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[07:48:20] |: как в джанге посмотреть sql запрос? какую-то там фичу сделали ж? типа Foo.objects.get(...).query
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[07:49:31] |: а, походу джанго просто старая у меня
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[07:49:59] Sevenov: !g changelog orm site:docs.djangoproject.com
[07:50:17] Sevenov: !g changelog orm 1.2 site:docs.djangoproject.com
[07:50:21] Sevenov: ололо
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[07:52:12] |: а я чё-то не могу про эту фичу найти ни в 1.1. ни в 1.2 ченжлоге, там просто .query аттрибут
[07:52:21] |: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/971667/django-orm-how-to-view-or-log-the-executed-query
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[07:54:18] |: а, бля, я ж get делаю, мне не qs возвращается, а сам объект уже
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[07:55:46] |: Sevenov, а ты не знаешь, почему там query в виде:
In [4]: str(Law.objects.filter(title='15', section='78fff002', psection='c').query)
Out[4]: 'SELECT `laws_law`.`id`, `laws_law`.`title`, `laws_law`.`section`, `laws_law`.`psection`, `laws_law`.`level`, `laws_law`.`name`, `laws_law`.`text`, `laws_law`.`source`, `laws_law`.`order`, `laws_law`.`hash` FROM `laws_law` WHERE (`laws_law`.`section` = 78fff002 AND `laws_law`.`psection` = c AND `laws_law`.`title` = 15 ) ORDER BY `laws_law`.`order` ASC'
вот видишь `section` = 78fff002 , если такое запихать в mysql console, то ошибка будет т.к. строка не в кавычках
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[07:56:08] |: меня этот вопрос уже волнует года 2-3, всё забываю разобраться %)
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[07:59:24] razum2um: товарищи, подскажите как __отключить__ кэш для опр. вьюх? не декорировать же все остальные @cache_page?!
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[07:59:49] razum2um: есть ли че нить вроде @no_cache
[07:59:52] razum2um: ?
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[08:01:28] |: есть
[08:01:56] |: !g django disable cache decorator
[08:02:17] |: короче never_cache он называется
[08:02:28] razum2um: о. спс!
[08:02:34] |: нзд!
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[08:05:30] |: чо, джанго до сих пор не научился multicolumn index создавать? вот тупость :(
[08:05:33] razum2um: и еще небольшой вопрос по нему же. имеет ли порядок декораторов значение (never_cache & permission_required) что поставить сначала?

[08:05:55] |: я думаю разницы нет
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[08:06:09] razum2um: ок
[08:06:19] |: ну просто посмотри что делает never_cache :)
[08:07:36] |: логично предположить, что при первом вызове он чё-то такое делает, что не позволяет кэшироваться странице, значит permission_required вызовется при следующем вызове т.к. страницы не будет в кэше, иначе бы выполнение даже не дошло до вьюшки и кэш отдался бы на этапе поиска кэша в кэшевой мидлваре
[08:07:40] |: ну мне так кажется )
[08:08:36] razum2um: дык тада в обяз его вторым ставить...
[08:09:09] |: что это изменит?
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[08:09:48] razum2um: ой ступил. это @cache_page обязательно вторым
[08:10:58] Sevenov: > что при первом вызове он чё-то такое делает, что не позволяет кэшироваться странице
Делает, небось, чо нити типа setattr(fn, 'nocache', True).
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[08:16:49] |: !g code.djangoproject.com core/cache/decorators.py
[08:17:06] |: !g code.djangoproject.com inurl:core/cache/decorators.py
[08:17:14] |: silent_bob, fucking script
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[09:42:38] portnov_work: хелло олл.
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[09:42:48] portnov_work: вопрос.
[09:43:00] portnov_work: есть стандартный способ "нормализовать" путь к файлу?
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[09:43:41] portnov_work: из user/../programmer/reports.page получить programmer/reports.page ?
[09:44:02] slav0nic: normpath
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[09:44:16] portnov_work: о, сэнкс :)
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[09:44:38] slav0nic: In [1]: import os.path

In [2]: os.path.normpath('user/../programmer/reports.page')
Out[2]: 'programmer/reports.page'

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[09:51:22] Ляпатяпа: что бы почитать насчет XSLT?
[09:51:38] Ляпатяпа: мне с нуля надо освоить
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[10:26:34] |: блять, какой-то xml парсер взялся делать, так как запустил утром парсер дампов, так он до сих пор херачит...
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[11:00:12] razum2um: кто знает как игнорировать редирект после $.get? пока поведение оч. странное: прошу страничку, в firebug показавает что ответ 301 но html содержит то что мне нужен. второй запрос происходит по ТОМУ ЖЕ адресу но html уже пустой....
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[11:02:52] Typhon: >>> $.get
SyntaxError: invalid syntax
;)
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[11:03:20] razum2um: ну я же про jquery на django ;)
[11:04:00] razum2um: может потому что кэш отключен декоратором?
а надо полностью выкл?
[11:04:06] vgavro: wget --max-redirect=0 URL
[11:04:10] razum2um: но ведь не хочется
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[11:04:23] razum2um: эм.. а как с jquery?
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[11:04:37] vgavro: а хм прочитал что ты про jquery :-)
[11:04:39] vgavro: хз
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[11:16:07] chernysh.vadim: Здраствуйте. Какую связку веб-сервера посоветуете для разворачивания мульти-джанго приложений?
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[11:23:28] razum2um: вопрос решился. я забыл, что урл в конце потребен со слешем. отсюда был и редирект.
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[11:24:11] Typhon: chernysh.vadim: под "мульти-джанго приложениями" ты подразумеваешь тучу приложений на разных доменах?
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[11:25:25] slav0nic: мульте-мега-убер-супер-джанго
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[11:25:56] |: razum2um: кто знает как игнорировать редирект после $.get?
Typhon: >>> $.get
SyntaxError: invalid syntax
vgavro: wget --max-redirect=0 URL

годная конфа, всегда помогут и расскажут что не так :D
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[11:27:05] chernysh.vadim: Typhon, да
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[11:28:40] Typhon: chernysh.vadim: ну я б посоветовал чероки+uwsgi потому что он клеве, сочне и настраивается легко, без ковыряния в конфигах ^_^ виртуал-хосты поддерживает
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[11:32:08] Ляпатяпа: Как в xsl:for-each узнать название тега?
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[11:32:44] |: nginx + uwsgi
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[11:33:10] chernysh.vadim: Typhon: А что вообще посоветуешь, если нужно разворачивать одинаковые приложения, с разными конфигами, причем очень разными?
[11:33:35] |: а при чём тут веб-сервер?
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[11:35:06] |: Я бы написал простенький скрипт который генериту нужные конфиги для нового сайта, единственное, что если нужно будет сделать массовое изменение в конфигах, то это жопа.
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[11:37:41] chernysh.vadim: понял
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[11:39:10] |: например, в nginx возможно за счёт переменных можно просто написать один общий конфиг, а он будет делать вещи ну грубо гря такие:
server {
location / {
proxy_pass unix:/var/www/sockets/$host.sock;
}
}
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[11:40:46] zarg_: друзья, добрый день
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[11:41:15] |: http://projects.unbit.it/uwsgi/wiki/VirtualHosting вот кстати uwsgi тоже поддерживает виртхосты
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[11:43:48] chernysh.vadim: Спасибо огромное!
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[11:45:32] |: http://habrahabr.ru/company/ispsystem/blog/102678/ на хабре как раз по теме пост :)
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[11:45:45] |: чувак написал про nginx + fcgi и все стали базарить про uwsgi :D
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[11:47:01] chernysh.vadim: )) Я этим вопросом вчера задался. Утром открываю Хабр, а тут пост такой...
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[11:47:34] chernysh.vadim: А вообще, где можно почитать о архитектуре SaaS приложений с использованием джанго?
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[11:48:47] chernysh.vadim: Я хочу проверить одну штуку, разворачивать отдельное приложение с кастомной конфигурацией. Вообще, предоставлять SaaS приложения..
[11:48:55] chernysh.vadim: Я вообще, в правильно напрввлении иду?
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[11:49:23] wiz: !google django saas
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[11:49:39] slav0nic: интересно что ты там хчоешь вычитать...
[11:49:40] wiz: неужели это так сложно?
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[11:50:50] chernysh.vadim: не сложно
[11:51:01] chernysh.vadim: просто интересуюсь, или я на правильно пути...
[11:51:07] zarg_: а есть ли в питоне поддержка zip ?
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[11:53:27] zarg_: разобрался
[11:53:30] slav0nic: работает только на земле
[11:53:46] zarg_: ну я имел ввиду stringio
[11:53:49] zarg_: посмотрел код и понял
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[12:57:59] k_s: Кто-нибудь знает как запустить gammu setup.py для винды?
при установке выдает ERROR: Could not find pkg-config!
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[13:37:23] gigimon: видели? http://habrahabr.ru/company/ispsystem/blog/102678/#habracut
[13:37:32] gigimon: кто-то пробовал superfcgi 'njn&
[13:37:36] gigimon: этот*
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[13:38:36] огыешсук: на днях, по идее, должны uwsgi в debian включить, вот его /me и намерен распробовать
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[14:05:46] огыешсук: nmk: ожидается, что да, будет включен в debian`овский nginx
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[14:07:03] _lorien: я пробовал, у меня глючило, но это не показатель, у меня всё глчюит
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[14:10:17] _lorien: а чо модуль этот, автоматом будет процессы стартовать?
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[14:25:17] _lorien: ммм, я б тоже потыкал, да вот не знаю, какой смысл, в питоне всяко больше либ
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[14:25:39] slav0nic: да на досуге омжно глянуть) хотя обычно я его закрывал на первых 10 минутах
[14:25:41] slav0nic: шота не то
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[14:26:05] _lorien: просто не в кайф глядеть, вот если чо рабочее написать, какой-нить колым найти )
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[14:27:05] slav0nic: в питоне либ то много, но в той же джанге 70% гавно
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[14:29:18] _lorien: Пипец, запустил сегодня скрипт парсинга, он мне 800к объектов создал в бд :) Я ваще думал там меньше объёмы будут.
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[14:31:54] _lorien: а, лис?
[14:32:03] _lorien: брсю ли?
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[14:32:40] slav0nic: лис)
[14:34:19] gigimon: народа в конфе чет много стало )
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[14:34:58] slav0nic: надо разгонять
[14:35:08] slav0nic: да вроде всегда было 29-30
[14:35:14] Typhon: по-моему, и больще было
[14:35:18] slav0nic: бывало
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[14:35:35] slav0nic: xa4a, пони не мониторит пики по числу рыл в конфе?
[14:35:41] Sevenov: superfcgi барбуза же писал
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[14:35:45] Sevenov: для одного проекта
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[14:36:41] slav0nic: ага
[14:36:47] slav0nic: у меня есть права на коммит :P даже
[14:37:01] slav0nic: не наю науя тк на С я последний раз писал ещё в универе
[14:37:04] xa4a: http://xa4a.org.ua/rrdtool/conference_population.cgi?trend=pythonua@conference.jabber.ru
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[14:37:25] xa4a: только чо-то не праильно
[14:37:35] slav0nic: отож)
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[14:38:22] : xa4a_ установил(а) тему: Python.SU | Сначала поищи ответ на docs.python.org | Теперь поищи на google.com | Код постить в dumpz.org | Хочешь задать вопрос - просто *задай* его! | За голосом - в приват к модераторам | Правила написания хорошего кода: http://➡.ws/pep8 | Логи: http://➡.ws/pu | Третий тупой вопрос за сутки — на http://throwcatch.me
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[14:40:27] slav0nic: /me удалил ruby
[14:40:32] slav0nic: не пошло)
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[14:53:28] novus42: пОшло)
[14:53:54] novus42: руби = 10% кода и 90% странной уличной магии
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[15:30:52] _lorien: вот говно, похоже дрова для моей wifi карточки глючные в ядре (
[15:31:04] _lorien: периодически пропадает сеть
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[15:34:29] deepwalker: в отпуске
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[15:39:07] theli: народ, поможите строку такого формата разбить в словарь: date:"2010/25/08" time:"17:15:39"
[15:39:19] theli: не хочется регулярные выражение сюда тащить
[15:39:49] theli: и не все значения выделены кавычками .. напр: player:3 name:"dawalkeR" id:3105826 psr:1486.0000
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[15:39:54] theli: :(
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[15:40:01] wiz: .split
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[15:40:12] theli: ну и, он мне по пробелам разобьёт
[15:40:14] nmk: wiz: не. а если в кавычках твоеточие?
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[15:40:28] theli: там везде двоеточие
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[15:41:11] gigimon: регекспом тут проще
[15:41:16] gigimon: раз значения меняться могут
[15:41:27] theli: ну рэгэкспом то понятно как сделать :-/
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[15:41:32] nmk: как?
[15:41:42] theli: :-/
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[15:42:31] wiz: nmk, стрип
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[15:43:01] nmk: wiz: не очень понимаю.
я про time:"17:15:39"
[15:43:47] gigimon: я как понимаю префиксы типа time: player: он знает
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[15:44:13] gigimon: их в условие и вытаскаивать все что после них, в общем дял регекспа не сложно
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[15:44:51] gigimon: wiz: стрип - ты про регексп имел ввиду?
[15:44:57] nmk: gigimon: а я думал не знает :)
[15:44:59] gigimon: сплит тогда
[15:45:15] gigimon: nmk: ну если незнает то тоже не сложнее
[15:45:17] theli: gigimon , имена не знает
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[15:45:21] theli: могут быть произвольные
[15:45:24] gigimon: а
[15:45:28] wiz: вы чего тупите
dict((key, value.strip('"')) for key,value in (item.split(':', 1) for item in data.split(' ')))
[15:45:33] gigimon: ну всеравно не сложно))
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[15:46:03] gigimon: theli: в кавычках точно : быть не может?
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[15:46:15] theli: wiz спасибо
[15:46:15] gigimon: wiz: ну так тру, да
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[15:46:38] nmk: wiz: бля. я пробел не заметил. :)))
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[15:48:07] theli: wiz , только как я и сказал оно так не работает
[15:48:09] theli: :)
[15:48:16] theli: там внутри кавычек могут быть пробелы
[15:48:28] theli: чёрт, не привёл пример с пробелами
[15:48:39] theli: player:1 target:"all" msg:"nice macro"
[15:48:40] theli: вот
[15:48:44] theli: на таком свалится
[15:48:58] gigimon: вооо
[15:49:01] gigimon: :)
[15:49:15] wiz: ну регэкспы тогда, да
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[15:52:44] theli: ха
[15:52:50] theli: shlex.split('this is "a test"')
[15:52:53] theli: всем спасибо :)
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[16:15:01] _lorien: я фиего сколько инфы на stackoverflow негенерили - реально много ответов можно найти по python
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[16:17:27] theli: блин, не катит shlex :(
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[16:17:37] theli: придётся всё-таки regexp ы юзать :(
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[16:19:37] dicos: _lorien, самое интересное, что больше всего вопросов по C# а не по С++, хотя, на мой взгляд, С++ куда сложнее
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[16:19:51] _lorien: >>> dict([x.split(':', 1) for x in 'date:"2010/25/08" time:"17:15:39"'.split()])
{'date': '"2010/25/08"', 'time': '"17:15:39"'}
[16:20:15] theli: _lorien ага, но в той версии питона которая мне нужна
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[16:20:33] theli: ['E\x00N\x00T\x00R\x00Y\x00:\x00I\x00N\x00F\x00O\x00_\x00D\x00A\x00T\x00E\x00', '\x00d\x00a\x00t\x00e\x00:\x00\x002\x000\x001\x000\x00/\x002\x005\x00/\x000\x008\x00\x00', '\x00t\x00i\x00m\x00e\x00:\x00\x001\x007\x00:\x001\x005\x00:\x003\x009\x00\x00']
[16:20:37] theli: вот такая херня
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[16:21:01] theli: http://bugs.python.org/issue1170
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[16:21:39] theli: это с shlex
[16:21:50] dicos: theli, пиши юнит-тест. пофиксят
[16:21:57] wiz: dicos, просто в C# дебилов больше подаётся
[16:22:01] theli: хаха
[16:22:01] _lorien: зачем тебе шлекс-шмекс, вон split юзай :o)
[16:22:05] theli: там бага с 2007го висит
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[16:22:16] wiz: _lorien, пробелы внутри кавычек
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[16:22:44] theli: говорят, в 3.0 уже нормально shlex :-/
[16:22:46] theli: эх
[16:22:47] _lorien: можно бить по '" "' я ж не знаю, как там данные уложены в ряд
[16:23:01] theli: _lorien так а читать что писали? уже ж обсудили сплит
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[16:23:24] dicos: wiz, я думал, что они учат РНР
[16:23:24] _lorien: или по '" time', ну короче как-нить бить )
[16:24:08] wiz: или писать FSM бугого
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[16:29:37] theli: эх, ладно, пусть будет regexp .... [a-z]+:(")?(?(1)[^"]+"|[^\ ]+)
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[17:40:20] _lorien: это, а сардельки надо бросать в кипящую воду или сразу?
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[17:40:58] theli: я сразу бросаю
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[17:41:11] _lorien: хмм, ладно, тоже брошу сразу
[17:41:19] theli: главное про них не забыть, а то их разнесёт :)
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[17:41:58] _lorien: да, это проблемк
[17:42:25] _lorien: когда варенники разносит - это ваще жесть - суп получается
[17:42:33] _lorien: + к дну прилипают
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[17:43:28] theli: если есть таймер в плите лучше сразу поставить
[17:44:06] _lorien: да не, простой советский гроб, я вот думаю купить без духовки такую полочку духовую - мало места занимает
[17:44:19] _lorien: ну т.е. доска. на ней комфорки и к ним трубами газ подведён
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[18:25:47] nmk: о. в питоне можно писать на rot13 :)
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[18:33:42] огыешсук: _lorien: рекомендую покупать конструкцию из плиты с посудомоечной машиной. Я сам подумываю нынешнее убожество снести на свалку и купить означенное.
[18:34:09] огыешсук: _lorien: а сардельки зачем бросать? А микроволновка на что? Две минуты максимальной мощности любую сардельку разнесут.
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[18:35:29] _lorien: у меня нет микроволновки
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[18:35:48] _lorien: посудомоечная, даже не знаю, шибко жииирно )
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[18:36:16] nmk: огыешсук: вареные вкуснее.
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[18:36:33] _lorien: меня вообще блага цивилизации не оч. привлекают, дома довольно таки спартанская обстановка
[18:36:38] nmk: _lorien: а как же духовка? мясо запек и заебок. :)
[18:36:44] огыешсук: _lorien: не, она как раз идеально жир отмывает. В отличии от ручной работы.
[18:37:00] _lorien: да я в другом смысле жирно, ну типа шикарно, что ли )
[18:37:18] огыешсук: /me не представляет жизни без микроволновки, это что ж -- холодным всё есть?
[18:37:22] _lorien: nmk, да я вообще не готовлю
[18:37:30] _lorien: да я и не ем ничего :((
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[18:37:41] огыешсук: надо себя заставить!
[18:37:47] nmk: питаться дома дешевле. особенно если в магазинах не покупать всякую готовую хуйню типа мяса
[18:38:07] _lorien: я бот, меня lorien написал два года назад и сдох от голода, а я вот теперь на его компьютере кручусь, uptime 350 дней
[18:38:23] _lorien: да с магазинами ваще проблема, дико догоро и дико невкусно :-/
[18:38:40] nmk: ну у нас часто бывает сносно. но дорого ;)
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[18:39:36] _lorien: вообще я когда захожу в супермаркет я начинаю думать, что там всё пропитано консервантами, стабилизаторами и т.д. - не очень распологает к покупкам :D
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[18:39:58] _lorien: но вот сардельки ничо так получились, пойду ещё забацаю )
[18:40:04] nmk: ну ты состав там почитай
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[18:40:41] nmk: ходи на рынок, а не в супермаркет. там и новости узнаешь и картошку купишь :)
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[18:41:02] mnemonique: всем привет. вопрос по wxPython: каким образом я могу в MessageBox поместить рисунок миниатюрный?
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[18:43:36] огыешсук: _lorien: так есть то надо, иначе живот портится. /me тоже страдает от супермаркетного выбора, но что ж поделать то?
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[18:45:34] огыешсук: /me в штатах питался казалось только фруктами, тостами с гуакамолем, сосисками с макаронами да соками, ан улетало на пропитание под килобакс в месяц :o( В России дешевле, но после шатов страшно в магазины заходить. :o((
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[18:45:51] огыешсук: /me вернулся из штатов в россию и страдает острым приступом мизантропии
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[18:47:28] _lorien: ну как сказать, я раз день на велике гоняю в столовую, там беру первое, второе, салат с кальмарами, но вот с завтраком и ужином проёб
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[18:47:50] _lorien: в столовой мне оч понравилось - достаточно вкусно и трачу 3-4$ всего
[18:48:00] nmk: зимой тоже на велике ? :)
[18:48:19] _lorien: до зимы я машину куплю :D я тут права недавно получил
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[18:48:49] nmk: ну будешь значит и на завтрак и на ужин куда-нибудь кататься
[18:49:17] _lorien: эх, ну они уже в 3-4$ не обойдутся (
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[18:49:56] _lorien: ну хотя да, на машине проще, можно хоть куда поехать и вечером и не в напряг, а на велосипеде пилить тока днём хорошо, когда тепло и светло
[18:50:16] _lorien: до столовой доехать 6-7 минут :) если использовать автомобильные дороги.
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[18:50:22] огыешсук: _lorien: а ты где живёшь?
[18:50:24] nmk: не, если экономить, то надо тогда самому готовить.
[18:50:31] _lorien: в омске
[18:50:37] _lorien: gmt+6
[18:50:42] огыешсук: это какая страна?
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[18:50:48] _lorien: раша
[18:51:05] огыешсук: и как там у вас было лето?
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[18:51:28] _lorien: да то жара то холод )
[18:51:46] огыешсук: /me как вернулся успел застать сутки дыма и жары, а потом пошел дождь и /me замёрз нафиг
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[18:52:07] _lorien: не, дыма тут ваще не было
[18:52:36] _lorien: у меня дома бесплатная столовая для ос, я мёд на стол наливаю, они прилетают и жрут его :o)
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[18:53:34] огыешсук: /me после штатов тоже решил обзавестись правами, раньше то я полагал что машина в современном городе скорее помеха и стресс, нежели польза
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[18:55:14] nmk: а как в штатах общественный транспорт? дешвле чем тачка обходится?
[18:55:20] _lorien: а я просто захотел девочку одну покатать и вот умудрился отучитья, получить права и щас вот работать начал, на машину коплю простенькую )
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[18:55:52] nmk: тачка ради бабы? ну ок, чо.
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[18:56:37] _lorien: да, больше просто мне вообще ничего не интересно, похуй на всё :-/
[18:56:58] tilarids: и она сидит и ждет, пока ты ее на машине покатаешь?
[18:57:36] _lorien: нет, мы с ней общаемся :) как друзья (звучит по ебанутому, да)
[18:57:49] nmk: а когда покатаешь уже не как друзья будете? :)
[18:58:12] tilarids: _lorien, и вот реально, чтобы завоевать девушку, нужен автомобиль?
[18:58:20] _lorien: Не знаю, но это хоть какая-то цель :)
[18:58:20] tilarids: какая-то не совсем правильная девушка
[18:58:24] огыешсук: nmk: я общественным транспортов за лето в штатах так и не воспользовался ;o) Не, ну он есть конечно, пару раз за лето я даже видел общественных автобус и один раз видел поезд...
[18:58:51] nmk: огыешсук: ну по моим подсчетам в рашке дешевле тачку иметь чем на маршрутках/метро/электричках ездить
[18:59:43] sanchopanca: Всем привет. Вопрос про потоки. Везде встречаю примеры типа:
p1 = threading.Thread(target=myFunction, name="t1", args=["1"])
p1.start()
А если мне надо выполнить операцию myVar = myFunction(arg)
Возможно ли это сделать?
[18:59:46] tilarids: nmk, такси завсегда дешевле авто выйдет
[18:59:51] yauserrr111: можно еще пешком ходить
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[18:59:57] nmk: tilarids: эээ. город?
[19:00:07] огыешсук: nmk: это вряд ли, на метро пару раз в день ты 50 рублей потратишь (а в замкадье и того меньше), а вот сколько ты бензину потратишь, страховок, транспортного налога, ремонта, да и на сам девайс...
[19:00:09] tilarids: nmk, Харьков. У нас свои реалии, ага
[19:00:10] _lorien: Не, она не говорила мол, купи машину и я твоя :) Но сказала, что кататься любит, ну вот я и решил тачку купить.
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[19:00:31] _lorien: Не, для меня машина однозначно как некое развлечение.
[19:00:45] tilarids: _lorien, возьми машину напрокат и предложи ей прокатиться по Европе. Будет дешевле и быстрее :)
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[19:01:05] _lorien: Это интересная идея.
[19:01:12] огыешсук: _lorien: купи мопед ;o) Она тебя ещё и обнимать эротично будет по ходу
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[19:01:30] _lorien: А точно дешевле? Где спать? В машине, что ли?
[19:01:33] yauserrr111: > Возможно ли это сделать?
возможно
[19:02:00] tilarids: _lorien, в машине не очень удобно. Спать в обычных гостиницах, или можно в кемпингах, если есть склонности
[19:02:06] огыешсук: _lorien: ночь в дешевом мотеле в штатах -- 60$.
[19:02:19] _lorien: sanchopanca, тебе шо ли надо получить данные из потока? Ну ты можешь из потока пихать например в Queue, а потом в главное программе эту Queue выпотрошить
[19:02:20] tilarids: огыешсук, в Европах дешевле
[19:02:30] yauserrr111: sanchopanca, в самом потоке в смысле сделать?
[19:02:46] _lorien: или можешь из потока в переменную тупо записать глобальную :) Просто когда потоков несколько то удобно пихать в Queue
[19:02:47] tilarids: хотя ненамного
[19:02:47] sanchopanca: Да, в самом потоке
[19:03:19] _lorien: 60$ ну нифигасе т.е. чисто на поспать 60 * 30 = 1800 o_O
[19:03:26] _lorien: если месяц кататься
[19:03:45] nmk: огыешсук: ну. я считаю что за комфорт тоже надо платить. но все мои поездки это не только метро. это еще автобусы, маршрукти, троллейбусы, такси куда-нибудь ночью, на электричке за город. и что-то мне подсказывает, что если купить какую-нибудь недорогую маложрущую тачку, то цена будет сопостовимая. в разрезе, скажем, 10ти лет
[19:03:58] огыешсук: _lorien: а чего? апартменты на двоих снять на месяц примерно столько же стоит, если не самые дешевые
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[19:05:19] sanchopanca: yauserrr111: можно так сделать? Если да, то как?
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[19:05:28] yauserrr111: можно, если в область видимости попадает
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[19:05:55] _lorien: я вот думаю, ездить на машине, спать в палатке, можно ж так?
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[19:06:26] yauserrr111: просто вызываешь или import делаешь и вызываешь
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[19:06:51] tilarids: легко, если девушка на такое согласна. Есть такие, что слишком любят комфорт, чтобы спать в палатках
[19:07:23] gf: девушка пойдет спать в палатку только ради одного..
[19:07:32] sanchopanca: yauserrr111: можно маленький примерчик?
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[19:08:29] yauserrr111: потоки в одном адресном пространстве работают
делай как если бы и никаких потоков не было
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[19:10:23] sanchopanca: У меня функция возвращает значение, если я ее просто запущу в потоке - потеряю результат. Мне надо присвоить значение прямо в потоке
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[19:10:45] огыешсук: nmk: расходы на топливо, кстати, довольно невелики оказались, разок в LA прокатиться (под сотню миль в одну сторону) всего долларов 10, на те же 10 долларов можно кататься по городу и на работу неделю-другую. Да и съём машины не так чтобы ужасно дорого (под 800$ в месяц).
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[19:12:05] огыешсук: _lorien: палатка это реально мало комфорта. Там даже туалета ж нет обычно.
[19:12:13] yauserrr111: туплю
а у тебя там рекурсия случаем не получиться?
[19:13:07] sanchopanca: yaurserrr111, тебе функцию показать?
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[19:14:21] yauserrr111: покажи
[19:14:38] огыешсук: _lorien: и душа
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[19:15:06] _lorien: хм, ну может один поеду в след. году
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[19:15:27] огыешсук: _lorien: в смысле -- на своей машинке прямо из россии?
[19:15:44] огыешсук: или до франкфурта самолётом, а дальше на рентованном каре
[19:15:45] _lorien: не знаю, не важно, ерунда, чо щас гадать )
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[19:15:59] _lorien: второе, наверное
[19:16:14] _lorien: понятно, если я тут куплю какой-нить ваз, то на нём я не поеду :D
[19:16:14] sanchopanca: http://pastebin.mozilla-russia.org/106843 - строки 24 - 30 надо выполнить параллельно
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[19:17:16] _lorien: так они быстрее не будут работать параллельно :-/
[19:17:24] _lorien: в тредах точно не будут :D
[19:17:39] sanchopanca: почему?
[19:17:48] _lorien: ну процессор то один
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[19:18:06] sanchopanca: ну так 2 ядра
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[19:18:16] _lorien: а в питоне треды тока один проц юзают
[19:18:34] yauserrr111: и только один поток может выполняться
[19:18:46] yauserrr111: в данное время
[19:18:57] _lorien: но можно попробовать модуль multiprocessing
[19:19:42] yauserrr111: http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/python/84629/
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[19:20:55] tilarids: sanchopanca, если тебе хочется ускорить этот код, то я бы на твоем месте не лез в потоки, а пошел бы другим путем
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[19:21:16] огыешсук: _lorien: а что ваз, в штатах каких только драндулетов не ездит. Скажем: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8217373/KML_4464.jpg
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[19:21:52] огыешсук: /me . o 0 (правда этот драндулет обогнал нас как стоячих, хотя бы ехали по хайвею под 80 миль в час)
[19:22:15] _lorien: ну я просто боюсь, шо не доеду на вазе :D
[19:23:16] _lorien: я пока на велосипеде гоняю, когда ветра нет 35 выжимаю, но долго так не могу ехать )
[19:23:27] _lorien: а против втера ваще жопа ( 20 и весь в мыле
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[19:25:56] sanchopanca: tilarids, каким путем?
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[19:26:26] огыешсук: _lorien: говорю же -- купил бы мопед
[19:26:32] _lorien: sanchopanca, попробуй multiprocessing - там не страшно, просто замени Thread на Process :)
[19:26:49] _lorien: а где его хранить?
[19:26:54] _lorien: на стоянке?
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[19:27:44] огыешсук: А где ты велосипед хранишь?
[19:27:54] sanchopanca: попробую
[19:28:10] огыешсук: вот, кстати, фото мексиканского велосипеда, что был на ихней автомобильной выставке: https://photos-2.dropbox.com/i/xl/nZA_knzvx1cG1bFTOx1Ydfxgh89mzBXyEFLzKa7_aXA/8217373/1282928400/cb677da ;o)
[19:28:25] _lorien: дома, но велосипед весит 10-15кг, а мопед?
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[19:29:19] огыешсук: А вот такие там (на выставке) были автомобили: https://photos-3.dropbox.com/i/xl/WANHMCRO4ghJ4q4Kt-RERC8Vn3pDDB02zuT-XbVotow/8217373/1282928400/a9f3699
Причём все на ходу и с музыкой. Мексиканцы веселые люди, да.
[19:29:31] tilarids: sanchopanca, ну, убрал бы лишние функции, которые для красивости, списки заменил на iterables, включил бы psyco, если не нужна поддержка 64-х бит. Скорость числодробильная существенно бы увеличилась
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[19:30:29] огыешсук: _lorien: а мопед не то, чтобы сильно больше, чай не оутдура
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[19:30:55] tilarids: огыешсук, нормальный мопед весит килограмм 120 :)
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[19:31:29] огыешсук: ну, можно ж закатить
[19:31:47] tilarids: _lorien, ты на каком этаже живешь? или частный сектор?
[19:31:47] gf: sanchopanca ты как pastebin.mozilla-russia прикрутил?
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[19:32:13] gf: у меня грит, что мол приложение не обеспечивает безопасного обновления и не будет установлено
[19:32:39] _lorien: на третьем
[19:32:59] огыешсук: _lorien: а машину где держать думаешь?
[19:33:10] _lorien: на стоянке или тупо во вдоре
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[19:40:30] sanchopanca: gf, я не прикрутил, я через браузер захожу туда
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[19:40:49] gf: sanchopanca принял..
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[19:48:11] огыешсук: /me спасть
[19:48:13] огыешсук: *спать
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[19:50:12] yauserrr111: sanchopanca, если бы надо было делать через потоки, то я бы сделал следующим образом.
Создал бы семафор глобальный. Создал бы сразу семь потоков, но конце каждой функции pN() вызывал бы фунцию семафора release(). А после P7 сделал бы семь вызовов функции acquire() глобального семафора.
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[19:52:45] yauserrr111: Если разберешься с multiprocessing, то там тоже есть семафоры. И логика будет такая же.
[19:54:58] _lorien: yauserrr111, а как значения получать от функций?
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[19:55:14] _lorien: я не работал с семафорами, поглядел, там просто значение увеличивается-уменьшается
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[19:57:24] yauserrr111: > а как значения получать от функций?
глобальные объекты создать
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[19:58:40] yauserrr111: > я не работал с семафорами,
семафоры для синхронизации. там ведь нужно приостановить основной поток до того как все семь потоков/процессов завершаться
[19:59:02] _lorien: Я обычно кладу треды в список и потом делаю им всем join(). Метод с семафорами просто другой способ или лучше его юзать?
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[20:03:25] yauserrr111: а join нормально работает если поток уже завершился? Они ведь в разное время завершаться.
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[20:17:15] enchantner: мужики, кто-нибудь пробовал http://www.djangohosting.ru/ ?
[20:17:28] enchantner: ищу хостинг простой для клиента, не выделенный
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[20:19:18] enchantner: просто ненавижу ставить-ковырять php-движки...
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[20:21:50] theli: хм, никогда не писал вод web ... а тут вдруг захотелось для себя реализовать небольшой проектик ... стоит смотреть на django или просто сделать всё ручками? ... в программировании под web я , пожалуй, профан
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[20:22:38] enchantner: конечно, стоит, ручками нет смысла писать
[20:23:43] theli: я так понимаю на вопросы "зачем это нужно" " в чём преимущество" и "с чего начать" ответом будет http://docs.djangoproject.com/ ? :)
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[20:24:19] enchantner: по-русски почитай http://djbook.ru/
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[20:24:27] yauserrr111: http://pylonshq.com/
[20:24:32] theli: кстати, без капчи зайти никак нельзя? может можно как-то чтоб от jid только раз спрашиваолсь или типа того .... gajim капчу не переваривает
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[20:25:15] enchantner: yauserrr111, не сбивай падавана с пути истинного
[20:25:20] enchantner: рано ему еще пилонсы
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[20:25:30] _lorien: yauserrr111, join как раз и ждёт, чтобы поток оказалася завершённым, нормально
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[20:26:05] _lorien: threads = []; for x in xrage(10): t = Thread(); t.start; threads.join(t); for t in threads: t.join()
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[20:26:56] yauserrr111: enchantner, я начал сразу с пилонов, полет нормальный :)
[20:27:00] _lorien: theli, я тебя мембером сделал, может не будет теперь капчу спрашивать
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[20:27:47] enchantner: yauserrr111: одно дело "сразу начал", а другое - "для себя небольшой проектик" :)
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[20:31:10] yauserrr111: _lorien, видимо можно и так :)
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[20:32:02] yauserrr111: enchantner, пилоны ведь простые
я сначала покусился на werkzeug, но как то быстро обломался
[20:33:28] slav0nic: по-моему что на нём писать, что на пилонах один хрен
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[20:34:30] theli: _lorien спасибо
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[20:36:17] theli: да, теперь не требует капчу
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[20:36:20] yauserrr111: slav0nic, а по-моему разница есть :)
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[20:40:01] sanchopanca: Хорошо, заменю нити на процессы. Можно без глобальных переменных и очереди обойтись или никак?
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[20:43:10] sanchopanca: Кстати, в питоне можно как в С function(arg, &answer)?
[20:43:40] sanchopanca: изменяемый аргумент?
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[20:44:23] enchantner: def foo(*args, **kwargs)
[20:44:35] enchantner: первые - простые, вторые - именованные
[20:44:45] yauserrr111: он не то справшивает
[20:45:00] enchantner: а, понял
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[20:45:26] yauserrr111: в питоне объект в качестве аргумента функции всегда передается по ссылке
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[20:45:52] sanchopanca: то есть можно изменять
[20:46:04] yauserrr111: да
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[20:46:21] enchantner: только это редко надо, ибо побочные эффекты
[20:46:22] yauserrr111: это если объект
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[20:46:33] sanchopanca: отлично. тогда я нашел простое для себя решение =))
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[20:47:02] sanchopanca: Ну список же я смогу внутри функции изменить
[20:47:13] yauserrr111: можешь
[20:47:56] yauserrr111: глобальный список?
[20:48:10] yauserrr111: с результатами
[20:48:55] sanchopanca: ну да
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[20:50:17] yauserrr111: ну я и предлагал глобальные переменные :)
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[20:57:13] enchantner: глобальные переменные - зло
[20:58:18] slav0nic: большая часть веб фреймворков так не считает)
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[20:59:07] enchantner: насчет пилонса да, там все на глобальных переменных
[20:59:13] enchantner: а вот в джанге не помню
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[22:06:44] bobry: pyjob is nomoar?
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[22:09:48] _lorien: ребутают сервер, а ваще я его продал
[22:09:50] _lorien: pydev,pyjob,pyplanet
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[22:10:10] bobry: кого именно?
[22:10:11] slav0nic: и шо чувак с ними делает?
[22:10:13] bobry: или всех трех?
[22:10:20] bobry: *троих
[22:10:22] slav0nic: всё
[22:10:23] slav0nic: и душу
[22:10:26] slav0nic: дьяволу
[22:10:27] bobry: лол
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[22:10:45] slav0nic: летнее обострение у лора)
[22:10:50] slav0nic: пора привыкнуть
[22:10:50] bobry: а pyplanet то нафига? там подписчиков валом
[22:11:09] _lorien: да ничо не будет делать чувак страшного, он тоже питонер
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[22:11:26] _lorien: да меня запарили мои сайты
[22:11:31] _lorien: продал все нахрен
[22:11:32] bobry: а, вот и славно. только нафига продавать было
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[22:12:02] _lorien: машину хотел купить :) Правда пока права получал, деньги растратил все :D
[22:12:19] _lorien: Теперь по старинке добываю - работаю :D
[22:12:37] Typhon: на полежаевской за 25 тыщ в воскресенье можно было взять затюненную шестеру со спойлером!
[22:13:51] slav0nic: велик бери
[22:13:55] slav0nic: за эти же деньги)
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[22:14:09] tilarids: slav0nic, ты все пропустил
[22:14:17] tilarids: ему для дела машина нужна )
[22:14:22] slav0nic: понял
[22:14:23] _lorien: у меня вел за 3тыщи, уже три года езжжу )
[22:14:38] slav0nic: пикапер на запаре)
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[22:15:51] _lorien: ща хз, может дампз потыкаю, камменты приделаю )
[22:16:07] _lorien: тока надо его для начала ускорить, чтобы железно раотал )
[22:16:13] Typhon: нафига там комменты? чо, реально просил кто?
[22:16:16] bobry: _lorien, припиши к нему hg
[22:16:21] _lorien: ага, просили
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[22:16:32] _lorien: как приписать, зачем?
[22:16:35] slav0nic: ну дискус вставь
[22:16:38] bobry: ну как, шобы редактирование было
[22:16:40] slav0nic: фигли париться
[22:16:50] bobry: у пираныча вон есть, правда только один раз можно юзать
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[22:17:38] _lorien: так у меня и так редактирование есть )
[22:17:45] bobry: O_O
[22:17:48] _lorien: просто история редактирования не сохраняется
[22:17:55] bobry: где оно?
[22:18:03] bobry: и без истории не прикольно
[22:18:10] _lorien: для авторизованных пользователей: можно свои дампы редактировать
[22:18:39] _lorien: справа сверху от дампа две иконки: редактировать и удалить
[22:18:47] bobry: а, я не зарегистирован просто
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[22:22:33] deepwalker: кстати интересно, как проще сделать историю
[22:22:40] deepwalker: поди hg заюзать как раз
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[22:25:12] bobry: ахах, я прикидывал — там <100 строк
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[22:25:31] bobry: правда не понятно как лучше делать, все файлы в одном репозитории, или отдельный репозиторий на каждый файл
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[22:33:52] foobarblah: пацаны а вот скажите, в чем логика того что в forms.ModelChoiceField в качестве initial нужно передавать pk модели а не саму модель?
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[22:34:35] bobry: что значит саму модель? instance?
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[22:36:20] foobarblah: ну да, хотя да, это ж оверхедно как-то, но все же, как то более логично
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[22:36:43] foobarblah: оно то модель возвращает а не pk, а принимает pk
[22:36:48] bobry: а на instance он ругается?
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[22:36:56] bobry: /me ни разу не работал с ModelChoiceField
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[22:37:51] foobarblah: нет не ругается, просто в value= инпута __unicode__ модели а не pk
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[22:38:16] tilarids: http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/6995033/ rocks, mongo db scales!
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[22:43:02] foobarblah: а вот скажите пацаны, мне тут надо делать фишечки а-ля присутствие на сайте (online, offline), будет ли целесообразно заюзать nosqlку какуюто для этих целей, вдруг пригодится еще для чего, а я еще ни с одной и не знаком...
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[22:52:29] slav0nic: http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/arbeit/102747/
[22:52:40] slav0nic: foobarblah, будет
[22:52:43] slav0nic: кеш заюзай
[22:52:53] slav0nic: а педики делают через дб В)
[22:53:50] Sevenov: slav0nic, "а через дб делают педики"
[22:53:53] foobarblah: ну я имею ввиду стоит ли nosql реально под такое брать или мемкеш да и по делом ? хотя я и с мемкешем не особо пока, но там ведь ничего сложного... но ведь nosql это материя повыше мемкеша ?
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[22:54:34] slav0nic: можешь взять бекенд для кеша в nonsql )
[22:54:39] slav0nic: аля редис бекенд
[22:54:46] slav0nic: мемкешеда ваще хватит
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[22:56:04] slav0nic: ложишь в кешь словарик аля online_user[id] = timespan
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[22:56:51] foobarblah: я понял, спасибо за ответы
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[22:56:54] slav0nic: ну и дропаешь, если прошло больше delta
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[22:57:29] slav0nic: меня печалит когда подобное умные дяди с доступом к репу джанги делают через бд =\
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[23:00:07] foobarblah: о, спасибо что дал ссылку, а то я б костыль какой-то сгородил и про мидлы не вспомнил )
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[23:01:07] slav0nic: ну то не догма
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[23:01:45] foobarblah: но хорошее решение помоему
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[23:02:11] slav0nic: да, я гений
[23:02:13] slav0nic: конечно же
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[23:03:58] foobarblah: тоесть cache это абстрактная прослойка типа ? и там даже не зависит что конкретно юзается ?
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[23:04:10] slav0nic: главное чтоб юзалось)
[23:04:13] slav0nic: в принципе да
[23:04:22] slav0nic: бекенд может быть не только мемкешед, а например редис
[23:04:22] foobarblah: прикольно
[23:04:33] slav0nic: апи то для кеша штандартыне типа
[23:05:01] slav0nic: думаю потом на редис перейти, тк его можно и как nosql тыкать и как кеш и очередь
[23:05:10] slav0nic: ну и модно В)
[23:05:23] slav0nic: и сесси хранить
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[23:06:25] slav0nic: http://bitbucket.org/dpaccoud/django-redis-sessions
вот сессии
http://github.com/sebleier/django-redis-cache кеш
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[23:08:43] foobarblah: может сразу его и заюзать в таком случае, только чтото я очкую
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[23:09:21] foobarblah: почитаю для начала
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[23:11:19] slav0nic: ну если для хоум паги пети пяточкина то и кеша на файлах хватит)
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[23:13:30] foobarblah: нет, не хомяк. такой себе тренинговый портальчик, нагрузки огромные изначально не ожидаются (чтото 1000 хитов в сутки), но есть возможность получить опыт + все равно надо будет развивать, проект крутить будут, вдруг что случится
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[23:15:01] slav0nic: ну побалуйся, лишним не будет
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[23:36:43] Lemah: Есть какие-то уроки по python на русском? гуглил особо много не нашел..
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[23:37:16] Sevenov: !g уроки английского дешево
[23:37:16] Typhon: intuit.ru
[23:37:28] Sevenov: Lemah, вот.
[23:37:39] Sevenov: Всего месяц, а жить дальше станет легче.
[23:38:07] Typhon: надо про английский язык в топег добавить, наверное
[23:38:15] Typhon: правда, его все равно никто не читает :)
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