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[08:01:40] Ганж: доброе утро!
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[08:05:15] bobry: доброе
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[08:10:32] bobry: камрады, никто магии не замечал када в Meta указаны order_with_respect_to и ordering?
[08:10:47] bobry: если верить документации то оно должно сортировать по обоим
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[08:12:41] bobry: кто нить может мне прояснить смысл «Marks this object as "orderable" with respect to the given field. »
[08:12:49] bobry: шо есть «marks» в частности
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[08:17:39] bobry: так, понял — нафик мне не надо order_with_respect_to
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[09:06:47] maxp: как узнать имя выполняемой функции?
[09:08:18] bobry: func.__name__?
[09:08:24] bobry: смотря откуда, можно еще через inspect
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[09:10:20] maxp: bobry: да, именно __name__ нужно, но где взять func ?
[09:10:25] maxp: def a():
[09:10:32] maxp: print ?func?.__name__
[09:10:49] maxp: надо чтобы здесь напечаталось a
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[09:11:30] maxp: как-то же можно это сделать просто и эффективно? или я с джаваскриптом путаю?
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[09:13:08] bobry: мм, т.е. тебе нужно изнутри функции сослаться на ее имя?
[09:13:09] bobry: так чтоли?
[09:13:14] maxp: ага
[09:13:20] maxp: на самом деле просто в логе вывести
[09:13:30] bobry: а для лога там была какая то плюшка
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[09:13:57] bobry: %(funcName)s по моему не?
[09:14:03] maxp: ну я там помню, что-то типа стектрейса надо вытаскивать и т.п.
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[09:14:16] maxp: вариант...
[09:14:19] maxp: надо поглядеть
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[09:14:36] bobry: точно так можно — пробуй
[09:14:51] maxp: это как бы на logging тогда завязано, еще погляжу может как-то прямо можно
[09:15:00] bobry: мм, а как ты в лог писать будешь?
[09:15:04] bobry: не через logging?
[09:15:29] maxp: ну сейчас так, но вдруг потом что-то надо будет переделывать
[09:15:44] maxp: или не писать здесь, а пробросить наверх
[09:16:04] maxp: типа raise ValueError( 'exception in method .... ')
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[09:16:28] bobry: дык и ладно — какая связь с логированием то?
[09:16:55] maxp: это типа валидатора
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[09:17:15] maxp: вызывается их пачка
[09:17:24] maxp: кто-то по дороге пишет в лог
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[09:18:00] maxp: "я валидатор №4, у вас были немного хреновые данные, пришлось поставить дефолт"
[09:18:01] bobry: хмхм, ну мне кажется можно посмотреть может внутри logging есть какая функция шобы вытаскивать funcName из стека
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[09:21:58] maxp: нда... видимо я странного хочу
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[09:22:40] mishok13: для логов есть декораторы
[09:23:08] maxp: хе-хе...
[09:23:12] mishok13: если хочется выебать самого себя -- import inspect
[09:23:14] maxp: sys._getframe().f_code.co_name
[09:23:22] maxp: sys._getframe().f_code.co_name
[09:23:32] maxp: страшненько, конечно
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[09:24:47] bobry: «если хочется выебать самого себя» :D
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[09:28:07] wiz: "Greenspun's Tenth Rule of Programming: any sufficiently complicated C or Fortran program contains an ad hoc informally-specified bug-ridden slow implementation of half of Common Lisp." -- интересно, Python достаточно сложная с-программа? (=
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[09:36:45] maxp: более "легальное" решение
[09:36:57] maxp: inspect.currentframe()
[09:37:09] maxp: но все-равно задница.
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[09:37:28] bobry: maxp: а в logging то ничего не нашел?
[09:37:29] maxp: хоть бы докстринг взять где-нибудь
[09:37:51] maxp: bobry: там не искал, но помнится там как раз через инспект
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[09:39:32] bobry: Logger.findCaller()
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[09:41:41] maxp: можно, конечно, декоратор привесить и через него
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[09:42:07] maxp: а то мне тут на соседнем канале один товарищ популярно объяснил, что sys._ метды
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[09:42:24] maxp: в программах используют только полные идиоты
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[09:43:00] bobry: мм, ну если очень надо — то почему нет
[09:43:40] maxp: кстати, помнится мне, что в джаваскрипте arguments.callee тоже депрекейтнули
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[09:43:59] bobry: в какой версии?
[09:44:02] maxp: видимо в разных оптимизаторах это не удобно
[09:44:27] maxp: не помню насчет версии, но помню, что читал что-то такое
[09:44:49] maxp: в питонской доке есть примечание, что
[09:45:04] maxp: sys._getframe очень имплементейшен специфик
[09:45:36] Typhon: maxp: собираешься портировать на jython / ironpython ?
[09:45:37] maxp: и что inspect.currentframe() тоже может послать вас нафиг
[09:45:53] bobry: вот вот
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[09:45:57] bobry: далеко не всегда это актуально
[09:46:04] bobry: кстати что за соседняя конфа?
[09:46:10] bobry: python@c.j.r?
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[09:46:13] maxp: на jython вполне может понадобиться
[09:46:16] maxp: #python
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[09:46:34] Typhon: а шо тебе вообще надо, я пропустил начало %)
[09:47:04] maxp: Typhon: узнать имя функции внутри нее, желательно в одну строчку и без наворотов
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[09:47:37] maxp: если получается сложнее, то тогда мне проще как-нибудь иначе сделать
[09:47:42] Typhon: декоратор
[09:47:54] maxp: Typhon: ага, есть такая мысль
[09:48:18] maxp: но я почему-то думал, что в Питоне func обджект внутри очень легко получить
[09:48:27] maxp: а оказывается не очень
[09:48:52] bobry: как меня бесит что unicode строки не принимаются в качестве kwargs
[09:48:53] bobry: рр
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[09:49:13] maxp: bobry: а тебе зачем такое?
[09:49:56] maxp: написать f( **{ u'абв': u'це де е' } )
[09:50:30] bobry: maxp: ну ты имеешь словарь чего нить типа {u"attr": "val"} и передать его через ** низя
[09:50:58] maxp: у меня есть некоторое предубеждение против таких приемов
[09:51:07] bobry: unpack?
[09:51:19] Typhon: maxp вот в одну строчку: inspect.getframeinfo(inspect.currentframe()).function -- без наворотов ли, хз. (и не проверял в сложных случаях ^_^ )
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[09:51:41] maxp: Typhon: да, это я уже поглядел
[09:51:55] maxp: оно все базируется на
[09:51:56] maxp: sys._getframe().f_code.co_name
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[09:52:33] maxp: и что можно там схватить None очень запросто
[09:53:00] maxp: как бы если нет штатного метода, то и фиг бы с ним...
[09:53:30] Typhon: ну поэтому не трахай мозги, пиши декоратор %) и функции заодно не будут засираться левыми действиями
[09:53:45] maxp: Typhon: так, кстати, видал еще примечание, что надо делать обязательно
[09:53:53] maxp: del frame
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[09:53:58] maxp: а то память потечет
[09:54:31] maxp: декоратор не буду, просто заведу отдельную константу
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[09:55:09] maxp: а мозги размять бывает очень полезно
[09:55:30] Typhon: никто не спорит. поразмял -- пиши декоратор %)
[09:55:33] bobry: ))
[09:56:12] Typhon: а организуйте, кто-нибудь, спринты на ua pycon :)
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[09:56:48] bobry: шо за спринты?
[09:57:00] maxp: bobry: а что ты про kwargs говорил?
[09:57:11] maxp: >>> def f(**kwargs):
... print kwargs

[09:57:19] maxp: >>> f(**{u'абв':u'b'})
{u'\u0430\u0431\u0432': u'b'}
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[09:57:28] bobry: maxp: говорил шо не передать туда словарь где ключи уникодные. это version dependant
[09:57:35] bobry: на 2.6 все ворк, на 2.4 нет
[09:57:47] bobry: хочу ru pycon, до ua дороговато буит :)
[09:57:59] maxp: а в 2.5 не знаешь?
[09:58:12] bobry: не, 2.5 у меня нет
[09:58:19] maxp: зато в Гугле есть :)
[09:58:28] bobry: меня вообще убивает инертность хостеров
[09:58:29] maxp: а 2.4 где нужен?
[09:58:32] bobry: уже 2.7 вышел ...
[09:58:34] bobry: а у них 2.4
[09:58:44] bobry: а у некоторых особо выдающихся и то 2.3
[09:58:45] maxp: он вроде в Шапке Ентерпрайзной
[09:58:56] bobry: иде иде?
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[09:59:04] maxp: RHEL
[09:59:10] bobry: а
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[09:59:26] bobry: ну, я как то с centos ковырялся, который rhel based — там 2.4 — ага
[09:59:36] bobry: и версии библиотек, эпохи моей юности ..
[09:59:58] maxp: я решил просто послать тех, кто хочет работать на 2.4
[10:00:02] bobry: ))
[10:00:03] Typhon: мы только недавно на 2.6 перешли с 2.3 на рхеле :) вендор держал
[10:00:13] bobry: не всегда это мозможно, увы
[10:00:20] maxp: послать?:)
[10:00:20] bobry: Typhon: полет нормальный?)
[10:00:24] bobry: ахах
[10:00:33] bobry: потому что не всегда знаешь что там 2.4
[10:00:34] maxp: послать можно всегда :) но не всегда этого хочется :)
[10:00:42] bobry: мне вот тут говорили шо уних питон 2.6 и джанга 1.2
[10:00:47] bobry: а на деле 1.1 и питон 2.4
[10:00:49] bobry: :/
[10:01:10] maxp: а что, кто-то хочтится не на собственных vds'ах?
[10:01:12] maxp: :)
[10:01:19] bobry: sure
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[10:01:31] bobry: а еще хуже когда памяти 100мб :D
[10:01:36] bobry: в довесок ко всему этому
[10:01:36] maxp: на самом деле я тоже не на vds'е
[10:02:13] maxp: но в другую сторону :)
[10:02:16] bobry: «ваш скрипт работает слишком медленно» — добавляю кеширование всего и вся — «ваш скрипт не убирается в мою память» ...
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[10:02:46] maxp: хостинг со 100 мб памяти сколько сейчас стоит?
[10:02:52] maxp: 7 у.е. ?
[10:03:19] bobry: не, это про webfaction, там шота серьезнее
[10:03:25] bobry: от траффика еще зависит
[10:03:33] bobry: точных цифр так не помню
[10:03:40] maxp: я просто так прикидываю
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[10:04:01] maxp: если в примеру программер получает 500 eur/month
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[10:04:24] maxp: то за 2 недели его работы можно купить на год dedicated
[10:04:33] maxp: 2 Gb / 750 Gb / unmetered
[10:05:01] bobry: ну, в целом можно :)
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[10:08:01] maxp: т.е. я как бы не понимаю, как так получается когда "а тут всего 100 мб памяти..."
[10:08:43] maxp: ух блин... юбилей проворонил ...
[10:08:50] maxp: uptime
16:08:16 up 368 days,
[10:08:55] bobry: maxp: 100мб памяти у аказчика а не у меня :)
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[10:09:02] maxp: я понимаю
[10:09:20] bobry: тогда я не понимаю что ты не понимаешь :)
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[10:09:48] maxp: я про то, что заказчик платит программисту за доп.работу значительно больше, чем он бы заплатил за отдельный сервер
[10:10:11] bobry: да — но не все могут это понять, увы
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[11:52:08] deepwalker: ты что-то совсем сильно промахнулся конфой. Бери 2851, не промахнешься ;)
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[12:07:53] Ганж: 2851 за сотню стоит, а 881 в пределах 30. 1841 за 1000$, но он модулар. директор столько не выделит денег
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[12:09:18] Ганж: плюс доставка у 881 2 месяца :-(
[12:10:24] novus42 is now ♫ Àìå›èêà
[12:10:25] novus42 is now ♫ Àìå›èêà
[12:11:12] deepwalker: писюк с двумя карточками, и ждать 881
[12:11:29] deepwalker: 881 весьма вряд ли уделает современный писюк
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[12:11:46] Ганж: кого? 8-0
[12:12:19] deepwalker: ну можешь поставить айmac, я не против : )
[12:12:27] deepwalker: суть не меняется
[12:12:31] erraen is now online
[12:13:10] deepwalker: мысль проста - подождать свою железку, а пока поставить классическую заглушку в виде обычного компа, под серверной осью
[12:13:38] novus42 is now ♫ Ñåáàñòèÿ (‡ëüäî›àäî)
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[12:14:14] Ганж: да сеть в порядке)) все работает. просто вот... хочу циску :-D
[12:14:16] novus42 is now ♫ Ñåáàñòèÿ (‡ëüäî›àäî)
[12:14:52] deepwalker: на tcl скритики писать? : )
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[12:15:53] Ганж: в перспективе :-)
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[12:17:27] deepwalker: знаешь, с кошками этими все время жалко, что у тебя не 7200
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[12:17:40] deepwalker: одно расстройство
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[12:18:53] Ганж: ну пока особо дел с ними не имел, поэтому пока просто жалко, что нет циски:)
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[13:47:29] bobry: камрады, кто тут ropemacs пользует?
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[14:22:48] deepwalker: писец, теперь у них nohaskell
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[14:29:06] novus42 is now ♫ Ìîÿ ê›åïîñòü
[14:29:27] Sevenov: deepwalker, фрисвич лучше астериска?
[14:30:08] deepwalker: Sevenov, не однозначно
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[14:30:37] Sevenov: deepwalker, ну как твистед vs erlang :D
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[14:33:47] deepwalker: я не могу просто сейчас критиковать астер, так как давно его не мучал
[14:34:06] novus42 is now ♫ Áàäèõîéëè
[14:34:13] deepwalker: не имею понимаешь морального права
[14:34:22] deepwalker: а в FS меня тоже уже многое бесит
[14:34:23] novus42: это как сендмейл против какого-нибудь qmail или чёт там ещё есть? postfix?
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[14:37:31] wiz: http://englishrussia.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/150.jpg
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[14:47:19] bobry: deepwalker: juick?
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[14:48:11] novus42 is now ♫ Òàíÿ
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[14:48:33] deepwalker: bobry, то есть?
[14:48:39] bobry: я про nohaskell
[14:48:59] deepwalker: ага
[14:49:05] novus42 is now ♫ Òàíÿ
[14:49:08] bobry: тот же чувак..
[14:49:10] bobry: это клиника
[14:49:22] deepwalker: внезапно обнаружилось, что хаскель замечательно умеет течь : )
[14:49:36] deepwalker: а питон он понимаешь трейсбечит
[14:50:31] bobry: тяжело ему — сразу понятно
[14:50:33] bobry: мир несовершенен
[14:50:34] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
[14:51:11] nmk: /me очень ждет грозы и дождика
[14:51:35] bobry: ты не одинок :)
[14:51:49] nmk: а ты где обитаешь?
[14:51:51] PC is now online
[14:51:56] nmk: в спб ооочнь душно.
[14:52:11] nmk: и еще вроде где-то гореть что-то начало. с утра как-то дымно было
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[14:52:28] Typhon: +35 -- у вас прохладно :)
[14:52:40] erraen is now online
[14:52:44] Typhon: в москве 40, вокруг горят торфяники (дня три уже)
[14:52:53] deepwalker: я тут с саратовских степей - там 40
[14:52:55] nmk: из пулково градусник мой 32 показывает. но сука. дууушно
[14:52:57] Typhon: весь город в дыму
[14:53:06] nmk: про торфяники читал, да
[14:53:19] bobry: у нас леса горят :/
[14:53:27] bobry: sillent hill прямо на улицах
[14:53:45] nmk: где у вас то?
[14:53:51] bobry: кострома
[14:53:52] Typhon: от я тоже его вспоминаю, особенно по ночам, в ДС
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[14:54:05] bobry: ДС?
[14:54:08] nmk: кстати горячий час от жажды помогает :)
[14:54:10] Typhon: дефолт сити :)
[14:54:12] nmk: мск :)
[14:54:41] bobry: /me пьет горячий чай right now
[14:55:01] Typhon: nmk: что за горячий час?
[14:55:05] Typhon: чай смысле?
[14:55:14] nmk: ой. да. чай :)
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[14:55:46] bobry: я даже и не заметли очепятки :D
[14:55:51] novus42 is now ♫ Ó›à!
[14:55:52] novus42 is now ♫ Ó›à!
[14:56:14] tilarids: у нас, кстати, с утра очень замечательный дождь был, завидуйте
[14:56:39] bobry: ..........
[14:56:42] tilarids: до сих пор 20 градусов на улице
[14:56:49] bobry: можно было и не говорить об этом :)
[14:56:51] bobry: вот серьезно
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[14:57:15] novus42 is now ♫ Äîá›î ïîæàëîâàòü â ëåòî
[14:57:23] tilarids: bobry, ладно уж, и на вашей улице будет праздник
[14:57:40] erraen is now online
[14:57:41] bobry: ну, судя по прогнозам не раньше середины августа
[14:57:42] Typhon: в январе %)
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[14:57:50] bobry: я вообще поражаюсь как организм быстро адаптируется
[14:58:20] bobry: спустя месяц +36 кажется обычным делом)
[14:58:52] Typhon: кроме дыма всё круто :)
[14:59:04] novus42 is now ♫ Äîá›î ïîæàëîâàòü â ëåòî
[14:59:23] tilarids: bobry, а если бы ты некоторое время пожил в действительно жарких странах, то у тебя мог бы выработаться иммунитет
[14:59:24] wiz: жара ок, но страшно, что моск взорвётся
[14:59:25] bobry: ну если у тебя есть кондиционер то наверное да
[14:59:29] novus42 is now ♫ Òàíöóflò Âîäîëàçû
[14:59:31] novus42 is now ♫ Òàíöóflò Âîäîëàçû
[14:59:39] bobry: tilarids: определенно
[14:59:46] tilarids: езжай в Ашхабад
[15:00:21] tilarids: там вечно вот такое
[15:00:32] bobry: я на север хочу :)
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[16:47:59] Akdmeh: Привет всем.
Есть код: f=urllib2.urlopen('http://test.ru')
как теперь взять всю страницу с f?
[16:48:13] nmk: f.read()
[16:48:18] Akdmeh: f.read(5000) берёт первые 5 кб, но как весь?
[16:48:25] Typhon: а потом docs.python.org ;)
[16:48:30] Akdmeh: оу, вот это торможу)
[16:48:45] bobry: /me думает а не поехать ли ему в Киев осенью..
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[16:49:07] bobry: у вас же еще rubyconf
[16:49:09] nmk: /me прочитал Киев как Крым
[16:49:15] bobry: ))
[16:49:16] Typhon: +1
[16:49:18] Akdmeh: да я учебники почитаю, просто хотел узнать)
[16:49:32] Typhon: ( +1 про крым )
[16:49:37] bobry: на поезд билеты кусаются конечно
[16:49:44] Akdmeh: bobry: приежай в Киев сейчас;) хотя народа мало
[16:49:44] Sevenov: http://spb.rabota.ru/resume9386669.html
[16:49:54] bobry: та не, я на pycon хочу
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[16:50:21] Akdmeh: а когда pyconf будет?
[16:50:24] nmk: Sevenov: а чо. не дорого :)
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[16:50:50] Sevenov: nmk, бери себе, ты какраз в питере :)
[16:50:51] bobry: Akdmeh: конец октября
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[16:51:01] Akdmeh: а сколько стоит?
[16:51:09] bobry: та пока не написано вроде
[16:51:18] bobry: регистрация 1 августа тока открывается
[16:51:28] Akdmeh: я правда хз, есть ли мне толк туда идти, за месяц может подучу хоть немного. или уже в 2011 году)
[16:51:29] bobry: кто нить кстати из местных там выступаит?
[16:51:32] bobry: пиранья?
[16:51:33] nmk: Sevenov: себе то нах. в контору если :) но вообще пиздеж же. :)
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[16:55:28] mishok13: я буду, пиранья может быть
[16:55:35] Typhon: организуйте спринты
[16:55:39] Typhon: mishok13: ты про ГИС?
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[16:55:46] mishok13: а шо ж еще
[16:55:58] bobry: а пиранья про шо?
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[16:56:02] Typhon: или вместо поста давно обещанного расскажешь про фреймворки ;)
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[16:56:06] nmk: приехать к вам что-ли. :)
[16:56:09] nmk: послушать
[16:56:11] nmk: побухать :)
[16:56:15] bobry: ))
[16:56:16] Typhon: там препати будет
[16:56:23] bobry: вот-вот, на нее и надо ехать
[16:56:34] bobry: чего там pycon :D
[16:57:08] mishok13: я как-то очень сильно отстал от событий связаных с PyCon
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[17:00:31] Typhon: mishok13: организуй спринт mapnik2.0 или еще что-нибудь :) ты вроде зотел рендеринг движок пуре-питон делать, либо я гоню %)
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[17:01:23] bobry: шо за спринт та?
[17:01:27] bobry: объясните идиоту
[17:01:28] mishok13: это скорее полигон для идей
[17:01:41] mishok13: а на спринт по мапнику я в конце сентября в Лондон еду
[17:01:56] Typhon: bobry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprint_(software_development)
[17:02:06] bobry: merci
[17:02:28] bobry: кстати, кто нить тут с tg2 ковыряется?
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[17:03:34] bobry: во, тада я тоже хочу sprint :)
[17:03:35] Sevenov: nmk, побухать!
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[17:03:50] nmk: Sevenov: ты поедешь?
[17:03:56] Sevenov: думаю вот
[17:04:08] bobry: питер?
[17:04:10] Sevenov: а то с пираньей тут пили, а там не пили - не порядок.
[17:04:30] Sevenov: bobry, в хохляндию.
[17:04:43] bobry: не, я в смысле откуда
[17:05:16] slav0nic: bobry, по тг2 на форуме только 1 чувака знаю)
[17:05:33] Sevenov: bobry, что откуда?
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[17:05:43] Typhon: а на какой-нибудь праздник выпадает это pycon ? а то эксепшн, на котором я был, выпал, кажется, на день туриста, гуляния были в кiеве -- весело.
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[17:05:47] bobry: откуда поедешь
[17:06:26] Sevenov: А, из Челнов.
[17:06:36] bobry: slav0nic: я вообще поражаюсь как кто то __осознанно__ его выбирает, учитывая практически нулевую активность в ирке и mailing list и неопнятный статус документации
[17:07:05] slav0nic: наверно те кто и пилоны, с учётом что это пилоны + "ещё какая-то херь"
[17:07:17] bobry: эта херь только мешает
[17:07:19] bobry: по моему опыту
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[17:08:24] slav0nic: хз, я всё хочу потыкать не джангу, но как доку открою, то закрываю
[17:08:26] Sevenov: дык что пилоны, что тг - это ж всего лишь клей.
[17:08:28] slav0nic: уже года 2 как)
[17:08:34] slav0nic: ну да
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[17:08:44] Sevenov: см. рассылки и доки по компонентам.
[17:08:47] nmk: а из спб в киев только через москву летают самолеты?
[17:08:49] slav0nic: но в тг там свои прибамбасы таки есть
[17:08:57] Sevenov: nmk, ага.
[17:09:13] Typhon: Sevenov: а ты чо, вернулся до дому?
[17:09:16] Sevenov: slav0nic, да совсем немного. Все равно весь код читается.
[17:09:24] Sevenov: Typhon, пока да, тут дела.
[17:09:37] Typhon: от армии, поди, отмазываешься?
[17:09:58] Sevenov: Ну, какраз вот в военкомат приехал сдаваться, а они такие "ты не нужен, ты хуже всех".
[17:10:04] slav0nic: ))
[17:10:27] slav0nic: у меня билет В)
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[17:10:39] Sevenov: Бля, я глянул в зеркало и охуел от нерасчёсанности, надо бы расчесаться и пойти на ПЛЯЖ
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[17:10:49] Sevenov: ... или поехать.
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[17:11:40] nmk: Sevenov: ха. купе в киев стоит почти также как самолет.
[17:11:59] slav0nic: наверно ща в поездах "хорошо"
[17:12:02] slav0nic: тёпленько
[17:12:06] bobry: ))
[17:12:11] bobry: щас везде тепленько
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[17:12:13] slav0nic: особенно на остановках
[17:12:17] bobry: а кое где еще и с дымком
[17:12:20] slav0nic: не ну в офисе норм)
[17:12:20] bobry: до кучи
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[17:12:39] slav0nic: ну ща +30 тока, норм
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[17:12:52] Typhon: НИХУЯ В ОФИСЕ НЕ НОРМ! кондер panasonic -- отстой :)
[17:12:57] slav0nic: ))
[17:13:02] bobry: вот ты крутой
[17:13:09] bobry: у меня тут рядом вентилятор еле крутится и я рад)
[17:13:14] slav0nic: у нас вчера проводку коротнуло и кондёр не фунциклировал мля)
[17:13:22] slav0nic: у нас 2 фанкоила и кандёр
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[17:13:27] Typhon: в соседнем офисе шикарно, а тут как-то тухло :( ~28 градусов. вентилятор поставил тоже ща
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[17:13:45] slav0nic: )под вентилятором наеврно как под феном
[17:13:54] Typhon: под феном, ы
[17:14:01] Typhon: ^_^
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[17:15:53] bobry: када уже md будет на python.su/forum
[17:15:56] bobry: надоел ббкод
[17:16:04] slav0nic: все женятся
[17:16:06] slav0nic: нчиё не знаю)
[17:16:16] slav0nic: груз опять с базой возиться, переливать и тп
[17:16:31] slav0nic: в октябре мож таки допилим всё скопом
[17:16:45] bobry: это ты про pybb?
[17:16:48] bobry: или как оно там называется
[17:16:54] slav0nic: djangobb
[17:17:06] bobry: а теги у вас там есть?
[17:17:19] slav0nic: нет, но как вариант мож добавим
[17:17:30] bobry: просто мне эти подфорумы никогда не нравились)
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[17:17:39] bobry: сделать базовый набор тегов для них
[17:17:41] slav0nic: пока надо на 1.2 перевести и отрефакторить местами гавнакод, который меня кумарит)
[17:17:42] nmk: Sevenov: россия кстати без пересадок вроде как летит
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[17:17:45] nmk: и дешевле чем аэрофло
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[17:20:37] bobry: чета в /django половина заголовков с php
[17:20:43] bobry: phpшники рванули переучиваться?
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[19:42:49] Sevenov: Хыхы:
Hello, this is Linus Torvalds, and I pronounce svn as git.
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[21:44:11] Sevenov: pip говно и не умеет докачку.
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[21:46:46] Typhon: чо, в набережных челнах интернет рвется? ^_^
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[21:51:33] Sevenov: куда бы смотать в след. году?
[21:51:39] Sevenov: В какую страну?
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[22:00:25] Sevenov: Ы, у меня знакомый там служил, с опсосами и интернетом там всё очень даже ок.
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[22:32:25] Tony: по jquery асы есть? кто знает есть ли путь найти коммент в dom'e?
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[23:02:06] Akdmeh: Парни
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[23:02:31] Akdmeh: уже второй час играюсь: короче, пишу пример из задачи, может вы поймёте в чём ошибка
[23:03:01] Akdmeh: application=Tkinter.Tk()
window=MainWindow(application)

а вот собственно класс:
class MainWindow(Tkinter.Frame):
def __init__(self, parent):
super(MainWindow, self).__init__(parent)
self.parent=parent

[23:03:23] Akdmeh: короче, ругается так:
TypeError: super() argument 1 must be type, not classobj
[23:03:33] Akdmeh: я уже не знаю, что сделать. Кто что посоветует?
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[23:05:47] Sevenov: Tony,
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[23:24:35] Akdmeh: выяснил. спасибо гуглу
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