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[01:09:17] Sevenov: >[12:45:17 AM] SV0L0CH: мне надо загрузку/сохранение данных на локальной машине без использования серверной части
window.Global/LocalStorage
[01:09:41] Sevenov: а, хм
[01:09:49] Sevenov: SV0L0CH, не фантазируй.
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[01:11:41] SV0L0CH: оно везде работает?
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[01:12:38] Sevenov: Ну, эээ. В новых бровзерах.
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[01:13:01] SV0L0CH: только это не похоже на импорт/экспорт
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[01:13:34] Sevenov: нет
[01:14:13] Sevenov: экспорт делается путём data:mimetype,base64, ....
[01:14:31] Sevenov: SV0L0CH, алсо, заюзай флеш
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[01:15:44] SV0L0CH: Sevenov: я таки подумал про флеш
[01:16:18] SV0L0CH: осталось найти готовое решение
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[03:18:43] gf: Sevenov смотря для чего.. для настроек интерфейса я юзаю куки..
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[10:18:29] remake: дайте мне войсу, а то две каптчи надо вводить перед входом на конференцию
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[10:20:12] slav0nic: дал
[10:20:18] remake: спасибо
[10:20:24] cutwater: piranha: нашел баг в сварге
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[10:20:45] cutwater: if (not field.nullable and
not field.default and
not field.relation):

в forms/model.py
[10:20:55] cutwater: объясни смысл not field.relation
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[10:21:01] cutwater: потому что с таким условием работает не так как надо
[10:21:04] piranha: хм
[10:21:06] piranha: а как надо?
[10:21:34] piranha: бтв
[10:21:37] cutwater: piranha: ну как бы если поле NOT NULL но у него есть дефолт оно не required
[10:21:38] piranha: http://rswilson.ch/flatland/
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[10:21:56] cutwater: piranha: что это?
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[10:22:06] piranha: крутые формы
[10:22:07] cutwater: руби...
[10:22:09] cutwater: :)
[10:22:12] piranha: втформы явно сосут
[10:22:21] cutwater: а нет... :)
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[10:22:34] piranha: cutwater: хм, не выкупил про required/relation :)
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[10:26:02] cutwater: короче я хз зачем там relation
[10:26:16] cutwater: но есть у меня поле. оно nullable=False, default=''
[10:26:33] cutwater: так как оно не relation то условие выполняется и оно required
[10:26:35] cutwater: а не должно
[10:26:51] piranha: хммм
[10:26:55] cutwater: хотя стоп
[10:27:05] cutwater: piranha: пустая строка считается как False ?
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[10:27:42] cutwater: ну тогда все понятно
[10:28:04] cutwater: piranha: расскажи как патчик сделать. щас зафиксим.
[10:28:26] cutwater: надо проверять default is None
[10:28:27] piranha: исправляешь, коммитишь, делаешь hg email -r номер-ревизии
[10:28:32] piranha: и шлëшь в svarga@librelist.com
[10:28:36] piranha: ага
[10:29:14] cutwater: piranha: просто hg email пароль не спрашивает. а не хотелось бы в отрытом виде даже у себя пароль от мыла хранить
[10:29:17] slav0nic: piranha, про flatland это был сарказм?) или ты сменил свой мнение
[10:29:23] piranha: slav0nic: сменил
[10:29:27] slav0nic: )
[10:29:28] piranha: смотрю презентацию и прозреваю
[10:29:36] piranha: cutwater: какой пароль? о_О
[10:29:42] piranha: аааа
[10:29:51] cutwater: piranha: ну smtp от мыла же
[10:29:58] cutwater: у меня MTA не поднят
[10:30:03] piranha: ну можешь сделать экспорт в какой-нить пастебин и дать мне линк
[10:30:07] piranha: угу, у меня просто поднят )
[10:30:13] cutwater: а ок
[10:30:15] cutwater: надо поднять
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[10:30:28] cutwater: piranha: postfix ?
[10:30:32] slav0nic: ssmtp поставь и настрой на своё мыло
[10:30:47] piranha: да, постфикс с макосью идëт :)
[10:30:52] _lorien: А чо делать, если содержимое страницы iframe-приложение не влазит в окно вконтакта?
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[10:31:01] cutwater: slav0nic: ну дык не хочу в настройках пароль от мыла же хранить
[10:31:21] slav0nic: ну ёпта)
[10:31:30] slav0nic: у тя под рутом кроме тебя тко-то сидит?
[10:32:29] cutwater: я имел ввиду пароль от smtp на своем gmail
[10:32:32] evrial is now online
[10:32:34] cutwater: а под рутом даже я не сижу :-D
[10:32:58] piranha: slav0nic: на код бы еще посмотреть при случае
[10:33:01] piranha: и если он - то ваще нет слов
[10:33:06] piranha: генератор хтмл оторван от форм - разрыв
[10:33:12] piranha: .from_object - отлично
[10:33:15] slav0nic: )
[10:33:18] piranha: .flatten - разрывает
[10:33:21] piranha: тащусь )
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[10:37:16] cutwater: piranha: http://paste.in.ua/1035/
[10:37:23] cutwater: да таки надо срочно учить mercurial
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[10:38:02] piranha: cutwater: пушнул
[10:38:23] cutwater: кстати насколько сейчас целесообразно использовать HTML5 XHTML5 в проекте на поиграться....
[10:38:51] cutwater: так как пока проект будет хоть сколько-нибудь допилен HTML5 уже войдет в массы.
[10:39:05] bobry: XHTML5?
[10:39:07] cutwater: piranha: щас гляну что за формы эти
[10:39:07] bobry: lolwoot?
[10:39:27] piranha: html5 ftw
[10:39:32] piranha: в некоторой степени
[10:39:36] bobry: да, и без буквы X ftw
[10:39:45] piranha: а нету ххтмл
[10:39:57] cutwater: а печально
[10:40:01] bobry: ну, XHTML2 же так и не утвердили?
[10:40:08] bobry: cutwater, почему?
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[10:40:33] cutwater: а мне не нравится когда можно писать
<input name="blablabla">
вместо
<input name="blablabla" />
[10:40:42] cutwater: даешь xml совместимость и удобство для парсинга
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[10:42:35] slav0nic: piranha, де в сварге тесты?)
[10:42:42] cutwater: тесты?
[10:42:52] piranha: :(
[10:43:07] slav0nic: не хорошо)
[10:43:22] slav0nic: хотя я сам их редко пишу, но полезно)
[10:43:24] piranha: :-(
[10:43:35] slav0nic: а доки не написаны по ней?
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[10:44:00] bobry: cutwater, дык не работает же, народ все равно невалидный xhtml кует. несмотря на ducktype
[10:44:18] cutwater: bobry: это интимные проблемы народа
[10:44:36] bobry: мне кажется тут указатель в другую сторону
[10:44:38] cutwater: вообще надо срочно встраивать в браузеры "ошибки валидации" без которых оно не отображает по умолчанию
[10:44:40] bobry: это интимные проблемы xhtml
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[10:45:06] bobry: лично я как пользователь не хочу видеть ошибки валидации
[10:45:12] bobry: и меня мало волнует почему они происходят
[10:45:13] cutwater: чтобы львиная доля пехапешников по дефолту писала правильно
[10:45:20] bobry: дело не в phpшниках
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[10:45:44] cutwater: bobry: тут как бы дело такое. нужен строгий стандарт, не соответствие которому приводит к ошибкам валидации
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[10:45:56] bobry: в чем profit то?
[10:46:04] bobry: браузеры уже умеют парсить не строгий
[10:46:04] cutwater: ты же на С++ не скомпилируешь программу с синтаксическими ошибками
[10:46:36] cutwater: bobry: новый доктайп на который надо повсеместно переходить.
[10:46:38] bobry: странное сравнение какое то
[10:46:52] bobry: doctype сам по себе сомнительный profit
[10:47:09] cutwater: xml schemа не важно
[10:47:34] bobry: нет, вот ты мне объясни — в чем бонус от использования xml? в ошибках валидации?
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[10:47:44] bobry: люди читают и валидный и невалидный код
[10:47:47] bobry: браузеры тоже
[10:47:51] bobry: где проблема?
[10:47:58] cutwater: bobry: а) как никак парсить его проще раз б) скорость два в) парсить программно еще проще
[10:48:26] cutwater: ну э... из-за невалидного html допустим при парсинге внешних ресурсов etc. сталкиваешься с чудесными ошибками
[10:48:36] cutwater: beautiful soup тому живой пример
[10:48:36] bobry: а как объяснить пользователю что страница не отрисована потому что верстальщик не закрыл тег?
[10:48:38] bobry: это же fail
[10:48:58] cutwater: bobry: если верстальщик не проверил в браузере это проблема верстальщика
[10:49:02] bobry: нет
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[10:49:08] bobry: в конечном итоге это проблема пользователя
[10:49:17] cutwater: если у тебя вылазит ошибка php warning bla bla bla то это не проблема пользователя
[10:49:26] bobry: да?
[10:49:40] cutwater: это проблема тупого разработчика который не протестировал продукт
[10:49:45] bobry: это как так? пользователь открыл страницу и видит php ... — у него проблема. он хотел сайт а получил ошибку
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[10:50:37] cutwater: bobry: пользователи негодуют -> начальство недовольно -> разработчики получают по мозгам -> валидная вестка, профит
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[10:51:21] cutwater: bobry: ну ок. вылазящие ошибки пхп встречаются если не повсеместно, но встречаются. и это проблема разработчиков.
[10:51:24] bobry: в случае верстке все совсем не так прямолинейно. пользователи негодуют. пользователи ищут браузер который рендерит валидный и невалидный код и пользуют его.
[10:51:35] bobry: или, пользователь просто больше не заходит на ваш сайт
[10:51:43] cutwater: bobry: 90% пользователей искать браузер не будут.
[10:52:00] bobry: тогда они просто забьют на сайт
[10:52:04] bobry: если это первое посещение
[10:52:19] cutwater: так что приходим к аналогии с пхп. если пользователь зашел на сайт и увидел ошибку вместо контента, то он либо зайдет позже / либо не зайдет
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[10:52:29] bobry: да
[10:52:31] bobry: и это его проблема
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[10:52:35] bobry: не только разработчика
[10:53:00] cutwater: мы просто вводим дополнительное условие, которое должно заставить писать правильный код.
[10:53:21] cutwater: ладно... это разговор ни о чем.
[10:53:22] bobry: окей, т.е. фейл xhtml не убеждает?
[10:53:30] cutwater: вернемся к нашим баранам с формами
[10:53:36] bobry: sure
[10:54:55] cutwater: piranha: а что у них с i18n ?
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[10:55:33] cutwater: формы мне даже очень понравились.
[10:55:43] piranha: cutwater: дупля не нарежу
[10:55:50] piranha: сам не юзал, посмотрел тока презентацию и прозрел
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[10:55:54] piranha: осталось заценить проблемы )
[10:56:05] piranha: я думаю, что к i18n они отношения не имеют
[10:56:07] cutwater: ясно. кстати кроме i18n сообщений об ошибках должно еще что-нибудь быть или не?
[10:56:36] cutwater: по идее кроме ошибок ничего переводить в формах не нужно. все остальное можно сделать вне форм.
[10:57:27] cutwater: Support for Jinja2 and Mako is underway with a feature set similar to the Genshi support.
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[10:59:54] piranha: ну i18n для лейблов
[11:00:01] piranha: но лейблы ты пишешь сам без проблем
[11:00:23] cutwater: плюс таки они будут у нас описываться в дескрипшнах
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[11:00:47] deepwalker: cutwater, а за что ты так не любишь ирку? : )
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[11:01:05] cutwater: deepwalker: как это не люблю. я там сижу.
[11:01:12] cutwater: но просто нормального клиента еще не нашел
[11:01:18] cutwater: так что тут вроде как удобней
[11:01:42] cutwater: а qutim с иркой совсем тяжко работает, так что пока пользую ChatZilla... но он тоже уныловат
[11:02:01] cutwater: deepwalker: плюс таки опять тут _lorien и все все все, кто еще можно сказать умных вещей.
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[11:02:41] piranha: xchat
[11:03:03] cutwater: гляну
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[11:05:46] _lorien: пыщь пыщь попячсо ояебу
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[11:06:48] _lorien: я сделал dumpz для вконтакта :) попробую теперь валидацию пройти или как там её
[11:06:59] cutwater: олоо
[11:07:15] piranha: зжож :)
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[11:08:16] cutwater: deepwalker: но жабир таки удобнее :)
[11:08:26] piranha: ноусэр :)
[11:08:35] piranha: это всë привычка
[11:08:42] piranha: чем больше активности, тем удобнее ирка
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[11:10:39] cutwater: deepwalker: вопрос на вскидку
[11:10:53] cutwater: родилась слегка безумная идея. типа gobby только с веб мордой
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[11:11:19] cutwater: правда мне подсказывают что такое уже есть FAIL
[11:11:26] deepwalker: черт : )
[11:11:32] deepwalker: предлагаю visio
[11:11:39] deepwalker: такого точно нет
[11:11:42] cutwater: ололо
[11:11:42] deepwalker: даже в десктопе
[11:12:16] deepwalker: это единственное приложение, за которое я даже могу заплатить MS денег
[11:12:23] deepwalker: нон гениально
[11:12:29] deepwalker: оно
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[11:12:35] cutwater: хех.. а зачем оно?
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[11:14:10] nmk: deepwalker: так подожди нету. граферы же одни делали что-то. щас попытаюсь найти
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[11:14:53] nmk: http://live.yworks.com/yfiles-ajax/Examples/Network_Monitor.html
[11:14:59] nmk: там конечно не visio
[11:15:12] nmk: но картинок поднакидать и схемы можно рисовать ;)
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[11:15:23] nmk: ой. не тот пример дал
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[11:15:58] nmk: http://live.yworks.com/yfiles-ajax/Examples/Graph_Editor.html
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[11:27:59] deepwalker: nmk, в том то и прикол, что подобной фигни море, а visio один
[11:28:31] nmk: ну мс же вроде собирается все в веб выкатывать
[11:28:35] nmk: моежт стоит подождать просто? :)
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[11:30:28] deepwalker: мс? да нафиг : )
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[11:31:00] deepwalker: и работать оно все будет только в ие
[11:31:13] deepwalker: а все остальные браузеры будут признаны кривыми
[11:31:23] deepwalker: а, не, нужен будет сильверлайт
[11:31:33] deepwalker: и бабло конечно
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[14:09:42] gf: bobry: кстати, по моему первому вопросу..:
>>> from gis.models import Build
>>> street = Build.objects.filter(street__colony__name="Старые Решеты")
>>> street
[<Build: Молодежная, 2а>]
[14:10:05] gf: работает :), только я не совсем понял почему сразу не работало..
[14:10:17] gf: и после чего заработало..
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[14:48:58] kwis: товарищи, я снова хочу вас мучать своими тегами
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[14:51:53] kwis: есть вот такие модели http://dpaste.com/228472/ Надо считать сколько в теге статей. Допустим я переопределяю метод save и когда сохраняю Post к каждому выделенному тегу записываю +1, но это же будет не правильно
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[14:52:31] kwis: Тоесть получается что я даже когда просто открою статью на редактирование я при сохранении опять буду записывать +1
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[15:00:35] gf: kwis ответ есть в этой сроке: Build.objects.filter(street__colony__name="Старые Решеты")
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[15:01:22] kwis: не вижу я этого ответа
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[15:03:07] gf: kwis я все строения, которые относятся к городу Старые Решеты, пихаю в переменную streeе (адекватнее было бы build, но это не важно.. :)) а потом можно посмотреть сколько объектов находится в этой переменной: street.len
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[15:03:36] gf: ..Ватсон.
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[15:04:02] gf: у тебя будет примерно следующее:
[15:04:51] kwis: gf допустим мне на сайте надо вывести все теги и количество статей для каждого тега, знач я должен запустить цыкл по тегам и каждый раз дергать базу узнавая сколько статей в этом теге. Ты так считаешь?
[15:05:17] gf: count_tag = Tag.object.filter(tag_name="название тега")
[15:05:24] gf: count_tag.len
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[15:06:35] gf: kwis ты можешь обновление этой переменной засунуть в удобное место твоей логики..
[15:06:41] gf: :)
[15:06:55] kwis: gf, кажется начинает доходить
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[15:08:39] gf: kwis я не знаю насколько этот подход грузит базу и производителен, но он легок для понимания и отменно работает..
[15:09:09] gf: kwis если будут проблемы с производительностью сперва покрути настройки базы..
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[15:11:55] gf: kwis кстати, твой подход тоже имеет место быть.. только вот я не вижу ни одной причины переопределять метод save().. разве нельзя перед этим методом добавлять +1 к переменной count_tag?
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[15:15:19] kwis: gf, если не переопределять save для Post то куда его тогда сунуть?
[15:15:34] gf: kwis а перед save не?
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[15:15:47] kwis: гыыы
[15:15:51] kwis: gf, а это где?
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[15:15:58] kwis: как назыается функция?
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[15:16:24] gf: %)
[15:16:24] kwis: pre_save, не?
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[15:17:13] gf: ну ты формируешь объект (тег) для сохранения в базу, как ты это делаешь?
[15:18:04] gf: можешь и после save добавить к count_tag +1.. не критично.. :)
[15:18:32] kwis: gf, тогда когда я буду просто редактировать а не добавлять статью оно тоже будет плюсовать
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[15:18:37] gf: может я не правильно понимаю термин: переопределить?
[15:20:03] gf: kwis тогда напиши две функции: edit_post и create_post, и в create_post перед сохранением добавляй +1 в count_tag
[15:20:34] gf: kwis иди на балкон.. проветрись.. как раз дождик идет.. :)
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[15:21:43] kwis: обожди
[15:21:54] kwis: у нас есть модель
[15:22:10] kwis: я с этим всем работаю через админку
[15:23:09] kwis: переопределить метод save это вот что-то в этом роде http://dpaste.com/228489/
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[15:33:30] gf: kwis В админке можно добавить кнопки для сохранения объекта:

кнопка "сохранить редактирование"
def edit_post(self):
print self.tag_name

кнопка "создать пост"
def create_post(self):
count_tag += 1
print self.tag_name

Возможно это бред, ибо я подобного еще не делал, но на твоем месте я бы читал маны в этом направлении..
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[15:34:33] gf: че нароешь - пиши сюда.
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[15:40:36] kwis: gf, ну вообще-то в админке кнопки уже есть)))
[15:40:45] kwis: они там по умолчанию
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[15:43:49] gf: kwis тебе надо еще одну добавить: "сохранить редактирование", если ты будешь добавлять "count_tag += 1" в текущую кнопку (def save(self))
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[15:44:58] gf: и, если можно, одну из них скрывать..
[15:45:20] kwis: gf, это лишнее
[15:45:43] kwis: тут все знают как это делать и молчат
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[15:46:07] gf: ну можно сделать проверку, если такой пост уже есть, то count не добавляем..
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[15:46:52] gf: и будет бодро.. :)
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[16:07:02] slav0nic: битва джанго титанов ...
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[16:18:53] kwis: slav0nic, ну мож хоть ты что-нибуть подскажешь?
[16:18:54] slav0nic: https://www.cloudkick.com/viz/mozilla/ неабычна
[16:18:57] slav0nic: на тему?
[16:19:17] kwis: есть вот такие модели http://dpaste.com/228472/ Надо считать сколько в теге статей.
[16:19:44] slav0nic: ну по сигналу или в save
[16:19:52] kwis: как по сигналу?
[16:20:12] slav0nic: вешай сигнал на сейв Post модели
[16:20:14] kwis: slav0nic, если по сейву то надо будет определять был ли такой пост или он новый
[16:20:21] slav0nic: и смотришь какие там теги и плюсуешь
[16:20:29] slav0nic: и шо?
[16:20:30] slav0nic: сложно?
[16:20:34] kwis: да нет
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[16:20:35] slav0nic: if self.id:...
[16:20:36] kwis: уже написал
[16:20:51] kwis: тут еще одна беда
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[16:21:10] kwis: как взять те теги которые я только что выделил в админке?
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[16:22:29] kwis: говорю ему print self.post_tag он мне <django.db.models.fields.related.ManyRelatedManager object at 0x9e6c34c> я вообще без понятия что с ним делать
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[16:23:59] slav0nic: читать доку наверно
[16:24:37] kwis: ну плиииззз
[16:24:43] kwis: или хоть подскажи где это читать
[16:24:55] slav0nic: tips: all()
[16:25:11] slav0nic: ну http://www.djangoproject.com/documentation/models/many_to_many/ хотяб, а так офдоку
[16:25:41] kwis: slav0nic, спасибочки, заработало!!!
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[16:25:54] slav0nic: ниУЯсебе!
[16:25:57] slav0nic: не ожидал
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[16:27:04] kwis: только что-то оно работает помоему не совсем так как я надеялся)))
[16:27:50] slav0nic: ну ёб, ./manage.py shell
[16:28:01] slav0nic: или import pdb и вперёд
[16:28:04] slav0nic: постигать
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[16:32:25] kwis: ну при чем же тут manage.py если self.post_tag.all() это те теги которые уже есть в моделе а мне надо те теги, которые я только что выделил в админке
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[16:41:18] slav0nic: kwis, там должны быть те которые ты выбрал
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[16:43:35] slav0nic: есть ещё http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/ref/signals/#m2m-changed
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[16:45:35] kwis: slav0nic, http://dpaste.com/228521/
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[16:46:26] slav0nic: гавно какоита :\
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[16:46:34] slav0nic: if self.id
[16:46:37] slav0nic: сказал же
[16:46:45] slav0nic: а не жёсткий гавнакод палящий любовь к рнр)
[16:49:19] slav0nic: а ваще заюзай django-tagging и не парься
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[16:51:08] kwis: slav0nic, не хочу плагинов
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[16:51:34] slav0nic: копрофил чтоли)
[16:53:16] kwis: slav0nic, ну где-то рядом)))
[16:53:29] kwis: просто я уверен что моё будет работать быстрее
[16:53:34] kwis: и лучшее
[16:53:46] slav0nic: омг
[16:53:52] slav0nic: я бы задумался)
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[16:54:33] kwis: )))
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[16:55:46] slav0nic: taggit ещё есть
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[16:56:30] kwis: slav0nic, http://dpaste.com/228522/
[16:57:18] slav0nic: а супер в конце дёргать не?
[16:57:42] kwis: как???
[16:58:18] slav0nic: после ифов...
[17:00:34] kwis: slav0nic, дак зачем их дергать если оно спотыкается об print self.post_tag.all()
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[17:01:00] kwis: тоесть если обьект новый строчка print self.post_tag.all() вызывает ошибку
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[17:01:29] slav0nic: это уже 2й вопрос
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[17:01:39] kwis: а если такой обьект уже был оно показывает те теги которые в обьекте уже были а не которые я только что выделил
[17:04:15] slav0nic: мм, да таки м2м сейс не прокатит, сделай через through модель
[17:04:18] slav0nic: и в ней сейв
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[17:06:20] kwis: /me выясняет в джангодоке что такое through
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[17:07:00] nmk: джанга хуянга
[17:07:07] nmk: /me кстати тут zine под блог задеплоил
[17:07:23] slav0nic: он уже не обновляется хз скоки)
[17:07:29] slav0nic: kwis, а лучше сигнал глянь
[17:07:34] slav0nic: там думаю долно быть
[17:07:34] nmk: да 2 месяца вроде только всего
[17:08:16] kwis: slav0nic, я просто не шарю как работать с этими сигналами
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[17:08:31] slav0nic: тогда иди пей пиво
[17:08:47] kwis: неее
[17:08:51] kwis: я своего добьюсь
[17:09:08] slav0nic: nmk, да ну, вроде последняя версия в начале года была и всё
[17:09:13] nmk: kwis: прочитай доку и добейся :)
[17:09:29] nmk: slav0nic: ну на самом деле там внутри все довольно симпатично. визуально
[17:09:33] kwis: там как-то тупо написано шопесец
[17:09:35] nmk: исходники проглядел тоже вроде норм
[17:09:43] slav0nic: ну да
[17:09:46] nmk: kwis: пиздец. у джанги довольно хорошая документация.
[17:09:52] slav0nic: небось на flack перепишут потом
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[17:10:10] nmk: а flack -- ну его в жопу. он жинжу просит
[17:10:15] nmk: даже когда она мне не нужна
[17:10:20] slav0nic: kwis, если не читать туториалы...
[17:10:21] nmk: flask
[17:10:32] slav0nic: а в зайне чё?)
[17:10:42] slav0nic: она же
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[17:11:01] nmk: да werkzeug, jinja да еще что-то. я думаю из zine вырос потом flask
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[17:11:18] kwis: http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/ref/signals/ всего три строчки примеров...
[17:11:19] nmk: но не дело ж в flask.py писать from jinja2 ...
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[17:11:46] nmk: kwis: http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/topics/signals/
это уже прочитано? :)
[17:12:26] slav0nic: тебе и надо 3 строчки%)
[17:12:36] slav0nic: словиь объект который поменялся и сделать чё надо
[17:12:48] slav0nic: ловить сигнал изменения м2м
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[17:13:13] kwis: ща, обождите вникаю как оно работает
[17:13:48] slav0nic: шота на битбаскете кроме версий питона, джанги и хз ниуя не меняется)
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[17:14:09] nmk: да. там даже ртуть попахивает уже :)
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[17:27:18] kwis: та и все-таки, какая разница сигналы не сигналы, как я узнаю какие именно теги я выделил?
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[17:33:44] kwis: может действительно прикрутить и не парица
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[17:37:45] narada: как избавиться от этой капчи? замонала.
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[18:41:29] kwis: народ, случайно небыло такого что django-tagging в шаблонах не хочет выводить {{ tag.slug }}???
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[19:50:43] ksevelyar: добрый вечер
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[19:51:53] ksevelyar: вопрос не совсем по теме, а на чём можно сделать быстрый и желательно кроссплатформенный файловый менеджер?
[19:51:59] ksevelyar: с ++?
[19:52:29] gf: python?
[19:52:57] ksevelyar: я слышал он не очень быстрый, это не так?
[19:53:44] gf: думаю, что файловый менеджер тормозить не будет.. если на нем HD порно не просматривать..
[19:54:33] ksevelyar: время запуска тоже критично + я планирую вкладки и прочих гейш с блекджеком
[19:55:27] gf: http://www.krusader.org/ такое?
[19:56:00] ksevelyar: он на питоне?
[19:56:03] ksevelyar: и быстрый?
[19:56:11] ksevelyar: сам проверить не могу у меня линупс без иксов
[19:56:15] ksevelyar: :-(
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[19:57:25] gf: я не уверен, вроде да, на python
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[22:30:51] kwis is now online
[22:31:31] narada is now xa
[22:31:40] king.jura is now online
[22:32:09] evrial is now online
[22:32:22] erraen is now online
[22:34:45] btolfa is now away
[22:35:06] king.jura is now offline
[22:36:32] narada is now xa
[22:37:02] btolfa is now online
[22:37:09] evrial is now online
[22:37:10] evrial is now online
[22:37:22] erraen is now online
[22:41:31] narada is now xa
[22:42:09] evrial is now online
[22:42:10] evrial is now online
[22:42:22] erraen is now online
[22:46:31] narada is now xa
[22:47:09] evrial is now online
[22:47:10] evrial is now online
[22:47:22] erraen is now online
[22:51:31] narada is now xa
[22:52:09] evrial is now online
[22:52:10] evrial is now online
[22:52:22] erraen is now online
[22:56:31] narada is now xa
[22:57:09] evrial is now online
[22:57:22] erraen is now online
[22:58:56] remake is now offline
[23:01:31] narada is now xa
[23:02:09] evrial is now online
[23:02:22] erraen is now online
[23:06:14] nott is now online
[23:06:30] narada is now xa
[23:06:33] kwis is now offline
[23:07:09] evrial is now online
[23:07:10] evrial is now online
[23:07:22] erraen is now online
[23:09:43] nott is now offline
[23:11:31] narada is now xa
[23:12:09] evrial is now online
[23:12:22] erraen is now online
[23:15:56] nott is now online
[23:16:31] narada is now xa
[23:17:09] evrial is now online
[23:17:10] evrial is now online
[23:17:14] btolfa is now offline
[23:17:22] erraen is now online
[23:21:31] narada is now xa
[23:22:09] evrial is now online
[23:22:22] erraen is now online
[23:26:31] narada is now xa
[23:27:09] evrial is now online
[23:27:22] erraen is now online
[23:31:31] narada is now xa
[23:32:08] evrial is now online
[23:32:09] evrial is now online
[23:32:22] erraen is now online
[23:36:14] nott is now offline
[23:36:31] narada is now xa
[23:37:09] evrial is now online
[23:37:10] evrial is now online
[23:37:22] erraen is now online
[23:39:24] tex3d is now Да, я здесь.
[23:41:32] narada is now xa
[23:42:09] evrial is now online
[23:42:10] evrial is now online
[23:42:22] erraen is now online
[23:43:28] Sevenov is now online
[23:46:31] narada is now xa
[23:47:09] evrial is now online
[23:47:22] erraen is now online
[23:51:31] narada is now xa
[23:52:08] evrial is now online
[23:52:09] evrial is now online
[23:52:22] erraen is now online
[23:56:31] narada is now xa
[23:57:08] evrial is now online
[23:57:09] evrial is now online
[23:57:22] erraen is now online
[23:57:37] narada is now xa
[23:57:38] narada is now xa