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[02:07:15] SmartMan: test.py chmod 500
[02:08:07] SmartMan: wget 178.162.146.99/cgi-bin/test.py
ошибка 500
[02:08:56] SmartMan: Мля
[02:09:38] SmartMan: МимО запостил :-[
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[10:05:56] cutwater: товарищи
[10:05:59] cutwater: приветствую
[10:06:14] cutwater: _lorien: ты здесь? вопрос хотел бы обсудить меня интересующий
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[10:09:53] cutwater: да я тут разбирался с концепциями этих всех flask и django и прочих фреймворков. меня вот собственно интересует правильный дизайн и архитектура
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[10:11:04] cutwater: к примеру в джанге проект полностью управляется декларативно, то есть как бы сам проект находится под управлением фреймворка.
[10:11:31] cutwater: в фласке, мы интанцируем объект фреймворка, и явно его конфигурируем
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[10:12:00] cutwater: и опять таки что в плане дизайна более правильно urlconf в одном месте или @app.route декоратор к вьюхе, как думаешь?
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[10:12:20] cutwater: просто размышляю а как в идеале все это должно выглядеть для пользователя удобно
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[10:12:48] cutwater: но и явно, ибо понять как джанго работает без закапывания в код нельзя.
[10:14:37] _lorien: Мне нравится когда урлы в одном месте, может быть просто привычки, кроме джанги я особо ничего не использовал продолжительное время. Пытался сваргу юзать - не нашёл документации. Пытался свой фреймворк писать - куча велосипедов делать с нуля.
[10:15:04] _lorien: Сколько людей - столько мнений. Видимо, каждый юзает то, что ему больше по душе.
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[10:15:28] cutwater: в принципе я согласен. когда урлы в одном месте не надо грепать по проекту, и искать где же автор его засунуть
[10:16:01] cutwater: была даже идея во втором варианте добавить комманду, для генерации карты урлов =)
[10:16:27] cutwater: кстати _lorien как считаешь, нужен ли неявный маппинг?
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[10:16:50] cutwater: ну то есть если роут не указан, по дефолту иметь /controller/view
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[10:17:35] _lorien: Мне не нравится, в большом проекте, думаю, зло.
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[10:21:23] cutwater: кстати, ты никогда рельсы не смотрел?
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[10:23:23] _lorien: я хотел, но сначала стал смотреть ruby и он мне не понравился, но это давно было... 3-4 года назад
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[10:43:49] Tony: кто знает есть ли в bottle реверс урлов?
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[11:55:55] bobry: _lorien, на вопрос о биржах http://boxmodeljunkie.com/the-ultimate-freelance-job-board-list-2010/
[11:56:10] bobry: Tony, public хелпера нету afaik
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[11:57:59] _lorien: bobry, спасиб, повтыкаю
[11:58:18] bobry: guru может стоит потыкать — он типа одеска, и elance
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[15:06:24] gf: я здесь уже эту задачу спрашивал, но так ее и не победил.. создал тему на форуме: http://python.su/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=54630
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[15:13:59] nott: (1/array1)*array2 ?
[15:14:05] nott: иначе яничего не понимаю.
[15:14:38] nott: в любом случае, numpy поможет
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[16:06:48] _lorien: а где пиранья?
[16:06:55] _lorien: и муркт
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[16:11:47] bobry: комраден, xmonad юзеров нет случаем?
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[16:21:38] _lorien: /me бывший
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[16:22:17] bobry: блин, у меня там код не работает, спросил в #xmonad и в xmonad@c.j.r — все молчат
[16:22:25] bobry: _lorien, бывшых юзеров xmonad не бывает
[16:23:54] _lorien: я теперь awesome пользователь, причём конфиг ваще не правил, юзаю стандартный
[16:24:05] _lorien: тут и трей сразу и русские буквы оно понимает )
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[16:24:14] _lorien: ну может xmonad уже научился..
[16:24:31] _lorien: оно показывал иероглифы, когда в заголовке окна были рубуквы
[16:24:42] bobry: _lorien, там compile time флаг есть
[16:24:44] bobry: для utf
[16:25:41] bobry: я сидел на awesome до первого падения от синтаксических ошибок в конфиге
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[16:25:49] bobry: потом не выдержал — вернулся на xmonad
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[16:43:24] _lorien: compile flag... на дебилиане я, не люблю компилять ничо, накомпилился уже во freebsd, а потом генте )
[16:43:48] bobry: уверен что на дебиане уже все собрано с утф
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[18:48:14] Typhon: а чочо с уа.пайконом то? регистрацию перенесли и все равно нету? есть кто в курсе? :)
[18:49:11] bobry: а на какое ее перенесли та?
[18:49:19] bobry: ваще, три недели опаздания чета перебор
[18:50:21] Typhon: с 1го на 15ое ранняя пташка
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[20:57:55] _lorien: кто-нить курил gevent? не пойму как одну хрень сделать, короче я хочу юзать gevent.pool.Pool не пойму как в реальном времени получать результаты и что-то делать с ними
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[20:58:20] _lorien: есть spawn_link() но судя по коду она линкует гринлет отспавленный на текущий гринлет, я не врублюсь чо это ваще даёт
[20:59:10] _lorien: http://dumpz.org/21736/ вот код, который чичас хавает мой мозг
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[22:39:56] creitve: вечер
[22:40:38] creitve: скажите, я правильно понял, что .ui файл из pyqt дизайнера превращается в .py и затем импортится? куда импортится?
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[22:42:50] cutwater: creitve: очевидно туда, где ты его хочешь использовать
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[22:45:13] creitve: окей погуглю стандартную структуру приложения
[22:45:18] creitve: в этом пробел
[22:45:20] creitve: спасибо))
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[22:48:01] creitve: кстати каков ваш взгляд на версию питона? какую юзать?
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[22:57:04] cutwater: creitve: а есть выбор? разве pyqt поддерживает python 3 ?
[22:57:10] cutwater: ну собственно вот и ответ
[22:57:25] creitve: я не в данном случае
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[22:57:38] creitve: а понятно, значит тройка не прижилась еще. спасибо.
[22:58:06] cutwater: ну как видишь под нее еще мало что есть из распространенных пакетов
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[22:58:37] creitve: ясно, я так и прочёл в книгах, а вот уже на 2 мана наткнулся по 3шке
[22:58:45] creitve: ну значит остаюсь на 2.6
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[23:08:13] _lorien: кто-нить знает, как awstats определяет visit duration?
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[23:08:21] _lorien: чё-то как-то в сорцы неохото лезть, тем более перловые
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[23:14:44] огыешсук: небось от первого до последнего вхождения данного IP с максимальной паузой в полчаса
[23:15:33] _lorien: $ wc -l awstats.pl
19673 awstats.pl
о да
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[23:16:15] _lorien: ну фиг его знает... там у него ротация 0-30sec, 30sec-20mm и т.д.
[23:16:35] _lorien: я сделал запрос морды сайта с внеш. реферором и потом морды сайта с рефом равным морде, ему чё-то пофиг
[23:16:49] _lorien: пишет в строчке unknown два визита
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[23:21:31] огыешсук: если там нет доков, то брось бяку
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[23:43:01] creitve: в каких случаях использование ООП явно лишнее?
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[23:48:11] deepwalker: общий такой вопрос, да
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[23:48:30] xa4a: когда без ооп кода меньше
[23:48:42] xa4a: и сущностей
[23:49:24] xa4a: ещё так:
[23:49:35] xa4a: когда так подсказывает делать конструктивный рационализм
[23:50:00] creitve: ясно, то есть тупо делать класс если будет создан только 1 экземпляр на время работы?
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[23:55:20] creitve: в общем я понял, спасибо
[23:55:35] creitve: надо просто до конца модель сделать
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[23:56:43] xa4a: объекты = инкапсуляция состояния
[23:56:56] xa4a: если есть необходимость - юзай
[23:57:05] xa4a: нет - не юзай
[23:57:27] creitve: окей, я видимо прост малоопытен и не знаю есть ли необходимость) само придёт
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