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[00:19:34] gf: Sevenov мне казалось, что ты на Arch'e сидишь.. не?
[00:19:45] Sevenov: gf, ну.
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[00:20:39] gf: Sevenov тогда откуда: ставь винду, линуксоеды ссзб, неудачник, нищеброт..? :)
[00:20:56] zarg: gf, он троль
[00:20:57] zarg: тролик )
[00:21:12] Sevenov: gf, это значит, что я должен яростно фапать на линупсы, не выбирая инструменты для нужд?
[00:21:34] zarg: Sevenov, ради игры ставить винду
[00:21:39] zarg: это не серьезно
[00:21:48] gf: гг
[00:22:00] Sevenov: zarg, трахи в вайном - это серьезно, да.
[00:22:03] zarg: xa4a, спасибо — помогло
[00:22:14] zarg: Sevenov, тоже не серьезно
[00:22:19] gf: я винду держу только ради автокада, и запускаю ее в виртуалБоксе
[00:22:25] zarg: серьезно положить болт на неё и не вестись на провокации
[00:22:38] zarg: gf, старик не пойдет в винде из под коробки *(
[00:22:43] Sevenov: zarg, как разумно.
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[00:23:54] gf: zarg: мне проще.. если уж надо будет нативную винду, то у жены ноут возьму.. :)
[00:24:07] zarg: эх (
[00:24:36] gf: а старик то да, старик рулит.. было бы лет 20, то обязательно бы погамался.. :)
[00:24:59] zarg: а тебе сколько?
[00:25:00] Sevenov: не, старкрафт2 что-то совсем не то.
[00:25:29] gf: ну я уже стар.. суперстар.. :)
[00:25:53] gf: здесь ктонить gis-технологии юзает?
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[00:40:38] gf: гг
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[00:46:50] slav0nic: gf, mishok13 вроде очень даже юзает
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[00:52:51] gf: mishok13 есть проблема: надо локальные координаты перевести в wgs84, есть шесть точек привязки, типа: (5225775, 4368532)=(57.18190, 65.34963). Собсно надо сконвертировать первые во вторые.. все бы просто, но проблема усложняется тем, что коэффициенты по х и у разные..
[00:54:45] gf: коэффициенты я вычислил, но как их учесть при конвертации ума не приложу..
[00:57:28] ds.tihonov: хм... где-то забыта запятая
[00:57:44] ds.tihonov: зачем тебе ум конвертировать?
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[01:05:44] gf: ds.tihonov ты про запятую в локальных координатах?
[01:06:13] gf: а, ну да: как их учесть при конвертации, ума не приложу
[01:06:28] gf: :)
[01:06:52] ds.tihonov: gf: а ты чего там решаешь?
[01:06:59] gf: конвертировать нельзя оставить
[01:07:09] ds.tihonov: gf: раскажи, а то жуть как интересно
[01:07:16] gf: запятые расставьте сами.. :)
[01:08:32] gf: ds.tihonov рассказывать откровенно - нельзя, посадят. а врать я не хочу..
[01:08:38] gf: :)
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[01:19:09] zarg: а никто не думал сделать свой язык?
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[01:28:50] gf: zarg: а зачем?
[01:29:31] zarg: ну я вижу две причины для себя
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[01:29:45] zarg: первое попрактиковаться
[01:29:49] zarg: второе сделать под себя
[01:31:06] gf: zarg: чтоб получилось хорощо, надо быть хитрее чем Россум и сволочнее Торвальдса..
[01:32:12] gf: блин, у кого есть знания по высшей математики?
[01:32:27] gf: чую, что мне этот орех не по зубам..
[01:32:54] gf: я имею в виду крепкие знания..
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[05:16:36] Tony: Есть кто с ajax спецы дохуя?
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[05:16:59] Sevenov: Дохуя. Каждый первый - спец аякс, лол.
[05:17:08] Sevenov: аякс - это дохуя сложная штука.
[05:17:27] Tony: ну хз. я таковым себя не считаю. в основном спецы по ajax это пользователи jquery :)
[05:17:39] Sevenov: так чо надо-то?
[05:17:52] Sevenov: >Хочешь задать вопрос - просто *задай* его!
кагбэ топик.
[05:18:03] Tony: да видел. секунду...
[05:20:35] Tony: вопрос немного странный. есть ajax запрос через который подгружается html, и впихивается внутри страницы. в теле этого html который приходит по ajax есть код на javascript, суть в том что надо исполнить этот код на тот момент когда подгрузился этот html и вставился в тело основной страницы. сделать коллбэк onLoad внутри основной страницы прям совсем никак. ибо код основывается на серверных данных из самой страницы. была мысль сделать функцию внутри этого html и на onLoad выполнять эту функцию, опять же уперся в то что этих кусков из html будет немало, по этому имя этой функции либо надо делать динамической либо еще что-то. сейчас сижу и думаю что велосипедирую, ведь наверняка есть какой-то человеческий подход...
[05:22:03] Tony: как гугл спросить даже хуй знает...
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[05:24:08] Sevenov: Фреймворки юзаешь?
[05:24:13] Tony: jquery
[05:24:50] Sevenov: ну так в чем тогда проблема-то? $.get(...., function(){ //onload callback });
[05:24:52] Sevenov: как-то так
[05:24:56] Sevenov: жиквери не помню
[05:25:04] Sevenov: или я не понял? ))
[05:25:19] Tony: ну это понятно. только вот onload callback это функция которая определена в теле html который загружен через ajax?
[05:26:01] Sevenov: Такое делать _неправильно_.
[05:26:09] Sevenov: Чота у тебя с архитектурой какой-то косяк.
[05:26:14] Sevenov: Не стоит так делать.
[05:26:21] Tony: возможно. я мало с клиент-сайд работал
[05:26:33] Sevenov: Tony, тогда расскажи в чем задача?
[05:27:01] Tony: муторно слишком...
[05:27:16] Sevenov: Хм.
[05:27:19] Sevenov: Ну ок.
[05:27:20] Tony: ладно. спасибо. я щас сам подумаю как по-другому можно сделать.
[05:27:54] Sevenov: Tony, есть хороший способ - выпиливаешь код и начинаешь делать с нуля, стараясь использовать другие методы.
[05:28:05] Sevenov: думай как математик, чо.
[05:28:10] Tony: да про это вкурсе. не канает.
[05:28:16] Tony: проект не снуля.
[05:28:33] Sevenov: Не проект, а конкретно этот кусок.
[05:29:08] Tony: вообще сложно понимаю как сделать скажем 10 попапов с профайлами юзеров в которых несколько кнопок. повидение кнопок завязано на данные на серверной стороне.
[05:29:34] Sevenov: Tony, ээээ. id юзера.
[05:30:00] Tony: эм. что id юзера?
[05:30:43] Sevenov: Эммммм, /me просто не видит никакой проблемы.
[05:31:06] Sevenov: new User(user_id).popup_show();
[05:31:07] Sevenov: :3
[05:31:18] Tony: не. это понятно все.
[05:31:55] Tony: скажем есть админ, обычный, забаненный. обычному и админу можно отправить сообщение, и в попапе надо показывать кнопку отправить сообщение, забаненному нельзя...
[05:33:00] Tony: пиздец мозг клеится. как же я нелюблю интерфейсы...
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[07:02:40] gf: импортирую модуль rpy2.robject, пишу:
>>> x = robjects.FloatVector([83.786,109.929,1038.000,539.107,831.036,632.786])
>>> y = robjects.FloatVector([-36.107,-582.929,-434.786,-694.036,-352.000,-219.107])
>>> x2 = robjects.FloatVector([557124.596,564344.898,646174.994,603772.500, 626857.5, 607905.000])
>>> y2 = robjects.FloatVector([5479746.857,5376737.207,5421503.083,5363472.000,5433468.000,5455042.500])
>>>
>>> mat = r.matrix( robjects.FloatVector([1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, x, y, x^2, x*y, y^2]), nrow = 6, ncol = 6)
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TypeError Traceback (most recent call last)
/home/gf/workspace/alliance_taxi/web/<ipython console> in <module>()
TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for ^: 'FloatVector' and 'int'

как обойти эту ошибку?
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[07:08:25] gf: а, ну и "**" тоже выдает ошибку:
>>> mat = r.matrix( robjects.FloatVector([1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, x, y, x**2, x*y, y**2]), nrow = 6, ncol = 6)
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TypeError Traceback (most recent call last)
/home/gf/workspace/alliance_taxi/web/<ipython console> in <module>()
TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for ** or pow(): 'FloatVector' and 'int'

и "*" тоже:
>>> mat = r.matrix( robjects.FloatVector([1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, x, y, x*x, x*y, y*y]), nrow = 6, ncol = 6)
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TypeError Traceback (most recent call last)

/home/gf/workspace/alliance_taxi/web/<ipython console> in <module>()

TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for *: 'FloatVector' and 'FloatVector'
[07:11:16] _lorien: пипец, gf юзай pastebin какой-нить
[07:11:27] gf: ок.. сорри..
[07:11:31] gf: забыл..
[07:12:12] _lorien: а если так y * y :)
[07:12:16] _lorien: заместо ^2
[07:12:33] gf: _lorien см. последний трейс..
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[07:12:46] _lorien: а, точно
[07:13:11] _lorien: ну может у FloatVector есть методы специальный для умножения на другой
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[08:04:35] maxp: а подскажите, в Джанго работает {% include "base/dir/"+name+".html" %} ?
[08:07:07] _lorien: maxp, возьми да проверь
[08:07:41] maxp: согласен
[08:07:50] maxp: вопрос сформулирован неправильно
[08:08:09] maxp: правильно звучит так
[08:08:26] maxp: "как в этой долбаной джанге сделать такую тривиальную вещь"
[08:08:51] _lorien: :D
[08:08:54] maxp: это ж придётся resultset во вьюхе пергонять...
[08:09:13] maxp: точнее в джанге сделать это тривиально
[08:09:21] maxp: вот как это сделать прямо в темплейте
[08:10:06] _lorien: мне кажется, нельзя сделать. Подготавливай полный путь внутри вьюшки
[08:10:46] _lorien: а может так сработает, но не уверен {% include name|my_super_filter %}
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[08:11:15] maxp: у меня есть дурная привычка - я читаю доку, смотрю что там написано
[08:11:35] maxp: и те способы, которые там не указаны считаю грязными хаками :)
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[08:11:52] maxp: но так-то действительно
[08:12:07] maxp: если они не предусматривали evaluation выражения в инклюде,
[08:12:16] maxp: то там всякие фокусы не должны работать
[08:12:44] _lorien: аа, include, я спутал с extends, про инклюд я ваще не помню, понимает ли он переменные )
[08:13:09] _lorien: судя по доке понимает
[08:13:26] maxp: переменную понимает
[08:13:31] maxp: экспрешен - нет
[08:14:09] _lorien: можешь так сделать:
{% with name|build_template_path as path %}
{% include path %}
{% endwith %}
тока придётся простенький фильтр дописать
[08:14:52] maxp: видимо просто пробегусь по резалтсету
[08:15:00] _lorien: или вариант для извращенцев:
{% with "base/dir/"|join:name as var1 %}{% with var1|join:".html" as var2 %}{% include var2 %}{%endwith %}{% endwith %}
%)
[08:15:03] maxp: он и так уже подгружен в виде list()
[08:15:16] maxp: обля!
[08:15:19] maxp: вариант
[08:15:34] maxp: а with точно так работает?
[08:15:46] _lorien: правда оно тока в django 1.2 наверное будет работать, не уверен, что django1.1 умела складывать строки в join
[08:15:55] _lorien: ну вроде так, проверь :)
[08:15:56] maxp: у меня 1.2
[08:16:35] _lorien: тьфу
[08:16:42] _lorien: там не join, а add должно быть!
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[08:18:18] maxp: интересно, а есть какой-нибудь способ скормить в шаблоне переменную, например, функции?
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[08:20:22] wiz: а что, в extra_context никак не просунуть?
[08:21:51] _lorien: maxp, нету... только если template tag напишешь
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[08:34:35] maxp: а вот такая фигня-таки рабтает
[08:34:37] maxp: {% with "search/li-"|add:r.type|add:".html" as tpl %}{% include tpl %}{% endwith %}
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[08:52:32] _lorien: аа, точно, можно ж цепочку делать фильтров, забыл :)
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[10:10:51] wiz: как-нибудь можно у емакса открутить создание пустых .#filename ?
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[10:12:58] bobry: wiz, make-backup-files nil
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[10:13:09] bobry: они конечно будут создаваться, но по сейву должны удаляться
[10:14:06] wiz: так это не бэкапы
[10:14:11] wiz: бэкапы это filename~
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[10:14:15] wiz: а это локи походу
[10:14:22] wiz: но они суки не удаляются
[10:14:28] bobry: хм, чета я путаю
[10:14:31] bobry: у меня кстати удаляются
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[10:52:10] wiz: на канале мморпг про питон, на канале линукса про питон.. и только на канале питона тихо (=
[10:52:38] slav0nic: давайте про мморпг и линукс
[10:52:51] slav0nic: а только на канале про питон все работают)
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[10:53:04] wiz: /me квитнул мморпг и поставил вин 7 ):
[10:53:48] slav0nic: я тож поставил эту гадость( ради sc2 и tf2
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[10:54:18] Ганж: sc2 божественно) как и первая)
[10:54:20] wiz: мне хватило sc2 (:
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[10:57:23] deepwalker: /me и на linux вопрет, как обычно
[10:57:35] deepwalker: когда время появится
[10:57:56] wiz: sc2 собственно идёт под винищем
[10:57:58] cutwater: о sc2 :)
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[10:58:16] wiz: в бету народ играл, потом я уже перестал следить
[10:58:44] cutwater: ми не разу не любитель гам. но sc2 божественно. я подтверждаю
[10:58:57] cutwater: deepwalker: пыщь надо обсудить вопрос
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[11:15:28] slav0nic: хз что там под вайном, но под виндой видяху греет норм
[11:15:32] slav0nic: под вайном гемор
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[11:26:34] deepwalker: да ну старкрафт вроде не особый
[11:26:45] deepwalker: вот GTA IV это было муторно
[11:27:20] deepwalker: только без патчилок и отучения от nocd и тп
[11:27:31] deepwalker: не работает, так что в любом случае я преступная личность : )
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[11:33:06] Ганж: мафия2 вроде в конце августа выйдет
[11:33:53] cutwater: /me только большой поклонник Mass Effect
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[11:34:56] deepwalker: а хто такой mass effect?
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[11:38:22] cutwater: deepwalker: ну это такой шутер с элементами RPG
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[11:48:12] maxp: а кто знает, как за один проход заменить в строке только нужные символы, а остальные выкинуть?
[11:48:16] maxp: пример
[11:48:30] maxp: есть словарь { 'a':'1','b':'2'}
[11:48:52] maxp: из строки 'abcab' надо получить '1212'
[11:49:19] nott: регэксп вестимо
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[11:49:36] maxp: словарь выше видно?
[11:49:52] maxp: т.е. надо заменить некоторые символы на другие
[11:49:54] nott: это был лаг
[11:49:56] nott: сорри
[11:50:04] maxp: а тех, которых нет в словаре просто выкинуть
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[11:51:05] maxp: что-то типа translate
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[11:52:46] maxp: где-то так
[11:52:47] maxp: "".join( [for c in map( lamdba c: _TRANS_DICT.get(c), s ) if c] )
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[11:54:55] maxp: т.е. хочется оставить один dictonary lookup
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[11:57:05] maxp: и если лукап успешен, то добавить символ в результат
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[11:59:44] cutwater: maxp: http://codepad.org/WnriVQmI
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[12:00:46] maxp: тоже вариант
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[12:01:07] nott: хм... а я думал, он не подходит по умолчанию.
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[12:01:29] maxp: что по умолчанию?
[12:02:08] nott: один dictionary lookup - меня смутила эта фраза
[12:02:28] maxp: ну он и тут и тут один
[12:02:42] maxp: .get() один
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[12:04:28] maxp: что-то в итертулзах было подобное...
[12:05:47] maxp: однако с Clojure перепутал :)
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[12:17:32] deepwalker: как из HTTP хедеров определить язык клиента?
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[12:18:04] deepwalker: смотрю что пришло - вроде же были какие-то, а не вижу их
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[12:19:37] deepwalker: Accept-Language
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[12:23:14] deepwalker: так, а теперь - чем это распарсить? en-US,en;q=0.8,ru;q=0.6
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[12:27:16] nmk: бля. вчера час на айподе играл в игру mega jump. тупорылая, шо писец. но затягивает :)
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[12:30:31] deepwalker: предлагаешь такой выход?
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[12:31:30] nmk: да это я отвелченно.
[12:31:35] nmk: выход тебе взять из джинги парсилку и вставить
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[12:31:43] nmk: хочешь даже скажу где брать? :)
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[12:35:58] nmk: deepwalker: parse_accept_lang_header из django.utils.translation.trans_real
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[12:42:39] deepwalker: ага
[12:42:39] creitve: всем дня
[12:42:57] deepwalker: то есть добра не пожелаешь?
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[12:43:07] deepwalker: ну ну, я записал
[12:43:18] creitve: скажите, для парса html используется тоже xml.dom?
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[12:45:49] bobry: !g parse html python
[12:46:05] bobry: ого, гугл знает ответ, ну надо же!
[12:46:08] bobry: учись, creitve
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[12:46:25] creitve: я гуглю уже около часа
[12:46:34] bobry: и?
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[12:46:40] creitve: это не то что нужно, ну ладно, спасибо
[12:46:48] bobry: beautiful soup
[12:46:50] bobry: lxml.html
[12:46:53] bobry: html5lib
[12:46:59] bobry: тоже не гуглится? или тоже не то что нужно?
[12:47:20] bobry: xml.dom может выдать ошибку на not well formed html, коего в интернетах валом
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[12:47:45] creitve: понял, спасибо.
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[12:49:41] bobry: np
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[13:09:04] deepwalker: у werkzeug-a кстати есть все что нужно, как выяснилось
[13:09:14] deepwalker: он сам парсит
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[13:32:41] nmk: deepwalker: я для werkzeugа дописал в contrib.cache редис, но блин. редис не умеет setnx и expire, поэтому не отправляю патч ему..
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[13:33:19] nmk: изначально то мне надо было redis к zine прикрутить. а в zine все из contrib.cache берется
[13:34:55] огыешсук: как это редис не умеет expire?
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[13:35:28] nmk: он умеет. но если потом ты сделаешь setnx, или там push в лист, то старое значение затрется
[13:35:56] огыешсук: Да, беда. Надо после ещё раз экспайрить.
[13:36:13] nmk: и че будет?
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[13:36:33] nmk: в случае с setnx он не отработает как должен
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[13:36:45] огыешсук: а что автор говорит?
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[13:37:55] nmk: да у меня туго с инглишем, я так и не понял, да особо и не разбирался. говорит, что пофиксить не может это. что-то с репликацией, с append log file. данные вроде разные могут быть на мастере и реплеке
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[14:50:01] _lorien: офигеть, пытался с svn скачать запароленного, после ввода пароля какой-то kwallet kde-шный вылез
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[14:50:33] nmk: ну норм, чо
[14:50:42] nmk: а я вот глянул в auth.log и fail2ban поставил.
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[15:30:58] xa4a: хм
[15:31:09] xa4a: тут уже вербовали писать на питоне/житоне в США?
[15:31:24] mishok13: кто посмел?
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[15:32:30] xa4a: какие-то баннерокрутилки в облаках, что ли
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[15:33:21] mishok13: хы лол
[15:34:30] nmk: баннерокрутилка в облаках.. эх
[15:34:33] nmk: прикольно звучит.
[15:34:37] xa4a: просят кого-то рекомендовать
[15:34:52] xa4a: но тут же США никого не интересует, да?
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[15:35:55] xa4a: трактор конфликтует с учёбой..
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[15:36:19] Ганж: там негрилы :-)
[15:36:24] Ганж: и латиносы))
[15:36:39] mishok13: почему США никого не интересует?
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[15:39:07] xa4a: ну если интересует кого-то - пишите
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[15:39:38] xa4a: (не гарантирую, что не отберут паспорт и не вырежут органы, кстати. все они так, облаками с баннерками завлекают)
[15:39:48] mishok13: /me завёл трактор
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[15:51:49] rud.vadim: Доброго времени суток!
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[15:52:40] cutwater: утро
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[15:54:04] rud.vadim: кто-то пользовалься mssql 2008 с пайтоном под линукс?всмысле подключиться нужно на до мускуля на другой машине
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[15:54:59] rud.vadim: на маст дайке 7 подключаеться
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[15:55:19] xa4a: мускуль
[15:55:23] xa4a: mssql?
[15:56:04] rud.vadim: на линуксе(арче) выдает ошибко Connection to the database failed for an unknown reason.
[15:56:15] rud.vadim: именно mssql
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[15:56:22] rud.vadim: дорогой
[15:56:46] razum2um: аналогичный вопрос про mssql 2005. pyodbc ничего не может про updat`ить
[15:57:23] rud.vadim: у мну pymssql
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[15:57:33] razum2um: хотя cursor пишет что N rows affected
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[15:57:50] razum2um: так. она на 05 годится?
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[15:58:07] rud.vadim: http://code.google.com/p/pymssql/wiki/Platforms
[15:58:42] rud.vadim: значит задам на форуме вопрос
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[15:59:54] razum2um: ну вобщем радует. я pyodbc поднимать хотел с django, но оно грит segfault так на rawsql и остался
[16:00:58] razum2um: о. вижу что оно от odbc независимо
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[16:02:54] razum2um: http://code.djangoproject.com/ticket/5062
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[16:03:08] razum2um: во смотрите отсылают на pyodbc
[16:03:40] razum2um: но у меня оно не апдейтит не пишет вообще, где мб проблема?
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[16:04:45] razum2um: короче сейчас могу сделать __только__ select в raw sql
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[16:05:12] razum2um: (коннекчусь под админом)
[16:05:30] nott: razum2um спрошу на всякий случай: про коммиты не забываешь?
[16:05:55] razum2um: не забываю. и пишет что affected и ошибок update нет
[16:06:03] razum2um: и база не тронута
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[16:06:38] rud.vadim: http://python.su/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=54409 - вот наваял
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[16:09:51] razum2um: не. смотрите. тикет про pymssql закрыли ибо pyodbc но там 2008 год, как щас pymssql сильно убежал и если оно в корне другое, реально ли воскресить backend?
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[16:12:27] razum2um: nott: млин я даж после каждого апдейта делаю вместо транз. и оно соответственно подтормаживает. эффекта нет
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[16:15:19] razum2um: да кстати, langdriver может влиять? на базе он pdox cyrillic
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[16:16:12] razum2um: вспомнил, что я принудительно сделал encode в cp1251 и ЗАПИСАЛАСЬ ... конечно абракадабра
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[16:16:33] razum2um: utf-8 - картина выше (маслом, да)
[16:16:42] razum2um: кто нить подскажет?
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[16:31:25] razum2um: http://python.su/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=54410 тож наваял топик
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[17:05:08] _lorien: Кто-нить знает короткий анекдот?
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[17:06:17] nmk: Два гея занимаются сексом.
Один стонет
-Больно!..
Другой ему
-Терпи,ты же мужчина!
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[17:07:24] rud.vadim: :)
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[17:07:53] rud.vadim: короткий тост: Встретимся под столом!!!
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[17:08:50] nmk: только это, _lorien зачем тебе? :)
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[17:10:06] rud.vadim: это закажчик и программист
[17:10:45] rud.vadim: токо они очень часто онанизьмом занимаються - простите прорвалось
[17:11:06] bobry: не понял юмора чета
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[17:15:39] _lorien: ну хочу анек послать по смс, адлинные долго набивать
[17:15:58] nmk: ну про колобка пошли, два слова же всего
[17:16:09] _lorien: да это тупо )
[17:16:16] bobry: :D
[17:16:43] _lorien: я вот такой послал: Бабушка, а ты сама пришла? Сама, внучек, сама. А мама сказала, что тебя черти принесли.
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[17:19:20] bobry: чета не очень
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[17:20:22] _lorien: :(
[17:20:35] _lorien: ну да, да чё-то не нашёл хороших
[17:20:41] _lorien: коротких )
[17:20:48] nmk: - Доктор, я умру?
- Ну что Вы, голубчик, нас за это ругают.
[17:20:54] _lorien: А такой? Бабушка, у вас картошка на посадку? Нет, блять, на взлёт.
[17:21:10] nmk: на любителя
[17:21:13] nmk: мне нравицццццца
[17:21:29] _lorien: Чё-то про умру не оч, а про геев интересно, наверное пошлю его :D
[17:22:26] nmk: ну а вот.
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[17:22:28] nmk: - Света, а давай я твой портфель понесу!
- Да он не тяжелый.
- А я и не сильный!
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[17:22:42] _lorien: ну ничо так :)
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[17:23:54] rud.vadim: о mssql'e
[17:24:07] rud.vadim: надо было FreeTDS переставить
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[17:24:40] nmk: _lorien: вот еще старый, по мне так хороший
- Девушка, а девушка, у вас груди есть?
- Есть.
- А почему вы их не носите?
[17:24:41] rud.vadim: дортор а чтоу меня здесь? АААА! а что у вас там!!!
[17:25:07] rud.vadim: *доктор
[17:25:43] _lorien: Поручик, что вы ищите у меня на спине?? Груди, мадам. Так они же спереди. Там я уже искал.
[17:25:53] nmk: да. гуд.
[17:25:53] bobry: :D
[17:25:59] bobry: но шовинистский такой
[17:26:10] nmk: _lorien: тебе кому посылать то его?
[17:26:58] _lorien: девочке
[17:27:11] _lorien: я короче ничо не послал, забраковал всё :)
[17:27:13] nmk: ну тогда не надо это слать :)
[17:27:25] _lorien: Поручик на светском рауте разговаривает с дамой. Внезапно
встает и, извиняясь, выходит во дров. Возвращается весь мокрый.
- Что, дождь? - спрашивает дама.
- Нет, ветер!
:))
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[17:27:32] _lorien: нашёл только что :)
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[17:27:46] rud.vadim: уменя к вам, пациент, 2 новости: хорошая - что эту болезнь назвут вашим именем.
[17:27:46] nmk: свежак совсем :)
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[17:30:27] _lorien: даже не знаю, где анеки брать, я пробовал сайты читать - большинство анеков тупые и жутко пошлые
[17:31:00] nmk: пошли лучше что-нибудь другое :)
[17:31:39] _lorien: я тут про вини и пятачка читал - пипец - там такое мясо :) злыеее
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[17:32:06] _lorien: типа. Идут хмурый вини и пятачок по лесу. Пятачок: винни, а куда мы идём?
- свинью бить!
- а если она убежит?
- я ттебе убегу!
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[17:37:54] _lorien: Hаташе Ростовой девятнадцать. В темную комнату входит
именинница с пирогом, на котором горят только восемнадцать свеч.
- Гусары,- обращается она к присутствующим, - на пироге не нашлось
места для одной свечки, куда мне ее деть?
- Господа, ни слова о пи#де!- раздается голос Поручика Ржевского
:)))
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[17:39:07] _lorien: ой не могу ))
[17:39:10] _lorien: тут ещё один ))
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[17:39:35] _lorien: только я не знаю, стоит ли конфу засорять :D
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[17:47:01] deepwalker: _lorien, давай : )
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[17:48:14] _lorien: Поручик и Наташа плывут в лодке. Поручик, сидящий на веслах
спросил:
- Наташа! Вас никогда не били веслом по яйцам?
- Нет, а что?
- Да нет, ничего, это я так, чтобы разговор поддержать.

вот :D
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[18:11:39] razum2um: rud.vadim: про mssql так какая версия в итоге пошла?
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[20:02:10] pina: привет
подскажите пжста
есть ли у питона таймаут на закрытие файла?
т.е. простой пример
открываем файл на запись и ждем часа три
и потом пытаемся записать? получиться ли записать?
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[20:18:14] gigimon: подскажите по BS, есть таблица, в ней куча:
<tr><td class="tdrow3"><a href="?r=servers&amp;d=modify_phys&amp;id=262"><b>Text1</b></a>()</td><td class="tdrow3">TEXT2</td><td class="tdrow3">TEXT3</td><td class="tdrow3"><a href="/url">TEXT4</a></td><td class="tdrow3">Cервер</td></tr>
TEXT у всех разный, н оу некоторых TEXT4 одинаковый, как мне по нему найти все объекты tr? кроме как найти через finAll('td',text=text4).parent.parent ?
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[20:34:46] steelval: вечер добрый. кто может подсказать либу для чтения *.xlsx
[20:35:35] razum2um: unzip
[20:35:45] gigimon: steelval: http://ericgazoni.wordpress.com/2010/04/10/openpyxl-python-xlsx/
[20:35:49] gigimon: steelval: гугл на что?
[20:36:35] steelval: блуждать не охота, что-то адекватное типа xlrd ищу
[20:36:42] steelval: спасибо
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[21:22:18] creitve: добрый вечер. скажите, если я пишу кросс-платформенное GUI-приложение, что лучше использовать? можно отдельно для каждой платформы GUI, можно чтот вроде PyQt
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[21:23:42] cutwater: товарищи помогите придумать / взять откуда задачи простые порешать девочке на питоне?
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[21:26:48] Tony: ты девочка?
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[21:27:05] cutwater: Tony: охренеть выводы у вас сударь.
[21:27:16] cutwater: нет, тут просто немного консультирую одно чудо
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[21:27:24] creitve: ага под арчем девочка сидит)
[21:27:29] cutwater: фантазия после рабочего дня не работает, где бы взять задачки да
[21:27:47] creitve: на python.su есть раздел для новичков
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[21:27:58] creitve: поищи там
[21:28:09] cutwater: ок
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[21:28:24] creitve: http://python.su/forum/viewforum.php?id=29
[21:28:38] cutwater: спасибо, уже там :)
[21:29:47] bobry: cutwater, http://programmingpraxis.com http://projecteuler.com
[21:29:57] cutwater: гратс
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[21:30:35] cutwater: только projecteuler.net ^)
[21:30:52] bobry: тьфу ты
[21:30:59] bobry: путаю все время :)
[21:31:11] creitve: bobry спасиб, тоже попробую
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[21:34:26] nott: cutwater http://code.google.com/edu/languages/google-python-class/
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[22:16:55] xa4a: чо-то столько питон-вакансий развелось
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[22:20:32] Tony: сезон
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[22:21:28] creitve: а питонисту сложно найти работу?
[22:21:35] creitve: фриланс в смысле, не постоянную
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[22:24:31] bobry: xa4a, иде?
[22:24:44] bobry: creitve, не очень
[22:24:57] xa4a: bobry: в основном, в привате, линкедине и почте
[22:25:03] xa4a: но и в инете достаточно
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[22:25:19] xa4a: creitve: нет. на крайняк - одеск
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[22:25:23] bobry: а, я тут планирую че нить в rl найти, для разнообразия. в прошлом году в питере сложно было с питоном.
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[22:26:37] creitve: я не понял слов приват(или это в обычном значении?), линкедин, одеск
[22:26:55] creitve: линкедин нашел
[22:27:05] xa4a: creitve: приват - почти то же, что и почта. linkedin.com odesk.com
[22:27:38] creitve: а, в общем не на сайтах, а в приватах чата?
[22:27:47] creitve: понял
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[22:28:09] creitve: большое спасибо
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[22:42:56] creitve: парни, а вот такой пример
[22:43:14] creitve: нужна софтина с gui для винды, линуха и мака
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[22:43:21] creitve: что вы будете использовать?
[22:43:33] creitve: просто гугл выплёвывает столько вариантов что уже голова кругом
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[22:44:13] xa4a: pyqt, чем не подходит?
[22:44:17] xa4a: или tk
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[22:45:19] creitve: хм
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[22:45:34] creitve: а понял, tk - это общее название значит
[22:46:05] creitve: всё нашёл
[22:46:15] creitve: а чем pyqt лучше tk?
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[22:46:57] creitve: хотя это уже выгуглю. благодарю.
[22:47:16] xa4a: tk уродлив в дефотных темах
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[22:47:37] xa4a: а qt - это не только gui, а здоровый фреймворк
[22:47:51] xa4a: и вообще, он, вроде, более функциональный
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[22:52:24] creitve: спасибо!
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[23:13:10] gf: а wx почему не упоминаете?
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[23:14:33] deepwalker: gf, потому что рядом с qt он не стоит упоминания?
[23:15:00] gf: не знаю.. поэтому и спрашиваю..
[23:15:02] deepwalker: шучу, я просто давний KDE-шник : )
[23:15:10] gf: )
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[23:15:28] deepwalker: мне qt близок, но он не питоничен
[23:15:38] deepwalker: то есть биндинги не сильно питоничны
[23:16:48] deepwalker: с другой стороны он и так неплох, а питоник его сделать это уже так, придирки : )
[23:16:50] gf: deepwalker когда я рассматривал этот вопрос, то пришел к выводу, что wx рулит из-за родной для ОСи темы оформления..
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[23:22:24] creitve: ну насколько я видел, у PyQt тоже возможна родная тема оформления
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[23:25:20] bobry: ну в виндовз будет родная например
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[23:25:29] bobry: а в gnome какая там родная то :)
[23:27:05] creitve: GTK
[23:27:10] creitve: )
[23:27:20] bobry: ну да, в смысле как qt то ее изобразит
[23:27:24] creitve: ну ладно, вам виднее
[23:27:43] bobry: я только на pyqt писал) поэтому у меня односторонний взгляд
[23:27:49] bobry: ну на pygtk совсем чуть чуть
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[23:28:23] creitve: но я так понимаю PyQt предназначена в основном просто чтобы в Qt заменить c++ на python
[23:28:39] creitve: она не родная для питона же
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[23:29:01] creitve: как deepwalker сказал бинды не питоничны
[23:29:19] bobry: ну дык а gtk шо — родная думаешь?)
[23:29:52] creitve: ну для меня линух - это ubuntu и, соответственно, gnome
[23:30:05] bobry: у меня pyqt оставил приятное впечатление. конечно много там всяких неровностей для питонерского мозга
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[23:30:14] bobry: но в целом, терпимо
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[23:30:36] bobry: типы там их угнетают, QVariant.toEverything()
[23:31:01] creitve: просто мне хочется софтину сделать со своим скином
[23:31:22] creitve: что-то среднее между mac-like и adobe air-like
[23:31:25] bobry: возможно в qt (разумеется)
[23:31:47] creitve: мм, хорошо, спасибо!
[23:31:58] bobry: почему в качестве примера только im всплывают
[23:32:07] bobry: видел скины в qutim и в psi+
[23:32:41] creitve: м, ну я имел в виду просто оформление, скин не меняется
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[23:33:10] creitve: просто меня угнетает виндовое оформление
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[23:33:32] bobry: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/647530/does-qt-4-5-have-any-skins
[23:33:40] creitve: ибо я с этой осени еще потихоьку и дизайнером становится буду)
[23:33:45] creitve: о спасб
[23:33:48] bobry: ну вот и поменяешь :)
[23:33:51] bobry: там почти css
[23:34:05] bobry: ладно, всем гут найт
[23:34:09] creitve: ооо
[23:34:11] creitve: css
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[23:36:06] deepwalker: creitve, бери Qt
[23:36:14] deepwalker: мало ли что он непитоничен
[23:36:23] deepwalker: зато он сделан единообразно
[23:36:25] creitve: да, уже решил
[23:36:32] deepwalker: и имеет фишки очень приятные
[23:36:40] creitve: спасибо вам огромное) например?
[23:36:47] deepwalker: ну тот же css
[23:37:40] deepwalker: у меня товарищ по работе помню парился, нужно было ему формулу порисовать, символ вниз сдвинуть
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[23:38:01] deepwalker: в qt он это сделал на раз два - тупо как в html
[23:38:10] deepwalker: тег и все дела
[23:38:19] creitve: да, я уж думал для красивого оформления придется писать оболочку с webkit и там интерфейс на html)
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[23:38:20] deepwalker: а вот в .net даже и не упомню
[23:38:51] deepwalker: по моему в .net надо было бы свою label писать
[23:38:54] creitve: ну отлично, разберусь как настроить environment под убунту
[23:38:57] deepwalker: с блек джеком
[23:39:27] creitve: я в .net ничего не понимаю)
[23:39:40] deepwalker: я тоже
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[23:40:12] deepwalker: да и он с тех пор поди развился
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[23:40:23] deepwalker: хотя не факт
[23:40:54] creitve: я просто неприемлю технологии microsoft) уже пытался себя образумить, но это видимо врожденно
[23:41:58] deepwalker: я вот думаю пора переходить на неприемлимость технологий других компаний :)
[23:42:15] deepwalker: есть же такой простор - Apple, зло Google
[23:42:22] deepwalker: Oracle это ух прфм
[23:42:32] deepwalker: java зажали : )
[23:42:40] deepwalker: java теперь тоже зло
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[23:43:41] deepwalker: Google не знаю в чем зло, но на HN топики стабильно вываливаются на эту тему : )
[23:44:22] creitve: о да, гугл уже пару раз проштрафился
[23:44:29] creitve: на сборе личной инфы
[23:44:36] creitve: я уже боюсь гуглофон юзать свой
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[23:45:25] creitve: вообще говоря, мне придется переходить на apple, ибо я буду и с 3d и с графикой работать
[23:45:44] creitve: но с unix-way расстаться уже не смогу
[23:45:53] creitve: а на убунте у меня видео так и не хочет робить(
[23:47:47] creitve: а нету для eclipse какого-нибудь qt designer?
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[23:47:55] creitve: или штатный юзать?
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[23:53:10] deepwalker: хм, штатный поди, он просто как дизайнер форм
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[23:54:06] deepwalker: был кстати чел, который на джанге замутил штуку - отдавал xml ui файлики Qt-шные, и отрисовывал их на клиенте
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[23:54:23] deepwalker: браузер буквально : )
[23:54:40] deepwalker: Я не вдавался, но поди там свой генератор форм был
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[23:55:20] creitve: ну я про дизайнер форм и говорю
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[23:55:26] creitve: кодю я в пидеве
[23:55:30] creitve: ладно
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[23:55:40] deepwalker: а хто такое пидеве?
[23:55:46] creitve: PyDev
[23:55:55] deepwalker: это которая платная?
[23:55:56] creitve: Eclipse+Aptana+PyDev
[23:55:59] creitve: нет
[23:56:03] creitve: бесплатная
[23:56:10] creitve: на любую платформу
[23:56:28] deepwalker: а что дает?
[23:56:52] deepwalker: я просто в vim-e пишу код всегда
[23:57:17] creitve: ну это ide
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[23:57:25] creitve: модульный
[23:57:39] creitve: захотел интеграцию с git - поставил плагин
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[23:57:57] creitve: плагины как пакеты в линухе - из репозиториев ставятся специальных
[23:58:10] creitve: vim это текстовый редактор
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[23:58:29] creitve: я наверное недостаточный линуксоид чтоб так аскетизировать)
[23:58:35] deepwalker: ну да, не ОС это точно, хотя jabber вроде был
[23:58:40] deepwalker: гыг
[23:58:48] deepwalker: аскет это не я как раз ;-)