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[09:12:55] mr.oduvan: народ, а можно как-то в тредах питона устанавливать приоритеты?
[09:13:22] mr.oduvan: в частности запустить тред с очень низким приоритетом относительно главного
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[09:16:09] pit: OS какая ?
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[09:16:44] mr.oduvan: Linux
[09:16:45] pit is now online
[09:16:47] mr.oduvan: Debian
[09:17:09] pit: права от пользователя делай
[09:17:38] mr.oduvan: ухты. это интересно
[09:17:57] mr.oduvan: а можно по подробнее
[09:18:06] pit: те если пользователя занёс в определённую группу, он тебе и даёт только твои модули запускать
[09:18:19] pit: а остольные блокируй
[09:18:58] mr.oduvan: приоритет - это какой-то тред работает быстрее, какой-то медленне
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[09:21:57] pit: ты хочешь приоритеты скорости чтоль
[09:22:12] mr.oduvan: да
[09:25:45] pit: в линухе по умолчанию раньше было чтоб сортировку памяти и процессора на отпределёный сервис
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[09:30:20] pit: исходник покажи
[09:30:55] mr.oduvan: исходники чего?
[09:30:59] mr.oduvan: запуска треда?
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[09:32:59] pit: вообще какую задачу надо сделать , может тебе и не нужно того что просишь
[09:34:25] mr.oduvan: надо чтоб один тред не мог фактически съесть все процессорное время
[09:35:12] pit: ну так есть такое в линухе чтоб на определённый запуск только столько то памяти столькото проца отдать
[09:35:31] mr.oduvan: покажешь?
[09:35:55] wiz: mr.oduvan, не в питоне
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[09:36:10] wiz: т.е. не в тредах питона ибо гил
[09:36:20] mr.oduvan: окей
[09:36:24] wiz: если только форкнуться и renice сделать
[09:36:41] mr.oduvan: покажите, как просто понизить приоритет одного процесса
[09:36:43] wiz: os.nice
[09:36:45] pit: в питоне нет такого , это на уровне OS
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[09:37:19] wiz: http://docs.python.org/library/os.html#os.nice
[09:38:06] pit: яж говорил что это сама os делает
[09:38:07] slav0nic: http://prodam.slando.com.ua/kiev_city/test_na_beremennost_s_polozhitelnym_rezultatom_P_19488911.html
[09:38:58] wiz: mr.oduvan, ionice только через syscall:
ctypes.CDLL('libc.so.6').syscall(289, which, who, ioprio)
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[09:40:41] mr.oduvan: т.е. os.nice - понизит приоритет текущего процесса?
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[09:41:09] wiz: да
[09:41:17] wiz: повышаться может только рут
[09:41:34] mr.oduvan: а понижаться может кто угодно
[09:41:36] wiz: угу
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[09:41:53] mr.oduvan: а вот последнее
[09:41:55] mr.oduvan: ionice
[09:41:59] mr.oduvan: что ты скинул
[09:42:02] mr.oduvan: это зачем?
[09:42:11] wiz: чтобы io не выжирал процесс
[09:42:28] wiz: правда обычно наоборот повышают - чтобы плеер там не заикался и т.п.
[09:42:33] slav0nic: что-то у меня ionice ниуя не работал

[09:42:57] mr.oduvan: ну это в том случе, если io активно юзается
[09:43:07] wiz: ну дальше всё от ос шедулеров зависит, как они там смотрят на найсы эти
[09:43:22] wiz: btw, больше найс - меньше приоритет
[09:43:38] mr.oduvan: аа...
[09:43:58] mr.oduvan: ок. спасибо
[09:44:03] mr.oduvan: щас буду пробовать
[09:44:32] mr.oduvan: os.plock
[09:44:48] mr.oduvan: а это ограничить использование памяти?
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[09:46:09] wiz: хз
[09:46:28] slav0nic: а документы у тебя не открываются чтоли?)
[09:46:45] wiz: память наверно только улимитом можно енфорсить
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[09:48:03] mr.oduvan: slav0nic, у меня?
[09:48:13] slav0nic: угу
[09:48:20] mr.oduvan: какие?
[09:49:19] slav0nic: проехали
[09:49:42] mr.oduvan: ок
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[09:57:53] mr.oduvan: всем спасибо за помощь. Буду пробовать
[09:58:31] pit: о результате сообщи
[09:59:03] mr.oduvan: хорошо
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[10:49:42] cutwater: утро
[10:50:11] pit: и тебе вечер
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[10:51:47] mishok13: а кто-то пробовал этот gevent в продакшне?
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[10:52:45] Typhon: mishok13: http://devconf.ru/python/offers/59 можыт этот чел?
[10:53:03] mishok13: та хуй там
[10:53:13] Darth Лис: прикольно кстати phpconf.ru мутировал в devconf
[10:54:41] piranha: Typhon: этот вообще очень странен
[10:54:50] piranha: есть сомнения, шо он хоть шото в продакшене пробовал :)
[10:54:56] Darth Лис: В рамках DevConf 17-ого мая 2010 года в Крокус Экспо (м. Мякинино) пройдут 5 конференций:

DevConf::PHP() - бывшая PHPConf
DevConf::Perl() - от фанатов Perl
DevConf::Python() - от фанатов Python
DevConf::Ruby() - от фанатов Ruby
DevConf::ASP.NET() - от фанатов .NET
[10:55:05] mishok13: я тут переписал наш рендеринг бекенд на gevent
[10:55:17] mishok13: и это говно блять, откровенно
[10:55:23] Typhon: piranha: та у меня тоже такие сомнения :)
[10:55:47] wiz: DevConf::Python() меня просто убивает
[10:55:55] Typhon: mishok13: пчу говно? не стабильно?
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[10:56:31] mishok13: нестабильно это мягко сказано
[10:56:37] Darth Лис: гага
[10:56:39] mishok13: на простых задачах еще более-менее
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[10:57:32] deepwalker: mishok13, а что за задача?
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[10:57:51] deepwalker: у меня gevent тоже не показал стабильности в тестах
[10:57:57] mishok13: если queue.PriorityQueue использовать, то gevent через 20-30 минут тупо блокирует гринлет на get() и всё тут
[10:57:58] deepwalker: твистед его утоптал
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[11:01:03] mishok13: вот этот сервис -- http://developers.cloudmade.com/projects/show/static-maps
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[11:01:56] Darth Лис:
The connection has timed out
The server at devconf.ru is taking too long to respond.
[11:02:09] Darth Лис: символично
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[11:03:46] mishok13: если совсем просто -- тупо тайлики в картинки клеить
[11:04:08] Typhon: кем работает твой папа? -- картинки клеит
[11:04:21] mishok13: я отвечаю "карты рисую"
[11:04:40] mishok13: этого достаточно
[11:04:41] Typhon: :) тоже хорошо
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[11:14:27] Typhon: а кто вообще как объясняет далеким от программирования людям, чем он занимается на работе?
[11:15:55] piranha: говорю "пишу то, шо в сайтах работает, а не показывает"
[11:15:57] piranha: ггг
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[11:18:22] mishok13: ну вот мне легче
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[11:21:47] mishok13: я не представляю, что отвечают программисты на джаваэнтерпрайзэдишн
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[11:21:53] deepwalker: а gevent же не очень подходит для обслуживания тяжелых задач. Ну то есть картинку рисовать это же достаточно долго относительно
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[11:23:09] wiz: а что вы такое на гевенте делаете, что у вас оно нестабильно?
[11:23:24] Typhon: wiz: карты рисуют же, картинки клеят )
[11:24:01] wiz: а чем твистед спасает? дефертутред?
[11:24:09] Darth Лис: http://autokadabra.ru/post/36272/
[11:24:26] deepwalker: defer to process тоже можно
[11:24:30] deepwalker: и ту тред, да
[11:25:15] deepwalker: в твистеде это еще удобно все - там пул тредов, автоматом обслуживается
[11:25:40] mishok13: deepwalker, картинку рисует рендер
[11:25:43] mishok13: отдельный демон
[11:25:59] mishok13: gevent просто собирает все тайлики с диска и отдает рендеру
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[11:26:30] mishok13: ну и плюс всяческий парсинг запроса
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[11:26:58] piranha: mishok13: ноду заюзай, короче
[11:27:01] piranha: будь модным
[11:27:09] piranha: заодно и узнаем, стабильное ли оно :))
[11:27:12] Typhon: piranha: чоткое описание )
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[11:27:38] Typhon: про работу.
[11:27:39] piranha: Typhon: ну а чо? :)
[11:28:00] piranha: еще иногда приходится добавлять, что это у всяких сложных сайтов, не домашних страничек
[11:28:15] Typhon: "ну типа как вконтакте!"
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[11:28:48] piranha: гг
[11:30:33] mishok13: piranha, в пиписюку иди
[11:30:45] mishok13: со своей нодой
[11:30:57] mishok13: это кучу логики на кофескрипт переписывать
[11:31:01] piranha: хммм
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[11:31:08] piranha: жаль, жаль
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[11:32:03] mishok13: но я подумаю
[11:32:19] deepwalker: я правда не вижу коренных отличий ноды от питона
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[11:33:14] deepwalker: ну да, он быстр
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[11:56:12] Typhon: mishok13: OCAML!
[11:56:24] mishok13: ШТО
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[11:56:49] Typhon: ну типа предлагаю на нем
[11:57:31] Typhon: фп, модно, выступать, конференции, теория категорий, зеркалки, штанга
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[11:57:41] mishok13: велик забыл
[11:58:26] Typhon: велик меня попросили сегодня не указывать в таких рядах -- мне не сложно :)
[11:58:50] mishok13: окамль это, конечно, прекрасно
[11:58:58] mishok13: но его C API заставляет меня блевать
[11:59:18] Typhon: почему?
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[14:51:18] Darth Лис: кто нибудь с jira работал?
[14:51:23] piranha: ja
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[14:51:27] Darth Лис: как там экспорт делать?
[14:51:32] piranha: хезе
[14:51:38] Darth Лис: гык
[14:51:38] piranha: не успел написать, что вряд ли подскажу )
[14:51:45] Sevenov: Darth Лис, я бле^W работал. Ответа на вопрос не знаю.
[14:52:22] Darth Лис: мне дали xml типо экспорт тикетов, но шото он какой-то не такой
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[14:53:44] Darth Лис: наш "импортер" ожидает rss насколько я вижу по коду
[14:53:48] Darth Лис: а там херь какая-то
[14:53:58] Darth Лис: я вот сижу и думаю, кто из них буровит :)
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[15:52:56] vplanto: Доброго времени суток!
Помоги разобраться, есть pgloader(http://pgfoundry.org/projects/pgloader) - модуль многопотоковой загрузки данных из plain файлов в postgresql.
он запускается с ошибкой
debian:~# pgloader
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/bin/pgloader", line 11, in <module>
import pgloader.options
ImportError: No module named pgloader.options

11 строка это - iimport pgloader.options
в текущей папке есть папка pgloader и в ней файл options.py
Как можно исправить, спасибо
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[15:53:49] nmk: vplanto: в pgloader есть __init__.py ?
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[15:54:22] vplanto: nmk: есть, содержимое
"""
pgloader package, offering modules to implement pgloader.
"""
[15:54:52] _lorien: ну может при запуске pgloader сменяется текущий каталог
[15:54:54] nmk: так епт
[15:54:58] nmk: ты запускаешь то из /usr/bin/
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[15:55:07] nmk: у тебя там есть каталог pgloader с __init__.py ?
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[15:55:46] _lorien: vplanto, а как ты поставил pgloader в систему?
[15:55:58] vplanto: apt-get install pgloader
[15:56:15] nmk: хм-хм
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[15:56:35] vplanto: пробывал по cygwin, make запускать тот же результат в конце
[15:56:37] nmk: а python один в системе?
[15:56:41] vplanto: один
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[15:56:52] slav0nic: может у дебя дефолтный питон не 2.5
[15:57:04] _lorien: ну значит надо в /usr/bin/pgloader поставить pdb перед 11-ой стракой и там посмотреть, что выдаётся для import pgloader; какой там объект и почему нету options
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[15:57:13] vplanto: Python 2.5.2 (r252:60911, Jan 24 2010, 14:53:14)
[GCC 4.3.2] on linux2

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[15:57:59] nmk: запусти python, сделай import pgloader, если с ошибкой выйдет, то сделай так:
impor sys; print sys.path
и в этих директориях смотри директорию pgloader, есть ли она там
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[15:59:37] vplanto: хм. >>> import sys; print sys.path
['', '/usr/lib/python2.5', '/usr/lib/python2.5/plat-linux2', '/usr/lib/python2.5/lib-tk', '/usr/lib/python2.5/lib-dynload', '/usr/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages', '/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages']
папки нужной нету, как прописать?
[16:00:15] nmk: в /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages нету pgloader?
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[16:01:00] vplanto: pgloader проинсталировался в /usr/share/python-support/pgloader/pgloader/
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[16:01:52] vplanto: вернее без последнего pgloader, в /usr/share/python-support/pgloader/pgloader/ лежат библиотки типа options.py
а в /usr/share/python-support/pgloader/ сам pgloader.py
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[16:02:54] nmk: в /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/python-support.pth есть?
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[16:03:41] Sevenov: что тут за драма?
[16:04:22] Typhon: Sevenov: понаставили себе всяких убунт с дебианами вместо венды православной и жалуются
[16:04:33] Sevenov: Typhon, а. Ну ок.
[16:05:01] vplanto: в винде в cygwin не работает, других версий у pgloader нет
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[16:05:35] nmk: python-support.pth есть? :)
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[16:06:04] vplanto: нету
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[16:06:23] nmk: а в /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.5/ есть директория pgloader?
[16:06:41] nmk: и про какой debian-based дистр речь идет?
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[16:07:25] vplanto: нет только в /usr/share/python-support/pgloader.
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[16:08:04] nmk: а ты apt-get install не прерывал по ctrl-c? :)
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[16:08:53] vplanto: нет, т.к. тот же результат используя make в cygwin то что-то с самим pgloader, но я думал это как-то просто исправить
[16:09:53] nmk: запусти update-python-modules pgloader.public
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[16:13:14] vplanto: если pgloader.public файл, то такого нету, или я не понял что запускать
[16:13:32] nmk: то что я написал, то и набери в консоле ;)
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[16:14:00] nmk: pgloader.public должен быть в /usr/share/python-support/
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[16:14:45] _lorien: может тупо место кончилось %)
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[16:24:32] vplanto: спасибо, за помощь заработало. Огромное спасибо nmk.
[16:24:59] nmk: а кто знает, в lenny используются эти .public из pyshared или нет? :)
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[16:28:48] _lorien: это что воообще? Аналог pth?
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[16:29:26] nmk: не. там список файлов, он сделает симлинки в pymodules/version/ и соберет .pycи
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[16:31:04] nmk: http://cdn.fotocommunity.com/photos/16915955.jpg
[16:31:10] nmk: кол-во машин на невском в 72 году ;)
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[21:04:45] Darth Лис: PGpool VS PgBouncer
[21:04:49] Darth Лис: кто как считает?
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[21:12:13] Darth Лис: похоже что pgbouncer палутшее, так как асинхронный, в отличии от pgpool-а который префорк
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[21:15:44] mr.oduvan: я на каком-то рипе видел сравнение
[21:16:12] Darth Лис: а ещё pgbouncer в скайпе сделали
[21:16:18] Typhon: только сказать хотел )
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[22:32:31] Typhon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9FVJ-wUsK0 эти ваши украинские гонщики какие-то по-хорошему отмороженные! )
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[22:41:41] Typhon: "Mark, sweep, pause, reflect, sip of wine" про рубевый gc ^_^
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[22:42:35] piranha: Typhon: они не отмороженные, это Мочанов проипал легенду )
[22:42:46] piranha: и Салюк потому дупля не резал, шо такой горб там, вот и прыгнули
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[22:43:14] Typhon: :) там потом прикольно "бля! кажись чот потеряли -- ничо, доедем!" )
[22:43:33] piranha: ага ))) "чего-то у нас уже нету"
[22:43:47] Typhon: да, точно)
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[23:52:21] Хрюндель: Нифига себе, у меня на сайте сам Дуров зарегился.. Номер id в контакте - 1.
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[23:54:24] pzskc383: а может глюк?
[23:54:35] pzskc383: ну или дай ссылку на сайт
[23:55:07] Хрюндель: pzskc383, да я по базе пробил..
[23:55:13] Хрюндель: реальне
[23:55:32] Хрюндель: http://pyplanet.org/account/durov/
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[23:56:24] Хрюндель: забанить его что ли..
[23:56:54] Typhon: мыло лучше покажи
[23:57:04] Typhon: или чего там можно этим вашим openAPI вытянуть
[23:57:45] Хрюндель: Typhon, дык яж как утентификацию использую.. не сохраняю данные для взаимодействия с API
[23:58:01] Хрюндель: Знал бы может и сохранил :)