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[02:22:56] PC is now offline
[02:23:28] gigimon: а что для джанги есть для создания регистрации и входа на сайт через твиттер,фейсбук, опенид, возможно и вконтакте чтобы был
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[02:26:00] gigimon: кто-то юзал django-publicauth и socialauth?
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[02:41:17] deepwalker: а ведь как просто на самом деле можно было бы жить, если бы FB и его клон не выеживались бы
[02:41:44] deepwalker: хотя может они просто не осилили спеку на oauth...
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[07:23:17] огыешсук: а айпадами кто-нибудь тут пользуется? Стоит девайсинка своих 499$?
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[08:16:19] огыешсук: no one?
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[08:51:20] wiz: если тебя парит цена, то не стоит
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[09:37:31] Trec is now ммммм...
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[09:39:32] Trec: как в питоне в регулярке указать искать по всей переменой, то есть не останавливаться на первом найденном элементе или как бы найти первое совпадение, записать в переменную и продолжить искать дальше, дописывая совпадения в список?
[09:40:49] wiz: findall
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[09:43:02] Trec: wiz: Спасибо.
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[10:44:42] tilarids: а mod_wsgi под nginx так и не стабилизировался?
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[10:44:56] tilarids: /me не умеет настраивать апач нормально :)
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[10:48:19] deepwalker: а nginx умеешь? Я тут его крутил - и как то мой энтузиазисм на его счет резко протух
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[10:50:25] mishok13: что там крутить-то?
[10:50:28] mishok13: простой как пробка
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[10:51:30] Ляпатяпа: ага
[10:51:32] deepwalker: ага, очень, с неоднозначностями в доке
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[10:53:01] deepwalker: например написано там - $http_ - типа будут все заголовки. Но когда пишешь http_Content-Hryuryu, то ему почему то не нравится `-`
[10:53:28] deepwalker: и никгде не сказано, что надо писать $http_content_hryuryu
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[10:53:57] deepwalker: и вот это я считаю проблемой
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[11:08:58] mr.oduvan: народ. глупый вопрос... но мне для уверенности
[11:09:41] mr.oduvan: я деньги в моделях джанги храню всегда в интовом поле
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[11:09:55] mr.oduvan: в копейках :)
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[11:10:08] mr.oduvan: я вот думаю, мож сделать такой тип поля
[11:10:25] wiz: да, nginx местами убивает
[11:10:27] Darth Лис: вариант, чо
[11:10:35] mr.oduvan: что в админке вбивались через запятую
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[11:10:47] mr.oduvan: а сохранялись уже в инт
[11:10:49] Darth Лис: ты ему = '1.05' а в базу 105 лезет
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[11:11:07] mr.oduvan: тип того
[11:11:37] mr.oduvan: я подумал, мож в джанге что-то приятное на эту тему уже есть?
[11:12:19] Darth Лис: погугли какой нибудь django money или чо нибудь типа того
[11:12:29] mr.oduvan: :)
[11:12:54] xa4a: есть тип поля, называется numeric
[11:13:01] xa4a: а чего ты решил хранить деньги в копейках?
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[11:14:25] mr.oduvan: для сухранности
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[11:14:58] xa4a: numeric хранит циферки с заданной точностью
[11:15:10] xa4a: или decimal
[11:15:12] xa4a: как оно там
[11:15:17] mr.oduvan: еще из перла помню кучу аноманий с плавающей точкой
[11:15:39] wiz: decimal
[11:15:44] xa4a: ох уж этот перл!
[11:15:52] mr.oduvan: DecimalField
[11:16:16] mishok13: это всё перл виноват, ага
[11:16:41] mr.oduvan: опа как при слове перл то все оживились
[11:17:20] xa4a: в нём ещё, небось, 1./5 = 0.20000000000000001
[11:17:41] mishok13: СВОЛОЧЬ
[11:17:45] mishok13: НЕТОЧТОВПИТОНЕ
[11:18:00] mishok13: oh wait...
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[11:35:07] mr.oduvan: да. спасибо. Decimal - то, что надо
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[11:37:04] Darth Лис: /me поглядел как делал когда-то
# balance :decimal(10, 2) default(0.0), not null
[11:37:26] Darth Лис: кеке
[11:37:59] mishok13: пипец
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[11:38:59] Darth Лис: а чо?
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[11:40:19] mishok13: не люблю дефолты в базе
[11:40:44] Darth Лис: ну да, нашару забивает место
[11:41:03] mishok13: баги могут вылезти пренеприятнейшие
[11:41:20] Darth Лис: /me не сталкивался с багами из-за дефолта в полях
[11:41:34] mishok13: good for you :)
[11:41:40] Darth Лис: mishok13: пример можешь привести?
[11:41:44] Darth Лис: на будущее, таксказать
[11:42:30] mishok13: я точно знаю что у нас с биллингом была проблема
[11:42:38] mishok13: у нас несколько импортеров
[11:42:43] mishok13: для разных сервисов
[11:43:01] mishok13: и когда у нас опять поменялась схема, то все кроме одного обновились
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[11:43:27] mishok13: и этот один, получается, записывал, по сути, accesstime = 0.0
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[11:44:15] mishok13: мы это быстро обнаружили, когда на следующий день увидели отсутствие запросов за вчера
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[12:03:42] mr.oduvan: Еще вопрос...
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[12:03:53] mr.oduvan: ой.. я Вас всех так давно не видел... сразу столько вопросов :)
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[12:05:19] mr.oduvan: мне, чтоб джанга в виртуаленве поддерживала постгри надо ставить psycopg2==2.2.1
[12:06:02] mr.oduvan: а ему для работы необходим egenix-mx-base и я хоть убей не могу поставить его через пип
[12:06:39] mr.oduvan: надо только качать зипник, распаковывать и python setup.py install
[12:07:16] Darth Лис: чота... а разве psycopg не отвязались от mx-base?
[12:07:30] Darth Лис: мне казалось вроде сбросили эту зависимость в одном из релизов
[12:07:44] Darth Лис: хотя конечно может я чото и путаю (:
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[12:11:14] nmk: да вроде там осталось только egenix-mxdatetime. судя по apt-cache
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[12:23:41] nmk: а никто не встерчал какого-нибудь аналога subprocess (кроме subprocdev, который pep-324) что бы в нем read был не блокируемый?
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[12:24:48] Typhon: nmk: кажется кто-то делал, но это вроде и есть 324 :)
[12:25:04] nmk: ну там последний комит в 9ом году
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[12:26:47] Typhon: nmk: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/636561/how-can-i-run-an-external-command-asynchronously-from-python тут нету подходящего?
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[12:30:18] nmk: ну если только asyncproc, но он еще старее чем 324 :). буду с 324 играться. у меня просто запускается несколько процессов, один пишет в пайп, другой читает. иногда первый не запускается. к пайпу никто не ципляется и второй процесс тупо висит и в stdout ничего не пишет, а сделать poll() и посмотреть я не могу, так как read ждет..
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[12:31:21] nmk: мониторищий тред ко всей это ерунде не хочется запускать
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[12:33:02] deepwalker: http://twistedmatrix.com/documents/current/core/howto/process.html
[12:33:06] deepwalker: может так можно?
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[12:33:50] nmk: ох
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[12:34:44] nmk: спасибо, но с твистедом мне солжно сейчас будет. я его никогда не использовал нигде.
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[12:41:18] mishok13: ALL HAIL TWISTED!
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[12:44:33] deepwalker: mishok13, не перевелось, это видимо обозначает географическую точку, где все видели этот самый twisted?
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[12:45:11] mishok13: футураму не смотришь?
[12:46:52] deepwalker: с переводом
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[12:48:20] mishok13: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yoJI-Tl94g&feature=related
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[12:49:13] deepwalker: ммм, влом смотреть на жабу
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[12:49:20] deepwalker: может просто подскажешь, что это означало?
[12:50:18] mishok13: ну эээ приветствовать
[12:50:34] mishok13: салютовать
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[12:54:20] nmk: религия, блядь
[12:54:38] nmk: :)
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[12:54:53] nmk: я корчое через select сделал. один хер только posix нужен
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[12:55:12] deepwalker: nmk, это как?
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[12:55:56] nmk: ну в цикле делаю select([proc.stderr], [], [], 1), потом смотрю есть ли в rlist то что мне надо и если есть, то читаю.
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[12:56:04] nmk: proc это popen
[12:56:12] nmk: ну в смысле subprocess.Popen
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[12:56:42] nmk: как в _communicate из subprocess
[12:57:16] deepwalker: ага, tnx
[12:57:33] deepwalker: а что за select?
[12:57:42] deepwalker: ну то есть из какого модуля, чтобы почитать
[12:57:54] nmk: ну. select системный вызов. из модуля select :) select.select
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[12:58:13] mishok13: блялол
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[12:58:37] mishok13: /me в восторге от вопроса про селект
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[12:59:04] deepwalker: mishok13, ? я им никогда в жизни не пользовался, слышал только в общих чертах
[12:59:07] nmk: mishok13: у каждого своя специфика. нах мне допустим в вебе селект?
[12:59:18] deepwalker: вот решил восполнить
[12:59:25] mishok13: человек твистед постоянно рекламирует
[12:59:31] mishok13: а про селект не знает
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[12:59:37] nmk: :)
[12:59:37] deepwalker: почему не знаю? : )
[12:59:49] deepwalker: и зачем мне о нем знать, если у меня есть Twisted!
[13:00:15] deepwalker: но вот на всякий случай, если твистеда вдруг не будет, я и хочу почитать
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[13:00:26] mishok13: ну эээ какбы :/
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[13:00:38] mishok13: твистед в том числе и на селекте построен
[13:00:46] deepwalker: да ладно, мне может еще и исходники питона изучить досконально?
[13:01:00] deepwalker: или там вызовы ядра для epoll-a?
[13:01:10] mishok13: по-моему, ты слегка зациклился на твистеде
[13:01:27] deepwalker: это обманчивое впечатление : )
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[13:01:41] deepwalker: в твистеде все таки больше одного ядра не захавать
[13:01:58] mishok13: еполл это не системный вызов
[13:02:17] mishok13: точнее, не функция ядра
[13:02:28] deepwalker: то есть ядру не надо поддерживать epoll?
[13:02:29] mishok13: исходники питона читать полезно
[13:02:57] deepwalker: можно значить ипол заюзать на фре, видимо
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[13:03:16] mishok13: она просто юзает специфические линуксовые API
[13:03:18] mishok13: вот и всё
[13:03:33] deepwalker: epoll это и есть специфичная линуксовая примочка
[13:03:34] mishok13: точно так же как и kqueue на фре
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[13:04:13] deepwalker: и раз мы говорим о линукс, значит мы говорим о ядре
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[13:04:23] mishok13: охблять
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[13:04:34] mishok13: ладно, твистедоебов нельзя тормошить, я понял
[13:05:09] deepwalker: м, но можно прояснить свою точку зрению
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[13:05:55] deepwalker: а твистед просто сделан правильно в своей основе, в отличие от торнадо к примеру
[13:06:28] mishok13: да, конечно -- твистедофаны, как ты, считают что именно твистед является ответом на любой вопрос, содержащий в себе слова "сеть", "протокол", "асинхронность"
[13:06:42] mishok13: это прекрасно, не нельзя забывать о гораздо более простых альтернативах
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[13:07:43] mishok13: threading, socket, select, urllib(2), httplib(2) -- комбинации этих модулей хватает для выполнения 90% задач и не требует понимания внутренностей и принципов работы твистеда
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[13:08:25] mishok13: то есть, это прекрасно, что среди нас есть любители этого подхода, но твистедофаны любят его совать куда попало
[13:08:35] deepwalker: ты серьезно считаешь, что я его пихаю куда попало?
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[13:08:59] deepwalker: вот если мне нужно получить страничку, то я прям таки начинаю на твистеде извращаться сразу?
[13:09:02] mishok13: твоя ссылка на twisted.process в ответ на достаточно простой вопрос
[13:09:15] mishok13: весьма показательна
[13:09:37] deepwalker: ничем она не показательна - в этом случае вполне возможно было бы проще именно так сделать
[13:09:53] mishok13: i rest my case
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[13:10:19] deepwalker: сколько угодно : )
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[13:36:20] Ляпатяпа: а я хилисы купил
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[13:38:22] deepwalker: что это?
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[13:41:25] Ляпатяпа: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A5%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%81
[13:41:38] Ляпатяпа: кроссовки роликовые
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[13:46:30] deepwalker: прикольные штуки
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[13:49:13] Darth Лис: да, отличная штука что бы изобразить страуса в зоопарке (процесс втыкания головой в асфальт)
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[13:49:39] deepwalker: скорее сесть на попу
[13:49:54] deepwalker: на пятках же колеса
[13:50:07] deepwalker: мне кажется, что вероятнее, что ноги вперед поедут
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[13:59:20] wiz_: "Ролико-кроссовки позволяют развивать скорость до 50 км/ч." лолшто?
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[13:59:52] Typhon: "если зацепиться за грузовик"
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[14:07:34] Ляпатяпа: они наверно и 100км позволяют, только никто столько не ездит
[14:07:46] novus42 is now ♫ Song Pong
[14:08:49] mishok13: sky is the limit
[14:08:50] erraen is now online
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[14:09:08] novus42 is now ♫ Converting Vegetarians
[14:09:09] novus42 is now ♫ Converting Vegetarians
[14:09:40] Zubchick is now online
[14:10:47] PC is now online
[14:12:47] novus42 is now ♫ Converting Vegetarians
[14:12:58] grigory.e is now Yep, I'm here.
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[14:13:50] novus42 is now online
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[14:19:17] novus42 is now ♫ Converting Vegetarians
[14:19:18] novus42 is now ♫ Converting Vegetarians
[14:19:33] PC is now online
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[14:21:55] novus42 is now ♫ Albibeno
[14:21:56] novus42 is now ♫ Albibeno
[14:22:17] MAVr is now xa
[14:22:46] novus42 is now ♫ Albibeno
[14:23:34] wiz: Ляпатяпа, сильно часто спотыкаешься на них?
[14:23:50] Ляпатяпа: пока ни разу не убрался
[14:23:52] erraen is now online
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[14:24:11] mishok13 is now online
[14:24:18] Ляпатяпа: но я пока по квартире катаюсь, чуть больше метра
[14:24:41] wiz: поверхность часто задеваешь или segway-style, не касаясь едешь?
[14:24:42] Zubchick is now online
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[14:25:02] Ляпатяпа: задеваешь поверхность = останавливаешься
[14:25:12] MAVr is now Да, я тут
[14:25:17] Ляпатяпа: пока не задеваешь - едешь
[14:25:42] Ляпатяпа: как задел - пытаешься сохранить равновесие и на носки встаешь
[14:26:01] evgin is now offline
[14:26:33] Ляпатяпа: я на роликах обычных ни разу не катался, да и коньки давно не надевал, так что тяжело учиться
[14:27:04] novus42 is now ♫ Chaplin
[14:27:04] novus42 is now ♫ Converting Vegetarians
[14:27:06] novus42 is now ♫ Converting Vegetarians
[14:27:08] novus42 is now ♫ I Wish
[14:27:16] novus42 is now ♫ The Gathering
[14:27:17] novus42 is now ♫ The Gathering
[14:27:20] novus42 is now ♫ Sailing in the Sea of Mushroom
[14:27:22] novus42 is now ♫ Sailing in the Sea of Mushroom
[14:27:29] novus42 is now ♫ Dracul
[14:27:30] novus42 is now ♫ Dracul
[14:27:39] novus42 is now ♫ Mush Mushi
[14:27:40] novus42 is now ♫ Mush Mushi
[14:27:46] novus42 is now ♫ Mush Mushi
[14:27:51] evgin is now dnd
[14:28:19] wiz: а толкаться - носком?
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[14:28:53] _lorien is now xa
[14:29:40] Zubchick is now online
[14:31:17] mishok13 is now away
[14:32:42] deepwalker: а ходить на цыпочках : )
[14:32:45] novus42 is now ♫ Mush Mushi
[14:33:51] erraen is now online
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[14:35:09] novus42 is now ♫ Before
[14:35:10] novus42 is now ♫ Before
[14:35:22] Ляпатяпа: ходить можно почти нормально
[14:35:32] Ляпатяпа: толкаться - толком сам не понимаю
[14:35:47] Ляпатяпа: когда стоишь - как будто туфли на каблуках
[14:36:03] Ляпатяпа: ну и ролик съемный, вместо него можно заглушку поставить
[14:36:23] Ляпатяпа: я о них кстати у Каганова узнал
[14:36:56] Ляпатяпа: http://lleo.aha.ru/dnevnik/2009/09/28.html
[14:37:09] Ляпатяпа: ладно, пойду с собакой гулять и заодно покатаюсь
[14:37:45] novus42 is now ♫ Before
[14:37:50] novus42 is now online
[14:37:50] novus42 is now online
[14:38:52] erraen is now online
[14:39:00] mr.oduvan is now dnd
[14:39:13] deepwalker: неееееет!
[14:39:25] deepwalker: только не с собакой :)
[14:39:42] Zubchick is now online
[14:41:17] novus42 is now ♫ Before
[14:41:18] novus42 is now ♫ Before
[14:41:19] mishok13 is now xa
[14:42:44] novus42 is now ♫ Before
[14:43:52] erraen is now online
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[14:45:32] novus42 is now ♫ Yanko Pitch
[14:45:33] novus42 is now ♫ Yanko Pitch
[14:47:44] novus42 is now ♫ Yanko Pitch
[14:47:54] wiz: туфли на каблуках? это к ним надо колготки тогда
[14:48:38] tilarids is now online
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[14:52:20] Ляпатяпа is now xa
[14:52:44] novus42 is now ♫ Yanko Pitch
[14:53:06] novus42 is now online
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[15:07:41] tex3d is now Да, я здесь.
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[15:48:54] MAVr is now Да, я тут
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[15:54:34] Typhon: имеется у кого-нибудь тестовые задачки на питон хорошие? (сервер-сайд-веб-разработчик) для отсеивания совсем тупых перед собеседованием? (открываем филиал в другом городе, собеседовать будем кучку сразу, не хотелось бы просто так кататься :) )
[15:54:46] Zubchick is now online
[15:55:51] wiz: написать социальную сеть
[15:55:54] wiz: за час
[15:56:11] mishok13: тю, это только рубистов отсеет
[15:56:12] Typhon: петросян.жпг
[15:56:37] wiz: я серьёзно :3
[15:56:39] mishok13: Typhon, могу скинуть наши тестовые задания
[15:57:06] Typhon: mishok13: давай, если мне не придется вашей конторе душу продать :)
[15:57:22] Typhon: мыло кинуть или как?
[15:57:34] Ляпатяпа is now online
[15:57:40] novus42 is now online
[15:57:41] mishok13: душу не прийдётся, это точно
[15:57:54] wiz: и мне и мне кинь
[15:58:58] mishok13: тебе-то зачем?
[15:59:00] erraen is now online
[15:59:12] mishok13: чтобы собеседование у Typhon'а пройти?
[15:59:46] Zubchick is now online
[15:59:56] mr.oduvan is now dnd
[16:00:21] wiz: нет, к тебе на работу устроиться
[16:02:33] deepwalker: Typhon, что за город?
[16:02:40] novus42 is now online
[16:03:44] Typhon: deepwalker: тула
[16:03:59] erraen is now online
[16:04:05] xa4a is now online
[16:04:08] deepwalker: ух, ни за чтбо не подумал
[16:04:33] deepwalker: и много там питонистов?
[16:04:46] Zubchick is now online
[16:05:04] Typhon: deepwalker: вот посмотрим сколько :)
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[16:10:35] dicos is now online
[16:12:27] xa4a: ещё можно написать dumpz
[16:12:40] novus42 is now online
[16:12:46] xa4a: а то давно никто не писал
[16:14:00] erraen is now online
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[16:16:05] wiz: How would you sort an indefinitely large list of booleans?
[16:16:08] wiz: return True (8
[16:16:56] wiz: их же бесконечно много
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[16:19:30] mishok13 is now xa
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[16:20:32] xa4a: /me подозревает, что если открыть SO по теги питон, то можно нашкрести разнообразных задачек
[16:20:34] mishok13 is now online
[16:21:10] mishok13: да, кстати
[16:21:12] SV0L0CH: wiz: а если там нет True?
[16:21:47] xa4a: SV0L0CH: это будет эвристический алгоритм
[16:22:01] wiz: SV0L0CH, откуда ты знаешь?
[16:22:20] wiz: просто итератор ещё до них не дошёл (ж
[16:22:40] novus42 is now online
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[16:23:14] SV0L0CH: скорость O(1) это хорошо, особенно для бесконечных списков %)
[16:23:15] novus42 is now online
[16:23:17] novus42 is now ♫ Yanko Pitch
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[16:28:57] MAVr is now Да, я тут
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[16:30:29] novus42 is now ♫ Becoming Insane
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[16:35:24] novus42 is now ♫ Spaniard
[16:35:25] novus42 is now ♫ Spaniard
[16:37:38] novus42 is now ♫ Spaniard
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[16:42:08] MAVr is now Да, я тут
[16:42:38] novus42 is now ♫ Spaniard
[16:43:02] novus42 is now ♫ Blue Muppet
[16:43:03] novus42 is now ♫ Blue Muppet
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[16:47:38] novus42 is now ♫ Blue Muppet
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[16:51:11] novus42 is now ♫ Funchameleon
[16:51:12] novus42 is now ♫ Funchameleon
[16:52:38] novus42 is now ♫ Funchameleon
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[17:08:28] tex3d is now Да, я здесь.
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[20:38:31] deepwalker: опрос - вот в джанго есть всякая фигня типа verbose_name, verbose_names, choices. Сидит это в описание поля.
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[20:39:00] deepwalker: куда можно это еще сунуть, так как есть возражение - это все не относится к собственно модели
[20:39:08] deepwalker: это представление, а не данные
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[20:39:37] Ляпатяпа: choices - возможные данные
[20:40:01] deepwalker: ну допустим, но используются они вообще в формах
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[20:40:20] deepwalker: это про сваргу
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[20:40:38] deepwalker: мне недостает всяких штук, я предложил сделать параметр meta={...}
[20:40:42] deepwalker: чтобы не морочиться
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[20:41:07] deepwalker: ну или сделать специальный класс
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[20:41:16] Ляпатяпа: а я наоборот в модели джанговские дофига всего пихаю
[20:41:19] deepwalker: хотя это и лишнее, по-моему
[20:41:27] Ляпатяпа: функции нужные, из шаблонов удобно вызывать
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[20:41:35] Ляпатяпа: без тегов
[20:42:04] deepwalker: : )) это потому что вот в джанге тоже подумали - а нафиг вам всякое там в шаблоны тянуть, это же представление!
[20:42:20] deepwalker: давайте-ка пишите полсотни тегов
[20:42:53] deepwalker: Joes вобщем против meta
[20:43:22] Ляпатяпа: может быть, но я люблю группировать код не по типу, а по объектам
[20:43:27] deepwalker: а мне она нужна, но пока не придумывается, как совместить оба пожелания - убрать представление из модели, но оставить удобство
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[20:44:17] deepwalker: ну да, я тоже обычно философией не морочусь
[20:44:35] deepwalker: с другой стороны много кода в моделях не тру
[20:45:11] Ляпатяпа: если бы не MVT, вообще боюсь бы такой спагетти-код писал
[20:45:12] deepwalker: а наш ПМ считает, что и код работающий во вьюхах с моделями тоже не тру - работа с БД должна в отдельном апи сидеть
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[20:45:24] deepwalker: собственно никто не спорит
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[20:45:45] deepwalker: просто у нас БД конечно сложная
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[21:15:16] cyberpooh: Привет. Почему при установке приложения, написанного на питон и запакованного в сис вылетает: установка *** не поддерживается.

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[21:15:39] cyberpooh: На С60.

[21:16:07] slav0nic: по s60 наверно лучше на форуме спросить
[21:16:45] cyberpooh: Тут быстрее.
[21:16:54] slav0nic: ну жди :P
[21:17:03] cyberpooh: :-)
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[22:25:09] Mazay: Добрый вечер уважаемые участники данной конференции)) У меня есть несколько вопросов, но они не совсем связаны именно с программированием. Можно задать?)
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[22:25:55] Darth Лис: задавай, чо уж там
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[22:28:57] tilarids: Mazay, если ты не из свидетелей Иеговы, то задавай
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[22:34:41] deepwalker: tilarids, похоже ты его раскрыл
[22:35:00] Mazay: нене, ща будет, просто я хочу открыть вам душу)
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[22:36:55] tilarids: s/открыть/вскрыть перочинным ножом/g
[22:37:05] Mazay: Отлично! Ситуация такая: этим летом я решил взяться за изучение Python, ну и что уж тут скрывать - начал недавно. И уже столкнулся с проблемой: так как самообучение проходит в гордом одиночестве, то на многие вопросы приходится искать ответы самому(это конечно хорошо, но иногда на поиск какой-нибудь мелочи уходит много времени). Вот, а хотелось бы потиху вливаться в некое сообщество, которое могло бы время от времени помогать напутсвием, советом или критикой. В частности это применимо к коду: я уже начал писать небольшие программки (в целях закрепления пройденного материала), но меня постоянно мучает ощущение, что они(программки) довольно не оптимизированы, и что можно сделать тоже самое в несколько раз быстрее, лучше и т.д.. Но спросить-то не у кого. Я сделал небольшой блог, чисто в рамках самообучения, куда кидаю отчеты о изученном и собираюсь постить коды программ этих. Но так как блог нераскручен (и такой цели нет) - то мои ожидания множества комментов, критики, подсказок как лучше учить, или что я делаю неправильно, а так же каких-то замачений по коду - нет) По итогу я вроде и учу, но не знаю насколько эффективно и правильно.. такая беда.
[22:37:22] Mazay: собственно вопросы:
1. что можете посоветывать в моей ситуации?
2. я подумал может создать тему на форуме python.su и просто постить туда свои мини задачки - глядишь и кто-нибудь от нечего делать глянет, и скажет как можно было бы сделать лучше.
[22:37:44] Mazay: много букв, я знаю, зато подробно)
[22:37:48] deepwalker: Mazay, а ты пости здесь ссылки
[22:37:59] tilarids: Mazay, во-первых, постить ссылки прямо здесь
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[22:38:07] tilarids: будут ругать, но зато полезно
[22:38:07] deepwalker: ну и да, тему можешь завести
[22:38:21] tilarids: deepwalker меня опережает на 15 секунд
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[22:38:51] deepwalker: да я просто люблю разбирать миром оптимальность какого либо решения :)
[22:39:01] deepwalker: а тут генератор на халяву пришел
[22:39:11] deepwalker: прям мечта
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[22:40:27] Mazay: ну спасибо! на самом деле думал, что отнесутся все более холодно, типо : нечего делать, ещё за кем-то следить)
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[22:42:39] Mazay: тогда каков план:
а) завожу тему на форуме и буду постить туда свои решенные задачи.
б) ссылки с кратким пояснением буду кидать сюда всем желающим
в) а блог буду использовать чисто для архива всего пройденного\решенного
[22:42:54] deepwalker: это как угодно : )
[22:42:55] tilarids: Mazay, плохо здесь относятся к людям, которые просят написать вместо них или совсем не учатся на своих ошибках
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[22:43:39] Darth Лис: Mazay: http://projecteuler.net/
реши оттуда хотя бы 20 задач
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[22:45:31] Mazay: на самом деле лично мне кажется, что коллективная помощь(советами, а не написанием) - большое дело. потому что когда сидишь, что-то пишешь и написав радуешься - это ещё далеко не факт, что написано верно. + ответственность перед коллективом какая-то появляется: не допускать прежних ошибок например, или не задавать кучи вопросов)
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[22:49:48] Darth Лис: серьёзно, хочешь выучить ЯП, реши пару проблем на еулере
[22:49:56] Darth Лис: с помощью этого ЯП
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[22:51:31] Mazay: я уже регистрируюсь там) займусь им, раз советуешь. но пока я поставил себе задачу решить 10ку задач по строкам, чтобы закрепить теорию, перед переходом к "подробному" изучению списков
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[22:52:42] Darth Лис: главное мозг охлаждай, когда еулером будешь заниматься (:
[22:52:45] Darth Лис: а то перегорит
[22:53:33] Mazay: может оно и к лучшему, а то за последний год он слабо нагревался)
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[23:18:22] tilarids: Darth Лис, не вводи Mazay в заблуждение. Выучить ЯП по Эйлеру невозможно. Просто потому, что для Эйлера достаточно самых простейших фич языка, а некоторые фичи просто не нужны.
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[23:20:43] SV0L0CH: о! тут хажись мой клиент!
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[23:21:07] SV0L0CH: Mazay: редактором gobby пользовался?
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[23:22:49] Mazay: SV0L0CH: нет, пользуюсь IDLE для проверок, Geany для написания и Gedit для заметок и тд
[23:23:30] SV0L0CH: а для экстрамального программирования?
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[23:24:20] Mazay: а я не знаю, что значит экстремальное программировние)
[23:24:28] deepwalker: vim!
[23:24:39] deepwalker: его можно изучать вечно : )
[23:25:08] tilarids is now online
[23:25:40] SV0L0CH: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%AD%D0%BA%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B5_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5
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[23:27:01] SV0L0CH: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B5_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5 как одна из фич
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[23:29:11] deepwalker: от жеж a, *b = range(5)
[23:29:38] deepwalker: работает в тройке, но в ней уже не работают тюплы в параметрах функции : )
[23:30:02] deepwalker: а я уж думал поизвращаться
[23:30:26] deepwalker: типа набросать как в примерах по фп, только if конечно пришлось узать
[23:30:28] deepwalker: юзать
[23:30:48] erraen is now online
[23:31:28] deepwalker: ну все равно, удобно
[23:31:52] cutwater is now away
[23:32:11] Mazay: прочитал твои ссылки SV0L0CH - я таким не занимался, а парным программированием заниматься не с кем.
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[23:34:55] SV0L0CH: Mazay: хочешь попрактиковаться, заходи в leechcraft@
[23:34:58] deepwalker: Mazay, ты не отвлекайся, я уже настроен на какой нибудь квест : )
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[23:36:09] Mazay: deepwalker: )) я решил первую задачу с projecteuler.net - могу скинуть тебе, т.к. тему на форуме ещё не создал)
[23:36:09] SV0L0CH: у нас есть квест - плагины для личкрафта на питоне ;-)
[23:36:48] Mazay: SV0L0CH: спасибо за предложение, я думаю попробуем, но не сегодня уже)
[23:37:26] deepwalker: SV0L0CH, если объяснишь кому оно надо, то завсегда : )
[23:37:50] deepwalker: блин, хочу плагины к браузеру на питоне
[23:38:03] deepwalker: только к обычному браузеру
[23:38:19] Ляпатяпа is now xa
[23:38:28] SV0L0CH: зачем обычный браузер, когда есть комбайн?
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[23:39:07] deepwalker: у меня есть комбайн - KDE : )
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[23:43:08] SV0L0CH: KDE... http://www.linux.org.ru/news/opensource/4969952
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[23:49:25] Mazay: вторая задача с projecteuler.net решилась, спасибо Darth Лис - там действительно интересно)
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[23:50:32] Mazay: вторая задача с projecteuler.net решилась, спасибо Darth Лис - там действительно интересно)
[23:50:49] Darth Лис: да понял я, понял
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[23:50:59] Mazay: у меня джаббер повис. извините
[23:51:22] Mazay: я постараюсь не привлекать к себе столько внимания. просто настроение хорошее)
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