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[01:30:11] narada: кто-нибудь работал с очередями в app engine? почему оно может не сразу обрабатывать задачи из очереди?
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[02:19:04] Sevenov: Блеадь, пейтон магичен. Янихуянепонял. Экспериментировал и наткнулся на такое.

http://paste.in.ua/1023/ -- что есть в module см. в http://paste.in.ua/1021/ , а то, что в models http://paste.in.ua/1022/ .

В общем-то, я не понял какого банана оно ругается на Fuck. Почему оно не None, мне вот интересно.
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[02:36:16] SV0L0CH: шото я не вижу там упоминания Fuck
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[02:43:51] bobry: лол, вот это магия
[02:44:28] bobry: да, чего то ты Sevenov не договариваешь
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[03:01:10] deepwalker: интересно, почему оно говорит ImportError, а не AttributeError
[03:01:42] deepwalker: так try except: raise ImportError?
[03:01:58] deepwalker: а, вообще это правильно
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[09:04:08] _lorien: Кто-нить пишет для вконтактика? Разбираю доки, вылазит ошибка при попытке использования VK.init:
Uncaught TypeError: Cannot call method 'replace' of undefined в xd_connection.js
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[09:07:23] gf: _lorien планирую этим заняться на следующей неделе, что посоветуешь почитать в первую очередь?
[09:07:54] _lorien: gf, официальную документацию и документацию из групп по разработке приложений
[09:08:00] Sevenov: _lorien, у меня не вылазило. Может ты что-то делаешь неправильно?
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[09:08:17] _lorien: Sevenov, я тоже думаю, что что-то делаю неправильно
[09:08:27] gf: /me Капитан Очевидность.. :)
[09:08:35] _lorien: ладно, старым добрым способом, буду делать минимально нерабочий код )
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[09:09:46] _lorien: ах ты ж
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[09:09:55] _lorien: я же не в iframe открываю, видимо, не хватает ему каких-то данных :)
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[09:13:08] Sevenov: _lorien, дык да, там же некий wrapper еще + юзерские куки для инициализации.
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[09:14:16] _lorien: Sevenov, я щас прочитал, что враппер устарел и нужно напрямую юзать vk js api т.к. он стал удобным, вроед это автор враппера написал :)
[09:14:26] _lorien: http://vk.com/page26889786 вот тут
[09:14:41] Sevenov: _lorien, дык я про то, что нужно внутри домена vk.com юзать.
[09:14:43] _lorien: а может и не автор, в любом случае я попробую без стороннего враппера
[09:14:47] _lorien: а, ну да, ага
[09:15:08] _lorien: gf, http://vk.com/club15957347 вот неплохая группа для начала, мне кажется
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[09:16:07] gf: _lorien сеньк
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[09:21:52] slav0nic: чтоб содержание поля формы не эскейпилось mark_safe в rendered методе виджета надо делать?
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[09:22:50] slav0nic: *render
[09:23:05] _lorien: а чем там плохо? :)
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[09:24:09] slav0nic: тем шо не пашет)
[09:24:53] slav0nic: а, затупил
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[09:26:32] Sevenov: _lorien, http://arsemyonov.github.com/2010/06/17/context/ <-- тут одним предложением сказано, что та либа для вконтактика - говно.
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[09:30:55] _lorien: я не очень понял, почему говно и что за либа :)
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[09:31:46] _lorien: там ваще речь про плагин для симфони какой-то
[09:32:07] _lorien: http://code.google.com/p/vk-jsapi/ я про эту обёртку говорил
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[09:33:15] Sevenov: _lorien, щито? Я пишу про плагин к симфони?
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[09:33:43] Sevenov: _lorien, в том плагине юзается этот самый vk-jsapi вроде как.
[09:33:54] _lorien: Sevenov, да ну и йух с ним :)
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[09:36:14] _lorien: Я тут щас велосипед сочиняю для интеграции джанги с вконтактом :)
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[09:41:36] wiz: вроде кто-то писал уже
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[09:47:32] slav0nic: jwysiwyg юзал кто? чёт эта падла &#62; &gt; воспринимает как >
[09:47:41] slav0nic: и херит хтмл
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[09:49:17] _lorien: а чо tinymce не юазешь?
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[09:51:56] slav0nic: чувака приглянулось типа
[09:52:01] slav0nic: *м
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[09:54:28] _lorien: а мне tinymce нарвится за то что есть django-tinymce :)
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[11:19:45] gf: у кого google.com работает?
[11:19:54] Sevenov: !g test
[11:20:03] Sevenov: gf, у пони работает.
[11:20:21] gf: мля..
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[11:20:45] gf: !g google reader
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[11:34:39] nmk: а как бы в nginxе посмотреть на куку, если кука есть, то отправить на один location, если нету, то на другой?
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[11:36:05] deepwalker: $cookie_куканаме?
[11:36:15] deepwalker: и if
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[11:36:20] nmk: так в теле ифа что написать?
[11:36:24] deepwalker: nmk, а что ты хочешь сделать? : )
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[11:37:14] nmk: ну. у меня есть много js файлов, если файла нету, то запрос идет на бэкэнд и файл создается и отдается. я хочу, что если есть определенная кука, то не пытаться отдать статику, а сразу стучать в бэкэнд
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[11:39:02] deepwalker: а, гляну
[11:39:13] nmk: да я думал try_files можно в if, но нет. низя. :(
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[11:40:38] deepwalker: if ( $http_cookie !~* "LOGIN=" ) {
rewrite ^ /scn_cache;
}
[11:40:40] deepwalker: может так?
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[11:41:02] nmk: хм. а в реврайт можно именнованный локейшен писать?
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[11:41:35] nmk: щас проверю :)
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[11:43:28] nmk: не. походу низ
[11:43:30] nmk: низя
[11:44:37] nmk: ну короче походу только rewriteом можно
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[11:48:08] _lorien: Sevenov, ты писал для вконтактика приложение? Вопрос такой, например, гостевая книга, я там хочу выводить ники написавших. Как принято, каждый раз тупо запрашивать ник через js-api или же кешировать ники в бд?
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[11:50:52] _lorien: И ещё получается смысла нет в джанговском пользователе т.к. авторизация проходит по viewer_id, а для локальных нужд нужны тоже пользователи но было бы удобно там дополнительные поля иметь, поэтому auth.User только мешаться будет.
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[12:03:12] cutwater: _lorien: слушай, а что из питоньих фреймворков ты бы посоветовал для проекта не совсем маленького?
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[12:03:52] _lorien: django? :D
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[12:06:17] cutwater: :-D
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[12:06:50] cutwater: кстати посматриваю на пайлонсы. ну вроде ниче так. алхимия мне определенно нравится, правда ей таки очень полезна еще обертка, в виде Elixir к примеру
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[12:07:19] _lorien: да я не знаю ничо, я ничо не делал крупного и что-то учить новое мне тупо лень
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[12:10:05] deepwalker: cutwater, ты это брось
[12:10:10] deepwalker: мы сваргу пилим : )
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[12:10:55] wiz: а в pylons джанговскую орм и шаблоны можно прикрутить?
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[12:11:54] deepwalker: ух, а зачем?
[12:12:00] deepwalker: jinja2 же есть
[12:12:10] deepwalker: орм вообще противопоказано оттуда выдергивать
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[12:12:20] deepwalker: он кривоват
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[12:13:01] cutwater: wiz: да вы сударь извращенец не иначе
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[12:13:29] cutwater: deepwalker: ну ыэ... я вчера поковырялся. хотел на сварге проект пилить. я ее то буду пилить, просто понял что реально щас на ней что-то писать еще проблематично
[12:13:50] deepwalker: да ладно : ) там подпилить то чуть
[12:13:50] wiz: /me <3 django orm
[12:14:03] deepwalker: wiz просто не видел других девушек
[12:14:14] cutwater: wiz: и чем же тебе так нравится django orm, чем он лучше алхимии?
[12:14:15] wiz: алхимию я попробовал ещё до джанги
[12:14:20] cutwater: неосилил?
[12:14:22] wiz: ага
[12:14:28] cutwater: wiz: 4.2
[12:14:32] cutwater: в каком месте он лучше?
[12:14:40] wiz: тем, что я его осилил
[12:14:48] cutwater: это печально право же
[12:14:51] wiz: да
[12:14:56] wiz: зато работает
[12:15:07] cutwater: wiz: джанго орм убог же ну
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[12:15:33] _lorien: Беседа смысла не имеет без конкретных задач. Например, если надо делать выборку по ID, то смысла нет, что использовать алхимию или django orm :)
[12:15:49] cutwater: _lorien: принес здравый смысл в обсуждение
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[12:16:25] wiz: а мне нравится делать__запросы
[12:16:36] wiz: /me нелюбит sql
[12:16:50] wiz: и все DSL что под него мимикрируют
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[12:22:24] deepwalker: wiz, м, а в алхимии можно так - User.objects.filter(User.name == 'kukusik').filter(User.age > 45)
[12:22:30] deepwalker: по моему отличный DSL
[12:23:10] deepwalker: и собственно не слишком то долго переучиваться с джангорма
[12:23:14] _lorien: User.objects.filter(name='kukusik', age__gt=45)
по-моему это круче )
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[12:23:28] deepwalker: а та мпо разному можно
[12:23:38] _lorien: я тоже алхимию пробовал понять, это разрывает мозг
[12:23:51] _lorien: не, ну недели за две ебли я бы осознал большинство граблей, но с нуля очень сложно (
[12:24:27] wiz: User.name, User.age... User. = fffuuu
[12:25:13] wiz: User.shoot(User.foot)
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[12:25:30] deepwalker: wiz, да я сам не особо в ней разбираюсь пока
[12:25:43] wiz: хотя filter(age > 45) было бы зочотно, да
[12:25:55] deepwalker: а так невозможно по-моему изобразить
[12:25:57] wiz: хотя магия... хз...
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[12:26:11] wiz: угу, не в питоне
[12:26:16] deepwalker: а age_gt=45 не магия? : )
[12:26:19] wiz: не
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[12:26:28] wiz: не настолько
[12:26:37] deepwalker: да ну тоже самое
[12:26:41] wiz: .split('__') это не магия
[12:26:54] wiz: перегрузка операторов пожосче будет
[12:27:13] wiz: хотя хаскеляторам понравится
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[12:29:16] _lorien: меня тоже перегрузка в сравнениях раздражает, но это просто от привычки
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[12:31:23] wiz: на каждый чих перегрузку делать имхо не труъ. getattr как-то честнее будет и не надо символами мозг выносить пользователю
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[12:37:19] deepwalker: это все фигня : )
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[12:37:30] deepwalker: теоритическая
[12:37:38] deepwalker: работает, проблем нет, мозг на месте у всех
[12:38:04] deepwalker: не замонадился ничуть, так что хаскель тут неуместен.
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[12:41:57] deepwalker: а вот стоит более опытным товарищам нарисовать какой-нибудь хороший запрос из реальной жизни, с джойнами и тп
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[12:43:25] wiz: Model.objects.raw("YOUR sql FROM hell") и всё
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[12:44:10] deepwalker: фуууу
[12:44:14] deepwalker: : )
[12:44:46] deepwalker: да не суть, redis.get(key)
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[12:51:11] Sevenov: Наблюдаю диалог и замечаю говноедство как у пхпшников.
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[12:51:27] Sevenov: то бишь, не хотение принимать что-то более адекватное.
[12:51:36] Sevenov: *нехотение
[12:51:53] non3x st: нежелание*
[12:52:02] Sevenov: да, вот
[12:52:11] Sevenov: пару минут пытался вспомнить слово
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[12:53:23] _lorien: simultaneous меня разрывает это слово
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[12:53:37] _lorien: Sevenov, см. выше я там писал кой-чего про соцсети )
[12:53:49] _lorien: lorien: Sevenov, ты писал для вконтактика приложение? Вопрос такой, например, гостевая книга, я там хочу выводить ники написавших. Как принято, каждый раз тупо запрашивать ник через js-api или же кешировать ники в бд?
_lorien: И ещё получается смысла нет в джанговском пользователе т.к. авторизация проходит по viewer_id, а для локальных нужд нужны тоже пользователи но было бы удобно там дополнительные поля иметь, поэтому auth.User только мешаться будет.
[12:53:54] _lorien: вот, сюда смотри уже :)
[12:54:06] Sevenov: _lorien, ну логичнее юзеров приложения у себя в бэкенде хранить.
[12:54:26] Sevenov: их состояния, например
[12:54:40] Sevenov: установил/не установил, онлайн/оффлайн и т.п.
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[12:55:39] Portnov: товарищи, а шо можете сказать на тему django и soap? Есть что-то для интеграции?
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[12:56:19] wiz: могу сказать, что soap не надо трогать даже палочкой
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[12:56:46] Portnov: wiz: а шо тогда? json-rpc?
[12:57:03] Portnov: yaml-rpc? )
[12:57:13] _lorien: Sevenov, ты как хранил, ты использовал как-то django.contrib.auth в приложении?
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[12:57:31] Sevenov: _lorien, я вообще джангу не юзаю уже хз сколько )
[12:57:40] _lorien: Sevenov, ок )
[12:58:05] wiz: Portnov, всё что угодно, только не мыло
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[12:58:39] Portnov: вот с этим http://ghns.freedesktop.org никто дела не имел?
[12:58:42] wiz: /me обычно городит простой rpc на json-е
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[12:59:54] Portnov: тут, в общем-то, надо организовать обмен файликами в определённом порядке. И это можно сделать либо через webdav, либо через soap.
[12:59:54] cutwater: Sevenov: а что ты юзаешь?
[13:00:21] wiz: Portnov, откуда такие ограничения?
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[13:00:44] Sevenov: cutwater, код от pocoo-team.
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[13:01:03] cutwater: Sevenov: werkzeug ?
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[13:01:28] Portnov: wiz: из спеки по ссылке выше.
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[13:01:48] Portnov: в принципе, можно вобще ftp, но это вроде уж совсем прошлый век.
[13:01:50] cutwater: Sevenov: ы... а можешь заделиться примером приложения на werkzeug без сварги если
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[13:03:03] Sevenov: cutwater, werkzeug/examples :)
[13:03:10] cutwater: хм..
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[13:03:31] cutwater: не ну я имею ввиду complete то есть с базой данных, шаблонами, MVC
[13:03:37] wiz: webdav кстати можно, да
[13:03:55] wiz: хоть какой-то намёк на REST
[13:04:01] Sevenov: cutwater, мне лень отрывать.
[13:04:04] cutwater: Sevenov: а ок. нашел щас гляну
[13:04:11] cutwater: Sevenov: в смысле?
[13:05:07] Sevenov: cutwater, в смысле, от проекта. Там уже много кода, так что чистого примера не предоставлю.
[13:05:16] cutwater: ясно
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[13:05:23] cutwater: и проект закрытый очевидно
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[13:05:50] Sevenov: cutwater, дык.
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[13:06:06] Sevenov: /me пырится в c5t и блюёт, и блюёт.
[13:06:13] Sevenov: Это цээмэска на тг.
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[13:10:27] Portnov: Ладно, пусть webdav. вот надо примерно такую логику реализовать. Принять файл по webdav, переложить в другое место, записать в бд факт что мы приняли то-то переместили туда-то.
[13:10:38] Portnov: как это проще всего сделать?
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[13:11:05] wiz: а в чём проблема то?
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[13:11:33] Portnov: ну вобще вот файл принять средствами чего? Не ручками же хттп-сервер писать.
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[13:25:05] wiz: ну сделай бочку^W^W возьми джангу
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[13:30:03] google.com: а как по трушному из 'auth.User' получить User класс?
[13:30:07] google.com: в джанге
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[13:31:06] Sevenov: щито?
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[13:31:29] Sevenov: from django.contrib.auth.models import User, лол
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[13:32:49] google.com: по ходу так:
def load_class(path):
from django.db.models.loading import get_app
app, cls = path.rsplit('.', 1)
return getattr(get_app(app), cls)
[13:33:09] Sevenov: >[02:27:48 PM] Sevenov: щито?
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[13:35:46] google.com: In [6]: get_model(*'auth.User'.rsplit('.', 1))
Out[6]: <class 'django.contrib.auth.models.User'>
о, даже так
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[14:25:10] Sevenov: Блеадь, как же я не люблю работать с датами и временем :(
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[14:33:08] Tony: меня больше клиент-сайд бесит
[14:33:23] Sevenov: не, это ооок.
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[14:34:34] Portnov: оок ок ооок. оок оок Оок.
[14:34:52] Sevenov: кококооооо-ко-кооо.
[14:34:57] Sevenov: кут-кудааах.
[14:35:06] Portnov: ЯП такое есть, Оок.
[14:35:12] Sevenov: Добро пожаловать в конверенцию python-разработчиков.
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[15:49:15] narada: может возникать UnboundLocalError внутри функции, если функция объявлена def func (somevar=False):
[15:49:37] narada: внутри тела функции я делаю if somevar:
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[19:19:02] _lorien: http://cs10316.vkontakte.ru/u39962428/115184209/x_227ef3df.jpg :D
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[19:23:27] Darth Лис: а чойта?!
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[19:26:28] bobry: гусеница какая т
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[19:28:01] _lorien: это я, насилую гусеницу :D
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[19:29:30] Darth Лис: позвоночник какой-то %)
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[19:32:23] bobry: :D
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[19:37:09] _lorien: http://cs10316.vk.com/u39962428/115184209/x_dec202ab.jpg вот ещё в такой позе
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[19:38:50] bobry: эта более приличная
[19:39:04] bobry: но почему такое безразличное выржение?
[19:39:08] bobry: где эмоции? восторг?
[19:39:10] bobry: работаем!
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[19:39:20] Darth Лис: bobry: может он наоборот, слишком сосредоточен ;)
[19:39:27] bobry: лол
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[19:40:22] _lorien: нет, я просто на фотках не люблю улыбаться, у меня зуба нет переднего и как-то хардкорно получается )
[19:40:30] _lorien: чё-то всё зуб не соберусь сделать
[19:40:47] Darth Лис: _lorien: к штоматологу не пробовал обращаться? :)
[19:40:50] _lorien: хотя надо наверное забить уже и завалить вконтактег хардкорными фото :D
[19:40:58] _lorien: Да я раньше их боялся, серьёзно :)
[19:41:07] _lorien: В этом году только вот пошёл лечить другие зубы.
[19:41:17] tex3d is now Да, я здесь.
[19:41:18] _lorien: Теперь вот осталось спереди вставить.
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[19:41:37] bobry: дык их же наращивают — или ваще нет?
[19:41:55] Darth Лис: "хорошо зафиксированный пациент не требует анестезии"
[19:42:00] Darth Лис: :D
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[19:42:19] _lorien: наращивают если есть чо наращивать
[19:42:22] _lorien: у меня ваще зуб удалён )
[19:42:28] Darth Лис: bobry: метало-керамику ставят и всё
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[19:42:39] bobry: а, ну я еще с таким не сталкивался
[19:42:40] _lorien: ввинчивают стержень металлический, потом на него уже хуячат керамику и всё такое
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[19:42:49] bobry: только на днях наращивал себе :D
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[19:43:13] _lorien: ну как оказалось ходить к стоматологу ничо страшного, кольнули анестезией и лежишь думки-думаешь...
[19:43:24] bobry: ну это если кольнули)
[19:43:25] Darth Лис: (такие чисто, зубологи встретились, на проф темы поговорить %)
[19:44:21] non3x st: это если анестезия подействовала...
[19:44:22] _lorien: ну я ходил в платную стоматологию, в бесплатную я чё-то всё равно боюсь )
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[19:44:39] _lorien: ну там если есть ощущения, то она ещё поддаёт :)
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[19:45:53] bobry: ну вибрации там чувствуются на ура
[19:46:03] bobry: когда тебе каким нить крупнокалиберным сверлом там засядят)
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[19:57:38] _lorien: ага, знаем такое осчучение )
[19:57:43] _lorien: ваще пипец )
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[19:58:16] _lorien: а ещё прикольно, когда временную пломбу делали, потом прихожу, она берёт какую-то стаместку и начинает отковыривать эту пломбу, ну не плому, а коронку )
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[19:58:23] _lorien: не больно, Но первый раз неожиданно )
[19:58:55] _lorien: но зато врач очень красивая - мне понравилось ))
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[19:59:11] _lorien: рыжая и голос такой красивый, мягкий
[19:59:35] _lorien: мягкий, с хрипотцой, арбузный
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[19:59:56] bobry: ну ты разошелся что то :)
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[20:02:11] Darth Лис: да бля, попал я один раз на вырывание зуба к женщине
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[20:02:18] Darth Лис: думал там и умру
[20:02:30] Darth Лис: пол-лица расковыряла, сцука
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[20:02:45] Darth Лис: а мужик, хуяк! и за 5 секунд выдрал
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[20:02:49] _lorien: Тебе понравился её голос? :D
[20:02:58] _lorien: Наверное, запомнил надолго :D
[20:03:34] Darth Лис: _lorien: прикинь, посде удаления 1 зуба — зашивали!
[20:03:55] Darth Лис: т.е. челюсть разворотила так что швы пришлось накладывать
[20:04:01] Darth Лис: идиотка мля
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[20:16:03] narada: а есть что-нить на подобии curses для python? чтоб работало на windows
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[20:33:03] Darth Лис: narada: import curses
[20:33:10] Darth Лис: ^_^
[20:33:32] Darth Лис: хотя насчёт винды хз
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[20:36:26] _lorien: http://vk.com/app1921072 а кто во вконтакте есть, напишите плиз чо-нить для теста :)
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[22:06:00] Tony: кто-нибудь юзает web2py?
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[22:08:22] Sevenov: говноеды.
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[22:09:11] bobry: nice
[22:09:13] Tony: он легкий пиздец.
[22:09:18] bobry: Tony: bottle?
[22:09:20] Tony: но сука магия бесит
[22:09:25] Tony: bobry, yep
[22:09:36] bobry: шо йеп, я про альтернативу webpy :)
[22:10:03] Tony: bobry, ох ебать. понял. а она на gae как?
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[22:10:12] Sevenov: >[11:05:55 PM] Tony: он легкий пиздец.
Щито? web2py != web.py
[22:10:14] cybergrind is now Устал? Отдохни. Но после ты никогда не станешь солдатом революции. (#)
[22:10:22] bobry: эм, не в курсе
[22:10:24] Tony: Sevenov, web2py именно про него
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[22:11:14] bobry: а я на web.py подумал
[22:11:29] Tony: не. web.py уныл
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[22:11:48] bobry: w\e
[22:11:55] Tony: по перфомансу этот bottle поди джанге тоже просирает?
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[22:12:57] bobry: нигде столько спецов не увидишь
[22:13:03] bobry: ты профайлил джангу чтоли?
[22:13:08] bobry: как тормознутость то мерял?
[22:13:18] bobry: и, да — bottle 1000строк всего
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[22:14:20] Tony: давно профайлил
[22:14:29] cybergrind is now Устал? Отдохни. Но после ты никогда не станешь солдатом революции. (#)
[22:14:31] Tony: вот бесит дико что эта джанга толстая пиздец.
[22:14:32] Sevenov: Да чота Tony неадекватный какой-то. bottle - медленный, а тонна говнокода - это "легкий пиздец".
[22:14:50] Tony: сам по себе bottle быстрее спору нет
[22:14:54] Tony: я уверен
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[22:15:11] Tony: но вот всякие темплейтные системы вроде jinja2
[22:15:13] bobry: Tony — пиши на си если скорость нужна
[22:15:32] bobry: там есть свой примитивный шаблонизатор
[22:15:37] Sevenov: На яве, камле.
[22:15:40] bobry: а так, jinja2 очень даже не медленная
[22:15:47] bobry: ну на хацкеле тоже мож(дн)о
[22:15:50] Tony: наверное я давно тестил
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[22:24:06] cutwater: по неподтвержденным данным шаблонизатор джанги сливает по сравнению с jinja2
[22:24:13] cutwater: Tony: сварга рулит. пили svarga же
[22:24:29] cybergrind is now Устал? Отдохни. Но после ты никогда не станешь солдатом революции. (#)
[22:24:31] Tony: даже тот который в 1.2 ?
[22:25:04] bobry: дык там один фик компиляции то нет
[22:25:06] bobry: а в жинже есть
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[22:26:05] Sevenov: Tony, жинжа собирает ast => шаблоны компилятся в байт-код.
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[22:29:54] bobry: а в гажиме отвалилось дополнение ников в muc
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[22:30:31] Tony: гаджим же медленный
[22:30:47] bobry: у тебя какая то параноя по скорости
[22:30:49] bobry: зато он удобный
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[22:31:15] bobry: и я пока за ним не замечал медлительности которая была бы критичной
[22:31:48] Tony: у меня иногда он тупит когда пытаюсь заресайзить панели.
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[22:32:43] bobry: да, это как раз пример некритичной медлительности
[22:32:45] Sevenov: У Tony словно какой-то юношеский максимализм. Либо наоборот, старческая привычка чрезмерно оптимизировать для слабеньких машин.
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[22:32:58] Sevenov: Ни то, ни другое не нужно.
[22:33:08] Tony: да. мне всего 8 лет.
[22:33:23] Sevenov: Tony, из крайности в крайность.
[22:33:27] bobry: yup
[22:33:28] Sevenov: 8 лет - не юноша.
[22:33:33] bobry: скорее 8*2
[22:33:44] Sevenov: Во, это тот самый возраст.
[22:33:58] Tony: к сожалению 8*3
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[22:34:19] bobry: тогда случай серьезнее
[22:34:28] Tony: у меня приложение просто ебнутое еще и одно из условий gae, по-этому кажусь неадекватным.
[22:34:29] cybergrind is now Устал? Отдохни. Но после ты никогда не станешь солдатом революции. (#)
[22:34:38] Sevenov: а, gae
[22:34:41] Sevenov: плачевно
[22:34:45] bobry: может тогда забыть про gae?
[22:34:52] Tony: не выйдет...
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[22:35:02] bobry: в любом случае jinja хороший выбор
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[22:35:11] bobry: с точки зрения производительности
[22:35:30] Tony: вообще ситуация полна идиотизма. это приложение под вконтакте работающее на gae, что может быть более ебнуто я представить себе не могу.
[22:35:49] bobry: :D
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[22:35:54] bobry: я слышу голос разума
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[22:36:13] Sevenov: я слышу плачь ССЗБ.
[22:37:02] Tony: еще у меня есть шанс отговорить начальство от джанги-хуянги
[22:37:06] Tony: которая почему-то 1.1.1
[22:37:17] bobry: мне нравится как тут культивируется ненависть к джанге
[22:37:18] bobry: :D
[22:37:35] bobry: пхпшникам есть чем проникаться
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[22:37:55] Sevenov: bobry, им только джангой.
[22:38:08] Tony: да я какбы ее юзаю давно и знаю плюсы\минусы но это реально не тот случай чтобы ее использовать, по-этому про web2py и стал задумываться.
[22:38:08] bobry: ну вы тут все как один твердите что джанга говно
[22:38:16] bobry: на неокрепший моск это действует однозначно
[22:38:28] bobry: Tony, а что за случай то?
[22:38:57] bobry: расскажите мне про минусы джанги кстати, если не влом. или ткните где почитать?
[22:39:03] Tony: bobry, всего 1 (одна) страница прямым http запросом, остальное пару десятков ajax-запросов.
[22:39:23] bobry: дык может реально bottle тада?
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[22:40:21] Tony: вот в последующем предполагается "мочный бэкэнд", я думаю может люди которые выбирали django не знали что contrib.admin на gae не работает?
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[22:41:18] bobry: какой бэкенд?
[22:41:26] Tony: да админка.
[22:42:03] Tony: полагаю в bottle нет механизмов валидации форм?
[22:42:08] bobry: там вообще ничего нет
[22:42:14] bobry: но для форм можно заюзать formencode
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[23:42:23] Tony: вот единственное к чему за пределами джанги я не могу привыкнуть так это валидация форм.
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[23:43:38] SV0L0CH: да... трудно привыкнуть к говну :-/
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