['eggs'] = spam
[22:21:58] lievil: некрасиво (
[22:22:05] lievil: global делать везде
[22:22:19] wiz: ну во первых не обязательно глобал
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[22:22:32] wiz: во вторых ты его в ините можешь подцеплять или ещё где угодно
[22:22:39] lievil: а так в Jabber addContact(contact)
[22:22:49] lievil: в Daemon getJabber(contact)
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[22:23:04] lievil: getJabber и addContact методы Roster
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[22:23:23] lievil: а как можно мержить ?
[22:23:42] wiz: возьми бумажку и нарисуй всё это
[22:23:46] wiz: у тебя в голове каша
[22:24:23] lievil: эм
[22:24:29] lievil: я просто плохо излагаю мысли
[22:24:37] lievil: я щас псевдо код напишу
[22:24:39] wiz: таки про то и речь
[22:25:01] wiz: не надо код
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[22:25:27] wiz: бумажка, ручка, схема
[22:25:41] wiz: и распутывай до посинения свои мержи-фигержи
[22:25:54] Typhon: http://antilamer.livejournal.com/315621.html?thread=2354661#t2354661
[22:25:55] wiz: до кода там ещё пахать и пахать
[22:26:22] Typhon: lievil, тебе стихотворение по ссылке :)
[22:27:17] wiz: кто-нибудь знает жабер клиент который можно собрать и заточить под один домен?
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[22:27:22] wiz: ну типа яонлайн, только на свой
[22:27:46] Typhon: wiz, а гаджим попилить, если?
[22:28:00] wiz: нехоцца... он больно хардкорен
[22:28:04] wiz: и под венду неахти
[22:28:12] wiz: нужно что-то казуальное
[22:28:12] Typhon: нормально, под венду
[22:28:18] Typhon: я ща сижу )
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[22:58:02] lievil: а у меня получилось
[22:58:06] lievil: как ни странно
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[22:58:20] lievil: Typhon,
[22:58:22] lievil: показать?
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[22:59:16] Typhon: покажи ( paste.in.ua )
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[23:13:28] lievil: http://dpaste.com/184655/
[23:13:29] lievil: вот
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[23:17:43] Darth Лис: кто нибудь с sugarCRM сталкивался?
[23:17:48] Darth Лис: чо она вообще делает? %)
[23:18:13] Typhon: lievil, pep8; 7, 20, 35 строки -- pass не нужен; 17, 19 строка -- заменить на X if Y else Z или на обычны if statement; мб, имеет смысл использовать для словарей defaultdict с конструктором list'а в кач-ве дефолта. это если бегло :)
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[23:18:46] Typhon: Darth Лис, ну CRM, когда смотрел -- была на php, емнип, здоровая и с кучей модулей
[23:19:06] Darth Лис: она и есть на пхп досихпор...
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[23:19:20] Darth Лис: я демку запустил, так и не понял в чём смысл
[23:19:36] Darth Лис: дичайшее нагромождение всевозможной хуйни в меню
[23:19:51] Darth Лис: я запутался через 0.21 секунды :D
[23:20:20] Typhon: :D типа наверное нужно модули какие-то только подрубить и будет получше, хотя все эти crm и erp монструозные, те что я видел :(
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[23:35:24] kost-bebix: Всем привет. Подскажите, пожалуйста, как выключить экранирование не-ASCII символов в питоновской консоли. Никто не знает, часом, как это делается?
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[23:41:38] kost-bebix: Я так понял, что для 2й ветки единственные решения -- http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3138/ (Alternate Solutions)
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