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[07:39:08] gf: как правильно оформить запись: an=mat**(-1)*x2 если mat = http://bpaste.net/show/8888/ и x2 = http://bpaste.net/show/8889/ ?
[07:39:30] gf: мне выдает неверный результат.. проверяю Маткадом..
[07:42:47] _lorien: jQuery "get()" operations are cached in IE unless you pass in a unique URL !
о да
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[07:47:17] gf: _lorien добрая душа, плз, подскажи как мне написать корректно ^^^ уравнение на pythone..?
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[07:48:07] _lorien: не знаю, не работал с numpy
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[07:48:31] gf: хренова..
[07:48:41] xa4a: mat.inv()
[07:48:53] xa4a: numpy.dot(mat.inv() , x2)
[07:48:55] gf: пробую..
[07:51:38] gf: xa4a http://bpaste.net/show/8890/
[07:52:19] gf: xa4a а так: numpy.dot(mat, x2) ошибок нет, но и считает не верно..
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[07:58:03] gf: xa4a работает, но результат не верен..
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[07:58:44] xa4a: значит ты что-то не так делаешь
[07:58:47] xa4a: очевидно же
[07:58:52] gf: хм..
[08:01:07] gf: xa4a http://bpaste.net/show/8891/
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[08:03:27] xa4a: покажи код на матлабе и ожидаемый результат
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[08:05:34] gf: xa4a http://bpaste.net/show/8892/
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[08:07:37] gf: xa4a собсно это выражение должно расчитывать массивы an и bn, которые во втором случае..
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[08:09:19] xa4a: попробуй mat.transpose()
[08:09:52] gf: ок
[08:10:12] xa4a: нуэ. если циферки не сходятся - ошибки где-то у тебя. ведь матрицы перемножить много ума не надо и разные пакеты не могут давать разные результаты
[08:10:45] _lorien: блииин, люди, почему svn st не показывает, что файл изменился, хотя я его изменил?
[08:10:46] gf: да, вполне возможно..
[08:10:57] _lorien: я уже и svn up сделал, вроде где-то читал, что надо так делать, всё равно...
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[11:10:16] Tony: в bottle есть нативный аналог джанговского middleware?
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[11:13:45] Tony: вопрос снят вижу.
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[11:25:06] deepwalker: по-моему мнению botlle слишком сдвинут на количестве строк, что отрицательно на него влияет
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[11:27:20] Tony: что же юзать вместо него?
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[11:27:53] deepwalker: да если хватает, то его и юзать
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[11:28:05] deepwalker: идеала то нет
[11:28:12] Tony: да тут по идее и джанги хватает, только жирная сильно, какбудто из пушки воробья убивают
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[11:28:56] deepwalker: она в пакетах есть, так что можно ее жирность вообще не рассматривать. А вот урлы у нее тормозноваты
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[11:29:35] Tony: тут проект под gae. я уже makefile сделал который убирает все лишнее оттуда что точно работать там не будет
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[11:30:33] Tony: бля. заглянул внутрь bottle правда помешаны на количестве строк, даже после : бывает не ставят переноса...
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[11:31:43] deepwalker: я бы сказал, что не просто бывает, а как правило : )
[11:32:03] deepwalker: их воля они бы в {} писали
[11:32:33] Tony: braces можно включить.
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[11:33:47] Tony: http://github.com/defnull/bottle/blob/master/bottle.py#L719 PEP нервно курит в сторонке
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[11:36:25] Tony: http://github.com/defnull/bottle/blob/master/bottle.py#L1171 айайай
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[11:39:15] deepwalker: и вообще модуль в 2000-е строк само по себе отстой
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[11:40:59] Tony: у меня щас проект там модуль есть один 5600 строк
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[11:42:11] deepwalker: class Request(threading.local, DictMixin):
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[11:42:26] deepwalker: а где ж гринлеты?
[11:42:46] deepwalker: просто странно, такой легкий понимаешь фремворк
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[11:43:03] bobry: ни хочут они гринлеты вестимо
[11:43:07] bobry: в 1к строк не убираются они)
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[11:44:22] deepwalker: не понял, а gevent есть
[11:44:59] mishok13: а чего вы к threading.local прикопались?
[11:45:19] mishok13: ну и global это не так страшно для веб-фреймворка
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[11:46:11] deepwalker: mishok13, я прикопался, что та мтолько трединг
[11:46:19] deepwalker: а корутинов нет
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[11:46:36] deepwalker: в отличие от werkzeug
[11:46:56] Tony: и kargs везде. писали бы уж *a, **kw
[11:47:04] Tony: не. *a, *k
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[11:48:21] _lorien: def __init__(f, *a, *k):
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[11:50:04] _lorien: пчела камикадзе - открыл холодильник, а она туды
[11:50:07] Tony: нашел плюс джанги...
[11:50:11] Tony: поддержка csrf
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[11:51:36] xa4a: а кто buildout шарит? как оно обрабатывает index опцию в [buildout] секции?
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[11:54:04] Tony: как раз про bottle можно сказать что это херня которая привлекает своей убогостью. :)
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[13:05:05] Tony: гм. реверса урлов в bottle нет?
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[14:01:43] deepwalker: никто не в курсе, в монго решили проблему с восстановлением после краха?
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[14:03:54] mishok13: а какая там была проблема?
[14:04:11] mishok13: ребята из монго четсно же говорят -- mongo is not durable и не ибёт
[14:04:14] mishok13: делайте бекапы
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[14:06:32] wiz: а нах она тогда нужна, коли не durable?
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[14:11:06] mishok13: wiz, вот и я так подумал
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[14:17:51] wiz: < Andys> oh dear
< Andys> in ruby, symbols are represented with a prepended colon
< Andys> so some guy tshirt that said ":sex"
< Andys> which everyone at railscamp knew meant "Sex symbol"
< Andys> he wore it until someone pointed out that to non-rubyists it said "Colon sex"
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[14:19:14] deepwalker: mishok13, там была проблема, что если она грохнется, то потом восстанавливаться она будет десятки часов
[14:19:31] deepwalker: то есть очень до фига времени
[14:20:17] mishok13: эмм
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[14:20:47] mishok13: вообщем-то, монго использует просто mmap и файлы для хранения данных
[14:20:48] _lorien: wiz, :D
[14:20:57] mishok13: а бекап это тупо копирование этих файлов
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[14:21:19] mishok13: даже с базой размером больше доступной памяти это вряд-ли будет медленно
[14:21:32] mishok13: мы это делали с базой размером буквально в полгига
[14:21:35] deepwalker: ну я как бы передаю опыт
[14:22:11] deepwalker: база упала, а потом долго очень, очень долго восстанавливалась, чтобы стартануть то вообще
[14:22:28] deepwalker: вот видимо из бекапа скорее развернуть
[14:22:45] wiz: может в 1.6 уже пофиксили
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[14:23:27] mishok13: вкратце -- монго не для важных данных
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[14:24:17] wiz: а что есть для важных?
[14:24:30] wiz: а то у меня есть пара тб, не знаю куда девать уже
[14:25:20] deepwalker: коуч возможно
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[14:26:26] wiz: коуч как-то не хочется
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[14:29:40] nmk: так поставь репилку к mongo
[14:30:00] wiz: репликацию?
[14:30:13] nmk: ну да. они ж там так и пишут в вики у себя
[14:30:16] wiz: чтобы сразу два сервера "долго грузились после падения" ? ((=
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[14:30:42] nmk: а у тебя они два одновременно собрались падать? :)
[14:31:00] wiz: да всякое бывает
[14:31:07] wiz: они же не оффсайт будут
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[14:34:03] mishok13: репликация у них тоже эээ
[14:34:18] nmk: почему
[14:34:19] nmk: ?
[14:34:46] mishok13: многие клиенты не хотят к slave'ам подключаться
[14:35:02] mishok13: имеется в виду java и ruby есичо
[14:35:20] mishok13: + отставание бывает приличным
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[14:35:38] wiz: а если шардинг? надо получается сразу несколько конектов держать?
[14:35:50] nmk: не. там mongos для шардинга
[14:35:54] nmk: он как я понял сам все разрулит
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[14:36:33] nmk: у меня по монго чисто теоритические и стендовые знания. :)
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[14:58:09] creitve: почему если я просто вывожу строку, то кириллица выводится, а если распарсил и засунул в dictionary то чтот вроде \xd0\x93\xd0\xb5
[14:58:23] creitve: где тут нужно перекодить и как?
[14:58:28] creitve: в utf-8
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[14:59:04] maxp: уважаемые, а не видел ли кто-нибудь торрент-трекер на Питоне?
[14:59:13] maxp: желательно более-менее рабочий
[15:00:21] _lorien: ы, новый тренд, всем нужен трекер на питоне
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[15:00:33] maxp: прямо всем?
[15:00:35] maxp: ого :)
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[15:01:15] _lorien: creitve, там вроде разные методы вызываются
>>> print 'фыва'.__str__()
фыва
>>> print 'фыва'.__repr__()
'\xd1\x84\xd1\x8b\xd0\xb2\xd0\xb0'
когда ты дампишь структуру сложную, то для её элементов вызывает __repr__, а когда ты просто print'ом выводишь, то __str__, как-то так
[15:01:33] _lorien: maxp, а чо на php не устраивают трекеры?
[15:02:05] maxp: да мне бы что-нибудь для экспериментов чтобы
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[15:02:30] maxp: на пхп не хотелось бы ковыряться
[15:02:33] creitve: _lorien спасибо! разобрался
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[15:10:57] bobry: что то трекеры hot topic
[15:11:01] bobry: вчера были, сегодня
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[15:12:54] _lorien: как во вконтакте удалить всех друзей, не пойму
[15:13:04] bobry: _lorien, одной кнопкой шоле?
[15:13:10] bobry: со всеми поссорился?)
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[15:13:34] _lorien: да просто удалить хочу, заебал вконтакт :)
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[15:13:42] _lorien: ну не логин, я там аппы буду делать ещё, просто людей всех
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[15:13:52] _lorien: да, одной, нашёл скрипт на php - не работает, лень разбираться с ним
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[15:14:02] Ганж: гыг, все под колпаком)
[15:14:08] creitve: есть вроде сервис в инете такой
[15:14:11] _lorien: я там просто надобавлял 200 сотни, руками лень
[15:14:23] nmk: _lorien: заведи новый акк
[15:14:25] nmk: делов то
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[15:15:21] _lorien: да не оч, удобно, на новое мыло надо и на новый телефон, вроде так
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[15:15:35] creitve: http://unvkontakte.ath.cx/
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[15:15:48] creitve: только не уверен что он только друзей удаляет
[15:15:50] _lorien: это реально неудобно :) Кроме того, мне не нравится, что там такой массив висит на мне инфы, удалить хочу, не в том плане, что там колпак и т.д, а просто психологически :)
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[15:16:41] Ганж: зог уже все скопировал)) поздно :-)
[15:17:19] _lorien: да мне похуй, что скопировано, вроде ж пояснил выше :)
[15:17:38] _lorien: ладно, ща узнаем, что этот сервис делает :)
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[15:20:43] _lorien: не работает сайтик, не удаляет :(
[15:22:14] _lorien: новый акк нельзя заводить, у меня уже одно проапрвленное приложение есть на моём акке
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[15:40:06] creitve: а для использования конфигов юзаются глобальные переменные, или это распространённая ошибка?
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[15:41:29] creitve: если я импорчу config.py со всеми переменными, а в основном файле в функциях пишу global variable
[15:41:35] xa4a: не глобальные а уровня модуля, например
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[15:45:51] creitve: xa4a типа config.myVar?
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[15:49:06] creitve: спасибо!
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[16:16:01] _lorien: короче, написал на python скрипт, запустил, удаляет щас :D
[16:17:40] xa4a: проще было бы в фаербаге в консоль насрать, не?
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[16:18:11] _lorien: мне милее на питоне
[16:18:21] _lorien: я удовольствие аж получил, делая скрипт :)
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[16:18:42] bobry: _lorien, публикуй под bsd :)
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[16:18:46] bobry: сделай другим удобно
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[16:19:24] _lorien: ну щас, он отработает, тест пройдёт, так сказать :)
[16:19:38] vgavro: тест
[16:19:50] Sevenov: Чятик, дискач.
[16:19:57] bobry: чо?
[16:20:04] Sevenov: Типа скучно жэ
[16:20:22] Sevenov: О, впервые вижу скролл в списке юзернеймов канала
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[16:20:38] vgavro: о! спс за мемебра. бот ваш silent_bob.. а все таки - какой правильный ответ? "(16:19:13) pythonua@conference.jabber.ru/silent_bob: Для того, чтоб получить право голоса, ответьте на простой вопрос: Первое, что вы делаете, при возникновении проблем с python?"
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[16:20:52] vgavro: это первый вопрос :-D
[16:21:18] Sevenov: vgavro, читаете доки?
[16:21:21] vgavro: не слушай. походу это не бот, он просто надо мной издевается
[16:21:31] vgavro: ну , я отвечал rtfm, manual
[16:21:37] _lorien: http://dumpz.org/21688/
[16:21:41] Sevenov: vgavro, оно и на до мной уже последние пару лет издевается.
[16:21:47] Sevenov: Говорит, мол, алкаш.
[16:21:50] Sevenov: silent_bob, да ведь?
[16:21:53] vgavro: ключевое слово "доки" тоже не помогает :-D
[16:22:12] Sevenov: silent_bob, ffuuuu
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[16:22:22] Sevenov: silent_bob, бля >_<
[16:22:34] bobry: hah
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[16:23:30] xa4a: vgavro: ключевые слова были ['google', 'python.org','pdb']
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[16:23:47] vgavro: е-мае. он бы намекнул как-то - "какие сайты"...
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[16:23:59] _lorien: странно что нету doc и man
[16:24:04] vgavro: но все равно спасибо! любопытство удовлетворено. а то я б не спал бы варианты перебирал
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[16:26:41] Sevenov: Большинство современных Linux-дистрибутивов, за исключением Novell SLES/SLED, Ubuntu и RedHat EL, предназначены для энтузиастов. Но даже при использовании таких решений создание клиент-серверной среды может вызывать сложности (особенно если вам необходимо использовать Windows и Linux клиенты). Мы создали наш собственный дистрибутив, чтобы помочь другим людям, которые хотят использовать GNU/Linux вместо проприетарных ОС для потребностей своего бизнеса.
[16:26:50] Sevenov: Calculate Linux
[16:27:10] bobry: сомнительно чета, в чем профит?
[16:27:38] Sevenov: поняли, да? Все ваши убунты на амазоне в облаке, дебианчики, слесы - всё говно.
[16:27:52] Sevenov: А, а я не так прочёл :D
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[16:27:58] Sevenov: Так-с
[16:28:14] Sevenov: Все ваши генты, фряхи и дебианы - говно.
[16:28:17] bobry: calculate вроде как на генту основывается
[16:28:18] bobry: не?
[16:28:19] Sevenov: Поняли, да?
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[16:28:46] bobry: и точно, gentoo based
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[16:29:26] bobry: УВД по Мурманской области; Used Distros: Calculate Directory Server
[16:29:29] bobry: вот это лол
[16:29:32] bobry: http://www.calculate-linux.org/introduction
[16:29:47] Sevenov: http://www.calculate-linux.ru/boards/33/topics/1145#message-4069
[16:30:00] Sevenov: Хммм.
>К сожалению поддержкой убунты ещё не занимались.
[16:30:05] maxp: /me прочитал спецификацию торрент-протокола и вспомнил времена Фидо ...
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[16:30:20] Sevenov: О, maxp. Я скучал.
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[16:30:43] maxp: голодный тролль? :)
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[16:31:05] Sevenov: я не тролль.
[16:31:15] bobry: maxp, спецификация торрент протокола вызывает отчаяние. особенно работа с multi-file торрентами
[16:31:19] Sevenov: о, схожу на лор.
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[16:32:18] maxp: bobry: мультифайл мне пофиг, мне трекер надо
[16:32:31] bobry: ну, у трекера там свои заморочки
[16:32:33] maxp: но и формат .торрент тоже угробищен
[16:32:49] bobry: придумал как пиров будешь раздавать?
[16:33:00] bobry: оффтоп — http://bookee.ru/ чей лого напоминает?
[16:33:03] maxp: bobry: а может ты в курсе, есть ли более-менее работающие трекеры на Питоне?
[16:33:17] maxp: пиров-то раздадим как-нибудь
[16:33:19] bobry: не, я только на js упражнялся
[16:33:23] bobry: да там надо не как нить раздавать
[16:33:35] maxp: а на js что? клиент?
[16:33:36] Sevenov: Я когда-то начинал писать трекер, но так и не дописал.
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[16:33:39] bobry: вчера уже перечисляли, на джанге есть, на gae
[16:33:41] bobry: maxp, трекер
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[16:33:45] Sevenov: Если найду, могу поделиться.
[16:33:49] bobry: python?
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[16:34:05] Sevenov: ну.
[16:34:05] maxp: на джанге работающий трекер?
[16:34:08] bobry: ахах
[16:34:13] bobry: трекер на js двойная боль
[16:34:17] bobry: сначала от уё js
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[16:34:25] bobry: потом от уё протокола
[16:34:26] Sevenov: >на джанге
>работающий
/0 :D
[16:34:43] bobry: !g python torrent tracker django
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[16:35:30] bobry: проект мертв однако
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[16:35:39] Sevenov: Хм. Как я и говорил, /0
[16:36:00] Sevenov: Взглянув в транк у меня немедленно возникло желание поблевать.
[16:36:00] bobry: твой шоле?
[16:36:21] Sevenov: не
[16:36:53] Sevenov: Моего в интернетах нет. Я даже не уверен, что он есть на ноуте.
[16:36:56] _lorien: Sevenov, так ты поблевал или сдержался?
[16:37:09] Sevenov: bobry, алсо, тот лого напомнил бубунту.
[16:37:13] bobry: молодец
[16:37:16] bobry: именно
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[16:37:41] bobry: я бы попилил трекер
[16:37:44] Sevenov: _lorien, сдержался уж. Я тут шарлотку съёл, жалко выблёвывать.
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[16:38:22] _lorien: Угу, а прикинь ты бы её на ноутбук выблевнул, и он бы сгорел.
[16:38:34] _lorien: Мог бы потом иск автору django-torrent-tracker предъявить.
[16:38:36] Sevenov: а, этот не сгорит
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[16:38:49] Sevenov: он много пива и текилы выдержал.
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[16:39:03] _lorien: фу, текила
[16:39:07] bobry: фу пиво
[16:39:13] _lorien: :D
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[16:39:19] Sevenov: фу, выдержал
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[16:39:36] _lorien: я чё-то ваще пить перестал :)
[16:39:44] bobry: _lorien, мужык \m/
[16:40:00] bobry: тут есть только одна проблема
[16:40:03] bobry: когда ты не пьешь
[16:40:12] bobry: все остальные пьют и хотят чтобы ты пил с ними :D
[16:40:17] Sevenov: _lorien, давно? А то без жидкости можно выжить нескольно дней
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[16:40:46] _lorien: bobry, ну я не принципиальный, могу и выпить, но делаю редко это
[16:41:05] vgavro: тут кстати не принято форсировать ответы на вопросы, запостенные на форуме? а то там явно всем пофиг
[16:41:09] bobry: какая мотивация, если не скерет?
[16:41:13] bobry: vgavro, спрашивай, sure
[16:41:29] Sevenov: vgavro, ваще пофиг, спрашивай.
[16:41:33] vgavro: http://python.su/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=54522 :-[
[16:41:42] _lorien: bobry, никакой, просто пить не хочу, не нравится, что от пива мутит
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[16:41:56] vgavro: не могу понять, вроде такая нужная фича - а в sqlalchemy вроде как-то по тупому сделана..
[16:42:01] bobry: _lorien, поимо пива еще мильон вариантов :)
[16:42:17] _lorien: ну пиво мне конкретно не нравится, вино-водка ещё можно :)
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[16:42:36] bobry: vgavro, дык Column то у тебя какого типа там?
[16:42:36] Sevenov: vgavro, а кодировка таблиц какая?
[16:42:43] bobry: и это тоже
[16:42:52] Sevenov: еще String, небось
[16:42:56] Sevenov: а не Unicode
[16:43:03] vgavro: вот именно что я таблицу не маплю, только делаю sql запросы через execute
[16:43:14] Sevenov: и чо ты хотел тогда?
[16:43:27] vgavro: :-) хотел что-б в юникод конвертилось :-)
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[16:43:38] bobry: дык ты мапь таблицы
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[16:43:47] bobry: и будет конвертиться
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[16:44:11] vgavro: ну это понятно. раз без этого никак - будем мапить...
[16:44:15] vgavro: спс.
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[16:44:49] bobry: ну там еще от dbapi зависит, думаю
[16:45:03] bobry: кстати зачем SA, если ты просто запросы делаешь через execute?
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[16:46:21] _lorien: А подскажите, чо у меня только одна программа может звук играть, как бы всю карту себе забирает, другие проги уже не могут звучок играть. Система: дебилиан, ядро 2.6.32
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[16:48:28] bobry: dmix шоли надо указать
[16:48:30] vgavro: 1. меняешь db_url в конфиге - и скрипт работает под любую СУБД, 2. dbapi работают по-разному, некоторые возвращают ключи в dict большими буквами, некоторые маленькими, некоторые dict вообще не возвращают (так как результат в dict в dbapi2 почему-то отсутствует, что не может не огорчать). А sqlalchemy может в таких случаях быть удобной прослойкой. Во всяком случае я этого от нее ожидал, кроме функций собственно ORM.
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[16:49:35] Sevenov: >меняешь db_url в конфиге - и скрипт работает под любую СУБД,

Например, синтаксис CONCAT у мускула, постгреса и мсскул разный
[16:49:36] vgavro: cx_oracle умеет возвращать unicode, informixdb принципиально не возвращает, я ожидал что sqlalchemy наведет порядок в этом плане :-D
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[16:50:36] vgavro: Семенов, понятно что ничего идеального нет, но такие специфичные функции я не использую. Мне нужен только select, причем структуру таблицы я изначально не знаю и знать не хочу.
[16:51:14] vgavro: вообщем ладно, будем по-другому решать. еще раз спс.
[16:51:17] Sevenov: Ужас-ужас. Ну не удобно же.
[16:52:35] _lorien: раньше просто работало, а щас перестало - ненавижу linux
[16:53:08] bobry: "Семенов" :D
[16:53:35] bobry: _lorien, гугли, решение точно есть — только я его уже не помню
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[16:59:38] _lorien: pcm.!default {
type plug
slave.pcm "dmixer"
}
вот это в /etc/asound.conf решило проблему
[17:00:12] bobry: вот вот, я помню что dmix что то там
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[18:33:01] deepwalker: мда, а вот pulseaudio только добавляет
[18:33:07] deepwalker: тонну или две
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[18:46:20] Sevenov: pulseaudio у мяно отлично работает
[18:46:29] Sevenov: *меня
[18:46:43] Sevenov: http://mynest.ru/photo/1280/976491120/1/tumblr_l7e730dUPe1qbs8g1?.jpg
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[19:07:30] deepwalker: а у меня не отлично
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[19:21:27] slav0nic: кто юзал DjangoItem с Scrapy?
[19:22:09] bobry: /me даже не знал что он есть. в contrib?
[19:22:24] slav0nic: ну
[19:22:28] slav0nic: оно экспериментальное)
[19:22:30] slav0nic: давно уже есть
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[19:22:47] bobry: хм, как же я его пропустил та
[19:22:54] bobry: обошелся adbapi
[19:22:55] slav0nic: лан, прийдётся потыкать) вараинт для ленивых не прокатал
[19:23:09] slav0nic: http://doc.scrapy.org/experimental/djangoitems.html
[19:23:10] bobry: оно тоже adbapi юзает?
[19:23:21] Sevenov: што такое DjangoItem?
[19:23:40] Sevenov: што твуок Scrapy?
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[19:23:45] Sevenov: *такое
[19:23:59] Sevenov: пиздец у меня сегодня опечаточки.
[19:24:00] bobry: Sevenov, фреймворк для пауков на твистеде
[19:24:05] bobry: да, стараешься
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[19:24:25] xa4a is now offline
[19:25:11] slav0nic: комбайн для граббинга/парсинга сайтов "по-умному"
[19:25:19] slav0nic: хотя не всё там так умно)
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[19:25:32] slav0nic: кореша пираньи писали)
[19:25:52] bobry: ну кстати в целом он ниче такой
[19:25:57] bobry: у меня приятное впечатление осталось
[19:25:58] slav0nic: угу
[19:26:01] bobry: правда мидлварей многовато)
[19:26:16] slav0nic: ну в код лазить можно, хотя я в твистеде не шарю
[19:26:28] bobry: да, и код в целом читаемый
[19:26:38] slav0nic: хотя когда-то гавняшки на твистеде писал
[19:26:46] bobry: /me тоже в твистеде профан
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[19:26:47] slav0nic: twisted.words жесть
[19:26:58] bobry: кстати к разговору о торрент трекерах. твистед или не твистед?
[19:27:03] slav0nic: там для icq красивый код )
[19:27:10] bobry: deepwalker, отрекомендуешь?
[19:27:17] bobry: slav0nic, сарказм?
[19:27:22] slav0nic: угу
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[19:28:15] deepwalker: bobry, фреймворк для пауков? не было такой задачи ни разу
[19:28:23] bobry: не не
[19:28:25] deepwalker: я просто ен знаю, что нужно для пауков
[19:28:26] bobry: я про трекер
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[19:29:10] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
[19:29:16] deepwalker: : ) могу поискать
[19:29:20] bobry: да не, че искать то
[19:29:40] bobry: есть один на джанге и есть один на gae.
[19:29:52] bobry: я тут думаю может по упражняться, но пока не определился со способом
[19:30:06] bobry: там по идее http протокол, но если UPD поддержку приписывать то twisted будет в кассу
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[19:32:20] slav0nic: http://www.netlore.ru/volosataya_sosiska
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[19:34:18] _lorien: есть тут windows пользователи? Забыл как в far вставить текущий каталог, мне нужно в F2 меню создать новый пункт для быстрого перехода к папке, там был какой-то хоткей для текущей директории
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[19:35:50] deepwalker: долго осмысливал о чем ты
[19:36:08] deepwalker: но я вспомнил!
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[19:58:49] _lorien: ммм, ну так колись :)
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[20:02:28] deepwalker: да не, я вспомнил что такое фар : )
[20:02:48] evrial is now online
[20:03:31] deepwalker: на серверах обычно far не стоит, поэтому я привык проводником пользоваться
[20:03:37] novus42 is now xa
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[20:04:10] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
[20:04:52] slav0nic: на серваках оыбчно винда не стоит В)
[20:05:27] non3x st is now dnd
[20:06:30] jedgar: _lorien: есть плагин для быстрого перехода
[20:07:11] jedgar: _lorien: HotDir например, кажись еще есть другие
[20:07:24] razum2um is now xa
[20:07:58] evrial is now online
[20:08:02] jedgar: _lorien: а для текущей у меня Ctrl+А если в панели
[20:08:32] jedgar: _lorien: Ctrl+[ если в редакторе
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[20:08:58] _lorien: дааа, вот она родимая! ))
[20:08:59] _lorien: спасиб :)
[20:09:02] erraen is now online
[20:09:19] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
[20:09:34] jedgar: т.е. не Ctrl+А, а Ctrl+F
[20:09:47] slav0nic: _lorien, а с какой радости ты на винду перешёл?)
[20:09:56] slav0nic: так и до смены пола недалеко )
[20:10:04] _lorien: да челу скрипт написал, а он под виндой, ну вот тещу
[20:10:12] _lorien: * тещщу
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[20:12:56] _lorien: винда мне мозг своей консолью выносит, так неудобно ваще
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[20:15:45] _lorien: что примечательно скрипт юзающий pycurl & lxml запустился без вопросов
[20:15:46] bobry is now online
[20:16:03] _lorien: а то тут недавно кто-то говорил. что мол lxml не работает в винде - всё работает :)
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[20:36:26] gigimon: _lorien: я говорил что ен ставится легко ) но потом нашел скомпиленые модули
[20:36:52] gigimon: и пашет оно замечательно :)
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[20:41:48] deepwalker: консоль на финде доисторическая. А юзается она на серверах очень активно, по конторам по всяким
[20:42:10] gigimon: блин, чет в жаббере флуд-боты активизировались активно чоень
[20:42:12] deepwalker: AD там, exchange, ISA(это вот ужас)
[20:42:25] erraen is now online
[20:42:28] gigimon: deepwalker: ++
[20:42:39] gigimon: у меня AD+mssql крутится
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[20:42:57] _lorien: пипец, винда в вмваре систему грузит.... когда скринсейвер запускается... только я слышу что винд хрустит, я мышой в винде дёргаю - пропадают тормоза %)
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[20:56:26] Sevenov: я знаю, тут есть осиляторы mcabber'а.
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[21:10:29] _lorien: я раньше tkabber юзал под виндой :)
[21:10:45] _lorien: а мкаббер это его брат-сестра?
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[21:11:37] bobry: mcabber вроде консольный
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[21:16:19] _lorien: я научился варить варенники - главное воды меньше
[21:16:40] _lorien: они тогда как-то нормально варятся, видимо быстрее вода закипает или хз чо, а когда воды много, они превращаются в гавно
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[23:36:30] creitve: так посоветуйте такую вещь
[23:37:22] bobry: м?
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[23:37:52] creitve: есть таблица, данные которой периодически меняются. каждый месяц её показатели обнуляются. что разумнее сделать с точки зрения быстродействия: 1)всёвсёвсё складывать в одну таблицу 2)каждый месяц создавать в бд новую однотипную таблицу
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[23:38:07] creitve: просто я ни разу не видел чтоб в бд делались однотипные таблицы.
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[23:39:14] creitve: имеется в виду складывать данные об изменении показателей. для архива.
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[23:40:09] creitve: бд sqlite
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[23:40:29] bobry: дык что мешает перед созданием таблицы генерить какой нить отчет по старой?
[23:40:34] bobry: в смысле по истечении месяца
[23:41:02] creitve: в смысле отчёт? сама таблица и есть отчёт
[23:41:21] bobry: не, ну в смысле сбагривать данные куда нить
[23:41:22] bobry: старые
[23:41:33] creitve: смотри в интернете есть таблица
[23:41:41] creitve: пару раз в месяц в неё меняются данные
[23:41:45] creitve: *ней
[23:41:56] creitve: я с некоторым периодом проверяю обновления
[23:42:23] creitve: и строчку из таблицы переношу в бд, добавляя колонку даты изменения
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[23:42:38] bobry: ок
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[23:42:59] creitve: таким образом архивируются все изменения
[23:43:25] creitve: вопрос стоит ли иметь такой архив за всё время в одно огромной таблице, или аз в месяц создавать новую
[23:43:47] creitve: просто может быть если таблиц несколько медленно будет работать?
[23:43:53] creitve: зато обрабатывтаь проще
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[23:44:08] non3x st: creitve, зависит от того какие запросы ты будешь на своих архивах делать.
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[23:44:35] bobry: ну там у sqlite проблемы начинаются после 10k строк по моему, или что то такого порядка
[23:44:41] bobry: с производительностью
[23:44:53] non3x st: ну тогда много маленьких :)
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[23:46:11] bobry: а может просто делать базу на каждый месяц?)
[23:46:24] creitve: я тоже думал
[23:46:34] creitve: но архив нужен для статистики
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[23:46:44] creitve: с приложении есть вкладка с красивыми гистограммами
[23:46:53] creitve: быстро ли будет переключаться между файлами?
[23:47:01] bobry: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/784173/what-are-the-performance-characteristics-of-sqlite-with-very-large-database-files
[23:47:02] creitve: а так всё в пределах 1 файла хотя бы.
[23:47:21] bobry: в общем я думаю стоит попробовать пока с одной таблицей
[23:47:30] bobry: если будут проблему можно уже как то изголяться
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[23:48:01] creitve: нет ну если 10тысяч строк то это месяца 2 хватит
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[23:48:20] creitve: спасибо, значит буду зразбивать на таблицы, в одном файле
[23:48:31] bobry: я похоже не прав
[23:48:38] creitve: просто вчера познакомился sqlite
[23:48:44] bobry: не 10к нефига
[23:48:52] bobry: не знаю откуда эта цифра в моей голове
[23:48:59] creitve: а хорошо
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[23:49:01] bobry: в общем не решай проблему пока ее нет :)
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[23:49:30] creitve: мм. надо запомнить это изречение)
[23:49:53] bobry: да это я getting real начитался
[23:49:54] bobry: :D
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[23:50:37] creitve: кстати, есть разница между import x и from x import *?
[23:50:44] bobry: да
[23:50:57] bobry: import x создает только одну переменную в глобальном пространстве имен
[23:51:01] bobry: x
[23:51:24] bobry: from x import * вытаскивает все что есть в x.__all__
[23:51:31] bobry: ну или просто все что есть в x
[23:51:50] creitve: а понял. всё у меня пошли тупые вопросы) спасибо большое
[23:51:56] bobry: да все ок
[23:51:59] bobry: :)
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[23:52:54] creitve: ну тебе спасибо, но мы тут не в вдвоём. я гуглю/stackoverflowлю по мере сил, но иногда забываюсь
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[23:53:51] creitve: даже виджет stackoverflow на телефон поставил, чтобы читать с рабочего стола вопросы по тегу python)
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[23:54:03] creitve: в маршрутке например
[23:54:11] bobry: да всем пофик
[23:54:16] bobry: даже Sevenov молчит
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[23:55:27] creitve: окей, тогда скажи, я могу импортнуть файл и из него переменные юзать как filename.varname?
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[23:55:45] Sevenov: bobry, м?
[23:56:40] bobry: говорю что всем пофик на то что вопросы «тупые»
[23:57:00] bobry: creitve, можешь
[23:57:05] creitve: пс
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