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[01:50:59] deepwalker: подскажите какую нибудь флешину тупую, чтобы проигрывать файлики на вебе
[01:51:03] deepwalker: mp3+wav
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[01:52:08] deepwalker: chrome wav играть не умеет /me не просто так сказать в удивлении, /me в акуе
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[01:52:41] deepwalker: не, Gl безусловно важнее, чем всякие пошлые тулзы для сертификатов и тп
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[01:56:01] Darkman87SA: Подскажите пожалуйста:
как запустить скрипт написаный на питоне с аргументом, так чтоб потом его использовать в скрипте
sys.argv[1] помогает, но программу без аргумента использовать уже не получается?
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[01:58:34] deepwalker: ну можно же проверить, сколько там элементов в списке
[01:58:58] deepwalker: а лучше все такие использовать что-нибудь для командной строки
[01:59:07] deepwalker: opster там например
[02:01:08] Darkman87SA: deepwalker, блин точно, спс
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[02:35:11] creitve: внутри конструктора класс можно использовать его методы?
[02:35:22] creitve: описанные в том же классе?
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[02:36:49] creitve: так ладно это всё сам гуглить буду
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[02:49:42] Sevenov: А проверить сложно?
[02:49:48] Sevenov: Блин.
[02:50:07] Sevenov: /me иногда тоже хочет спросить какую нибудь глупость, но какую не знает.
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[02:53:19] Sevenov: О! Придумал. Как может быть нечётное кол-во данных в бд, когда две некие сущности записывают туда данные при любых обстоятельствах?
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[02:53:29] Sevenov: >нечётное
[02:53:32] Sevenov: Брбрбр
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[05:13:47] gf: какая функция в numpy вычисляет детерминант матрицы?
[05:15:22] gf: numpy.linalg.det()
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[08:26:42] wiz: коменты к коду рулят... особенно с утра, к коду пары месяцев давности. жаль что я их тогда не написал
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[09:11:42] gf: я все таки догнал алгоритм решения линейных уравнений по Крамеру.. :)
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[09:13:28] gf: но вот есть вопросы по коду для этого алгоритма..
[09:13:48] gf: http://bpaste.net/show/8951/
[09:13:57] gf: http://bpaste.net/show/8952/
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[09:16:34] gf: прикол в том, что для mat2 (или mat1 - в зависимости от того, что я определяю последним) значение mat "испорчено"..
[09:17:06] gf: т.е. когда выполняются строки:
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[09:17:14] gf: >>> mat2 = mat
>>> mat2[1,:] = x2
>>> d2 = linalg.det(mat2)
[09:17:33] gf: mat уже не та, которая была до этих строк...
[09:17:43] gf: (это верно для http://bpaste.net/show/8951/)
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[09:19:20] wiz: делай копию
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[09:20:27] gf: wiz ээ? плиз, поподробнее..
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[09:23:41] wiz: mat2 = mat
[09:24:15] gf: wiz дак ведь именно это я и делаю..
[09:24:19] gf: нет?
[09:25:08] gf: gf ( 12:15:01 ): >>> mat2 = mat
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[09:25:18] wiz: нет
[09:26:11] wiz: http://www.scipy.org/Numpy_Example_List_With_Doc#head-f8b81dbece5116652ac7cd8ad57ca73268719f1d
[09:26:25] wiz: mat2 = Numpy.copy(mat)
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[10:23:59] gf: блин, все равно не работает..
[10:24:25] gf: linalg.dot вычисляет детерминант как: 2.975051727722247e+47
[10:24:44] gf: а MathCAD как: 297505172772227867074334053479246116730486769920
[10:24:57] gf: отсюда ошибки округления..
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[10:25:20] gf: как мне можно увеличить точность вычисления linalg.dot?
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[10:40:30] xa4a: gf, матрица целочисленная?
[10:40:53] xa4a: !g numpy matrix det integral error
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[10:42:29] gf: xa4a да, смотрю ссылку..
[10:42:47] xa4a: не, не смотри
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[10:42:54] xa4a: лучше эту http://www.algorithm.co.il/blogs/index.php/programming/python/computing-large-determinants-in-python/
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[10:43:14] gf: ok
[10:43:26] xa4a: матрицы большие?
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[10:44:33] xa4a: если не большие - ручками по минорам расписать :)
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[10:58:18] gf: xa4a матрица 6x6
[10:58:45] xa4a: ну там сложность, написано, n! если минорами
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[11:10:04] gf: xa4a этих матриц, в перспективе, будет около 20-ти.. поэтому: лучше за три дня научиться летать, а потом за минуту долететь.. (с)
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[11:12:49] wiz: а прогонкой какой-нибудь пробовал?
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[11:15:55] nott: gf а код linalg.dot смотрел?
[11:16:04] nott: linalg.det*
[11:16:06] gf: nott нет
[11:16:15] xa4a: по ссылке написано, что там L-U
[11:16:32] nott: там код на сях или обертка на питоне?
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[11:17:02] nott: что там LU-разложение, я и не сомневался. вопрос - насолько сложно его под свои нужды подогнать :)
[11:17:43] gf: linalg.det считает: 297505172772224696122166667766034028695742578688
mathcad считает: 297505172772227867074334053479246116730486769920
[11:18:06] gf: подскажете куда дальше копать? :-\
[11:18:18] xa4a: import mathcad :)
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[11:18:36] gf: т.е. хрена ли они по разному детерминант высчитывают..
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[11:19:08] gf: xa4a они, сука, проприетарщики..
[11:19:16] xa4a: octave
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[11:21:27] gf: ок, пока другим надо заняться.. спасибо за советы..
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[13:29:39] Typhon: !wtf regroup
[13:30:08] Typhon: да мне хочется посмотреть, который тут :) резюме проверяю, смотрю, не отсюда ли
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[13:43:00] wiz: хоспаде, кто вечно этот ужасный итертулс показывает
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[13:46:30] xa4a: wiz: дык исправь же
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[13:53:13] bobry: wiz, такая реализация не буит работать с итераторами
[13:53:23] bobry: хотя тьфу, в docstring и написано же list
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[13:54:03] wiz: зато она не будет вылетать при evil value
[13:54:07] wiz: и жрать сотни памяти
[13:54:22] wiz: потерпи до пятницы, обсудим... опять (=
[13:54:48] bobry: D:
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[16:19:39] gigimon: подскажите, а что в эксепшине except IOError, e: значит e? если надо реагировать на пару эксепшенов, то их в скобки
[16:19:44] gigimon: чет в доке ен вижу упоминания такого
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[16:20:39] Typhon: экземпляр класса IOError
[16:20:55] Typhon: в нормальных версиях стоит писать Exception as e:
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[16:21:45] gigimon: ага
[16:21:50] gigimon: вот про as я понял
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[16:23:21] Typhon: http://docs.python.org/release/2.3.5/tut/node10.html#SECTION0010300000000000000000
[16:23:35] Typhon: вот тут, например, про старый вариант можно глянуть
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[16:28:33] gigimon: ох. а я в 2.6 ищу)
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[16:42:39] Sevenov: >Оказалось в Питоне с этим хитро. Есть изменяемые и неизменяемые переменные. Зависит от типа. Например, строки неизменяемый тип, а списки изменяемый

А мне всегда казалось, что списки, дикты и т.п. - это структуры данных, а не типы.
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[16:44:06] gigimon: Sevenov: ты не шаришь :)
[16:45:44] nott: >>> type(dict)
<type 'type'>
[16:46:28] bobry: лол
[16:46:42] bobry: nott, dict наследуется от object, получается что он и типа object, да?
[16:47:07] gigimon: Sevenov: а кстати фраза Есть изменяемые и неизменяемые переменные. - никак разум не мутит? даже мой
[16:47:20] gigimon: переменная на то и переменная
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[16:47:27] gigimon: неизвеняемое - константа
[16:47:28] gigimon: не?
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[16:47:45] deepwalker: переменная, это то шо буковкой пишется
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[16:48:42] _lorien: переменная это имя по которому мы получаем доступ к объекту
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[16:48:56] Sevenov: в переменной хранится ссылка.
[16:49:05] Sevenov: на что-то там
[16:49:13] _lorien: на сибирь
[16:49:19] Sevenov: которое может быть как мутабельно, так и нет.
[16:49:26] gigimon: ну ок)
[16:49:27] _lorien: о да, сибирь ещё как мутабельна
[16:49:33] deepwalker: вот относительно сибири по-моему разночтений не было в/на
[16:49:51] gigimon: deepwalker: на сибирь не тру звучит
[16:49:51] _lorien: не было - сделаем
[16:50:56] deepwalker: ага ага, кабинет министров гватемалы решит как правильно
[16:51:09] Sevenov: >Nexenta - это дистрибутив OpenSolaris, базирующийся на Ubuntu.

Это что за пиздец?
[16:51:28] bobry: да, странно
[16:51:32] bobry: у соляриса же свои пакеты та
[16:51:42] deepwalker: да просто ядро от соляры
[16:51:46] Sevenov: там солярное ядро
[16:51:48] gigimon: дальше почитайте
[16:51:49] deepwalker: а окружение гнутое
[16:51:52] gigimon: там и апт есть
[16:51:55] gigimon: угу
[16:52:03] Sevenov: всё равно срал блевал
[16:52:06] gigimon: они щас решают куда им, на дебиан или убунту
[16:52:28] deepwalker: так лицензия то какая, на ядро?
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[16:52:38] gigimon: а какая была у опенсоляры?
[16:52:51] Sevenov: Ага, и ядро будут брать из какой-то непонятной жопы типа лииоос какой-то или чота типа того.
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[16:52:58] gigimon: и ядро они вроде теперь брать будут с http://www.illumos.org/
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[16:55:25] Sevenov: http://html5boilerplate.com/ Еще один пиздец.
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[16:57:55] Sevenov:
[17:54 sevenov ~]% ps ax G gvim
27169 pts/0 R+ 0:00 grep gvim
29764 ? Ds 3:14 gvim .
[17:54 sevenov ~]% kill -9 29764
[17:54 sevenov ~]% kill -9 29764
[17:54 sevenov ~]% kill -9 29764
[17:54 sevenov ~]% kill -9 29764
[17:54 sevenov ~]% kill -9 29764
[17:54 sevenov ~]% ps ax G gvim
27176 pts/0 S+ 0:00 grep gvim
29764 ? Ds 3:14 gvim .
[16:58:12] Sevenov: vim 7.3 сделан на славу. Качественно так.
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[17:45:30] Sevenov: кагбэ есть reboot
[17:45:40] Sevenov: а sudo -- бред.
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[17:54:07] xa4a: как бы в джанго, запущенное под wsgi в апатче передать переменную окржуения из апача?
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[17:56:01] gigimon: скажите, а чтоб использовать для скачивания 1 Html странички с basic авторизацией помимо urllib2? он иногда глючит, т.к. страница 400 кб
[17:56:13] gigimon: он выдает иногда IncompleteRead: IncompleteRead(10007 bytes read)
[17:56:19] gigimon: при read
[17:56:58] xa4a: это глючит?
[17:57:10] xa4a: разве в нём нельзя дочитать оставшиеся?
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[17:58:39] gigimon: да, так он глючит
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[17:58:44] gigimon: а вот незнаю, смотрю доку
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[17:58:53] _lorien: может это сервер глючит?
[17:59:08] gigimon: ну в браузере проблем не было ни разу
[17:59:09] _lorien: ну ваще попытай счастья c pycurl
[17:59:18] gigimon: ок
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[18:00:21] Typhon: xa4a: http://groups.google.ca/group/django-users/browse_thread/thread/2bbfcabaca3a61b1 не то?
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[18:02:26] xa4a: Typhon: спасибо, почти. только мне бы это получить не во время реквеста, а при самом запуске wsgi - установить virtualenv
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[18:02:35] xa4a: похожу, я не в том направлении рою..
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[18:03:34] Typhon: про django + virtualenv проскакивает периодически в твиттере / рассылке всякое, если тебе это надо, гуглани :)
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[18:06:40] nott: xa4a как вариант можно запускать джангу под юзером, у которого в локальном site-packages все нужные тебе зависимости.
[18:06:41] _lorien: надо просто запустить джанго в virtualenv?
[18:07:12] xa4a: Typhon: вот гуглю, пока не фурычит нагугленное
[18:07:24] xa4a: _lorien: не просто, а под mod_wsgi
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[18:08:06] xa4a: да ещё так, чтобы путь к виртуалэнву писать в апач, а не в .wsgi желательно
[18:08:22] _lorien: xa4a, http://dumpz.org/21766/
[18:08:41] _lorien: а какая разница где писать?
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[18:08:50] xa4a: DIR = os.path.dirname(os.path.realpath(__file__))
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[18:09:10] xa4a: вот это конфигурабельно должно быть
[18:10:06] xa4a: а, ладно. пох. конфигурабельно сделаю в .wsgi.
[18:10:36] Typhon: открывай апачевский конфиг, парсь ^_^
[18:11:56] _lorien: xa4a, http://code.google.com/p/modwsgi/wiki/VirtualEnvironments#Process_Environments
[18:12:07] _lorien: python-path= - вроде оно
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[18:16:13] xa4a: не воркает чо-то
[18:16:41] Sevenov: gigimon, http://github.com/facebook/tornado/blob/master/tornado/httpclient.py#L360
[18:16:48] Sevenov: >auth_username=None, auth_password=None
[18:17:14] _lorien: если написано, должно воркать
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[18:17:50] gigimon: Sevenov: :)
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[18:18:57] Sevenov: Кстати, торнадо годный такой ман для pycurl
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[18:19:37] _lorien: Sevenov, ну как, помог reboot?
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[18:19:51] Sevenov: _lorien, а я не ребутился.
[18:20:53] _lorien: http://curl.haxx.se/libcurl/c/curl_easy_setopt.html я это как ман раньше юзал, но после написания grab давно уже не смотрел его опции
[18:20:53] remake: скажите, форум робит?
[18:21:28] _lorien: у меня там какие-то порнобанеры показываются
[18:21:52] remake: :) по таймауту отваливается
[18:21:59] _lorien: поломали наверное
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[18:22:43] Sevenov: о, я сегодня впервые столкнулся с http ошибкой 599.
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[18:23:02] Sevenov: До этого просто никогда не юзал настолько медленный интернет.
[18:23:05] _lorien: а она впервые столкнулась с семёновым :)
[18:23:14] Sevenov: но я её поборол, да.
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[19:15:34] _lorien: а какая софтина может ползущий график рисовать, мне нужно посмотреть, как канал загружается мой
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[19:37:59] bobry: [20:37:33] огыешсук: утро доброе
[19:38:01] bobry: :D
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[19:39:03] огыешсук: ну, я только что проснулся и готовлю себе завтрак -- значит утроо
[19:39:41] bobry: логично
[19:39:47] bobry: приятного аппетита в таком случае :)
[19:39:52] огыешсук: спасибо
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[20:18:59] _lorien: ни у кого под рукой списка рабочих прокисков нет?
[20:19:10] _lorien: проксиков
[20:19:35] _lorien: а прогу кстати нашёл - bwm-ng называется, в консоли показывает, сколько лезет через какой ифейс
[20:19:49] bobry: speedometer есть на urwid
[20:19:51] xa4a: trafshow?
[20:19:53] огыешсук: _lorien: у тебя тор поломался?
[20:20:38] _lorien: так, проги надо было говорить после того, как я вопрос задал, а не после того, как я сказал, что уже всё ок :D
[20:20:57] _lorien: огыешсук, у меня его и не было, мне надо скрипт потестировать на работе проксей
[20:21:28] xa4a: в питоне нет ничего типа python -m SimpleHTTPServer?
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[20:21:32] _lorien: я вот ещё думаю, как я пойму, прокся глючит или ресурс, который я запрашиваю (urllib2)
[20:21:49] xa4a: gj rjle jib,rb
[20:21:53] xa4a: !decode
[20:22:25] огыешсук: еуые
[20:22:28] огыешсук: !decode
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[20:22:57] ds.tihonov: _lorien: iftop и netstat -an inet тебе впомощь
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[20:23:34] _lorien: точно, по коду - это хорошая идея :)
[20:23:35] огыешсук: _lorien: купи себе немного webfaction`а или там ещё какого американца. Заодно будет американский IP что полезно (pandora радио там слушать или ещё зачем)
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[20:24:01] _lorien: ну у меня есть немного gandi.net во франции, но мне надо просто кучу проксей )
[20:24:56] xa4a: !g proxy list :)
[20:24:57] xa4a: /me пнул silent_bob
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[20:37:51] _lorien: да знаю я эти сайты, у меня где-то валяется скрипт, который парсит с кучи сайтов прокси, проверяет, просто думал, может у кого готовый список :)
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[20:41:08] огыешсук: по идее, у тебя
[20:41:43] огыешсук: /me тоже когда то писал подобный скрипт, но с появлением тора забросил, ибо баловство это, а тор -- рабочее решение. правда тормозное
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[20:42:46] _lorien: накопипастил ручками с proxy-list.org, буду ща тестить
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[20:46:51] Sevenov: >у меня где-то валяется скрипт, который парсит с кучи сайтов прокси,
И для этого юзает списки прокси.
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[20:47:57] _lorien: нет не юзает
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[20:49:06] _lorien: пипец мне urllib2 мозг выкашивает, вот например opener я сделал, добавил ему proxy_handler с проксёй... как теперь другую ему проксю задать?
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[20:50:09] bobry: request.set_proxy в смысле
[20:50:21] bobry: если я не путаю
[20:50:46] _lorien: о, спасибо, как всё просто )
[20:51:00] _lorien: вот щас посмотрю ему в сорцы, как он это делает
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[21:01:34] огыешсук: /me просто создаёт новый opener
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[21:03:49] _lorien: я хочу менять прокси, если не подошла одна - в ломы заново опенер создавать
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[21:04:54] _lorien: Как бы мне ещё сдампить заголовки запросов-ответов в файл? :) Без участия wireshark
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[23:46:21] Darth Лис: http://www.slideshare.net/gleicon/restmq-httpredis-based-message-queue
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[23:55:34] deepwalker: так, персистент положим есть
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[23:56:13] deepwalker: но надежность бы еще