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[00:00:08] Sevenov: cutwater, типа apps сделать? Ну так-то да, это субъективная фича, которую фреймворк выполнять не должен.
[00:00:22] cutwater: ога
[00:00:38] cutwater: и еще насколько contrib.auth юзабелен?
[00:01:17] Sevenov: cutwater, ну вроде бы полностью.
[00:01:22] cutwater: ок
[00:01:34] cutwater: расширяется так же? путем наследования от User ?
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[00:02:44] Sevenov: cutwater, и путём прописыванию AUTH_USER_MODEL в сеттингсах. Потом svarga.contrib.auth.model - это твоя модель.
[00:02:54] Sevenov: *svarga.contrib.auth.model.User
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[00:03:15] cutwater: ок
[00:03:23] Sevenov: В итоге, везде будет использоваться твоя модель, а не как в джанге.
[00:03:39] cutwater: вижу да
[00:03:45] cutwater: читать сорцы полезно :)
[00:04:18] Sevenov: А я тут решил написать молуль для тестирования, заглянул в джангу подсмотреть.
[00:04:25] Sevenov: Ох уж этот NIH-синдром
[00:04:33] cutwater: что?
[00:04:36] Sevenov: поблевал и сел думать над своим.
[00:04:38] cutwater: какого тестирования?
[00:04:45] cutwater: wtf NIH-синдром?
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[00:06:32] pacahon: Sevenov, а ты можешь ещё разок взглянуть на код, что я выложил и подсказать, почему если заменить session.commit() на session.flush() то всё нормуль? Просто эти рассуждения о flush() ни к чему не привели меня :<
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[00:07:45] Sevenov: cutwater, $ ./manage.py test
и весь проект тестируется - выполняются доктесты, юниттесты и т.п.
[00:08:02] cutwater: ясно
[00:08:05] Sevenov: pacahon, могу, но от этого ничего не изменится :)
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[00:08:12] Sevenov: cutwater, NIH - Not Invented Here.
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[00:10:24] pacahon: просто если выцеплять тех же юзверей через session.query() то работает. А если попытаться добавить объект Group в сессию и через него обратиться к списку юзверей, то не пашет. А по логике должно(
[00:10:47] bobry: шо та там не обновляется как надо
[00:11:28] bobry: Sevenov, а чего там в джанге не так с модулем тестирования? и почему не nose кстати?
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[00:13:30] Sevenov: bobry, в джанге не только с тестированием "никак", там во всём кодё чёрт хуй сломит.
[00:13:45] Sevenov: А nose чо? Это что-то модное, на что все подсели? А то я не щупал.
[00:14:09] bobry: да удобная штука
[00:14:12] Sevenov: Алсо, джанга nose не пройдёт, ибо в коде насрано, лол.
[00:14:16] bobry: тоже собирает все доктесты, тесты, шо хочешь
[00:14:21] Sevenov: /игра слов/
[00:14:28] Sevenov: >[01:10:58 AM] bobry: тоже собирает все доктесты, тесты, шо хочешь
Ооо, интересно.
[00:14:31] bobry: пройдет — там есть тест ранер для джанги
[00:14:44] Sevenov: bobry,
>[01:11:02 AM] Sevenov: /игра слов/
[00:14:45] bobry: к слову nose еще расширяем плагинами, так шо приписывай шо хочешь
[00:14:49] bobry: *OK*
[00:14:50] Sevenov: типа nose - нос )
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[00:14:59] Sevenov: >насрано
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[00:15:06] bobry: тонко
[00:15:15] Sevenov: видать, даже очень.
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[00:15:45] bobry: и чего ты так на джангу ругаешься, после всякого джедайского жава кода — вполне себе приятно почитать
[00:16:15] Sevenov: bobry, да после жабакода читать тем более невозможно.
[00:16:30] bobry: why?
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[00:18:48] Sevenov: Там хоть enterprise-style с ног до головы, но он нормально написан, а не какашки по всему коду типа return base[:1] == "_" and not base[:2] == "__" == base[-2:]
[00:19:16] bobry: это тебе тока кажется, под джедайским кодом я совсем другое имел ввиду :)
[00:19:18] Sevenov: да ладно, это мелочи. Будешь больше юзать джангу, обязательно напорешься еще.
[00:19:31] Sevenov: bobry, мммм, "джедайского" не заметил )
[00:19:31] bobry: вполне возможно
[00:19:48] bobry: то что я пока читал еще ничего так :)
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[00:20:36] Sevenov: Я помню, как-то понадобилось допилить негодный джангороутинг - в итоге, переписали.
[00:20:56] bobry: а чего там не устраивало то?
[00:21:26] Sevenov: bobry, то, что в нём ничего нет.
[00:21:49] bobry: окей, тогда что в нем должно быть?
[00:21:49] Sevenov: О, по 2х2 анимэ
[00:21:58] Sevenov: bobry, сходу - поддомены.
[00:22:26] bobry: можно разрулить на уровне сервера
[00:22:28] bobry: не?
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[00:22:39] Sevenov: bobry, реверсинг?
[00:22:51] bobry: не, rewrite
[00:23:05] bobry: это конечно не поддомены, а так — эмуляция
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[00:23:19] Sevenov: bobry, я про reverse()
[00:23:56] Sevenov: алсо, кстомная авторизация относительно того же поддомена - разные конфиги, например.
[00:23:57] bobry: окей, согласен — поддоменов нет. еще?
[00:24:10] Sevenov: не хочууу
[00:24:13] bobry: :D
[00:24:17] Sevenov: тут анима началась по 2х2 )
[00:24:21] bobry: ну давай, раз уж начал
[00:24:29] bobry: да ладно, анима вся на tpb лежит
[00:24:31] Sevenov: да фу, вспоминать не хочу )
[00:24:35] bobry: с тысячами сидеров
[00:24:44] Sevenov: Доо, у меня 3г с 64кбит (
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[00:50:11] zarg: Sevenov,
[00:50:18] zarg: а ты с twisted conch не работал?
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[00:51:56] zarg: а кто нибудь другой?
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[03:13:09] огыешсук: а couchdb тут кто пользует? как оно?
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[08:06:30] _lorien is now online
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[08:07:15] _lorien: пипец: font-size: 12px в хроме и опере оно больше, в firefox меньше, чозанах?
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[08:09:10] _lorien: опера - ебаное поделие - даже не подчиняется awesome манагеру, не могу окно уменить её
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[08:13:27] wiz: да
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[10:11:57] cutwater: Sevenov: ку ты тут?
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[10:19:28] _lorien: а шрифты пофиксились, когда я поставил куча пакетов фонтовых всяких
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[10:21:46] wiz: _lorien, например каких?
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[10:22:49] _lorien: ttf-freefont ttf-mscorefonts-installer ttf-unfonts-core x-ttcidfont-conf xfonts-base xfonts-encodings xfonts-utils ttf-liberation ну я вот это всё жахнул, посмотрел, что на нетбуке стояло
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[10:38:21] cutwater: Sevenov: я хочу в сварге в ModelForm навесить валидацию
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[10:38:34] cutwater: и да ящетаю там required не правильный
[10:38:46] cutwater: потому что NOT NULL не значит что поле required
[10:38:51] cutwater: оно может быть blank
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[10:44:37] deepwalker: cutwater, валидацию для генерации форм?
[10:44:51] cutwater: ога
[10:44:54] deepwalker: вообще есть проект сделать некий description
[10:45:04] cutwater: ?
[10:45:14] deepwalker: то есть на самом деле столько описания, сколько надо, фигачить в модель не очень хорошо
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[10:45:36] deepwalker: поэтому есть идея создать отдельные классы описания
[10:46:45] deepwalker: типа ArticleDesc(Description):
name = dict(not_null=True, verbose_name='kuku')
или
class name:
not_null = True
verbose_name = 'kuku
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[10:47:01] deepwalker: то есть оба варианта чтобы работали
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[10:48:14] cutwater: как-то выглядит страшновато пока
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[10:49:04] deepwalker: на самом деле удобнее
[10:49:11] deepwalker: описалово не ограничивается ничем
[10:49:16] deepwalker: можешь свои поля придумать
[10:49:19] deepwalker: любые
[10:49:31] deepwalker: все что угодно
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[10:49:53] cutwater: фактически метаинформация для каждого поля так?
[10:49:59] deepwalker: да
[10:50:14] cutwater: хм....
[10:50:27] deepwalker: мне нравится, что она может быть любой
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[10:50:35] deepwalker: не надо там с полями возню устраивать
[10:50:54] deepwalker: можно хоть права на каждое поле повесить
[10:50:59] deepwalker: если вдруг захочется
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[10:51:13] cutwater: в принципе нужно подумать
[10:51:46] deepwalker: Joes в принципе этот план реализовать собирался
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[10:53:17] cutwater: deepwalker: ну меня щас беспокоит вопрос таки валидации форм, исправление бага с required и проброс валидаторов из модели в model form
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[10:53:54] deepwalker: м, не знаю, по-моему валидаторы тоже лучше в деск унести
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[10:55:10] cutwater: deepwalker: ну как бы этот механизм уже реализован в SQLa надо мне бы сначала посмотреть что там да как
[10:55:19] cutwater: щас пиранья предложил ирку заюзать
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[10:55:47] deepwalker: ну да, по идее стоит в ирке обсудить : )
[10:56:24] cutwater: щас настрою...
[10:56:54] _lorien: а какая разница? )
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[11:04:21] cutwater: deepwalker: я вроде в ирку зашел
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[11:30:17] cutwater: _lorien: что думаешь по поводу http://paste.in.ua/1018/#l-2 этих Description ?
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[11:32:57] _lorien: а зачем там в виде дикта и в виде класса?
[11:33:18] _lorien: а что в модели тогда будет o_O
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[11:35:03] _lorien: class mail жутковато выглядит :)
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[11:36:22] cutwater: _lorien: надо тебя в ирку звать. для конструктивности диалога
[11:36:22] deepwalker: зато удобно
[11:36:34] cutwater: deepwalker: как по мне не очень... ну хз
[11:36:37] deepwalker: каждое свойство на своей строке
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[11:37:01] deepwalker: то есть два варианта - если свойств очень много, то классом чище
[11:37:08] narada is now xa
[11:37:16] deepwalker: а внутри оба в словарь все равно переведутся
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[11:38:13] _lorien: не, сорри, не оч хочу говорить про дескрипшны эти )
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[11:39:36] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
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[11:44:04] MAVr is now Да, я тут
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[11:54:29] MAVr is now Да, я тут
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[12:05:51] PC is now online
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[12:08:01] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
[12:08:24] enchantner is now dnd
[12:09:39] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
[12:10:30] erraen is now online
[12:11:55] evrial is now online
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[12:14:38] non3x st is now online
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[12:14:41] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
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[12:36:55] evrial is now online
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[12:37:03] _lorien is now Not available as a result of being idle
[12:37:05] _lorien is now xa
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[12:44:00] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
[12:44:01] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
[12:44:39] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
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[12:59:39] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
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[13:01:49] MAVr is now Да, я тут
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[13:58:58] nott: друзья, как может повлиять на производительность PYTHONPATH со, скажем, 100 папками?
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[13:59:55] MAVr is now Да, я тут
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[14:05:07] narada: наверное может :) там же ищутся файлы при импортах?
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[14:08:38] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
[14:08:39] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
[14:09:55] MAVr is now Да, я тут
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[14:53:08] Sevenov: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1586091 [+]
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[16:20:02] imbolc: А в wtforms что-то типа cleaned_data нету? Вообще не предполагается получать из формы обработанные данные?
[16:21:01] Sevenov: imbolc, щито? self.field_name.data
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[16:25:00] narada: у меня есть функция для проверки валидности доменного имени, работает через регексп, как правильнее поступить с компиляцией выражения?
[16:25:11] narada: делать его внутри тела функции?
[16:25:55] imbolc: Не, вопрос не в том. Если в валидаторе, например сделать field.data = field.data.split()
И форма не провалидируется, то в поле уже будет массив, а не строка.
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[16:26:15] imbolc: Всмысле, строка в виде ['aaa', 'bbb']
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[16:26:32] narada: или до, типа так
CHECK_PATTERN = re.compile(r'blah-blah')
def validate_domain(domain,pattern=CHECK_PATTERN):

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[16:27:00] nott: а зачем компилировать в теле функции?
[16:27:11] narada: ну вот вроде незачем :))
[16:27:15] nott: либо компилировать вне, либо не компилировать.
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[16:27:32] narada: просто не хотелось потроха от функции держать вдали от неё
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[16:27:51] narada: или может воообще делать def validate_domain(domain,pattern=re.compile(r'blah-blah')):
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[16:29:09] Sevenov: imbolc, это неправильно, так делать нельзя. Ты должен проверять данные, а не изменять их.
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[16:31:01] imbolc: Sevenov, допустим я проверяю пароль. Делаю запрос юзера из базы. И потом этот юзер мне нужне во вьюхе. Считаешь, правильно его второй раз там запрашивать?
[16:31:35] Sevenov: imbolc, ну ты сделай self._user_cache и запили функцию get_user и всё.
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[16:32:37] imbolc: Да, чего-то она в self-e None получает :)
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[16:32:54] Sevenov: imbolc, щито? Кто она?
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[16:35:08] cutwater: Sevenov: кстати с валидацией полей мы до сих пор ничего не решили по сварге. можешь что-нибудь умное по поводу моих вопросов сказать
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[16:35:22] Sevenov: Я пытался запилить хранение истории через desktopcouch, чтобы синкать ее через Ubuntu One м/у машинами - положил хуй на это дело.
[16:35:39] Sevenov: cutwater, а что там?
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[16:36:06] Sevenov: cutwater, если ты о том, что валидация должна производиться на уровне моделей, то я не согласен.
[16:36:09] cutwater: Sevenov: ну э... ModelForm, поля считаются required если они NOT NULL
[16:36:28] cutwater: мне это не нравится.
[16:36:30] Sevenov: cutwater, а, ну так допили и отправь патчик )
[16:36:36] cutwater: ну вот я и пытаюсь
[16:36:38] Sevenov: добавь аттрибут blank
[16:36:43] Sevenov: или типа того
[16:36:46] cutwater: в колонку?
[16:36:49] Sevenov: ну
[16:36:55] cutwater: а вот это уже веселей будет :)
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[16:37:16] Sevenov: cutwater, алсо, есть же nullable=True
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[16:37:36] cutwater: нуэ.. я о том что если поле NOT NULL это не значит что оно required
[16:37:40] cutwater: оно может быть и пустыми
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[16:38:12] cutwater: точней рекомендуется не использовать NULL там где он не не нужен, если можно обойтись пустым полем
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[16:38:15] Sevenov: cutwater, ну вот. nullable=TRUE - это то, что в нём может быть записано NULL
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[16:38:56] Sevenov: *True
[16:39:02] cutwater: Sevenov: ну да. я о том что я делаю nullable=false, но не хочу, чтобы у меня поле было required
[16:39:27] cutwater: и если я ввожу пустое значение, то в базу заносится не NULL а таки пустое значение
[16:39:58] cutwater: Sevenov: @see django blank=True
[16:40:02] imbolc: Sevenov, фсё разобрался, респект. Там валидатор объявляется как def validate_login(form, field). Вызывать нужно form.func(), а я self.func() делал :)
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[16:41:54] Sevenov: cutwater, Эммм. Типа nullable=False, blank=True при определении колумна?
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[16:42:09] cutwater: Sevenov: ну да
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[16:43:47] cutwater: Sevenov: вот и думаю как такое реализовать
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[16:43:56] cutwater: кстати почему ты против валидации моделей?
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[16:44:42] dicos: А что мешает ставить значение по умолчанию. Например, для текстового поля значение по умолчанию "", для числового поля 0, для времени дату сотворения мира?
[16:44:53] Sevenov: cutwater, чота ты меня тоже как-то загрузил )
[16:45:23] Sevenov: cutwater, ну потому что этим должен заниматься слой м/у моделями и пользователем, то бишь формы - не согласен?
[16:45:32] Sevenov: ну это так-то спорно, да.
[16:45:40] cutwater: dicos: поведение сейчас как раз реализовано таким образом что если поле NOT NULL то оно required
[16:46:36] cutwater: и если в форме пустое значение, то будет ошибка валидации
[16:46:40] dicos: для чего обязательно? Для поля формы, которую создали по модели?
[16:46:46] cutwater: да
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[16:47:17] cutwater: если я уберу этот кусок кода из валидации формы, то нужен другой критерий по которому поле формы будет required
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[16:47:40] cutwater: значит надо либо а) добавить blank в модель б) добавить возможность делать свои валидаторы в ModelForm
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[16:47:45] dicos: например, если нет значения по умолчанию
[16:47:59] dicos: это я про критерий
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[16:49:31] Sevenov: cutwater, чота я не могу представить, когда для NOT NULL нужно записывать какое-то пустое значение.
[16:49:35] cutwater: в принципе нормально
[16:49:42] Sevenov: вполне логично
[16:50:26] cutwater: ок
[16:50:42] cutwater: то есть поле required если оно NOT NULL и для него нет default value
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[16:52:54] Sevenov: cutwater, ну вот смотри. Я описываю модель, пишу nullable=False и этим я себе кагбэ говорю, что сюда _должны_ попадать данные.
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[16:53:29] Sevenov: cutwater, ты еще сделай unique=True, nullable=False, default=0, чтоб наверняка ебануться :)
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[16:54:19] cutwater: Sevenov: ну вот смотри. я пишу nullable=False если мне не нужен NULL в значениях. ондако это не означает что значением не может быть 0 или пустая строка так?
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[16:54:40] cutwater: так вот когда я в поле "описание" оставляю его пустым, предполагается что в базе оно и будет пустым
[16:54:44] cutwater: а не NULL
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[16:55:56] cutwater: меня смущает использование NULL там где он не нужен
[16:55:58] Sevenov: cutwater, в чём принципиальная разница?
[16:56:04] dicos: Если будет значение по умолчанию, то оно автоматически будет показано в форме. Если человек сотрет, то появится ошибка. Надо попробовать с методом формы clean_<fieldname>() чтобы в этом методе подставлялись значения.
[16:56:10] Sevenov: cutwater, кроме твоих личных смущений.
[16:56:25] cutwater: Sevenov: логика работы с базой данных
[16:56:37] Sevenov: dicos, а ты рассуждаешь только в контексте джанги?
[16:56:43] dicos: Sevenov, с NULL выборка в базе данных будет происходить дольше из-за этого поля.
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[17:00:20] dicos: Читал в свое время книгу "Оптимизация SQL запросов". В этой книге рассказывалось как оптимизировать запросы к ораклу и ms sql. В какой-то главе было сказано, что из-за значения null выборка будет происходить дольше из-за того, что значения этого поля будут перебираться последовательно а не "быстрым" поиском
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[17:00:55] Sevenov: dicos, скажу проще - на поля с NULL не повесить индекс.
[17:00:56] dicos: Это актуально для тех полей, которые являются индексом
[17:01:13] Sevenov: dicos, но это решается группировкой по этому полю.
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[17:05:02] cutwater: и да не забываем о логике работы с базой
[17:05:17] cutwater: Sevenov: я говорю о том что отсутствие значения != пустое значение
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[17:10:21] dicos: Sevenov, вот сделал индекс для поля, у которого null. Поправь меня, если я чего-то не понимаю http://saveimg.ru/pictures/09-08-10/ab462c7fb3da4c30a076ae52f31dae67.png
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[18:14:07] razum2um: такой вопрос. в локалке надо организовать прослушку выборочных mp3 с сервера. можно ли как-нибудь обойтись без флеша и явы? родилась например извращенская мысль сделать shoutcast на mpd или вроде того, а потоки открывать в плеерах. минус - а как параллельно для двоих?!
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[18:15:21] nmk: расшарить mp3 по какйо-нибудь самбе?
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[18:17:01] razum2um: мда.. отдавать имя файла, а его руками окрывать....
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[18:17:49] razum2um: но вообще вопрос назрел. как бы сделать простой стриммер на страничке?
[18:17:53] nmk: ну почему. положить ссылку на плейлист, там все mp3
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[18:18:29] cutwater: razum2um: vlc не?
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[18:19:14] razum2um: так.... интересно. а если клиент винда и как несколько юзеров..? по экземпляру на челка?
[18:19:32] cutwater: ээээ
[18:19:38] razum2um: несколько файлов в смысле
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[18:20:22] cutwater: а в чем собственно проблема. по-моему работает же с несколькими клиентами не?
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[18:21:06] razum2um: ну так во вьюхе subprocess или как?
[18:21:32] razum2um: а как им управлять?
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[18:22:20] cutwater: razum2um: эм... вообще на страничке без флеша или явы ты никак не сделаешь
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[18:23:04] razum2um: ок. начнем от противного: есть чтонить на яве более-менее для внедрения??
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[19:08:55] razum2um: ну это же epic fail для всей конфы, не? почему никто не напомнил про html5??!!! (пардон, не сдержался от смеха просто, когда вспомнил) vlc блин... еще всего один вопрос на чистом nginx можно проиграть <audio>? или обязателен апач (пока без него никак)
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[19:10:59] deepwalker: о великий silent_bob, порази этого человека, ибо слова его бессмысленны
[19:11:19] deepwalker: и ты, Брут
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[19:12:39] razum2um: все. отстал ;) удачи :)
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[23:34:38] vanuch is now ♫ Иван Scratchin' - Катя First - Отпусти меня ♫
[23:35:05] vanuch is now ♫ Ravin - Fashion TV Club Session ♫
[23:35:07] vanuch is now ♫ Ravin - Fashion TV Club Session ♫
[23:35:11] enchantner is now dnd
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[23:37:03] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
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[23:37:52] vanuch is now ♫ Ravin - Fashion TV Club Session ♫
[23:37:58] cybergrind is now Устал? Отдохни. Но после ты никогда не станешь солдатом революции. (#)
[23:38:00] cybergrind is now Устал? Отдохни. Но после ты никогда не станешь солдатом революции. (#)
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[23:45:55] PC is now online
[23:47:03] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
[23:47:04] vanuch is now away
[23:47:06] vanuch is now ♫ Ravin - Fashion TV Club Session ♫
[23:47:49] narada is now xa
[23:47:50] evrial is now online
[23:47:52] vanuch is now ♫ Ravin - Fashion TV Club Session ♫
[23:49:23] vanuch is now ♫ Иван Scratchin' - Катя First - Отпусти меня ♫
[23:49:25] vanuch is now ♫ Иван Scratchin' - Катя First - Отпусти меня ♫
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[23:50:25] cybergrind is now Устал? Отдохни. Но после ты никогда не станешь солдатом революции. (#)
[23:52:03] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
[23:52:50] narada is now xa
[23:52:51] evrial is now online
[23:52:54] vanuch is now ♫ Иван Scratchin' - Катя First - Отпусти меня ♫
[23:55:24] cybergrind is now Устал? Отдохни. Но после ты никогда не станешь солдатом революции. (#)
[23:56:41] Lemah is now Python
[23:57:04] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
[23:57:49] evrial is now online
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[23:57:53] vanuch is now ♫ Иван Scratchin' - Катя First - Отпусти меня ♫