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[00:02:43] Sevenov: http://code.google.com/p/appengine-framework/source/browse/trunk/src/admin/__init__.py -- fffuuuuuu
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[00:07:16] creitve: bobry ты что-нибудь понимаешь в git? я решил во время своего первого серьезного приложения изучить эту mvc, но не совсем понял как она используется в полевых условиях
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[00:09:48] bobry: vcs наверное все таки а не mvc :)
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[00:10:32] creitve: тьфу да
[00:10:38] bobry: для понимания есть git magic, я по ней учился.
[00:10:45] bobry: http://github.com/mifistor/gitmagic-ru и http://www-cs-students.stanford.edu/~blynn/gitmagic/index.html
[00:10:56] bobry: почему не hg если не секрет?
[00:11:30] creitve: ну я еще начинающий линуксоид
[00:11:55] bobry: ну hg почеловечней будет
[00:11:56] creitve: мне очень всё понравилось, mercurial не пробовал
[00:12:02] bobry: в плане концепций и интерфейса
[00:12:09] bobry: к тому же есть отличный туториал от спольски
[00:12:17] creitve: однако github очень часто перед глазами и популярнее
[00:12:33] bobry: ну, github — да, тут нечего возразить
[00:12:54] non3x st: есть еще Pro Git.
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[00:13:14] non3x st: http://progit.org
[00:13:34] creitve: да уже нашёл
[00:13:38] creitve: спасибо!
[00:13:45] creitve: кстати я уже читал этот сайт немного
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[00:14:02] creitve: суть в чём
[00:14:18] creitve: вот я создал реп, скоммитил пару раз ради фана код
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[00:14:33] creitve: потом научился сделать main и development ветку
[00:14:44] creitve: сижу кодю в development
[00:15:13] creitve: однако так и не понял, насколько серьёзными должны быть изменения, чтобы создавать для этого отдельную ветку
[00:15:23] creitve: или форк, щас сверюсь с терминологией
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[00:16:00] bobry: да не, ничего серьезног не должно быть в принципе
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[00:18:10] creitve: в общем возьму и скачаю гит меджик
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[00:23:39] creitve: bobry я склонил книгу с git, в каком она формате вообще? makefile меня смущает
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[00:24:04] bobry: creitve, я уже не помню, тех наверное
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[00:25:19] creitve: всё нашёл
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[00:25:30] creitve: вбил ссылку на реп в гугл и нашёл на хабре статью
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[00:28:00] creitve: блин полюбил linux. но на моём железе траблы с видео и 3d
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[00:30:59] bobry: creitve, ati?
[00:31:12] creitve: да(
[00:31:17] bobry: поздравляю :D
[00:31:37] creitve: вынужден был взять ati, ибо нормальных с agp не было gforceов
[00:31:49] creitve: сижу без видео пока по линем
[00:31:51] bobry: еще и agp, у меня впрочем тоже ati
[00:31:54] creitve: кодить очень приятно
[00:32:04] creitve: да, думаю вот на макбук скопить)
[00:32:10] bobry: правда я уже давно на xf86-video-ati
[00:32:25] bobry: /me не очень понимает прелесть макбуков
[00:32:47] creitve: ну я только из-за мощного и качественного железа
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[00:33:02] bobry: за те же деньги можно два ноута купить, с аналогичной начинкой
[00:33:14] creitve: и оси, которая сочетает мультимедийную мощь и прелести никсов
[00:33:33] bobry: прям как цитата из рекламного буклета :)
[00:33:55] creitve: ну да, меня может и зомбировало, но маки мне нравятся и айподы
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[00:33:59] creitve: айфон ненавижу)
[00:34:01] bobry: от прелестей никсов там немного осталось
[00:34:08] creitve: согласен
[00:34:10] bobry: где пакетный менеджер например?
[00:34:18] bobry: о, айподы моя вторая любимая тема D:
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[00:34:28] bobry: кастрированный плеер
[00:34:31] bobry: the one and only
[00:34:38] creitve: ну тут ничего не смогу особо сказать
[00:34:51] creitve: я всегда выберу там где звук чище
[00:34:53] bobry: ну а чего тут скажешь, красиво и бесполезно :)
[00:35:00] bobry: почему тогда не cowon?
[00:35:13] creitve: я не так выразился
[00:35:26] creitve: из продукции apple я нененавижу только компы и плееры
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[00:35:36] creitve: ну как-то так
[00:36:04] bobry: macbook not in компы?
[00:36:11] creitve: in
[00:36:17] bobry: ненавижу? хмхм
[00:36:23] bobry: видимо пора спать — ничего уже не понимаю
[00:36:33] creitve: перечитай
[00:36:41] creitve: стоило раздельно написать)
[00:36:45] bobry: аа
[00:36:47] bobry: черт
[00:36:50] bobry: не ненавижу
[00:36:53] bobry: там же не слитно йома
[00:37:03] bobry: раздельно т.е. а не «не слитно» :D
[00:37:17] creitve: да, это я под вечер орфографию путаю
[00:37:41] bobry: ладно, морфей зовет все таки \o
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[00:37:46] creitve: ну вот что касается моноблоков я хз где взять 12ядерный комп
[00:37:48] creitve: давай
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[08:42:25] wiz: Tony, django templates ftw
[08:42:29] wiz: остальное не нужно
[08:42:53] Tony: да там задача, джанга не нужна.
[08:43:08] wiz: тем хуже для задачи
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[08:44:27] Tony: ну как сказать, там одна страница которая генерируется непосредственно пользователем, остальное это запросы через ajax с json
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[08:47:15] gf: поставил на дом.сервер джангу, запускаю runserver, получаю: Error: No module named postgresql_psycopg2.base
[08:47:32] gf: постгрес и бекенд установлены..
[08:47:42] Tony: psycopg2
[08:49:06] gf: root@comp-10ada8 ~ # apt-get install python-module-psycopg2 python-module-django1.1-dbbackend-psycopg2
python-module-psycopg2 is already the newest version.
python-module-django1.1-dbbackend-psycopg2 is already the newest version.
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[08:50:38] Tony: дебилиан такой дебилиан.
[08:50:50] Tony: какое вообще отношение имеет psycopg2 к джанге?
[08:51:33] gf: Tony я не знаю, а ты?
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[08:55:01] gf: ппц.. завелся после установки python-module-django1.1-dbbackend-psycopg
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[09:06:31] огыешсук: Tony: сам ты дебилиан, у gf`а что-то левое стоит.
[09:07:30] gf: огыешсук если ты про дистрибутив, то стоит Альт
[09:07:38] огыешсук: во-во
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[10:49:21] novus42: вопрос про бота на базе xmpppy: когда я пытаюсь отправить сообщение типа xmpp.Message(msg.getFrom(), reply, "groupchat") он не постит в конфу. если тип сообщения "chat" или "normal" то всё в порядке. может для конфы нужно что-то дополнительное инициализовать?
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[10:59:29] novus42: понял где ошибся, спасибо!
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[11:40:51] nmk: а зонт кто-нибудь пробовал с амазона заказывать? доставляют? :)
[11:42:04] xa4a: книжки доставляют
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[11:42:21] nmk: а шмотки? там зонты просто в шмотках.
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[11:44:38] haredas: не подскажите как сделать срез в двумерном списке чтоб получить один столбец?
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[11:45:48] haredas: к примеру задаю список:
[11:45:59] haredas: >>> a = [[1,2,3], [4,5,6], [7,8,9]]
[11:46:30] haredas: как сделать срез чтоб получить список: [1, 4, 7]
[11:46:56] vgavro: [x[0] for x in a]
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[11:47:56] haredas: vgavro: спасибо, работает :)
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[11:48:13] vgavro: zip(*a)[0]
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[11:48:41] огыешсук: /me покупал на амазоне дофига всего, только не книжки
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[11:50:22] огыешсук: амазон доставляет, да. У них ещё можно прайма забесплатно один раз на месяц сделать. Тогда доставлять будет бесплатно всего за два дня. Оченно удобно.
[11:50:39] nmk: ты где живешь? :)
[11:50:55] bobry: haredas, map(operator.itemgetter(0), a)
[11:51:14] bobry: мне недавно за неделю книжка приехала из англии
[11:51:32] огыешсук: nmk: а, да. В Россию заказывать не пробовал ещё.
[11:51:39] nmk: :)))
[11:51:46] bobry: огыешсук, лучше не пробуй :)
[11:51:59] bobry: почта россии способна на многое
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[11:52:47] огыешсук: а в штатах это основной мой магазин был (если не считать продуктовый ralphs на ближайшей плазе), чуть не каждый день новую коробочку под дверью находил
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[11:53:35] bobry: а доставка дорого получалась?
[11:54:03] огыешсук: говорю же -- бесплатная
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[11:54:39] bobry: ну один раз в месяц же написано
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[11:54:58] bobry: или я чего то не понимаю
[11:55:50] огыешсук: не, один раз можно заказать триал прайм-мембершип на месяц. Тогда этот месяц тебе любая доставка будет бесплатно за два дня приходить. А без прайма, бесплатно доставка только за неделю.
[11:56:27] bobry: а
[11:57:39] haredas: vgavro: ввариант с zip получаеться возвращает кортеж. А какой способ лучше по производительности?
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[11:58:15] nott: import timeit
[11:58:20] nott: я бы поставил на zip
[11:58:51] bobry: haredas, а список то у тебя большой?
[11:58:52] nott: но в питоне на таких вещах бывают поразительные результаты из-за того, что часть кода написана на c
[11:58:59] bobry: шобы в таких мелочах оптимизировать
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[12:00:42] haredas: bobry: да не очень, но пишу для мобилного, поэтому приходиться задумываться о таких мелочах :)
[12:01:16] nmk: сука амазон. не посылает зонт м рашку мою
[12:01:30] bobry: nmk, велкам! они много чего в россию не посылают
[12:01:36] bobry: потому что на п.р. все подряд пиздят
[12:01:45] nmk: щас попробую другой зонт :)
[12:01:57] nmk: ох.
[12:01:58] nmk: суки
[12:02:03] bobry: электронику например
[12:02:05] nmk: как же я без зонта то
[12:02:06] bobry: никакую не отправляют
[12:02:12] bobry: nmk, попробуй ебей
[12:02:26] vgavro: haredas про преждевременную оптимизацию слыхал? ты сперва напиши, а потом оптимизируй.
[12:02:37] nmk: bobry: да там половина китайского говна. фиг выберешь
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[12:02:45] bobry: да дело даже не в преждевременной оптимизации. выигрышь небольшой будет в любом случаек
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[12:02:56] bobry: nmk, дык ты ищи тот же зонт что и на амазоне
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[12:03:11] nmk: bobry: пробую :)
[12:03:29] nmk: bobry: The seller doesn't ship to the country where your primary shipping address is located. :(
[12:03:32] nmk: там один buy.com их продает
[12:03:48] bobry: через ebay.ru удобнее будет искать
[12:03:57] bobry: там как раз чуваки которые готовы в россию засылать
[12:04:04] bobry: *их немного кстати — очень немного*
[12:04:06] haredas: vgavro: ок, спасибо еще раз :)
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[12:04:10] bobry: потому что посылки не доходят :D
[12:04:14] nmk: да надо было б еще чего-нибудь я б через шопито послал
[12:04:25] nmk: но надо только зонт :(
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[12:08:06] огыешсук: bobry: это небось чуваки из китая по большей части ;o)
[12:08:28] bobry: не, у китайцев есть таобао
[12:08:30] bobry: нафига им ебей
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[12:08:50] огыешсук: /me впрочем, заказывал с dx в америку, посылка шла две недели, что было "они там офигели совсем?" после амазоновских двух дней
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[12:09:11] bobry: я тут тоже из китая заказывал
[12:09:12] nmk: для рашки и dx две недели это очень хорошо :)
[12:09:20] bobry: хуже почты россии
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[12:10:17] nmk: /me расстроен
[12:10:29] огыешсук: а couchdb кто-нибудь пользует? а под debian`ом?
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[12:12:17] novus42: а какая разница под чем?
[12:12:31] novus42: под Генту у нас, если что
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[12:14:37] огыешсук: ага, пофиксил уже. Оно от libjs-jquery свежей зависит неявно.
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[12:32:38] огыешсук: novus42: а вы там миллионы записей держать пробовали? Шевелится?
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[12:33:10] огыешсук: это где то с десяток-другой гигабйт
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[12:49:35] novus42: придёт в аську наш евангелист дивана, я у него уточню, я сам - не пробовал.
[12:49:49] bobry: rentacoder такая помойка
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[12:50:22] bobry: написал им неделю назад письмо, мол комменты невозможно писать — даешь wysiwyg редактор хотя бы, ноль реакции
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[12:50:45] bobry: у них парсер все \n жрет просто, и сделать перенос только <br />
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[13:03:42] _lorien: есть аналоги ZeroClipboard (копирование в буфер обмена на флеше) - а то больно глючное поделие
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[14:05:34] novus42: снова вопрос про бота. когда я захожу в конференцию, бот читает все сообщения и исполняет все команды которые были до его последнего входа. этот список где-то можно обнулять?
[14:05:55] cutwater: этот список можно не запрашивать
[14:05:58] cutwater: почитай спеку по XMPP
[14:06:04] novus42: ок, спасибо
[14:06:25] cutwater: и да еще один бот не нужен
[14:06:33] cutwater: на чем кстати пишешь?
[14:07:34] novus42: на питоне с xmpppy, пишу чтобы потренироваться с Питон и XMPP, не более того.
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[14:10:49] vgavro: готовишь дркга для silent_bob?
[14:10:58] vgavro: :-D
[14:11:10] vgavro: видишь ему скушно, хочет с кем-то пообщаться
[14:11:14] novus42: нихт, для другой конфочки)
[14:11:47] novus42: пока он у меня только ловит !php и в ответ пишет "какашка"
[14:11:53] vgavro: :-D
[14:12:24] vgavro: silent_bob, php?
[14:12:44] vgavro: мудрый ответ
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[14:13:25] vgavro: особенно если учесть что у меня сегодня д.р., это пони мне нравится все больше и больше :-)
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[14:15:29] cutwater: хм...
[14:15:49] cutwater: вообще правильный бот это хорошо и полезно
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[14:15:56] cutwater: особенно с нормальным веб интерфейсом к логам
[14:16:06] cutwater: и аутентификацией, чтобы логи анально огородить
[14:16:26] nmk: о. xa4a логи починил :)
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[14:19:43] xa4a: я так и не прикрутил umask правильный на каталоги с логами :( приходится в начале каждого месяца на новые папочки права выдаать)
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[14:20:02] nmk: ох. ну. забей хоть в крон. :)
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[14:22:32] nmk: а у кого-нибудь тут стоит arch linux?
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[14:28:20] bobry: у меня стоит
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[14:29:23] nmk: говно? :) вики то я смотрю у них хорошая. почти как у генту была, пока не наебнулась
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[14:29:35] bobry: меня пока все устраивает :)
[14:29:43] bobry: с генту сравнить не могу ибо не пробовал
[14:29:47] bobry: а что случилось с гентушной вики?
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[14:30:18] nmk: наебнулась в один момент. я правда потом по некторым причинам слез с генты и больше не следил как там что
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[14:32:19] bobry: а бекапы О_О
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[14:32:59] nmk: люди, как известно делятся на две категории. кто бекапит и кто еще не бекапит. они тогда были во второй. :)
[14:33:10] nmk: если я все правильно помню и не пизжу :)
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[14:35:30] mishok13: гентушнеки не бекапят
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[14:40:18] nmk: 2008-10-27 New Wiki
Recently Gentoo-Wiki lost it's database,
[14:40:40] nmk: но бэкапы говорят были
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[14:43:26] xa4a: только кто что стыпить упсел
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[14:48:51] deepwalker: это по каковски?
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[14:49:02] deepwalker: ааа
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[14:49:27] novus42: ступить успел? или стырить успел?
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[14:50:21] bobry: /me только щас понял что adobe больше не поддерживает x86_64 плеер под linux
[14:50:38] xa4a: стырить успел
[14:50:49] xa4a: или из гуглокеша втащить
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[15:02:59] wiz: bobry, чочо?
[15:03:37] bobry: да flashplugin под x86_64 не обновляется больше
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[15:04:02] vgavro: да я что-то не догнал этого прикола про адобе, то сперва сделали бетку, которая работала еще медленнее чем 32-битная версия через прослойку совместимости, а теперь вообще болт забили
[15:04:06] cybergrind is now online
[15:04:17] vgavro: и какие перспективы?
[15:04:33] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
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[15:08:32] bobry: у чего? флеша?
[15:08:38] vgavro: ну да
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[15:09:23] vgavro: вот и адобе тоже самое - молчит :-D
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[15:10:25] bobry: да ну, какие там перспективы
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[15:19:46] deepwalker: перспектива одна - кто-то сделает свой плагин, с блекджеком и тп
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[15:22:22] vgavro: да куча сильвер-лайтов и других альтернатив. просто адобе так жестко болтит на этот свой продукт, который вроде-как дефакто стандарт для мультимедиа в интернете, вместо того что-б его развивать, что у меня это искренне вызывает удивление.
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[15:23:43] vgavro: а методом обратной разработки написать свой плагин, с блекджеком и шлюхами, который бы читал флеш, очевидно не так просто, раз этого нормально никто не сделал. был же вроде подобный проект, да заглох.
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[15:25:28] vgavro: короче для меня эта тенденция - загадка. понятно что на смену должна прийти какая-то открытая альтернатива флешу, и флеш должен уйти в историю, только на это уйдет минимум лет 5, и пока этой альтернативы нет...
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[15:25:42] vgavro: request for comment
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[15:25:53] vgavro: что думаешь, silent_bob?
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[15:34:40] bobry: ну сравнивая с ps / ai и компанией, надо думать
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[15:37:56] avida: может, адоб хочет закрыть проект со временем
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[15:42:24] bobry: /me очень на это надеется
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[16:36:51] slav0nic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOvAuws41pw
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[17:41:13] creitve: вечер
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[17:51:48] creitve: скажите, ведь можно написать логику приложения на питоне, а потом прикрутить gui от pyqt?
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[18:02:56] creitve: спасибо
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[19:06:54] creitve: есть специалисты по git?
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[19:34:58] creitve: а как скормить sqlite шифрованную des строку, если он пишет конвертить в юникод, а юникод отказывается конвертить?
[19:35:13] creitve: bobry есть идеи?
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[19:35:51] bobry: creitve, что значит unicode отказывается конвертить?
[19:36:11] creitve: unicode(encPass)
[19:36:13] creitve: трейс
[19:36:37] creitve: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf8' codec can't decode byte 0xa2 in position 12: unexpected code byte
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[19:41:40] bobry: а принципиально des то кодировать?
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[19:44:08] creitve: нет
[19:44:20] creitve: просто в стандартной либе я хз что выбрать)
[19:44:34] creitve: посоветуй какой-нибудь алгоритм с закрытым ключом
[19:44:56] bobry: ох, надо с закрытым ключем
[19:45:13] bobry: а чего md5(pwd + salt) уже не модно?
[19:45:32] bobry: или md5(md5(pwd) + salt)
[19:45:40] bobry: ну ты понял
[19:45:56] bobry: для пароля то шо еще нужно
[19:46:22] Sevenov: sha1
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[19:47:12] bobry: ну лана, sha1
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[19:47:23] bobry: суть от этого не меняется
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[19:50:45] creitve: это же хеш
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[19:52:00] bobry: унт?
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[19:52:15] creitve: а мне надо обратимо
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[19:52:28] creitve: чтобы пароли хранить
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[19:53:02] bobry: не понял логики — зачем тебе обратимо для паролей?
[19:53:03] creitve: в браузере который пароли запоминает, они наверное тоже обратимо зашифрованы)
[19:53:22] creitve: потому что я передаю пароли в 3 точку
[19:53:29] creitve: они для доступа к сайту
[19:54:20] bobry: я кстати не знаю как они в браузере хранятся, надо думать что обратимо
[19:54:44] creitve: ну вот
[19:54:53] creitve: у меня похожая ситуация
[19:55:13] gigimon: creitve: des выкини
[19:55:17] gigimon: не секурно
[19:55:23] gigimon: blowfish тогда уж
[19:55:30] gigimon: или если пароли короткие то aes
[19:55:31] creitve: окей, почитаю
[19:55:44] creitve: в пароле 12 символов
[19:55:50] gigimon: ну тогда любой
[19:55:52] gigimon: по скорости
[19:56:09] creitve: спасибо!
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[20:07:22] creitve: неа, не робит, ни blowfish ни AES
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[20:08:01] gigimon: переведи его в циферки
[20:09:16] creitve: ну unicode() я юзаю, если ты про это
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[20:19:24] gigimon: строку в hex
[20:19:30] gigimon: я когда то так делал
[20:19:44] gigimon: потом это передавал по сети, конвертил обратно и декодировал
[20:21:17] creitve: мм
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[20:22:19] creitve: TypeError: hex() argument can't be converted to hex
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[20:34:16] xa4a: хм
[20:34:23] xa4a: а diveintopython.org - мёртв?
[20:34:56] xa4a: Updated 20 May 2004
[20:35:37] xa4a: /me уже думал было поконтрибутить туда перевод
[20:36:35] _lorien: IE умри, умри, умри
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[20:37:07] gigimon: xa4a: какой-то другой был с переводом его
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[20:37:59] _lorien: http://diveinto.python.ru/toc.html
[20:38:38] bobry: xa4a, пилгрим вроде про 3й пишет уже?
[20:38:51] xa4a: да
[20:38:59] bobry: _lorien, ты просто еще не видел IE9!
[20:39:05] xa4a: я 3-го не знаю :)
[20:39:23] bobry: пришло время учить :D
[20:40:00] xa4a: вот же! получилось бы социально-полезное чтение доки)
[20:40:03] _lorien: Где в буржуйнете можно поискать заказы на парсеры, граберы?
[20:40:20] xa4a: _lorien: odesk же
[20:40:36] _lorien: А ещё?
[20:41:00] bobry: rentacoder.com / freelancer.com
[20:41:16] bobry: правда оба гм, ...
[20:41:42] bobry: по крайней мере по сравнению с одеской
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[20:43:26] _lorien: да уж
[20:45:26] bobry: был еще eufreelance или как то так
[20:45:30] bobry: но тоже не ахти
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[20:46:32] _lorien: да их много таких, но там мне кажется, люди каки-то... жмоты
[20:46:42] creitve: так что, это нормально что AES выдаёт строку, которую не получается ни в hex ни в unicode закодировать?
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[20:46:54] bobry: _lorien, люди везде жмоты :)
[20:47:03] xa4a: creitve: как выдаёт?
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[20:47:20] creitve: TypeError: hex() argument can't be converted to hex
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[20:51:45] creitve: так что, тут мой косяк или как?
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[20:53:52] creitve: ладно, спрошу на stack
[20:53:57] _lorien: ммм, нашёл простенькое задание на одеске, закину удочку
[20:55:31] xa4a: creitve: твой, видимо)
[20:55:40] xa4a: как ты получаешь это некодируемое?
[20:56:11] creitve: 7 строк кода сюда?
[20:56:17] creitve: 8
[20:56:33] bobry: ну давай
[20:56:38] creitve: def encPass(login, password):
keyPhr=os.environ['HOME']+login
hashObj = hashlib.md5()
hashObj.update(keyPhr)
keyPhr=hashObj.hexdigest()
keyObj=AES.new(keyPhr)
encPwd=keyObj.encrypt(password+'pssd')
return encPwd
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[20:57:19] _lorien: действительно 8
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[20:57:41] _lorien: 8 не pep-8 строк )
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[20:58:03] bobry: :D
[20:58:06] cutwater: ололо
[20:58:12] cutwater: штоэта
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[20:59:54] creitve: вот то что в return и не хочет кодиться в hex и unicode
[21:00:11] xa4a: NameError: global name 'AES' is not defined
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[21:01:12] _lorien: вау, регулярное выражение за 8$ то что надо )
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[21:01:47] creitve: xa4a from Crypto.Cipher import AES
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[21:03:44] bobry: _lorien, щас там за $1 набежит
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[21:04:06] xa4a: creitve: хз.
[21:04:11] _lorien: я написал, что у меня выражения нет, но если он 100% предоплаты сделает, то я напишу )
[21:04:28] bobry: в стиле freelance.ru *уже написал*
[21:04:59] xa4a: _lorien, а что там за рв?
[21:05:11] xa4a: давай линк :DD
[21:05:55] _lorien: рв, что это?
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[21:06:37] gigimon: регулярное выражение вестимо
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[21:07:00] _lorien: http://www.odesk.com/applications/9921568
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[21:07:38] _lorien: я помню на рентакодере написал "I can do it" и мне отдали заказ :)
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[21:08:36] _lorien: зря я линку дал, ща вы будете конкурировать со мной за этот заказа :D
[21:08:42] _lorien: демпинговать будете :D
[21:09:21] xa4a: на апликейшн не нужен линк
[21:09:32] xa4a: на офер)
[21:09:36] xa4a: не, линк ваще не нужен
[21:09:42] xa4a: задание какое интересно)
[21:10:31] _lorien: ой, я чё-то не то дал, да? ща посмотрю
[21:10:48] _lorien: http://www.odesk.com/jobs/~~2e389358238f3d60
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[21:17:17] _lorien: Erlang ejabber
Необходимо поправить несколько строк в коде ejabber
прикольное задание на free-lance.ru - сто баков обещают )
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[21:17:26] _lorien: http://www.free-lance.ru/projects/?pid=472425
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[21:20:07] bobry: никогда не любиь free-lance.ru
[21:20:15] bobry: зачем постить проект без формулировки задания
[21:20:17] bobry: какой вообще смысл
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[21:23:38] _lorien: сделать програмы
нужны программы! типа учет клиентов. 2 шт.
тогда тебе понравится это :)))
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[21:24:41] bobry: /me не получил ни одного заказа на .ru фриланс биржах
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[21:31:42] _lorien: free-lance.ru вообще маразматический сайт, там ограниченное кол-во бесплатных заявок на проекты, потом надо за деньги докупать
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[21:32:01] _lorien: я не знаю, появляются ли новые заявки со временем, не удивлюсь, если нет
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[21:33:50] _lorien: некоторые заказчики указывают icq или мыло, тогда можно просто туда писать
[21:34:49] creitve: так вопрос первый
[21:34:55] creitve: мне на мою проблему ответили
[21:34:56] creitve: You can use buffer and insert the encPwd as a blob.
[21:35:13] creitve: расшифруйте хотя бы, как это гуглить. или просто расшифруйте.
[21:36:03] _lorien: http://www.google.ru/search?hl=ru&newwindow=1&q=encPwd+blob+python&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= быстро гугл работает :D
[21:36:23] creitve: ага
[21:36:35] _lorien: creitve, ну ты уточни у того чувака, раз не понял
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[21:36:59] creitve: ладно сейчас по терминам пройдусь
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[21:38:13] _lorien: чё-то я не пойму, в рунете есть нормальный сервис поиска по всем сразу фрилансбиржам?
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[21:38:34] creitve: угу
[21:38:48] xa4a: на неделе где-то видел линк
[21:38:56] xa4a: на хабре?
[21:39:45] creitve: угу
[21:39:56] creitve: именно, только не на неделе а месяц где назад
[21:40:17] creitve: нашёл
[21:40:35] _lorien: ну я знаю flance.ru ну он какой-то уёбищный
[21:40:45] creitve: http://harumambu.ru/
[21:41:05] creitve: этот?)
[21:41:12] _lorien: во, там сразу форма поиска, это уже гуд )
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[21:54:30] огыешсук: /me разочаровался в фрилансинге, возни много, платят мало, перспективы мутные; уж лучше своих saas`ов и прочих фремиумов понаделать... где бы ещё на всё это время взять
[21:55:28] bobry: возни очень много, увы
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[21:59:00] Sevenov: огыешсук, со своими саасами тоже перспективы мутные.
[21:59:04] Sevenov: и возни много
[21:59:17] Sevenov: и платят не всегда хорошо
[21:59:24] Sevenov: а затраты большие
[21:59:59] xa4a: и надо сейлсов, чтобы до ума довести
[22:00:07] огыешсук: зато прибыль может быть дольше. сильно дольше
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[22:02:23] Sevenov: xa4a, да.
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[22:02:40] Sevenov: огыешсук, без хорошего бюджета, это слишком большой риск.
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[22:02:53] Sevenov: в россии к саасу относятся очень плохо, с недоверием.
[22:03:05] gigimon: делай не российский )
[22:03:23] Sevenov: директоров особенно пугает то, что данные хранятся "у кого-то там"
[22:03:43] bobry: кто-то там придет и заберет все данные «у кого то там»
[22:03:46] bobry: как у нас бывает
[22:03:58] bobry: и сервера еще заберет
[22:05:03] Sevenov: Не. ФСБ придёт отбирать в фирму, заберет роутер, потому что больше нечего.
[22:06:31] _lorien: ПРосто из офиса всех выгонят и посадят нового директора и персонал
[22:06:35] _lorien: Чо зря серверы носить
[22:06:50] gigimon: скажите, а как в XPath указать для поиска текст? типа есть <strong>текст</strong>? надо найти все стронг с текст=текст
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[22:07:19] Sevenov: То есть фсб настолько суровы, что вместо того, чтобы выносить серверы, просто занимают этот офис? Норм.
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[22:07:32] огыешсук: Sevenov: ой, про бизнес в россии я вообще не говорю
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[22:08:06] Sevenov: огыешсук, делая для запада, нужно отлично зать им менталитет, взгляды, нужны, законы.
[22:08:10] Sevenov: иначе, шлак.
[22:08:55] bobry: gigimon, /path/to/something/text() = "something" если я не путаю
[22:09:02] gigimon: а блин
[22:09:05] bobry: [text() = ]
[22:09:06] bobry: т.е.
[22:09:12] gigimon: bobry: дада, завтыкал, чет через @ подумал
[22:09:16] gigimon: перепутал с другим
[22:09:19] bobry: kk
[22:09:23] огыешсук: Sevenov: и опять же не про проекты с миллионными оборотами я говорю, достаточно килобакса-другого-третьего-четвертого в месяц, чтобы отвязаться от своего локейшена и самолично поездить по миру, поизучать оный менталитет; а небольшие проекты по идее недорого и поднимать
[22:10:34] огыешсук: Sevenov: а делая для россии нужно быть всегда готовым, что если бизнес станет шибко прибыльным, то к тебе придут и бизнес приберут, ага
[22:11:06] Sevenov: огыешсук, да.
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[22:12:40] огыешсук: и получаются таки дикие штуки, когда владелец бизнеса создательно портит свою бизнес модель, чтобы не дай бог не получить прибыли больше некоего предела
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[22:12:56] _lorien: пойду спать, ведите себя прилично, пока меня нет, со спичками не играйте, в аптечку не лазьте
[22:12:57] огыешсук: а геморроя, соответственно, меньше
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[22:22:36] non3x st: огыешсук, не знаю как в России, в некоторых странах это еще обусловлено налогами и тем что при определенном типе ИП нельзя превышать некие установленные лимиты прибыли =)
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[22:27:21] огыешсук: /me думает уволиться нафиг с основной работы и полгода посвятить подобным проектикам
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[22:29:52] non3x st: если есть идеи/возможности - это правильно :)
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[22:34:03] огыешсук: идей можно генерить по штуке в час, это дешевый товар; основная проблема это воплощение, кое требует зело большего времени
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[22:37:13] non3x st: огыешсук, я не согласен. Ты их конечно можешь генерить (что врядли, на 2й день ты выдохнешься). И даже реализовывать. Но даже при самой отличной реализации большинство идей не «выстрелит» =)
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[22:38:28] огыешсук: само собой, но во первых будет опыт, а во вторых некоторые таки выстрелят (особенно когда появится опыт), а как я выше писал -- для начала достаточно едениц килобаксов дохода, что суть довольно скромный и вполне достижимый для каждого уровень
[22:39:38] non3x st: ну проблема еще в том что начальных капиталов не хватит на реализацию всех идей, следовательно вероятность того что они все выстрелят снижается. Потому что реализованы будут еденицы :)
[22:40:58] non3x st: огыешсук, одна, в самом начале. Если совсем реалистами быть.
[22:41:14] огыешсук: достаточно одной с указанным уровнем дохода, за те полгода-год, что можно протянуть без дохода вообще
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[22:42:37] огыешсук: если не слишком лениться, то можно оформлять по проектику в месяц
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[22:43:00] огыешсук: итого более десятка попыток с растущим опытом
[22:43:07] non3x st: ну если ты можешь протянуть без дохода вообще полгода-год, и при этом работать и тянуть идею/идеи - остается только за тебя порадоваться :)
[22:43:46] огыешсук: Любой может, я думаю. Если, конечно, в своей квартире живёт и может годик потерпеть без ресторанов и прочих излишеств.
[22:44:08] non3x st: это оптимальное развитие ситуации. Очень.
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[23:11:20] Sevenov: >Количество просмотров страниц этого сайта: 5 797
>* 3 716 Уникальные просмотры
[23:11:23] Sevenov: за сутки :3
[23:11:42] gigimon: Sevenov: твой сайт?
[23:11:45] Sevenov: твитор творит чудеса
[23:11:53] Sevenov: gigimon, да так, минипроектик
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[23:12:03] gigimon: фигасе
[23:12:04] gigimon: мини
[23:12:06] gigimon: ссылке?
[23:12:14] Sevenov: не дам :3
[23:12:19] gigimon: жадина
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[23:12:24] Sevenov: доделаю - дам
[23:12:25] gigimon: порно наверно
[23:12:30] Sevenov: ага
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[23:12:46] Sevenov: гуглорекламу повесить и копеечка будет.
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[23:15:26] creitve: такие нет ни у кого инвайта на хабр?
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[23:15:36] creitve: *таки
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[23:16:35] bobry: creitve, таки хабр гниловат
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[23:17:17] non3x st: creitve, за сколько купишь? =))
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[23:18:29] bobry: ого, деловые предложения пошли
[23:20:09] gigimon: а в xpath несколько условий можно объединить?
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[23:22:14] gigimon: ага, можно
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[23:46:38] creitve: да не торт я знаю
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[23:47:13] creitve: зато там есть плюшки конкурсы
[23:47:26] deepwalker: какие конкурсы?
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[23:47:38] creitve: да постоянно в комментах чтот объявляют
[23:47:39] deepwalker: там из плюшек кармодрочество и тупые ухлопаны
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[23:47:57] deepwalker: *ненависть!
[23:48:00] creitve: )
[23:48:15] deepwalker: какие только клоуны не выползают
[23:48:34] creitve: значит нету
[23:48:40] deepwalker: особенно не забуду утака, который торнадо с ноде сравнивал, и вызывал в торнадо блокирующий сли п
[23:48:51] deepwalker: я просто из под стола еле вылез поначалу
[23:49:04] deepwalker: но из дискуссии выснилось что он конкретно трудный ухлопан
[23:49:18] deepwalker: а из кармадрочества, что не только он
[23:50:05] deepwalker: еще глядя на карму тела по прозвищу alizar, я совсем уж в удивлении пребываю
[23:50:24] deepwalker: там даже мельком проглядывая его писульки волосы шевелиться начинают
[23:50:31] deepwalker: но ухлопаны хабра хавают
[23:51:02] creitve: есть альтернативы?
[23:51:09] deepwalker: а то, HN
[23:51:16] deepwalker: reddiit
[23:51:41] deepwalker: только туда инвайта не надо, гатство
[23:51:57] огыешсук: HN?
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[23:52:06] deepwalker: хакерньюсы же
[23:52:19] creitve: ну хз, я за 2-3 года к хабру привык
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[23:52:37] creitve: он какойт тёплый чтоле, пусть и оброс троллями и кармадрочерами
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[23:52:55] deepwalker: ycombinator.com
[23:53:14] deepwalker: да ну просто там мало ценных кадров
[23:53:25] deepwalker: ради которых стоило бы там тусить
[23:53:47] deepwalker: у меня вот в этой уютной комнатке больше полезного
[23:53:58] bobry: HN намного содержательней хабра
[23:54:05] bobry: и публика там адекватней
[23:54:15] gigimon: а что за HN? ссылку дайте
[23:54:16] deepwalker: слишком даже я бы сказал содержателен : )
[23:54:25] bobry: gigimon, news.ycombinator.com
[23:54:30] deepwalker: http://news.ycombinator.com/
[23:54:35] deepwalker: ссылку же : )
[23:54:41] gigimon: а
[23:54:45] bobry: deepwalker, ну дык есть же еще Hacker Monthly
[23:54:49] gigimon: спс)
[23:54:50] bobry: поток сообщений там и в правду ого
[23:54:57] bobry: кто нить в техе шарит?
[23:55:05] bobry: я тут застрял конкретно
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