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[11:03:51] xa4a: а никто не помнит, где было видео про кардинальные числа на ютубе? там ещё заселяли футбольную команду в небоскрёб итд
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[11:17:53] _lorien: http://bfg.repoze.org/ кто-нить тыкал палочкой это?
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[11:18:09] Sevenov: Там нужна лопата.
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[11:18:34] _lorien: на?
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[11:18:51] _lorien: а, это юмор про палочку? :)
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[11:20:05] deepwalker: меня "идеи из zope" слишком уж сильно настораживают
[11:21:01] _lorien: А что, там нет хороших идей? Я просто zope не юзал вообще.
[11:21:25] deepwalker: да есть конечно, но в общем плане он сука монстр
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[11:22:42] Sevenov: _lorien, это типа говно убирать лопатай, а не палочкой тыкать.
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[11:23:32] _lorien: Sevenov, рядовой, чо сидишь, лопата есть - копай отсюда и до обеда
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[11:25:00] piranha: +1 к лопате
[11:25:07] piranha: repoze.bfg - дерьмо
[11:25:41] deepwalker: о, значит можно глубже не лазить, раз единогласно : ) а то мне все времени было жалко
[11:26:09] piranha: :)
[11:26:26] _lorien: хуйня, аргументы давайте
[11:27:44] piranha: а, пользуйся
[11:27:46] piranha: впадло
[11:27:50] piranha: там программирование на хмл
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[11:28:02] piranha: та блин, пойди туториал посмотри
[11:28:05] Sevenov: >программирование на хмл
ВМЕМОРИЗЗЗЗ
[11:28:08] piranha: этого должно хватить
[11:28:18] piranha: :)
[11:28:37] Sevenov: ПЕЙШИ ХОЙЛОАД СКАЛАБИЛИТИ НА ИКСЕМЕЛЬ
[11:28:52] Sevenov: ХАЙЛОЛОЛОАД
[11:29:11] deepwalker: супер стартап : )
[11:29:14] _lorien: да я не могу найти tutorial блин
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[11:29:28] _lorien: http://bfg.repoze.org/tutorialbin тут херня какая-то
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[11:29:44] deepwalker: на devconf ему будут петь хвалу
[11:29:50] Sevenov: _lorien, >тут херня какая-то
>repoze.bfg
[11:30:17] _lorien: deepwalker, кому, репозу.бфг?
[11:30:25] Sevenov: _lorien, попп же будет.
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[11:30:50] deepwalker: ага
[11:31:05] deepwalker: и еще там попп некий охаял twisted, засранец
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[11:56:21] wiz: кто-нибудь пробовал скрещивать твистед и gevent? что-то мне не нравится патчить PyKQueue под FreeBSD...
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[12:00:34] deepwalker: а как это - скрестить?
[12:00:56] deepwalker: а цель?
[12:01:13] wiz: ну всунуть gevent-овский patch_all и юзать select reactor
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[12:07:31] deepwalker: смысла то нет
[12:07:45] deepwalker: ну то есть они оба как ядро
[12:07:52] deepwalker: как модно скрестить два ядра, я хз
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[12:46:07] wiz: как-нибудь можно перетащить большой кусок sqlite3 в постгрес?
[12:46:14] wiz: бд 42 метра, а дампит уже чёрти сколько
[12:46:20] wiz: и тормозитттт
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[13:14:29] _lorien: как из сварги вытащить wsgi application объект, чтобы подсунуть его wsgi-серверу?
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[13:15:02] Joes: from svarga.core.handler import SvargaHandler
[13:15:20] Joes: app = SvargaHandler()
[13:15:23] Joes: оно?
[13:15:29] _lorien: пасибки, не знаю, ща проверю )
[13:15:41] Joes: смотри contrib.tornado
[13:15:47] Joes: или contrib.cherrypy
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[13:20:16] _lorien: А это как побороть?
AttributeError: 'Settings' object has no attribute 'SQLA_URL'
Мне как бы накуй не нужна алхимия :)
[13:20:33] Sevenov: Установи алхимию и юзай ее.
[13:20:44] Sevenov: ЛОРИЕН СЛОМАЛ СВАРГУ ААА
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[13:21:00] _lorien: Sevenov, не ломай мнемозг, он уже и так сломатый )
[13:21:01] Joes: гм
[13:21:10] Joes: трейс куда-то запости
[13:21:54] _lorien: http://dumpz.org/19126/
ну я закомментил эту переменную в settings.py )
[13:22:09] _lorien: т.к. мне не нужна алхимия, мне вообще ничего не надо, просто hello world проект пишу
[13:22:35] Joes: MODEL_BACKENDS = []
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[13:22:41] Joes: в конфиге
[13:22:55] Joes: по дефолту там сидит алхимия
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[13:23:17] _lorien: Тогда получаю AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'get_factory'
[13:23:26] Joes: ыхыхы
[13:23:41] Joes: ок, сейчас гляну
[13:23:51] Joes: никто сваргу без бекенда моделей не проверял
[13:23:57] Joes: запости тоже трейс
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[13:24:28] _lorien: http://dumpz.org/19127/
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[13:24:58] Joes: у тебя сессии подключены?
[13:25:20] _lorien: ага, щас отключу
[13:25:29] Joes: скорее всего да, а для них включен db backend
[13:25:35] Joes: вот оно после выключения и матерится
[13:25:56] _lorien: странно, почему в джанге не материлось, там я тоже бд не настраивал
[13:26:22] Joes: в джанге оно встроено
[13:26:26] Joes: в смысле ОРМка
[13:26:42] Joes: надо бы проверку в сессиях сделать
[13:26:57] Joes: что бы при выключенных моделях оно не падало
[13:27:03] Joes: а красиво материлось и выходило
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[13:28:55] _lorien: ну ормка то встроена, но я не прописывал в конфиге настройку бд
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[13:37:32] _lorien: теперь не могу под торнадой пускануть (этим способом я уже пускал и джангу и repoze.bfg):
http://dumpz.org/19128/
А вот клей для скрипта и сварги: http://dumpz.org/19129/
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[13:38:14] _lorien: т.е. скрипт лежат в директории, а проект со сваргой во вложенной директории, если зайти в ней и запустить ./manage.py runserver, то работает
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[13:39:59] deepwalker: Joes, надо наверное дефолтный бекенд возвращать, он как раз матернется на NotImplemented
[13:40:11] deepwalker: а не просто невнятный None
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[13:40:41] Joes: не
[13:40:50] deepwalker: а как?
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[13:41:04] Joes: там был включен contrib.sessions.backends.db
[13:41:07] deepwalker: _lorien, а не пробовал из директории с проектом?
[13:41:10] Joes: который решил моделей насоздавать
[13:41:21] Joes: а бекендов нет - создавать нечего
[13:41:41] deepwalker: хм, но есть же дефолтный бекенд, который умеет материться и имеет все методы
[13:41:56] deepwalker: то есть не дефолтный, а базовый
[13:41:58] Joes: т.е., наверное, вот этот factory() должен кидать эксепшн и материться
[13:42:06] Joes: базовый - алхимия, но ее нет
[13:42:10] Joes: т.е. не установлена как либа
[13:42:14] deepwalker: но get_factory это метод бекенда
[13:42:16] Joes: и настроек в конфиге нет
[13:42:47] deepwalker: не, он же специально сделал список пустым
[13:42:57] _lorien: джанга не матерится со включенным session и auth бэкендом, когда база не настроена
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[13:43:10] deepwalker: _lorien, это особенность приложений
[13:43:12] Joes: то что ненастроена - пофиксим
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[13:43:25] Joes: в смысле SQLA_URL будет необязательным
[13:43:33] deepwalker: _lorien, настрой кеш в памяти, и не будет
[13:43:42] Joes: ага
[13:44:17] Joes: _lorien: а чем svarga.contrib.tornado не нравится?
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[13:44:32] deepwalker: в общем случае это же фреймвок, а не cms, чтобы детально проверять все настройки, если ты тупо закомментил ненужный по твоему мнению параметр
[13:44:32] Joes: подключаешь его и запускаешь: manage.py tornado
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[13:45:02] _lorien: а я тут тестирую разныей фреймворки на helloword и не вижу причин почему бы не запустить сваргу тем скриптом, которым я всё запускал
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[13:45:16] Joes: ясно
[13:45:50] Joes: через runserv оно стартует?
[13:46:31] deepwalker: _lorien, хелловорлд не покажет некоторых особенностей : ) сделай вложенные шаблоны хотя бы
[13:46:38] deepwalker: и урлконф подлиннее
[13:46:52] _lorien: я понимаю,что не покажет
[13:47:02] Joes: from svarga.core.conf import init_settings
[13:47:03] _lorien: вложенные шаблоны это уже тест шаблонизатора )
[13:47:15] deepwalker: хе, а что с чем сравниваешь?
[13:47:30] Joes: в init_settings передаешь модуль с настройками
[13:47:32] _lorien: да я как бы понимаю что в тесте нет особого смысла :)
[13:47:36] Joes: т.е. import settings
[13:47:39] Joes: init_settings(settings)
[13:47:45] _lorien: ща попробую
[13:47:45] Joes: оно взлетит с твоим кодом.
[13:48:02] _lorien: сранивал repoze.bfg, django, django12, flask и вот пытаюсь svarga завести
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[13:49:42] deepwalker: _lorien, если джанго,то просто необходимо потестить шаблонизатор
[13:49:59] deepwalker: а про flask не слышал, надо глянуть для развития
[13:50:12] Joes: это от pocoo
[13:50:15] _lorien: работает как джанго по скорости )
[13:50:22] Joes: перверх веркцойг
[13:50:26] _lorien: чуууть-чуть быстрее, медленнее чем repoze.bfg
[13:50:29] Joes: _lorien: WSGI - да
[13:50:37] Joes: уже проверял.
[13:50:45] Joes: насколько медленнее?
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[13:51:23] Joes: и как оно относительно фласка?
[13:51:29] Joes: должно быть одинаково
[13:52:38] deepwalker: кто медленнее??
[13:52:47] Joes: сварга медленнее чем репоза
[13:52:50] _lorien: фласк ващетормоз :) не знаю,может я дебаг не отключил, он медленней всех
[13:52:51] Joes: на торнадо
[13:52:56] deepwalker: а, на торнао
[13:52:57] Joes: гмм
[13:53:01] deepwalker: торнадо вообще хрень
[13:53:08] Joes: странно тогда
[13:53:09] Sevenov: в репозе не вебоп разве?
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[13:53:12] Sevenov: алсо, он няшен.
[13:53:14] Joes: вебоп
[13:53:21] _lorien: да я запускаю ab -n100 -c10, надо больше по идее делать запросов, ну у джанги и сварги примерно 300-350 на моей машине
[13:53:25] _lorien: сварга побыстрее чуток
[13:53:48] Joes: у репозы?
[13:53:52] deepwalker: а я запускал через twisted : )
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[13:54:36] deepwalker: и со сварги выжал порядком, правда не помню сколько с джанги, но раза в два меньше. При том что у сварги был шаблон, а джнга порсто строчку отдавала
[13:57:17] _lorien: http://bitbucket.org/lorien/web_framework_test вообще вот тесты )
[13:58:07] Sevenov: _lorien, детский сад.
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[13:58:15] Sevenov: Что за тесты вообще такие?
[13:58:32] _lorien: Sevenov, блять, я выше написал, что смысла нет особого, ты жопой читаешь? :)
[13:58:39] Joes: ты лучше скажи сколько у репозы
[13:58:40] Sevenov: _lorien, жопой я сру.
[13:58:41] _lorien: я сегодня добрый :)
[13:58:47] Joes: что бы я спал спокойно
[13:58:48] _lorien: 450 )
[13:58:54] Joes: хех
[13:59:05] _lorien: Joes, ну скачай да сам запусти, там даже скрипты для установки есть
[13:59:12] _lorien: в install директории
[13:59:13] Joes: да мне влом :-)
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[14:03:25] _lorien: http://bitbucket.org/lorien/web_framework_test/src/tip/README вот если кто побаловаться захочет
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[14:04:53] _lorien: Ну так почему repoze быстрый такой?
[14:05:52] _lorien: а в сварге есть DEBUG? а то у меня в settings пусто на сей счёт
[14:06:05] _lorien: джанго со включенным DEBUG тормозит, например, даже на hello world
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[14:21:07] _lorien: deepwalker, а ты когда тестил, отключал DEBUG в джанге?
[14:21:41] deepwalker: а вот не скажу
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[14:22:19] deepwalker: надо заново постестить в общем
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[14:24:56] deepwalker: а бд у нас db-01?
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[14:25:40] _lorien: это ты кого спрашиваешь? )
[14:26:13] deepwalker: блин, сорри : )
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[14:27:02] Joes: в сварге дебага нет
[14:27:36] Joes: еще учти, у тебя тест для репозы неравнозначный
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[14:27:44] Joes: в джанге у тебя сессии, auth и т.д.
[14:27:52] Joes: оно все добавляет времени к обработке
[14:27:57] Joes: в сварге - только кеш
[14:28:02] Joes: он, в принципе, не влияет
[14:28:06] Joes: а в репозе - ничего
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[14:28:57] _lorien: а я щас отключил сессии и auth middleware ничего разрывного не произошло, ну да чуток быстрее стало )
[14:29:01] Joes: SESSION_PROVIDER = 'svarga.contrib.sessions.backends.cache'
[14:29:04] Joes: в сварге
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[14:29:26] Joes: и включай все
[14:31:24] Joes: а еще вопрос
[14:31:34] Joes: как репоза замаппила вьюхи
[14:31:39] Joes: в урлы
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[14:32:26] Joes: и еще учти - репоза урлы не парсит, во вьюхи
[14:32:32] Joes: джанга и веркцойг - парсят
[14:32:44] Joes: вот там может время теряться
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[14:43:10] deepwalker: а как тогда репоза урлы разбирает? split('/')?
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[14:44:14] Joes: а вот хз
[14:44:26] Joes: и вроде параметры не парсит
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[14:45:02] Joes: а не
[14:45:05] Joes: вот как: config.add_route(name='myroute', path='/prefix/:one/:two', view=myview)
[14:45:18] Joes: но в тестах выше, роутинг не юзается
[14:45:24] deepwalker: ааа
[14:45:31] deepwalker: то есть он есть, но его не заюзали
[14:45:37] Joes: угу
[14:45:45] Joes: ну и синтаксис стремный
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[14:45:55] Joes: у них параметр обязательно отделяется слешом
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[14:47:19] imbolc: Почему роутинг не юзается в тестах?
Попробуй запрсить /goodbye
[14:47:41] imbolc: config.add_view(goodbye_world, name='goodbye')
вот по name как-то роутит :)
[14:48:02] Joes: оно как-то подковерно создает правила роутинга?
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[14:48:29] imbolc: Ну видимо :)
[14:48:32] Joes: или у него два разных механизма роутинга,в случае добавления вьюхи и маршрута?
[14:48:39] Joes: я вот хз как там оно
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[14:49:03] imbolc: Там вообще какая-то схема графовая есть. И есть обычная. Я тоже хз.
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[14:49:34] imbolc: А если нету переменных в урле, чего Веркцойг будет парсить-то?
[14:49:58] Joes: ничего, в принципе
[14:50:15] Joes: ага, оно вьюху по этому дереву ищет
[14:50:22] Joes: т.е. таки два способа
[14:50:47] deepwalker: фе, это не пайтон вей
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[14:50:53] deepwalker: руби какой то развели тут
[14:51:28] Joes: а они и не отрицают
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[15:26:44] mr.oduvan: всем привет
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[15:28:24] deepwalker: hi
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[15:30:33] mr.oduvan: я тут мучаюсь с вимом, пытаюсь, из него сделать адекватную среду кодинга на питоне
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[15:31:12] mr.oduvan: кто нить с вимом дружить?
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[15:31:58] deepwalker: я дружу, но не скажу как его настраивать : )
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[15:32:28] mr.oduvan: да мне не надо рассказывать, как настраивать
[15:32:37] mr.oduvan: это наверно адски долго
[15:32:58] mr.oduvan: вот к примеру
[15:33:04] mr.oduvan: куда эти сеттинги вносить?
[15:33:06] mr.oduvan: http://www.vex.net/~x/python_and_vim.html
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[15:34:21] mr.oduvan: ~/.vimrc ?
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[15:35:24] mr.oduvan: и как их добавлять?
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[15:36:18] deepwalker: ну да, тупо кинуть в файл
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[15:36:55] mr.oduvan: просто эти строки тупо добавить в файл?
[15:37:04] mr.oduvan: tabstop=4
[15:38:05] deepwalker: http://paste.in.ua/667/ что то типа такого
[15:38:14] _lorien: mr.oduvan, я с вимом дружу X лет
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[15:38:34] deepwalker: mr.oduvan, там еще есть плугинчики
[15:38:40] _lorien: мой конфиг: from svarga.core.conf import init_settings
[15:38:44] _lorien: бля, не то
[15:38:48] _lorien: http://dumpz.org/19132/
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[15:39:47] mr.oduvan: круто... спасибо...
[15:39:56] mr.oduvan: да я просто пока статейку почитываю
[15:40:04] mr.oduvan: старенькую
[15:40:06] mr.oduvan: http://dumpz.org/19132/
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[15:40:08] mr.oduvan: ой
[15:40:12] mr.oduvan: http://allaboutvim.blogspot.com/2007/12/vim-python.html
[15:40:40] mr.oduvan: уточняю моменты непонятны
[15:40:42] mr.oduvan: е
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[15:42:38] deepwalker: _lorien, tnx, потаскал куски : )
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[15:43:37] _lorien: deepwalker, на здорове, вообще меня анноит навигация по буферам F2, F3, там постоянно сохраняется документ перед переходом в другой буфер и это иногда тормозит и вызывает всякие побочные эффекты типа рестара джанговского деба-сервера
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[15:50:54] _lorien: А на сварге живой сайт есть?
[15:51:16] wiz: http://localhost/
[15:51:33] Ляпатяпа: нет, сынок
[15:51:36] Ляпатяпа: это фантастика
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[15:52:17] _lorien: Joes, колись, есть ли на сварге сайты живые
[15:52:46] Joes: http://www.chavatar.com/
[15:52:58] Joes: из фишек - облако тегов строится рекурсивно
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[15:53:22] Joes: типа от выбранных фильтров берутся аватарки и множество их тегов и есть искомый тег клауд
[15:53:32] Joes: без сырого sql, кстати
[15:53:43] огыешсук: ll
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[15:53:54] Joes: и одним запросом.
[15:53:59] Joes: на sqlite :-)
[15:54:23] mr.oduvan: а плагины вимовские вы какие юзаете?
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[15:55:30] _lorien: та их вроде кладёшь в ~/.vim/plugins и они работать начинают, в любом случае в README плагина должна установка быть описана
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[15:57:09] _lorien: http://in-square.net/ чё-то странный сайт, хоть бы большими буквами написали In Square в шапке :)
[15:57:36] mr.oduvan: а что означет "<c-x,c-o>"
[15:58:16] wiz: открыть файл
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[15:58:31] Joes: да пофиг
[15:58:31] mr.oduvan: это из описание одного плагина
[15:58:32] mr.oduvan: "import url<c-x,c-o>"
[15:58:58] Joes: там логотип символизирует.
[15:59:03] огыешсук: это небось omnicompletion пытаются призвать
[15:59:13] mr.oduvan: угу
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[15:59:41] _lorien: Как-то сайт без портфолио подозрительно выглядит :)
[15:59:50] Joes: оно создавалось давно
[15:59:58] Joes: и не основное место работы
[16:00:00] mr.oduvan: и как-то не особо получется
[16:00:07] mr.oduvan: точнее не понимаю, как им пользоватся
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[16:01:07] огыешсук: в виме всё так
[16:01:14] огыешсук: поэтому я и перешел на емакс
[16:01:40] mr.oduvan: как?
[16:01:43] _lorien: а я в виме пару кнопок запомнил, так и живу X лет :)
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[16:05:14] mr.oduvan: так как им можно пользоватся в виме?
[16:05:28] mr.oduvan: вот этот плагин к себе кто-то циплял?
[16:05:29] огыешсук: только с бубном
[16:05:41] Typhon: esc + :q! -- главное правило работы в виме
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[16:07:12] deepwalker: Typhon, ZQ
[16:07:16] лорд Морфий is now Так хочется быть добрым и порядочным, особенно, когда понимаешь, что патронов на всех никогда не хватит.
[16:07:31] Typhon: deepwalker: я боюсь так нажимать :)
[16:07:42] Typhon: быстренько выйти и emacs ^_^
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[16:08:49] deepwalker: xkill -> emacs и быстренько vim
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[16:11:05] mr.oduvan: так
[16:11:13] mr.oduvan: хватить холиварить :)
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[16:11:29] Sevenov: Шотут?
[16:11:32] Sevenov: емакс - ненужное говно.
[16:11:43] Sevenov: Чо тут холиварить-то? Всё очевидно.
[16:11:56] Typhon: Sevenov: забавная шутка. 1ое апреля кончилось
[16:12:12] Sevenov: Typhon, расскажи шутку, а то я пропустил.
[16:12:57] Typhon: второй раз если повторить -- несмешно будет ^_^
[16:13:19] Sevenov: а, ок.
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[16:14:59] cutwater: Sevenov: vim ?
[16:15:09] Sevenov: cutwater, mcedit.
[16:15:22] cutwater: /me блеванул
[16:15:33] cutwater: Sevenov: ты бы еще nano предложил
[16:15:36] Sevenov: /me успел убрать тазик.
[16:15:44] Sevenov: cutwater, ee FTW!
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[16:16:24] Typhon: ee, кстати, хороший
[16:16:37] Typhon: пока emacs не установлен
[16:16:54] cutwater: я пока emacs неосилил
[16:17:08] cutwater: говорят надо Ctrl на CapsLock назначить
[16:17:30] Sevenov: А shift на PageUp
[16:17:42] Sevenov: и 1234567890 на ячсмитьбю.
[16:17:50] Sevenov: и будет настоящий Ъ имакс
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[16:30:18] mr.oduvan: а этим кто-нибуть пользовался?
[16:30:21] mr.oduvan: http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=273
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[16:41:00] mr.oduvan: source ~/.vim/cyr_keys.vim
[16:41:12] mr.oduvan: deepwalker
[16:41:15] mr.oduvan: а что это?
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[16:51:39] wiz: можно как-нибудь в один SQL-запрос вытащить последний по timestamp элемент для определённого набора where?
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[16:52:16] Typhon: order + limit ? или я вопроса не понял? )
[16:52:27] wiz: ага, вот только как и что там делать
[16:52:48] wiz: есть тонна строк с таймштампами и полем fkey_id
[16:52:56] mr.oduvan: а что означает <S-F7>
[16:53:07] wiz: как бы для каждого fkey_id вытащить последний для него по timestamp
[16:53:18] wiz: mr.oduvan, супер-ф7?
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[16:54:00] mr.oduvan: может Шыфт?
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[16:55:32] Typhon: wizm если правильно понял, select fkey, max(tmstmp) group by fkey
[16:55:38] Typhon: не? :)
[16:55:42] wiz: мммм
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[16:56:00] wiz: а сработает? (=
[16:56:07] Typhon: да
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[16:58:44] Typhon: wiz: еще дикое решение: если кол-вол fkey_id разных заранее известно, то order по двум колонкам и лимит = колву фкеев ^___^
[16:59:02] wiz: гы
[16:59:25] wiz: невзлетит вроде
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[16:59:35] wiz: если два тс для одного фкея идут подряд
[16:59:43] wiz: там они абы как идут
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[17:00:52] mr.oduvan: чот я тож задачку не понял
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[17:01:43] mr.oduvan: select * where some_case order by tmstmp limit 1
[17:02:16] wiz: mr.oduvan, их там много
[17:02:18] Typhon: wiz: да, не получится, а жаль, клевый метод ^_^
[17:02:29] Typhon: ну с группировкой ок все -- делай :)
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[17:05:00] mr.oduvan: их - это кого?
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[17:12:46] wiz: Typhon, работает, но скорость - пздц
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[17:13:52] wiz: хотя если только индексированые выбирать, то ок
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[17:16:50] deepwalker: mr.oduvan, а это то, что у lorien-a в конце - маппинги русских клваиш
[17:17:48] wiz: со вложеным селектом вообще хорошо
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[17:21:51] cutwater: wiz: поясни
[17:22:13] cutwater: сорри, отстал от логов
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[17:23:35] Sevenov: Кстати, а молдоване все похожи? А то видел фото Лиса и Дмитрия Диманда -- один человек же.
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[17:37:17] wiz: sqlite (:
[17:37:34] wiz: посгрес свалился в дедлог и прихватил с собой фряху )=
[17:37:39] wiz: *дедлок
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[17:38:36] alecs: может кто-то рассказать про веб-сервисы ? Как запустить простейший веб-сервис на lighttpd ?
[17:38:58] alecs: :( совсем запутался с этими cgi , fastcgi , wsgi ... ужас полный
[17:39:30] Sevenov: apache + mod_php5
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[17:40:49] alecs: да при чём здесь ...
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[17:41:55] alecs: я так понимаю сервис это обычный скрипт , который будет выполняться в fastcgi окружении и надо копать в сторону ZSI библиотеки
[17:42:02] alecs: если не так - бейте ногами
[17:42:06] cutwater: очевидно при том что пхп лучший выбор :)
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[17:42:35] alecs: это почему
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[17:43:21] Sevenov: потому что очевидно.
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[17:43:41] cutwater: Кэп нам как бы намекает
[17:43:58] Sevenov: Кэп даже сына своего назвал Сыном, так что он знает толк.
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[17:44:40] Typhon: wiz: а сколько строк, и чой то постгрес в дедлок? ты какие настройки настраивал иму?
[17:44:43] alecs: оченьвидно ему ...
[17:44:44] Typhon: и какая верстя, да
[17:45:01] Typhon: *версия
[17:45:02] deepwalker: alecs, apache + mod_wsgi
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[17:45:10] cutwater: alecs: даю подсказку начать с чтения документации
[17:45:11] deepwalker: для меньшего мозготраха, для начала
[17:45:31] alecs: ггг
[17:45:38] cutwater: /me предпочитает nginx + cherrypy
[17:45:44] alecs: на mod_wsgi запустить что-то это как два пальца ...
[17:45:54] deepwalker: а нахрен тебе fcgi?
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[17:46:17] alecs: сервер такой ... lighttpd + fastcgi
[17:46:19] cutwater: deepwalker: этот его lighttpd вероятно его не умеет
[17:46:27] wiz: Typhon, я хз. я json дамп начал заливать и так и не закончил
[17:46:41] alecs: иногда бывают ситуации когда не ты главный :)
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[17:46:49] wiz: отцепил терминал, а эта дура теперь килл -9 не убивается
[17:47:05] deepwalker: alecs, fcgi корявка
[17:47:10] wiz: отправил удалённо в ребут. оно видимо начало дожидаться остановки пг и тоже повисло раком
[17:47:10] deepwalker: но его нафиг
[17:47:14] cutwater: менять работу
[17:47:14] alecs: почему
[17:47:19] deepwalker: главному поясни это
[17:47:24] alecs: ггг
[17:47:30] alecs: почему
[17:47:35] alecs: это же не аргумент
[17:47:49] cutwater: wsgi стандарт де-факто
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[17:48:27] deepwalker: alecs, ну если ты сам все знаешь, и тебе нужен аргумент, то чего спрашиваешь? это результат опыта работы - не нравятся мне такие кривые связки
[17:48:44] cutwater: alecs: вообще кто мешает поднять cherrypy сервер и настроить проксирование на lighttpd
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[17:49:26] wiz: cutwater, ковры в три слоя (=
[17:49:31] cutwater: ну зато работает
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[17:49:46] wiz: light не нужен тогда уж
[17:49:57] cutwater: я в связке с nginx использовал. ниче так
[17:49:58] wiz: у меня чери без всего приличный рпс выдавали
[17:50:08] wiz: лайт в связке с nginx? o_O
[17:50:16] cutwater: чери
[17:50:18] deepwalker: ну не надо wsgi сервером на питоне раздавать статику
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[18:04:34] alecs: никогда не работал с cherrypy
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[18:04:52] alecs: нет , просто нужно ещё и аргументировать
[18:05:04] alecs: а просто говорить "мои трусы самые лучшие" - это несерьёзно
[18:05:13] alecs: хоть имхо добавляй
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[18:06:12] deepwalker: wsgi стандарт, недостаточно? : )
[18:06:21] deepwalker: причем очень широко поддерживаемый
[18:06:30] deepwalker: в отличие от
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[20:47:26] mr.oduvan: вимовцам
[20:47:39] mr.oduvan: http://boombick.org/blog/posts/84
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[21:07:16] xa4a: mr.oduvan: http://rayninfo.co.uk/vimtips.html
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[21:11:23] mr.oduvan: :)
[21:11:25] mr.oduvan: жесть
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[21:22:45] _lorien: Прикол, я не знал, что на бакете есть один бесплатный private репо )
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[22:25:56] Joes: http://mockit.blogspot.com/2010/04/mess-djangos-in.html
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[22:30:37] _lorien: не, ну реально, какой бы клёвый код внутри не был, без документации удел проекта - игрушка для гиков
[22:31:00] _lorien: т.е. как бы то что у сварги нету документации это напрягает и то что сайтов на сварге нету тоже напрягает )
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[22:34:55] deepwalker: аХа
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[22:35:12] deepwalker: игрушка для гиков : ) а фреймворки кто юзает то?
[22:35:17] deepwalker: домохозяйки?
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[22:35:42] deepwalker: и дока кстати есть - jinja2, много доки, werkzeug, тоже
[22:36:23] _lorien: это отмазка, авторы фреймворка делают клей, на клей должна быть документация
[22:37:06] _lorien: Ибо без неё непонятно, как клей этот юзать или понятно, но не всегда это понятие верное :) Конечно, очень увлекательно копаться в сорцах, но всё же документация экономит время.
[22:37:44] _lorien: deepwalker, я просто поделил пользователей фреймворков на гиков и обычных, которые предпочитают юзать что-то документированное :)
[22:38:21] _lorien: называй их домохозяйками, если угодно
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[22:40:06] Joes: _lorien: так никто ж сваргу не расхваливает
[22:40:11] Joes: да и то что док нет - плохо
[22:40:27] Joes: ну и времени ими заниматься пока тоже не хватает
[22:40:56] _lorien: Joes, ну просто я озвучил, что меня напрягает :) У меня нет какой-то особой ненависти к сварге :)
[22:41:17] Joes: да меня это тоже напрягает
[22:41:21] Joes: но пока коммунити нет
[22:41:36] Joes: правда если не будет док, то и коммунити не будет
[22:41:37] Joes: хех
[22:41:40] Joes: замкнутый круг
[22:41:42] _lorien: :)
[22:42:03] _lorien: надо маньяка, которому нравится доки писать )
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[23:09:46] alecs: def average(*args):
a = sum(*args)
[23:09:55] alecs: почему a - лист ?
[23:10:20] alecs: вот такой код валится : def average(*args):
return [sum(*args) / len(args)]

[23:10:55] Sevenov: хз
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[23:10:58] Sevenov: >>> (lambda *nums: sum(nums))(1,2,3,4,5)
15
[23:11:00] Sevenov: всё ок.
[23:11:15] Typhon: sum(...)
sum(sequence[, start]) -> value
[23:11:17] alecs: unsupported operand type(s) for /: 'list' and 'int'
[23:11:18] Typhon: справку читать надо
[23:11:34] Sevenov: >_<
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[23:12:07] alecs: :-/ стрянно
[23:12:39] mr.oduvan: pdb?
[23:13:26] Sevenov: alecs, нихуя, всё работает:
>>> (lambda *nums: [sum(nums)/len(nums)])(1,2,3,4,5)
[3]
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[23:14:09] alecs: вот так у меня работает :
[23:14:11] alecs: def average(*args):
return [sum(*args)[0] / len(args)]
[23:14:21] _lorien: а у меня мозг сломался
[23:14:37] Sevenov: ПИЗДЕЦ
[23:14:41] alecs: что
[23:14:43] Sevenov: я ушел отсюды
[23:14:46] Sevenov: спасаюсь
[23:14:48] alecs: )))
[23:14:55] Sevenov: да, я как крыса с тонущего корабля.
[23:14:58] alecs: какой python ?
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[23:15:36] mr.oduvan: return [sum(*args) / len(args)]

[23:15:46] mr.oduvan: звездочка помоему лишняя
[23:15:55] _lorien: чо, кто-нить наслаждался работой с django-mongokit?
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[23:16:54] alecs: нет , не лишняя
[23:16:55] alecs: потому как sum получит лист
[23:18:22] mr.oduvan: ты увидел, что тебе человек умный написал?
[23:18:24] mr.oduvan: (lambda *nums: [sum(nums)/len(nums)])(1,2,3,4,5)
[23:18:37] Typhon: alecs, help(sum) епта
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[23:19:21] alecs: и что
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[23:19:44] alecs: sum(sequence[, start]) -> value

Returns the sum of a sequence
[23:20:10] mr.oduvan: не спешите, я записываю
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[23:21:16] Typhon: sequence!!!
[23:22:15] Typhon: lambda seq:(lambda (cnt, sm):sm/cnt)(reduce(lambda (count, acc), curr: (count+1, acc+curr), seq, (0, 0)))
[23:22:26] mr.oduvan: Typhon, "и что"
[23:22:45] alecs: главное не забыть себя умным назвать
[23:22:47] Typhon: mr.oduvan, "звездочка помоему лишняя"
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[23:24:30] mr.oduvan: (он ушел и громко хопнул дверью)
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[23:46:39] _lorien: тут есть юзвери mongodb? интересно mongokit vs mongoengine
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