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[01:10:19] Домовичок: кто знает как можно запустить питон на сервере кроме тунельной консоли?
[01:10:33] Домовичок: или кто знает норм хостинг с консолей
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[09:46:29] лорд Морфий: Привет !!!
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[09:49:13] лорд Морфий: А никто не подскажет, как питониклайк разбить строку на равные куски строку, например есть строка "ABC123abc" -> "ABC","123","abc", те разбиваем все на куски по три символа.
[09:50:28] лорд Морфий: я как-то подобное для разбивки ip делал, а вот вспомнить не могу :(
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[10:12:06] _lorien: [s[x : x + 3] for x in xrange(0, len(s), 3)]
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[10:14:24] wiz: этот вопрос надо в топик чтоль уже поставить
[10:15:09] xa4a: _lorien: фуфу
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[10:15:20] wiz: xa4a, покажи нам класс
[10:15:32] _lorien: реально вопрос подзаебал :)
[10:15:39] xa4a: from itertools import izip; def regroup(l,n): izip(*[iter(l)]*n)
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[10:16:12] wiz: фууу
[10:17:24] _lorien: даже не представляю что оно делает :)
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[10:18:55] wiz: list(regroup('dfsdfhdksjhfZ', 3))
[('d', 'f', 's'), ('d', 'f', 'h'), ('d', 'k', 's'), ('j', 'h', 'f')]

[10:19:09] wiz: lorie(3, 'dfsdfhdksjhfZ')
['dfs', 'dfh', 'dks', 'jhf', 'Z']
[10:19:13] wiz: ещё и элементы ест
[10:19:15] wiz: q:
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[10:22:36] wiz: и в 3 раза медленее
[10:22:58] wiz: /me скучает в офисе
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[10:29:45] огыешсук: /me позавтракал и собирается сходить поскучать в офис
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[10:51:32] deepwalker: заметил, что после чтения доки по хаскелю одинарные кавычки напрягают
[10:51:59] xa4a: после пары лет пхп - двойные напрягали
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[10:54:04] piranha: после лиспа кучи разных знаков напрягают
[10:54:06] deepwalker: я вообще пока считаю, что с синтаксисом у хаскеля плоховато
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[10:54:37] xa4a: я думаю ты один из немногих, кто так считает
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[10:55:44] deepwalker: ну тех, кто все таки мучает хаскель вобщем то и так немного, относительно : )
[10:55:47] mishok13: после APL меня напрягает ASCII
[10:57:17] лорд Морфий: спасибо всем, прошу всех прощения за дилетанский вопрос :(((((((
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[11:08:49] mishok13: а что такого дилетантского в вопросе?
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[11:09:47] wiz: обычное нежелание пораскинуть мозгом (=
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[11:10:14] лорд Морфий: mishok13: по идее я его должен был сам написать....:( не желание было, и время было..чего-то просто в башке не связывается и помню, что раньше это у меня как-то нормально все проистекало
[11:10:35] wiz: бывает, да..
[11:10:36] лорд Морфий: мобыть это виски с утра ?
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[11:10:58] wiz: /me считает, что алкоголь и код несовместимы
[11:11:09] wiz: с исключением в виде пика Балмера лол
[11:11:24] лорд Морфий: наверное :( но как-то уж пошло...а тут ... :)
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[11:17:34] mishok13: нифига
[11:17:57] wiz: а кто вот знает как в psql добавить колонку в опр. позицию а не в конец?
[11:17:58] mishok13: бокал хорошего красного сухого с утра -- и код льется сам собой
[11:18:05] mishok13: wiz, эээ
[11:18:09] mishok13: ШТО
[11:18:16] wiz: mishok13, а потом смотришь на него и говоришь WTFлол?
[11:18:27] mishok13: нифига, у меня всё ок
[11:18:31] wiz: postgresql
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[11:18:41] wiz: alter table add column blabla after old_column;
[11:18:48] wiz: как это правильно пишется?
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[11:19:42] mishok13: но, зачем?
[11:20:08] xa4a: ну, во-первых это красиво..
[11:20:16] mishok13: а view сделать?
[11:20:21] mishok13: если уж красота нужна
[11:20:30] wiz: это вы про пг сейчас?..
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[11:21:00] wiz: /me решил через dump/reset/load 7:
[11:21:28] mishok13: в общем-то, я не понимаю какой в этом смысл :/
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[11:22:05] mishok13: это дает какой-то выигрыш, разве?
[11:22:06] wiz: чтобы при select * всё шло в таком же порядке, как и в модели например
[11:22:41] wiz: ну и по \t table показывалась не куча-мала, а сгруппированно
[11:22:52] xa4a: select * - не кошерно
[11:23:09] mishok13: хуже только from blah import *
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[11:27:52] wiz: оба-на!
[11:28:43] wiz: /me ВНЕЗАПНО понял почему в джанге не хотят фиксить search_fields и прочие опции админки на автоопределение списков/стрингов
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[11:29:13] wiz: потому что "x = 'a'," вполне катит за список и всего-то надо запятую в конец поставить
[11:29:31] wiz: /me пошёл вычищать из кода x = ('a',)
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[11:34:51] deepwalker: wiz, а почему?
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[11:37:16] wiz: потому что x = 1, 2, 3 это тоже тапл
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[11:39:34] deepwalker: я просто не в теме, что за search_fields
[11:39:40] deepwalker: пойду гляну, для развития
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[11:40:49] deepwalker: а не хотят фиксить что? я там смотрю, это список
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[11:41:03] wiz: ну там надо указывать search_fields = ("date", "text", "title")
[11:41:13] wiz: частая ошибка нубов это указать s_f = "text"
[11:41:29] wiz: и получить ошибку "ояебу у меня нет таких полей t, e, x, t !!11"
[11:41:44] deepwalker: а достаточно в конце поставить `,` ?
[11:41:52] deepwalker: понял
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[11:41:57] wiz: поэтому начинаются извраты в духе ["text"] и ("text",)
[11:42:10] wiz: и вайн на тему fix it now!
[11:42:23] deepwalker: ну действительно, лишняя проверка
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[12:42:37] nmk: а никто никогда не заморчивался с "more like this", ну, типа того как это в solr'е сделано? т.е. допустим в магазине есть какая-нибудь конфета, и надо показать что чаще всего с нею покупают.
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[12:42:37] wiz: /me ковырял
[12:42:37] wiz: всё просто на самом деле
[12:42:37] wiz: есть питонолибы
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[12:42:37] nmk: я склоняюсь сейчас к редису и к пересечению сетов у него
[12:42:37] nmk: а по каким кейвордам поискать питонлибы?
[12:42:37] wiz: /me читал книжку и курил экзамплы, но в практику не пускал
[12:42:37] nmk: что-то свое ковырял или уже есть готовое что-то?
[12:42:37] wiz: сек, найду
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[12:42:37] wiz: для начала можешь пробежаться по google://python+clustering
[12:42:37] nmk: спасибо, погляжу
[12:42:37] wiz: так сразу не могу вспомнить, приду домой гляну как называется
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[12:43:22] xa4a: google://collaborative+filtering
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[12:43:57] xa4a: конкретнее можешь посмотреть первую часть книжки programming collective intelligence, там про системы рекоммендаций с примерами на питоне
[12:44:17] wiz: вововово
[12:44:18] wiz: оно
[12:44:35] wiz: xa4a спас мой моск
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[12:44:48] nmk: спасибо большое. :)
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[12:46:14] wiz: http://www.books.ru/shop/books/586615
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[12:47:07] nmk: даже на русском. спасибо.
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[13:00:06] nmk: ?
[13:00:06] nmk: ну это кореша одного
[13:00:06] Sevenov: Ааа. Думал ты в селектеле работаешь )
[13:00:06] Sevenov: Мир слишком тесен.
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[13:00:06] Sevenov: nmk, о, пыщь.
[13:00:06] Sevenov: это не твоя там объява про селектел?
[13:00:06] nmk: а ты там работаешь что-ли? :)
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[13:00:06] Sevenov: Не, друг там работает.
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[13:00:06] nmk: да. тесен ;)
[13:00:06] Sevenov: Там же весь инфобокс тусит )
[13:00:06] nmk: инфобокс
[13:00:06] Sevenov: втф иб?
[13:00:06] nmk: а друг из иб?
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[13:00:30] nmk: а. ясн. ну. наверное. кореш мой он из иб туда пришел.
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[13:01:03] Sevenov: Если взять, что их сотрудников всего 20 человек, то 18 будут из иб :3
[13:01:13] nmk: не.
[13:01:15] nmk: врядли.
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[13:01:22] Sevenov: ну да
[13:01:25] nmk: в иб просто столько небыло. хотя. уже может так и есть.
[13:01:26] Sevenov: это я приукрашиваю.
[13:01:45] Sevenov: из иб кто-то ушел делать всякие intv.ru, например.
[13:01:57] nmk: хм. а откуда ты все это знаешь? :)
[13:06:04] Sevenov: :3
[13:06:04] Sevenov: Я же не сижу сутками в интернетах.
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[13:06:04] Sevenov: Да и IT не такой уж большой.
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[13:30:22] nmk: Sevenov: но все таки источник всех этих знаний должен быть :)
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[13:32:42] Sevenov: nmk, общаюсь с разными людьми.
[13:32:48] Sevenov: много знакомых, так сказать.
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[13:33:26] nmk: ну иб наверное действтиельно разросся. когда я оттуда уходил там было совсем не много народу.
[13:33:38] nmk: ну не считая всех там менеджеров и прочих
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[14:28:49] kwis: народ, подскажите пожалуйста, пытаюсь поднять сайтик на джанго, апач + mod-wsgi. В эррор.лог пишет такую ошибку
[Mon Apr 19 14:26:26 2010] [error] Exception KeyError: KeyError(-1215727872,) in <module 'threading' from '/usr/lib/python2.6/threading.pyc'> ignored
что это за беда???
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[14:31:46] wiz: налицо очень сильное колдунство
[14:32:00] kwis: сам в шоке
[14:32:12] kwis: вроде бы должно было заработать, а не хочет
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[14:32:40] kwis: делал как http://piranha.org.ua/blog/2007/10/05/apache--modwsgi--django/ написано
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[14:34:04] kwis: ошибка возникает во время рестарта апача а не запроса к сайту
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[14:36:05] kwis: когда пускаю под джангосервером - работает, когда пытаюсь через апач - нет
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[14:40:36] mishok13: эти гребаные аборигены
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[14:53:48] Sevenov: mishok13, аборигены - ок.
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[15:27:06] nmk: смотрю devconf, Шумаков будет рассказывать про redis в python секции. он же пхпыст вроде как
[15:27:09] nmk: Шумков :)
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[15:27:25] Sevenov: nmk, он вместо пираньи )
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[15:27:47] Sevenov: Кста, на девконф могла бы быть великолепная четверка: пиранья, андрей попп, барбуза и я.
[15:27:56] Sevenov: Все мы будем питаться ДЖАНГОЙ
[15:28:06] nmk: мне интересно про редис вот это
* Транзакции
Целостность и атомарность выполнения набора команд.
[15:28:56] nmk: хотя нет. уже все понятно.
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[15:44:06] qrezy: есть вопрос по Django
[15:44:17] qrezy: здесь уместно его задать
[15:44:19] qrezy: ?
[15:44:59] Sevenov: qrezy, здесь опасно его задать.
[15:45:01] Sevenov: задавай.
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[15:47:15] qrezy: вопрос первый
[15:47:33] qrezy: как делать разбивку проекта на приложения....по функционалу или про объектам модели?
[15:47:46] Sevenov: по логике.
[15:48:39] qrezy: вопрос второй
как написать отдельное приложение, которое можно будет тасткать из проекта в проект...
к примеру приложение для работы с картой гугл...
у меня карта гугл привязанна к объетам из других приложений
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[15:49:44] Ляпатяпа: отвязать их от этих объектов
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[15:50:11] _lorien: qrezy, сделай привязку через GenericForeignKey
[15:50:17] _lorien: или пусть объекты других приложений ссылаются на карту )
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[15:55:42] qrezy: _lorien: тоесть в приложение подгужать from geo import *
и использовать что то вроде geo.create для создания карты?
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[15:57:06] _lorien: qrezy, я не телепат, я не знаю, что у тебя в geo.* и в geo.create
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[15:57:57] qrezy: _lorien: к примеру в geo есть функция create которая создает карту и возвращает объект созданной карты
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[15:58:10] gigimon: qrezy: ссылаться не в твоей апликухе к чему-то, а из чего-то к твоей апликухе
[15:58:21] _lorien: я всё равно не понял ничего, но если всё работает, то я не против ;-)
[15:58:22] gigimon: если это привязано
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[15:59:15] _lorien: да вроде был вопрос про ссылки между моделями, а потом какие-то create функции.. чо к чему?
[15:59:16] qrezy: gigimon: "ссылаться не в твоей апликухе к чему-то, а из чего-то к твоей апликухе" - можно на примере
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[15:59:31] _lorien: т.е. был вопрос про модель, а потом на логику съехали
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[16:01:11] gigimon: qrezy: эм, ну почеу ты щас не можешь отделить аппликуху?
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[16:02:55] qrezy: потому что у меня в модели описывающей карту...есть ForeignKey который указыват на модель из отдельного приложения...а это получатеся очень жестка связка...
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[16:05:20] gigimon: qrezy: ну значит пересмотреть логику
[16:05:27] gigimon: либо GenericForeighnKey
[16:05:42] gigimon: либо то поле из другйо аппликухи перенести в аппликуху краты
[16:05:43] gigimon: карты
[16:06:09] _lorien: а зачем карта ссылается на объект?
[16:07:51] gigimon: дада
[16:07:56] qrezy: указывает для какого объекта эта карта
[16:08:14] qrezy: можно конечно сделать что бы объект ссылался на карту
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[16:15:31] wiz: btw, поздравляю всех с Днём Велосипеда (ж
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[16:17:30] _lorien: гм, сегодня??
[16:18:01] wiz: да
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[16:19:07] cutwater: qrezy, если ты предполагаешь использовать карты в более чем одном модуле, то бишь повторное использование кода, то карты имхо лучше отвязывать от таких зависимостей.
[16:19:13] _lorien: Это знак, чтобы я помыл своего коня и отнёс его завтра в ремонт )
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[18:04:04] Tony: чем кроме самого twisted можно подключиться клиентом к серверу на twisted.protocols.amp ?
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[18:58:54] mishok13: состав devconf почти не отличается от состава pycamp
[18:59:44] Хрюндель: диф состава надо сделать
[19:00:00] mishok13: Шумков, Попп, Ремизов
[19:00:27] mishok13: фамилию Попп я сегодня слышал от севенова
[19:01:00] deepwalker: Попп в пролете, он не знает что в Twisted во первых не колбеки, а deferreds, а во вторых что можно без макарон
[19:01:07] mishok13: кстати, gevent весьма нестабильный
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[19:01:42] deepwalker: у меня gevent ни разу не выдал тех вершин производительности, что были в том модном тесте всех wsgi серверов
[19:02:02] mishok13: твистед тоже говно, так что не надо обольщаться
[19:02:04] deepwalker: а твистедовый напротив отпахал на 5+
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[19:02:33] deepwalker: вот это спорно - в каком месте?
[19:02:44] mishok13: /me потихоньку перепишет внутренний балансер запросов на erlang
[19:03:38] Sevenov: mishok13, >erlang
:3
[19:03:41] mishok13: в NIH синдроме
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[19:04:57] deepwalker: ммм, как иначе там?
[19:05:08] mishok13: вообще, не подходит питону асинхронность, надо быть честным
[19:05:23] deepwalker: а по-моему вполне подходит
[19:05:29] mishok13: может быть yield from частично бы решил эту проблему, да только ГвР не хочет
[19:05:33] Sevenov: deepwalker, это дорого.
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[19:05:42] mishok13: а по-моему, вполне говно
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[19:06:00] deepwalker: в чем говно?
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[19:06:12] Sevenov: время разработки похожего говна на эрганге сокращается в разы относительно анальностей на пейтоне.
[19:06:26] deepwalker: да ни разу
[19:06:35] Sevenov: нужно выбрать инструмент для задач, чтобы потом внезапно не наткнуться на неожиданность.
[19:06:38] mishok13: да блять какую библиотеку не возьми -- начинаешь возюкаться с лишними вещами, рюшечками, которые в других ЯП уже встроены
[19:06:56] mishok13: точно так же, как джава неприспособлена для функциональщины
[19:07:00] mishok13: надо двигаться дальше
[19:07:06] mishok13: питон -- не панацея
[19:07:09] Sevenov: mishok13, в пхп есть лямбды!
[19:07:15] deepwalker: эрланг тоже
[19:07:21] mishok13: хыхы, в плюсах тоже
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[19:07:29] mishok13: и в сишарпе
[19:07:36] mishok13: но они там как говно выглядят
[19:07:42] Sevenov: deepwalker, что эрланг?
[19:07:48] mishok13: да ни один ЯП не панацея
[19:07:51] deepwalker: не панацея и не няшечка
[19:08:02] Sevenov: deepwalker, я же говорил о задачах.
[19:08:06] mishok13: я вообще славянских женщин люблю
[19:08:17] Sevenov: mishok13, покрые письки бесплатно без смс скочать кип
[19:08:31] mishok13: (если уж о няшечках речь пошла)
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[19:10:12] deepwalker: у вас всякие общие разговоры, а что конкретно то не так?
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[19:10:30] mishok13: мне когда-то подобную фразу выдал джавофил
[19:10:37] Хрюндель: mishok13, во, ты как главный представитель гиков не считая ред агента, просто обязан покритиковать мой сайт. А то вчера тут один юмористы были, так ничего никто и не сказал. http://pyplanet.org/
[19:10:39] mishok13: да всё блять прекрасно
[19:10:42] mishok13: нравится -- пользуйся
[19:10:58] deepwalker: да блять и буду : )
[19:10:59] mishok13: просто нельзя забывать об альтернативах
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[19:11:20] mishok13: Хрюндель, что это?
[19:11:30] deepwalker: но в погоне за альтернативами голову я не теряю
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[19:11:47] deepwalker: не вижу киллер фич
[19:11:57] Хрюндель: mishok13, мегапортал мой новый, не заметно? :)
[19:11:58] deepwalker: читаю, тыкаюсь, а не вижу
[19:12:01] Sevenov: deepwalker, в пхп есть лямбды.
[19:12:02] mishok13: эээ
[19:12:28] deepwalker: Sevenov, ты меня уже по жуйке спамишь : )
[19:12:32] deepwalker: этого достаточно
[19:12:56] Sevenov: deepwalker, могу еще в твиттере и френдфидике :3
[19:13:04] deepwalker: вот ленивость - ну есть генераторы, они тоже ленивые
[19:13:12] Хрюндель: Sevenov, прямо в мозг спамь, чего мелочиться
[19:13:27] deepwalker: и если надо, то и бесконечные
[19:13:34] mishok13: мегафича №1 в эрланге -- шаровая расширяемость
[19:13:46] mishok13: которую в питоне приходится эмулировать запуском процессов
[19:13:50] deepwalker: спорная фича
[19:13:58] mishok13: хуясе спорная
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[19:14:14] deepwalker: ну так в чем профит? есть толпа решений для зупска сотен процессов
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[19:14:40] Хрюндель: сцуко, меня игнорируют..
[19:14:40] deepwalker: шина - ну и так ли она нужна? Редко на самом деле
[19:14:42] Sevenov: >[20:13:45] deepwalker: спорная фича
Я не могу смеяться, у меня с десной что-то. Пожалейте, ну пожаааалуйста.
[19:14:57] mishok13: назови мне толпу
[19:15:05] mishok13: supervisord, upstart, ...?
[19:15:12] deepwalker: ну а что?
[19:15:23] deepwalker: стандартные решения. Могу за вечер склепать свое
[19:15:36] deepwalker: или поискать
[19:15:42] mishok13: ищи
[19:15:50] deepwalker: ну в общем это не задача языка
[19:15:56] Sevenov: deepwalker, а эти процессы будут изолированы и общаться между собой абсолютно прозрачно для юзера?
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[19:16:11] mishok13: пиздец, мне ее приходится реализовывать плагинами для супервизора
[19:16:15] deepwalker: а им надо обзаться? вот прям сто пудов обязательно необходимо?
[19:16:20] Sevenov: deepwalker, да.
[19:16:24] deepwalker: зачем?
[19:16:34] mishok13: если ты не сталкивался с такими задачами -- радуйся
[19:16:35] Sevenov: deepwalker, а они будут общаться м/у десятками машинам?
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[19:16:41] mishok13: пушо твистед тебе не поможет
[19:16:50] deepwalker: ну так опишите задачу то
[19:16:57] Sevenov: deepwalker, а кто будет смотреть над процессами, чтобы ненужные убивать?
[19:17:06] deepwalker: супервизор будет
[19:17:11] deepwalker: смотреть и убивать
[19:17:12] Sevenov: не тупо рестартовать, а завершать всё дерево зависимых процессов?
[19:17:33] Sevenov: а сами процессы весят в гибернейте 1кб?
[19:17:38] mishok13: cloudmade.com -> tile, staticmaps, vector stream -> все задачи требуют быстрого скейлинга
[19:18:03] mishok13: Python + C + C++
[19:18:10] deepwalker: Sevenov, это все фигня короче. Процессы, ха.
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[19:18:15] deepwalker: Это не процессы
[19:18:36] Sevenov: deepwalker, это легковесные процессы, которые крутятся внутри виртуальной машины, да.
[19:18:53] Sevenov: deepwalker, нет, с тобой не интересно про это говорить.
[19:19:23] deepwalker: : ) мне интересн вопрос в основном - зачем им всем между собой общаться
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[19:20:31] mishok13: Хрюндель, нихрена не понятно :(
[19:20:45] mishok13: чо оно такое узкое?
[19:20:52] mishok13: это же не твитор
[19:20:52] Хрюндель: mishok13, а у тебя какой экран?
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[19:21:05] deepwalker: в эрланге это часть архитектуры, это понятно. Там они активнейшим образом юзаются. А так - ни разу такой задачи не встрчал
[19:21:08] Хрюндель: расчитывалось на 1024..
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[19:21:12] mishok13: 1440x900 окошко фаирфокса
[19:21:21] mishok13: а ты рассчитывай на любую ширину
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[19:21:29] Хрюндель: ну оно поэтому по центру..
[19:21:37] Хрюндель: а кроме этого?
[19:21:43] mishok13: lorien .. 11000 дол/месяц
[19:21:47] Хрюндель: ыыы
[19:21:51] mishok13: _lorien, я хочу у тебя работать
[19:21:52] Хрюндель: это я так, забил инфой
[19:22:13] mishok13: Хрюндель, как-то не видно что это Python Community
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[19:22:24] Хрюндель: mishok13, я тебе вообще не советую и Лора работать даже за такие деньги..
[19:22:24] mishok13: выглядит как чей-то личный блог
[19:22:29] deepwalker: ага, немезида рулит : )
[19:22:48] deepwalker: очень питоновская тема
[19:22:59] Хрюндель: mishok13, это ты по индесной странице или по всем разделам?
[19:23:07] mishok13: по индексной
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[19:23:22] Хрюндель: deepwalker, данные пока левые :)
[19:23:50] deepwalker: Хрюндель, а ты уверен, что оно надо?
[19:23:59] deepwalker: правильное комьюнити это гитхаб
[19:24:08] deepwalker: комьюнити программистов
[19:24:23] Хрюндель: deepwalker, я основываюсь на том что на python.su почему то заходят ежедневно 1500 человек в день
[19:24:26] Хрюндель: значит нужно кому то
[19:24:29] deepwalker: ого
[19:24:44] deepwalker: отстал : )
[19:24:50] mishok13: deepwalker, гитхаб у SO отсасывает big time
[19:24:58] deepwalker: SO это что?
[19:25:05] mishok13: stack overflow
[19:25:16] deepwalker: а, ну они же про разное
[19:25:36] mishok13: да ладно, там тоже коммюнити
[19:25:52] Хрюндель: mishok13, кстати там внутри будет и SO, не дорисовали просто ещё некоторые моменты.
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[19:26:04] mishok13: включая Алекса Мартелли и Мартина фон Льойса
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[19:26:18] mishok13: Хрюндель, монетизироваться как собираешься?
[19:26:22] Хрюндель: sape
[19:26:33] Хрюндель: по идее должен высокий ТИЦ быть
[19:26:37] Хрюндель: у таких сайтов
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[19:26:57] mishok13: эм, ок
[19:26:58] deepwalker: я на SO через гугл в основном залетаю, так что про комьюнити не знаю, а вот ответы там хорошие
[19:27:23] mishok13: Хрюндель, удачи
[19:27:26] mishok13: я на полном серьезе
[19:27:32] mishok13: /me ушёл домой
[19:27:37] Хрюндель: mishok13, спасибо
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[19:38:20] gigimon: на pyplanet.org рсс не пашет?
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[19:39:09] Tony: пашет вроде
[19:41:19] gigimon: хм
[19:41:22] gigimon: чет жму, и нифига
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[19:42:36] огыешсук: http://feeds.feedburner.com/pyplanetru нажми
[19:43:12] огыешсук: или http://feedex.net/feed/feeds.feedburner.com/pyplanetru если как я не любишь урезанные ленты
[19:43:41] огыешсук: А pyplanet.org это что-то странное
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[19:47:40] огыешсук: на оном почти ничего действительно не работает
[19:47:42] Хрюндель: огыешсук, не, там только в разделе блогов пашет.
[19:48:15] огыешсук: /me хотел поглазеть на вакансию про 11000$/m и обломался
[19:48:29] Хрюндель: огыешсук, но я тебе не советую пока подписываться :) Я там всякую херню пока вбиваю для тестов
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[19:51:25] Хрюндель: Вообще на что лучше всего RSS сделать? Новые статьи, новые темы на форуме, новые вакансии.. ещё что то?
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[20:02:23] огыешсук: почему бы не сделать на всё, а через год проверить статистику
[20:02:52] Хрюндель: у меня только 4 свободных места. Сверху два и два снизу.
[20:03:10] Хрюндель: ну а внутри разделов конечно можно и на что хочешь ещё впихнуть.
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[20:04:21] Хрюндель: В принципе там будет сделанно так, делаешь например поиск вакансий по удалёнке с зарплатой выше определённой суммы, ссылка на rss меняется и учитывает эти параметры, вот потом на твой rss reader будут приходить только попадающие под эти критерии вакансии
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[20:14:30] gigimon: Хрюндель: полные статье
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[20:15:49] Хрюндель: Именно полные? У меня как статья из двух частей состоит. Не лучшую ли первую часть по rss выдавать, а для второй что бы на сайт заходили. Я просто обычно читал через гугл ридер в сплывающем окне, там не очень удобно длинные статьи читать.
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[20:17:02] огыешсук: /me читает через гридер на мобильнике и с ноутбука. Только полные статьи. Исключительно. Пришлось целый feedex.net для этого написать, чтобы никто не мог мне статьи в длине ограничить.
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[20:17:56] огыешсук: Вероятно, некоторые используют гридер не как читалку, а как нотифялку.
[20:18:23] огыешсук: Так пусть знают, что есть чуть подправить гридеровские CSS, то из него получается вполне юзабельная читалка.
[20:19:03] Хрюндель: огыешсук, хорошо, сделаю полностью чтоб выдавало контент, специально для тебя :)
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[20:20:31] огыешсук: мне пофиг, мои потребности в русскоязычных питонячьих постах вполне удовлетворяются фидом http://feedex.net/feed/feeds.feedburner.com/pyplanetru, куда более-менее всё попадает
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[20:21:29] огыешсук: это gigimon хотящий
[20:21:57] Хрюндель: это не мой мопед, я просто объяву дал ))
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[20:23:35] gigimon: дада
[20:23:39] gigimon: я хотеть полные :)
[20:23:41] gigimon: буду читать
[20:23:54] gigimon: тоже читаю через гридер либо на телефоне
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[22:10:33] deepwalker: Joes, а column не отнаследованы от единого Column, это так должно быть?
[22:11:35] deepwalker: я тут пытаюсь разобраться, как мне поддержку этих колмунов в mongomodels вставить
[22:11:42] Joes: хм
[22:11:49] Joes: вроде все были от одного
[22:12:19] deepwalker: не, от object
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[22:15:19] Joes: в принципе - раньше не задумывались, просто
[22:15:27] Joes: эти все колонки просто маркеры
[22:15:36] Joes: т.е. они никакой смысловой нагрузки не несут
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[22:15:55] Joes: кроме как служить меткой - "меня надо преобразовать в колонку типа строка для данного бекенда"
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[22:16:10] deepwalker: их просто из fields фильтровать неудобно тогда
[22:16:19] deepwalker: так проверил тип, и все
[22:16:26] deepwalker: а так имя
[22:16:36] deepwalker: как то некошерно
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[22:17:04] Joes: угу
[22:17:08] Joes: patches are welcome
[22:17:38] Joes: в принципе - верно
[22:17:41] Joes: надо бы подчистить
[22:17:55] deepwalker: а еще - то есть логика работы с default значениями зарыта мимо полей?
[22:18:30] Joes: угу
[22:18:33] Joes: от бекенда зависит
[22:18:38] Joes: поддерживает он дефолты или нет
[22:18:47] deepwalker: хм, а с другой стороны так и лучше ведь
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[22:19:11] deepwalker: а если бы поля предоставлялись тоже бекендом?
[22:19:23] Joes: в каком плане?
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[22:19:35] Joes: предоставлялись т.е.
[22:19:37] deepwalker: но то есть не из models их импортировать
[22:19:44] deepwalker: а также о тмодуля получать
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[22:21:12] deepwalker: патчес я всегда успею конечно : ) но обычно их обсуждение занимает больше их написания
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[22:22:30] deepwalker: я вот просто смотрю в GAE - у него свои поля определяются
[22:22:40] deepwalker: а потом из словарика выдергиваются и тп
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[22:23:06] Joes: ну так кто тебе мешает?
[22:23:16] Joes: ты ж можешь мешать поля как хочешь
[22:23:28] Joes: т.е. хочешь - юзай базу из db.models
[22:23:34] deepwalker: мысль, что можно же в поля положить методы проверок вские и тп
[22:23:36] Joes: если не хочешь - импортируй поля из своей либы
[22:23:43] Joes: и напрямую юзай
[22:24:15] Joes: нет смысла делать их сложнее чем сейчас - зачем дублировать то, что делает либа БД?
[22:24:18] Joes: например алхимия?
[22:24:23] deepwalker: так нет
[22:24:27] deepwalker: зачем дублировать?
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[22:24:36] Joes: тогда про методы проверок не понял
[22:24:40] deepwalker: подставить вместо стандартных
[22:24:42] Joes: ты про валидацию данных?
[22:24:50] deepwalker: ну да
[22:24:54] Joes: хм.
[22:25:11] deepwalker: просто точно также, как и с фабрикой
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[22:25:38] deepwalker: и каждый бекенд свои поля предоставляет
[22:25:44] Joes: в какой степени валидация? nullable, etc?
[22:25:45] deepwalker: но с теми же именами
[22:26:09] Joes: т.е. я пока не представляю как это будет работать
[22:26:14] Joes: кусочек кода куда-то закинь
[22:26:31] deepwalker: piu : )
[22:26:56] deepwalker: хорошее назваие для сервиса залог успеха, я его по пиу сразу и вспомниаю
[22:27:02] Joes: ага :-)
[22:27:08] Joes: piranha: ping
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[22:29:30] piranha: понг
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[22:29:59] deepwalker: Сейчас - http://paste.in.ua/612/
А можно так - http://paste.in.ua/613/
[22:30:19] piranha: Joes: инкредибл видел?
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[22:30:41] piranha: deepwalker: сорри, втыкаю, а какой профит?
[22:31:21] Joes: ну типа импорта не будет.
[22:31:27] Joes: и колонки вернутся от бекенда
[22:31:31] piranha: хм
[22:31:41] piranha: а, типа да...
[22:31:42] Joes: причем их может быть много и разных
[22:31:45] Joes: я вижу плюсы
[22:31:51] Joes: из минусов - база размазывается по коду
[22:31:57] piranha: звëздочка - уйдëт в прошлое без мозгойопли
[22:31:59] Joes: т.е. че там бекенд сделает - непонятно
[22:32:02] piranha: да, это западло...
[22:32:15] deepwalker: ято то я упустил?
[22:32:18] Joes: и че он экспортит тоже непонятно
[22:32:25] deepwalker: не понял про размазывается
[22:32:29] Joes: ну, смотри
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[22:32:35] Joes: есть db.models
[22:32:41] Joes: он содержит кучку описалова
[22:32:42] Joes: всякого
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[22:32:51] Joes: т.е. неокрепший умом жуниор
[22:32:58] Joes: туда залез и увидел чего там есть хорошего
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[22:33:06] Joes: а если ты динамически от бекенда будешь поля возвращать
[22:33:17] Joes: то хз чего полезного этот самый бекенд возвращает
[22:33:27] Joes: но, в целом, идея - нравится.
[22:33:47] Joes: надо только подумать как ее подпихнуть
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[22:35:06] piranha: а fields, вернувшийся от бэкэнда - это кто?
[22:35:10] Joes: ну объект
[22:35:11] piranha: модуль? объект Fields?
[22:35:14] Joes: че-то.
[22:35:18] Joes: с кучкой классов
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[22:35:24] Joes: а-ля StringColumn
[22:35:25] piranha: угу...
[22:35:30] Joes: ну или методов, которые классы возвращают
[22:35:31] Joes: пофиг
[22:35:37] piranha: вообще их можно называть просто String
[22:35:40] piranha: куда ж веселее
[22:35:42] piranha: fields.String()
[22:35:47] piranha: всë очевидно и понятно
[22:35:52] Мозгошредер: В принципе, дп
[22:35:53] Joes: это если возвращать fields
[22:35:56] Мозгошредер: *да
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[22:36:10] Joes: если импортить - слишком общее название
[22:36:20] Joes: from db.models import String
[22:36:26] piranha: если как счас из моделсов - то не катит
[22:36:29] Joes: а потом юзаешь и не понимаешь что за хрень.
[22:36:30] Joes: угу
[22:36:32] piranha: но отдельный объект fields - lf
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[22:37:02] Joes: может сделать че-то типа: fields = ModelBase.get_fields()
[22:37:03] Joes: хз
[22:37:08] Joes: хотя
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[22:37:15] Joes: дефолт оставлять надо?
[22:37:22] Joes: который ща в db.models?
[22:37:25] Joes: или он тоже уйдет?
[22:37:52] deepwalker: что за дефолт?
[22:37:58] Joes: ну StringColumn
[22:37:59] Joes: и т.д.
[22:38:05] deepwalker: ааа
[22:38:08] Joes: если оно через fields все - нет смысла.
[22:38:43] deepwalker: тогда да, оно будет просто бесполезно лежать
[22:39:23] deepwalker: и поставить проверку - если объект назвали не fields отказыаться работать : )
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[22:40:02] Sevenov: тема филдов перелезла сюда?
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[22:40:37] deepwalker: откуда?
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[22:42:24] Sevenov: да я чота тоже тыкал на #svarga
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[22:45:17] deepwalker: а это что, канал отдельный?
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[22:46:02] Мозгошредер: #svarga @ freenode
[22:46:40] deepwalker: но почему irc?
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[22:47:14] piranha: там больше народу
[22:47:27] piranha: особенно англоязычного )
[22:47:50] deepwalker: ага, нашел
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[22:50:42] Sevenov: deepwalker, потому что жабир - говно.
[22:50:53] Sevenov: забугор юзает msn.
[22:51:11] deepwalker: чур меня
[22:51:12] Sevenov: ну, aim еще
[22:51:18] deepwalker: уж лучше irc
[22:51:32] deepwalker: когда в твиттере уже сделают конференции?
[22:51:41] Sevenov: ну еще яху юзают.
[22:51:45] Sevenov: deepwalker, зачем?
[22:51:46] deepwalker: по моему на западе его активнее всего юзают :)
[22:52:00] Sevenov: на западе не юзают комбаины
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[22:52:11] deepwalker: да, там все не так как у нас
[22:52:35] Sevenov: deepwalker, да, там не пишут с twisted-only.
[22:52:52] deepwalker: то есть only?
[22:53:01] deepwalker: а где пишут?
[22:53:15] Sevenov: deepwalker, они выбирают инструменты под задачи.
[22:53:18] Sevenov: ;-)
[22:53:44] deepwalker: понимаешь, я владею twisted. А подавляющее большинство его критиков - нет.
[22:54:06] Sevenov: deepwalker, потому что не стоит тратить время на горку костылей.
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[22:54:58] piranha: Sevenov: стоит, сцуко
[22:55:08] piranha: ни у кого другого нету реализации ссх-сервера, например
[22:55:20] deepwalker: как угодно, я лучше посплю пойду, чем буду обсирать erlang или грудью на амбразуру за твистед : )
[22:55:21] Sevenov: piranha, есть. На си. openssh-server.
[22:55:28] piranha: это же гавно
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[22:55:34] piranha: некастомизируемое
[22:55:37] deepwalker: Sevenov, ну так вставь его в свой проект
[22:55:41] piranha: дада
[22:55:51] Sevenov: deepwalker, ты не осилишь его обсирать. Процитирую:

>понимаешь, я владею twisted. А подавляющее большинство его критиков - нет.
Вот тут тот же случай.
[22:55:53] piranha: добейся от него хоть чего-нибудь )
[22:56:06] deepwalker: Sevenov, я уже осилил : )
[22:56:36] Sevenov: deepwalker, вставлял. Стримает видео Theora и x264, собирает контекнеры на лету.
[22:56:42] Sevenov: *контейнеры
[22:57:01] deepwalker: куда и как вставлял?
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[22:57:51] Sevenov: deepwalker, подумай над вопросом, а я пока пойду курить.
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[22:57:58] deepwalker: я спать пойду
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[22:58:08] piranha: Sevenov: openssh-server стримает?
[22:58:10] piranha: я пропустил шото? )
[22:58:13] deepwalker: мне стремное теоро не интересно
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[23:05:06] Sevenov: ну вот, оба ушли :(
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[23:05:47] Sevenov: ну и ладно.
[23:06:13] Sevenov: >[11:55:45 PM] deepwalker: мне стремное теоро не интересно
вот такое вообще забавляет. Там стояло "и x264".
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[23:08:10] gigimon: дада
[23:08:14] gigimon: Sevenov: откуда что стримаешь?
[23:08:24] gigimon: Sevenov: не дали на ночь еды?
[23:08:37] Sevenov: пойду на другой канал (
[23:08:46] Sevenov: mishok13, ты эта, если чо, сторожи тут.
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