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[10:35:02] bizon73: привет всем :-)
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[10:36:13] bizon73: а тут эсть те кто программируют на смартовском питоне? :-)
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[10:45:44] slav0nic: bizon73, думаю они тока на форуме сидят
[10:46:02] bizon73: :-( жаль
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[12:51:12] bilkis: Добрый день
[12:51:22] bilkis: Есть на свяжи гуру питона?
[12:51:26] bilkis: *связи
[12:51:33] slav0nic: *рнр
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[12:52:32] nmk: php 6 то будет?
[12:53:08] Typhon: bilkis: просто задавай вопрос %)
[12:53:16] deepwalker: ага, когда будет jinja4?
[12:53:39] nmk: думаешь прыгнет через версию?
[12:53:40] bilkis: Есть директория users в ней лежит файл index.py и поддиректория libs. Как мне импортировать *.py файлы из этой поддиректории с помощью import?
[12:53:41] deepwalker: в нее добавят функции для работы с mysql и хомячки обретут новый пых
[12:53:56] bilkis: в файл index.py
[12:54:21] deepwalker: я прсото намекаю, что пых это просто шаблонятор для перла
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[12:54:41] slav0nic: touch libs/__init__.py
[12:54:42] Typhon: bilkis: touch ./libs/__init__.py
[12:54:55] Typhon: slav0nic: подлюка, обогнал!
[12:54:55] slav0nic: )
[12:55:03] Typhon: я ник ишо писал
[12:55:06] Typhon: :)
[12:55:07] bilkis: __init__.py — любой файл?
[12:55:16] slav0nic: f z [fdf. ktdjq herjq)
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[12:55:25] slav0nic: а я хаваю левой рукой)
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[12:55:48] slav0nic: bilkis, доку читни а
[12:56:05] nmk: доку читни почти как хуйца сосни :)
[12:56:21] Typhon: "читни манца" же :)
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[12:57:32] slav0nic: http://docs.python.org/tutorial/modules.html#packages
[12:58:15] bilkis: спасибо
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[13:16:51] rst: день добрый. а чем можно сделать как в php - html_entities_decodede в python3 стандартными средствами?
[13:17:52] Typhon: питон не настолько продвинутый, к сожалению :(
[13:17:56] Typhon: rst, а так вообще, объясни, что это
[13:18:04] Typhon: ты ж не думаешь, что тут все пхп знают, а?
[13:18:14] bobry: не-не, в питоне есть словарь entities
[13:18:16] bobry: правда они там не все
[13:18:45] Typhon: !g html_entities_decodede
[13:18:48] bobry: import htmlentitydefs
[13:19:03] rst: ну например schließlich расшифровует ß
[13:19:20] rst: * html_entities_decode
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[13:20:04] bobry: rst: см. выше
[13:20:05] Typhon: html_entity_decode
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[13:20:32] Typhon: !g html_entity_decode python
[13:20:33] rst: html.entities.entitydefs в python 3. сейчас покручу
[13:20:41] Typhon: rst: ^^
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[13:20:59] bobry: и зачем вообще py3 то
[13:20:59] rst: смотрел там под второй.
[13:21:03] bobry: но это уже другойвопрос
[13:21:22] rst: htmlentitydefs уехал в html.entities.entitydefs
[13:21:29] bobry: я понял
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[14:45:05] bilkis: Кстати, нужно ли сейчас обучаться третьему питону? Или стоит подождать официального релиза и доков?
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[14:45:37] wiz: здрасте приехали. официальный релиз уже 3.1
[14:45:39] Typhon: bilkis: третий питон оффициально вышел. доки оффициально есть на сайте.
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[14:46:01] Typhon: *официально -- я быдло T_T :(
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[14:46:24] bilkis: но стоит его сейчас использовать? Под него все-все библиотеки есть?
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[14:46:33] bilkis: например, sqlite
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[14:46:48] Typhon: так "все" или "sqlite" ? ;-)
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[14:46:54] bilkis: все
[14:46:59] bilkis: sqlite для примера
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[14:47:17] tilarids: Typhon, это все дурное влияние английского языка
[14:47:22] Typhon: я думаю, что ты не знаешь _всех_ библиотек для питона
[14:47:26] tilarids: официальный, апартаменты
[14:47:28] Typhon: tilarids: в точку :)
[14:47:44] Typhon: bilkis: http://docs.python.org/py3k/library/sqlite3.html
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[14:48:14] bilkis: но все же, вы как профи, можете посоветовать его уже сейчас начать изпользовать?
[14:48:42] bilkis: *использовать — я быдло Т__Т
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[14:50:42] Typhon: если ты завязан на много сишных либ для питона, то пользуй 2.7, если нет -- то можно и 3.2 подождать и его использовать
[14:51:28] bilkis: jr
[14:51:30] bilkis: ок
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[14:51:37] bilkis: всем спасибо за консультацию
[14:51:40] Typhon: (сишные либы дольше будут переводиться на 3.2, потому что 2to3 для них не сработает, и всю работу придется делать руками )
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[14:52:39] Typhon: иногда очень бесит, что строки -- итерабельные >_<
[14:53:51] wiz: +1
[14:54:18] wiz: а что там в 3.2 с сишными либами? можно будет старьё изпользовать?
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[14:57:42] Typhon: не, нельзя (во всяком случае я такого не слышал). просто, если pure python либы с помощью 2to3 быстро переедут на 3 (или даже самому можно попробовать перевести на), то сишные либы придется мейнтейнерам переписывать руками.
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[15:22:39] mishok13: unless сишная библиотека со строками работала активно
[15:22:48] mishok13: тогда пипец
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[16:02:14] alexrussia: всем привет такой вопрос про django-registration: почему когда я создаю неактивированного пользователя и задаю в first_name=self.cleaned_data['name'] то дебаггер пишет что нету такого first_name ?
[16:03:39] alexrussia: хотя в документации написано что есть и first_name и last_name
[16:04:40] alexrussia: http://paste.in.ua/953/ - forms.py
[16:05:05] deepwalker: alexrussia, кусочек кода на пастебин
[16:05:07] deepwalker: а
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[16:08:59] alexrussia: deepwalker есть мысль почему first_name не работает ?
[16:09:58] deepwalker: Посмотри в код этой функции RegistrationProfile.objects.create_inactive_user(
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[16:12:45] alexrussia: посмотрел там нету first_name
[16:13:29] alexrussia: но в админке first_name у пользователя присутствует
[16:13:40] deepwalker: это же функция
[16:13:43] deepwalker: а не моель
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[16:16:10] alexrussia: deepwalker ясно то как сделать чтобы в first_name записалось self.cleaned_data['name'] ?
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[16:16:32] bobry: alexrussia: переопредели clean()
[16:17:06] bobry: вообще, рекоммендую ознакомиться с http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/ref/forms/validation/
[16:19:03] alexrussia: bobry причем тут валидация мне нужно для пользователя добавить first_name из поля формы
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[16:19:58] bobry: потому что в clean() ты можешь сделать что угодно со входными данными
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[16:20:41] bobry: это же django-registration?
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[16:20:50] alexrussia: bobry да
[16:21:08] bobry: там по дефолту вроде username, не?
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[16:21:33] bobry: а, да — вижу, есть оно
[16:21:35] alexrussia: bobry username это username , я про first_name
[16:21:47] bobry: ez, парень
[16:21:55] bobry: я не понимаю твоей проблемы
[16:22:42] bobry: надо смотреть что там в create_inactive_user происходит
[16:23:05] alexrussia: bobry есть username - это логин first_name - это имя, в django-registration нет имени
[16:23:30] bobry: это я понимаю, спасибо
[16:23:39] bobry: в общем
[16:23:51] bobry: create_inactive_user возвращает тебе объект User
[16:23:59] bobry: ты можешь ему прикрутить все что тебе надо
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[16:24:14] bobry: user.first_name = self.cleaned_data["name"]; user.save()
[16:24:33] bobry: это не то что нужно?
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[16:25:11] alexrussia: bobry сейчас протестирую
[16:25:32] bobry: sure
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[16:30:23] alexrussia: bobry все верно , огромное спасибо
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[16:34:07] alexrussia: bobry такой вопрос, например нужно сделать закладки пользователя на сайте, я знаю один способ это создание базы данных с именем пользователя и соотвественно при выборка всех закладок для каждого пользователя собственных закладок, есть ли альтернатива ?
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[16:34:56] bobry: эм, ну ты делаешь модель Bookmark с ForeignKey на User
[16:34:57] bobry: как еще то
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[16:36:04] alexrussia: bobry сравниваем foreignKey request.user ?
[16:36:27] alexrussia: *c
[16:36:44] bobry: мне кажется тебе надо почитать документацию
[16:36:46] bobry: основательно
[16:37:00] bobry: ты делаешь ForeignKey с related_name="bookmarks"
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[16:37:12] bobry: а потом просто смотришь на request.user.bookmarks
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[16:44:31] alexrussia: тоесть {{request.user.bookmarks}} это кварисет всех закладок пользователя ?
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[16:45:09] alexrussia: bobry я читал документацию но в некоторых разделах сложно разобраться с первого раза
[16:45:22] Typhon: прочти второй!
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[18:08:19] alexrussia: здрасти опять я, такой вопрос, добавил в папку шаблонов registration (использую django-registration) что находится в templates - шаблон password_reset_form, установлено 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', но почему то пишет о ошибке CSRF verification failed. Request aborted. (c {% csrf_token %} работает отлично )
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[18:09:08] alexrussia: пишет об ошибке когда отправляю форму почему 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware' не работает в данном случае ?
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[18:09:57] novus42: а если я правильно ошибаюсь, то тебе csrf_token в любом случае нужен.
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[18:11:16] alexrussia: novus42 а почему не знаешь надо обязательно даже при django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware ставить ?
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[18:11:59] novus42: не, я сейчас на уровне "знаю как сделать, но не знаю как объяснить"
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[18:13:17] alexrussia: novus42 ясно , я так понял что в моем случае django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware не активируется ?
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[18:14:41] novus42: csrf_token берёт свои значения из миддлвари
[18:14:43] Sevenov: alexrussia, читни про csrf и для чего оно нужно.
[18:14:46] novus42: нужны оба
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[18:15:27] portnov: вопрос: как из двухмерного Numeric.array получить просто список элементов?
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[18:16:02] alexrussia: Sevenov я прочитал уже давно, ну хватит писать про документацию, вопрос задан совсем по другому и не про для чего csrf
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[18:17:58] alexrussia: portnov а с помощью генератора списков не пробовал ?
[18:18:15] portnov: [item for row in my2Darray for item in row] - вот эдак?
[18:18:27] portnov: или можно проще?
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[18:23:36] alexrussia: по другому не знаю
[18:24:22] portnov: ну ладно тогда
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[18:27:47] tilarids: можно чуть приятней через map и itertools.chain
[18:28:14] tilarids: хотя это спорно, что приятней
[18:28:28] portnov: эффективней?
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[18:33:16] tilarids: portnov, не более, чем использовать () вместо [] в предложенном выше варианте
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[18:33:48] portnov: тогда и так сойдёт )
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[19:03:04] alexrussia: забыл спросить насчет кеша, использую 'django.middleware.cache.UpdateCacheMiddleware' и 'django.middleware.cache.FetchFromCacheMiddleware' установил CACHE_MIDDLEWARE_SECONDS =180. Есть одна проблема при изменении записи изменения почему то только через 3 минуты происходят, может ли кеш при каждом изменении записи обновляться ?
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[19:14:02] xa4a: alexrussia: очевидно, да
[19:14:26] alexrussia: xa4a f rf
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[19:14:43] alexrussia: xa4a а как сделать чтобы при каждом изменении записи кеш обновлялся ?
[19:15:14] xa4a: читануть мануал джанги по кешу, думаю ^_^
[19:15:20] xa4a: там же написано?.

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[19:15:57] alexrussia: xa4a я настроил как написано. обновляется кеш автоматически только при добавлении новой записи или в течении 3 минут
[19:16:24] alexrussia: xa4a вот только при изменении записи не обновляется сразу кеш
[19:16:36] xa4a: посмотри как при добавлении записи оьновляется
[19:16:40] xa4a: и сделй по аналогии
[19:16:51] xa4a: с 99% вероятностью там сигнал посылается
[19:16:57] alexrussia: xa4a где посмотреть ?
[19:17:03] xa4a: в коде
[19:17:14] alexrussia: xa4a в коде чего ?
[19:17:45] xa4a: в коде, который вызвает обновление кеша при добавлении записи
[19:18:27] alexrussia: xa4a где этот код находится ?
[19:18:37] xa4a: ты у меня спрашиваешь? Оо
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[19:18:45] xa4a: у меня тут кеша вообще нет
[19:18:49] xa4a: твой кеш - тебе виднее
[19:19:02] xa4a: а если не знаешь - втыкай дебагер перед .save() и вперёд
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[19:20:53] alexrussia: xa4a я так понял тебя что надо написать код который при каждом изменении таблицы будет запускать обновление кода , так как стандартно в django этого нету ?
[19:21:04] alexrussia: *обновление кеша
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[19:22:32] xa4a: только не таблицы, а модели
[19:22:43] xa4a: и в стандартном джанго есть сигналы
[19:23:05] xa4a: и вообще, если при добавлении обновляется кеш, то не больше одной строки должно занять обновление при редактировании
[19:24:05] alexrussia: xa4a то не больше одной строки должно занять обновление при редактировании, а что если больше ?
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[19:27:52] xa4a: alexrussia: меньше говори, больше делай
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[19:29:56] alexrussia: xa4a мне нужно понять в каком направлении двигаться использую например сигнал django.db.models.signals.post_save то как правльно записать что нужно обновить кеш ?
[19:30:29] xa4a: посмотри как при добавлении записи оьновляется
[19:30:33] xa4a: и сделй по аналогии
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[19:31:26] alexrussia: xa4a а где эти посмотреть ? в моем коде этого нету django автоматически это делает
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[19:34:14] xa4a: перечитывай своё последнее сообщение, пока не найдёшь ответа на свой вопрос
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[19:35:23] bobry: alexrussia: ты все еще тут ...
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[19:36:06] alexrussia: bobry ага
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[19:37:12] bobry: документацию игнорируешь?
[19:38:52] alexrussia: xa4a извини что я тупой такой но я не знаю как внутри функции прописать обновление кеша для каждой модели
[19:39:18] alexrussia: bobryв документации не нашел как сделать чтобы при изменении записи кеш обновлялся сразу
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[19:39:37] bobry: alexrussia: никак это не сделать — посмотри в сторону johny cache
[19:39:46] bobry: в смысле автоматически никак
[19:39:55] bobry: можно наверное сигналами
[19:40:03] alexrussia: bobry хача говорит что можно
[19:40:14] bobry: ну xa4a про сигналы тебе и писал
[19:40:17] bobry: в чем проблема то?
[19:40:50] alexrussia: bobry я не знаю как внутри функции написать обновить кеш для любой модели
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[19:41:14] bobry: а ты посмотри что сигнал post_save() передает в функцию
[19:41:16] bobry: и узнаешь
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[19:42:47] alexrussia: bobry для каждой модели надо прописывать такие строчки - post_save.connect(post_saved, sender = <класс модели >) ?
[19:43:07] bobry: мне кажется проще заюзать johnny cache
[19:43:11] bobry: но вообще, думаю да
[19:43:59] alexrussia: bobry на виртуальном хостинге johny cache возможен ?
[19:44:16] alexrussia: bobry в смысле shared
[19:44:26] bobry: вру
[19:44:33] bobry: по моему там можно и без sender
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[19:44:43] bobry: post_save.connect(handler)
[19:44:54] bobry: johnny cache это django app
[19:44:58] bobry: !g johnny cache
[19:45:21] bobry: alexrussia: http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/topics/signals/#topics-signals почему я могу это прочитать, а ты нет?
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[19:57:35] alexrussia: bobry вот так правильно ? http://paste.in.ua/955/
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[20:00:27] bobry: окей. какой кеш тебе надо обновлять?
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[20:01:48] alexrussia: bobry все модели
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[20:02:38] alexrussia: bobry кеш файловый
[20:03:08] Lispython: <a href="/API/">{{ _('API') }}</a>
UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xd0 in position 0: ordinal not in range(128)
вот такая хрень возникает в шаблоне, кодировка у файла utf
[20:03:23] Lispython: что может быть?
[20:04:31] bobry: alexrussia: т.е. речь идет не о кеше внутри QuerySet?
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[20:05:07] bobry: потому что иначе я не понимаю что ты обновляешь
[20:05:14] bobry: как ты кешируешь эти запросы?
[20:05:20] bobry: Lispython: это жинжа?
[20:05:31] Lispython: ага
[20:05:43] bobry: там может какую магию надо делать как в мако не?
[20:05:48] bobry: с ## -*- coding: ...?
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[20:05:55] alexrussia: bobry установил 'django.middleware.cache.UpdateCacheMiddleware' и 'django.middleware.cache.FetchFromCacheMiddleware' установил CACHE_MIDDLEWARE_SECONDS =180
[20:06:09] alexrussia: то есть кешируется весь сайт
[20:06:33] bobry: ну дык модели не кешируются же
[20:06:38] Lispython: bobry, сейчас попробую
[20:06:41] bobry: если ты их сам туда не кладешь
[20:06:50] bobry: middleware запросы кеширует
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[20:07:22] bobry: afaik по крайней мере
[20:07:46] alexrussia: bobry ясно. как сделать чтобы при изменении записи кеш сразу обновился ?
[20:08:03] bobry: no idea
[20:08:14] bobry: читать документацию cache
[20:08:52] Lispython: не, нифига не помогает
[20:09:02] bobry: ну я с жинжей не работал
[20:09:18] alexrussia: bobry там вообще ничего не сказано про изменении записи в моделе, хача говорит что надо сигналы поставить тогда все будет путем
[20:09:31] bobry: alexrussia: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1995126/invalidating-a-path-from-the-django-cache-recursively
[20:09:36] bobry: может быть, я просто так не делал
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[20:09:54] Lispython: да вообще странно, у меня есть модель. Во вьюшке я создаю экземпляр заполняя поля и сохраняю
[20:10:47] Lispython: есть поле title и url и которых тип String, вот если эти поля не передавать при сохранении модели то всё нормально потом рендерится
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[20:12:10] alexrussia: bobry johnny cache с файловым кешом работает. че то смотрел не нашел
[20:12:27] alexrussia: *johnny cache работает с файловым кешом ?
[20:12:58] bobry: !g johnny cache
[20:13:04] bobry: Lispython: это sqlalchemy чтоли?
[20:13:15] Lispython: нет, редиска
[20:13:19] bobry: а
[20:13:26] bobry: дык оно там в юникоде хранится?
[20:14:02] Lispython: хрен его знает в чём хранится, другие поля с таким типом сохраняются и нормально рендерятся
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[20:15:03] bobry: хмхм, даже когда передаешь в них не ascii строки?
[20:15:33] Lispython: угу
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[20:16:26] Lispython: дело как было, я взял свою работающую апликуху, скопировал и обозвал подругому
добавил к модели эти поля, везде поменял имена апликухи и такая вот бадяга
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[20:19:12] Sevenov: pythonua@cjr скатился в python@ ?
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[20:22:30] SV0L0CH: Sevenov: ?
[20:22:51] Sevenov: SV0L0CH, в говно и джангу.
[20:23:10] SV0L0CH: хм
[20:23:24] Typhon: Sevenov, еще боты должны быть ^_^
[20:23:34] SV0L0CH: на сколько я помню джангу чаще обсуждали именно здесь
[20:23:36] Sevenov: Typhon, а, да.
[20:24:00] Sevenov: SV0L0CH, потому что там всё еще плачевнее.
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[20:36:36] SV0L0CH: Sevenov: лучще раскажи как видишь реализацию генераторов/продолжений на жабоскрипте
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[20:37:17] Typhon: generatorы же там обещали в каком-то новом стандарте, не?
[20:37:23] bobry: yieldы будут!
[20:37:53] SV0L0CH: 262 под пятой редакцией, остальные не рассматриваю
[20:38:33] Typhon: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1821070/javascript-cps-continuation-passing-style-implementation
[20:39:08] Sevenov: Typhon, в 1.8, которому уже хуй знает сколько лет.
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