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[00:22:59] foobarblah: пацаны, кто-то обновлял убунту до 10.10 ?
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[00:31:26] kwis: народ, может кто подскажет как из стандартного User вычленить пароль??? Тоесть я хочу чтобы у меня у пользователя вообще паролей как таковых не существовало
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[00:42:11] bobry: kwis, можно просто написать свой backend, который не будет проверять пароль
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[00:42:40] foobarblah: проманкипатчить можно
[00:42:52] foobarblah: но не скажу со старта какой метод удаляет
[00:42:57] foobarblah: у меня в 10.0
[00:42:59] foobarblah: на двух разных ноутах
[00:43:01] foobarblah: в какойто момент
[00:43:05] foobarblah: начинает переключатся ракскладка
[00:43:13] foobarblah: так будто к ней подключен индикатор работы винта, например
[00:43:22] bobry: зачем манкипатчить то?
[00:43:26] foobarblah: тоесть быстро так и дискретно но как-то осмысленно, будто чтото нето туда подается
[00:43:31] foobarblah: чтобы поля в таблице не было
[00:43:35] bobry: ну или можео .check_password = lambda: True
[00:43:38] foobarblah: ну хотя да, можно и бекенд
[00:43:41] bobry: а чем оно мешает то?
[00:43:47] foobarblah: иожно set_unusable_password
[00:43:50] foobarblah: или как-там
[00:43:51] kwis: bobry, уже практически написан, но меня волнует то что пароли же присутствуют при создании нового пользователя через админку и в базе же они тоже лежат
[00:43:57] foobarblah: когда пароль в ! устанавливается
[00:44:04] foobarblah: вово
[00:44:10] bobry: kwis, а чем они мешают то? пусть лежат себе
[00:44:11] foobarblah: дробнуть колонку и заманкипатчить!
[00:44:25] foobarblah: а нахуя
[00:44:31] bobry: зато никакой магии
[00:44:36] foobarblah: ну блеать
[00:44:40] foobarblah: вообще я согласен
[00:44:43] foobarblah: так делать не айс
[00:44:47] foobarblah: я бы так не сделал )
[00:44:54] foobarblah: потом вдруг чтото сломают
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[00:45:00] foobarblah: лучше джангу не патчит
[00:45:05] foobarblah: даже манки-
[00:45:24] kwis: ладно, пусть пока так себе будет...
[00:45:46] bobry: кто нить делал нестандартные поля?
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[00:46:11] bobry: мне нуна чтобы полю ForeignKey(User) можно было присвоить только юзеров из определенной группы
[00:46:15] bobry: как это лучше сделать?
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[00:51:19] bobry: а и фик с ним, всем гут найт
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[00:52:16] foobarblah: bobry: я делал
[00:52:17] foobarblah: стой
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[00:52:24] bobry: окей :)
[00:52:26] bobry: я еще здесь
[00:52:28] foobarblah: что ты имеешь ввиду
[00:52:29] bobry: расскажи как?
[00:52:30] foobarblah: делаешь модель
[00:52:47] bobry: не, не. у меня есть поле у модели, и я хочу контролировать что ему можно присвоить
[00:52:53] bobry: как это делается?
[00:52:58] foobarblah: relative_user_list = models.ForeignKey(User, verbose_name = _(u"Родственники"))
[00:53:00] foobarblah: вот
[00:53:01] foobarblah: например
[00:53:03] foobarblah: поле
[00:53:05] foobarblah: окей?
[00:53:08] bobry: окей
[00:53:19] foobarblah: это например люди которые твои родственники и никто другой
[00:53:22] foobarblah: и делаешь форму
[00:53:26] foobarblah: ведь по сути
[00:53:27] bobry: стоп
[00:53:29] foobarblah: да
[00:53:32] foobarblah: чел, иначе не делается
[00:53:33] bobry: я про другое
[00:53:35] foobarblah: какая разница
[00:53:40] foobarblah: весь crud контролируют формы
[00:53:52] bobry: теперь, допустим я хочу чтобы этот ForeignKey ссылался на модель User, у которого 0 <= pk <= 10
[00:53:54] bobry: *1
[00:54:01] foobarblah: окей
[00:54:05] bobry: без форм
[00:54:06] foobarblah: делаешь класс
[00:54:13] foobarblah: RelativeUserList
[00:54:14] foobarblah: например
[00:54:17] foobarblah: окей ?
[00:54:21] bobry: uhuh
[00:54:30] foobarblah: class RelativeUserList(models.ForeignKey):
[00:54:38] bobry: и какой метод перегружать?
[00:54:38] foobarblah: def clean(self, value):
[00:54:42] bobry: clean? O_O
[00:54:54] foobarblah: value = super(RelativeUserList, self).clean(value)
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[00:55:08] foobarblah: if value.pk > 10:
[00:55:08] bobry: тогда уж validate()
[00:55:35] foobarblah: raise ValidationError(_(u"Primary key mazt ...
[00:55:37] foobarblah: ну ты понел
[00:55:38] bobry: просто это для django 1.2+ буит работать
[00:55:43] foobarblah: validate не катит
[00:55:44] foobarblah: лол
[00:55:48] bobry: почему?
[00:55:50] foobarblah: use trunk luke
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[00:55:54] bobry: clean() его вызывает
[00:55:58] foobarblah: уже не вызывает
[00:56:00] bobry: а если забыть что модели теперь имеют form-like api
[00:56:03] bobry: я на код смотрю
[00:56:04] bobry: вызывает
[00:56:05] foobarblah: я сегодня ночью делал это
[00:56:13] foobarblah: какой у тебя django
[00:56:27] bobry: 1.2.1
[00:56:28] foobarblah: для SchoolListField
[00:56:41] foobarblah: кторый ManyToManyField
[00:56:49] foobarblah: мне надо было сделать чтобы можно было выбрать только 3 активные галочки
[00:56:55] foobarblah: validate не проканал
[00:57:05] bobry: ну в любом случае это не универсально
[00:57:10] bobry: хочется джедайский способ
[00:57:10] foobarblah: O_o
[00:57:18] foobarblah: это он и есть пиздец
[00:57:20] foobarblah: и у тебя
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[00:57:23] bobry: чтобы хотя бы для 1.0+
[00:57:26] foobarblah: эта ошибка будет сама в формах приходить
[00:57:32] foobarblah: О_О
[00:57:33] bobry: мне нафик не надо это в формы
[00:57:34] foobarblah: пиздец
[00:57:40] bobry: надо чтобы эта логика была в модели
[00:57:47] foobarblah: это в модели
[00:57:50] foobarblah: ну ебаный ты в рот
[00:57:52] foobarblah: это валидация поля
[00:57:54] foobarblah: пиздец
[00:57:56] bobry: тьфу ты. мы о разном говорим.
[00:58:03] foobarblah: О_О
[00:58:14] foobarblah: перегруженый класс поля модели
[00:58:17] foobarblah: чего ты хотел
[00:58:20] foobarblah: логика в модели
[00:58:26] bobry: отлично, но я хотел без .clean() / .validate()
[00:58:26] foobarblah: как еще ты это хотел сделать ?
[00:58:33] foobarblah: в смысле ?
[00:58:45] foobarblah: можешь сделать модель
[00:58:46] foobarblah: класс модели
[00:58:49] foobarblah: и перегрузить save
[00:58:59] foobarblah: абстрактную модель
[00:59:03] foobarblah: и в ней проверять
[00:59:06] foobarblah: что там в поле каком
[00:59:15] foobarblah: но это тупо
[00:59:18] foobarblah: надо юзать формы
[00:59:19] foobarblah: генерики
[00:59:25] foobarblah: а не лепить хуиты
[00:59:32] foobarblah: логику в формы заворачивать
[00:59:54] bobry: лол
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[00:59:57] foobarblah: у меня например своя надстройка над джангой там все на аяксе
[01:00:06] foobarblah: формы аяксом валидируются всякая хуита всплывает
[01:00:09] bobry: ты молодец :)
[01:00:17] foobarblah: для всех общих типов код одинаковый
[01:00:28] bobry: а я завтра почитаю код, night night
[01:00:32] foobarblah: чисто декларация моделей разная форм и настройка привязок к урлам с прототипами функций
[01:00:46] foobarblah: которые работают с таким типом данных
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[01:00:52] foobarblah: и все само генерица-делаеца
[01:01:13] foobarblah: я только пишу название пакета и что с ним можно делать в плане crud-листания с фильтрами и сортировками
[01:02:00] foobarblah: и админка так же описывается ну там конечно свой фреймворк но еба
[01:02:08] foobarblah: ну что я не прав пацаны?
[01:02:11] foobarblah: ыыы
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[07:17:06] _lorien: вопросы, не ко мне, это больше не мои сайты
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[07:33:20] dicos: _lorien, продал их?
[07:33:43] _lorien: ага
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[08:02:53] огыешсук: _lorien: започём?
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[08:07:52] _lorien: за стопицот мильонов )
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[08:24:16] GamePr0graameR: здравствуйте
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[08:28:57] GamePr0graameR: у меня есть вопрос по Django
[08:29:06] GamePr0graameR: можно ли его здесь задать?
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[08:29:53] xa4a: топик
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[08:30:13] xa4a: просто задай его
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[08:31:40] Sevenov: Предлагаю сделать топик в полэкрана
[08:32:47] Sevenov:
Python.SU
| Сначала поищи ответ на docs.python.org
| Теперь поищи на google.com
| Код постить в dumpz.org
| Хочешь задать вопрос - просто *задай* его!
| За голосом - в приват к модераторам
| Правила написания хорошего кода: http://➡.ws/pep8
| Логи: http://➡.ws/pu
| Третий тупой вопрос за сутки — на http://throwcatch.me
[08:32:53] Sevenov: Python.SU | Сначала поищи ответ на docs.python.org | Теперь поищи на google.com | Код постить в dumpz.org | Хочешь задать вопрос - просто *задай* его! | За голосом - в приват к модераторам | Правила написания хорошего кода: http://➡.ws/pep8 | Логи: http://➡.ws/pu | Третий тупой вопрос за сутки — на http://throwcatch.me
[08:33:03] Sevenov: Первое лучше читается.
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[08:55:56] _lorien: Поправочка: первое читается
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[08:58:51] огыешсук: _lorien: вот так всегда все всё скрывают, а мне ж любопытно, мало сотен дали или много (а может и вовсе тыщщи?) :o(
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[10:53:59] GamePr0graameR: ещё раз здравствуйте
[10:54:03] GamePr0graameR: вопрос такой
[10:54:31] GamePr0graameR: где можно найти подробное объяснение, что такое %d, %m, %y, %a, %b?
[10:54:49] bobry: GamePr0graameR, в документации к time
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[10:55:07] GamePr0graameR: желательно на русском языке
[10:55:09] mishok13: man strftime
[10:55:12] bobry: http://docs.python.org/library/time#time.strftime
[10:55:35] bobry: а, ну или так. а чего на русском то?
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[10:56:29] wiz: у человека видимо половину мозга снесло - теперь два языка не помещается q:
[10:56:47] GamePr0graameR: там я жуе читал, не совсем понял
[10:56:50] GamePr0graameR: уже*
[10:56:54] bobry: спрашивай тогда, чего не понял
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[10:58:26] GamePr0graameR: есть такая строка в коде:
[10:58:28] GamePr0graameR: BOOKING_DATE_FORMAT = ("%A, %B %d, %Y", "%Y-%m-%d", "%d. %m. %Y", "%m/%d/%Y")
[10:58:42] GamePr0graameR: и потом она используется так:
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[10:58:49] GamePr0graameR: arrival_date = forms.DateField(label=_('Arrival date'), input_formats=BOOKING_DATE_FORMAT, widget=DatePicker(
))
[10:59:08] GamePr0graameR: вопрос: какой из шаблонов в 1 строке будет использован?
[10:59:26] wiz: первый который прокатит
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[11:05:12] bobry: GamePr0graameR, http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/ref/forms/fields/#django.forms.DateField.input_formats
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сервер невезения, в нашей стойке есть...
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сервер невезения, в нашей стойке есть...
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[13:15:25] nmk: а collectd кто-нибудь использует?
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[13:41:41] slav0nic: socksipy юзал кто? это гавно хоть стабильно?
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[13:58:38] _lorien: у меня вроде работало, но я не тестировал в production масштабах
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[13:58:44] _lorien: pycurl wtf
[13:59:05] slav0nic: да мне в 1 поток в рпинципе
[13:59:12] slav0nic: пукурл да, хурошо
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[14:03:15] slav0nic: _lorien, а ты хендлеры для урллиба не ваял? чтоли Socks4/5 хенделр не выйдет написать? не пойму чего никто не написал простой хендлер вместо магии
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[14:06:03] _lorien: slav0nic, неа, я ваще хендлеры плохо вкуриваю, лазил в сорцы urllib2/httplib не очень понятно для меня
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[14:06:30] _lorien: ну сам механизм хендлеров понятен, Но чё-то не чувствую твёрдого понимания, как эта хуета работает с теми же проксями )
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[14:06:58] _lorien: т.е. я лазил, чтобы попытаться понять как дампить http-трафик и то не смог ))
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[14:11:40] tilarids: 2..__mul__(2) - от таких примеров объектно-ориентированность начинает казаться надуманной излишней фигней
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[14:14:31] piranha: ..?
[14:14:37] tilarids: piranha: ага
[14:14:47] piranha: а что это значит?
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[14:15:14] tilarids: 2. - floating point number, . - method call
[14:15:32] tilarids: 2.__mul__(2) при этом не сработает
[14:16:10] tilarids: но мне бы больше понравилось, если бы и 2..__mul__(2) не работало :)
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[14:16:34] xa4a: беспощадный парсер
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[14:20:23] nmk: tilarids: а где ты этот пример выцепил? ну, в смысле может статья какая есть?
[14:21:05] tilarids: nmk: это со стековерфлоу, оттуда же беспощадное class A(random.choice([B,C])): . Линк хочешь?
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[14:21:29] nmk: да, давай.
[14:21:37] nmk: ну это кстати не беспощадное :)
[14:21:39] tilarids: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1995113
[14:21:40] piranha: рандом.чойс - это ок
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[14:22:04] tilarids: ссылка летала с пару недель назад по интернетам, я только до нее добрался
[14:22:18] nmk: а. я ее видел. но не все видимо прочитал
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[14:23:19] mishok13: вот вам делать нехер
[14:23:26] tilarids: так я не спорю, что ок. Но вот мне до сих пор такое в голову не приходило. Соответственно, занимает почетное место рядом с #define sizeof(x) rand()
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[14:23:54] mishok13: заставить бы вас всех блокирующий код переделать под стеклэс
[14:23:58] mishok13: хоть польза была бы
[14:24:07] tilarids: mishok13: ты совершенно прав. И это меня удручает, я уже хочу кодить
[14:24:17] tilarids: а не сидеть и пытаться уразуметь теоркат
[14:24:37] mishok13: а ты что, на хаскеле теперь пишешь?
[14:24:51] mishok13: или кандидатскую?
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[14:27:10] tilarids: mishok13: нет, на хаскель я пока забил. Я сижу и жду, как заапрувят один из эстимейтов. Ожидание затягивается
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[14:29:46] mishok13: bitReader =: a. {~ _7 #.\ ({.~ <.&.(%&7)@#)
bitWriter =: , @ ((7$2) & #: @ (a.&i.)), 0 $~ 8 | #
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[14:30:04] mishok13: /me обожает J/K
[14:30:38] Lispython: _lorien, а ты больше не развиваешь dumpz?
[14:30:55] _lorien: неа
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[14:40:02] Typhon: /me начал читать Q for mortals
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[14:40:46] mishok13: зачем?
[14:40:48] Typhon: q ничо так, читабельный. про k кстати не понял пока, на kx.com триально можно kdb+ скачать, там только для q интерпретатор вроде
[14:41:04] Typhon: mishok13: посмотреть пока, интересно
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[14:41:42] mishok13: смотри, еще захватит мозг
[14:41:45] Typhon: вдруг я захочу стать Крутым Трейдером Который Срывает Миллионы За Две Минуты!
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[14:42:14] mishok13: Тогда Тебе Нужен Хаскиль Судя По Постам Наших Крутых Функциональщиков
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[14:42:32] Typhon: вообще оно конечно впечатляет, лаконичное, но в чужом таком как-то хер разберешься, думаю
[14:42:39] Typhon: штанга тяжеловата :)
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[14:42:42] mishok13: http://fprog.ru/planet/ <-- тутоньки
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[14:43:00] mishok13: """Решительно непонятно, как можно программировать на языке без dependent types. Такие костыли, знаете ли, получаются."""
[14:43:24] Typhon: это ж sorhed
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[14:44:02] Typhon: в смысле, там вечно что-то такое, с понтами :)
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[14:44:40] mishok13: еще есть jdevelop который ыхыхыхых ок лол ХАСКЕЛЬ УРА лисп гогно петонеры и рубята
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[14:45:24] Typhon: jdevelop у меня в рсс, он про пьянки хорошо пишет
[14:45:54] Typhon: что характерно, как и sorhed на скалу засматривается
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[14:46:52] mishok13: кложура мне больше понравилась
[14:47:05] mishok13: но вот как-то нету сил заставить себя в продакшн код на этом написать
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[14:50:39] mishok13: http://www.linux.org.ru/forum/development/5282355
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[14:56:00] Typhon: "А в это время конкуренты уже давно воспользовались GList / std::list / java.util.LinkedList / whatever, решили задачу, получили денежку и пропивают ее. ;)"
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[14:59:44] Lispython: а здесь есть кто-нибудь кто использует mondodb/redis/couch в качестве основного хранилища информации в место sql?
[14:59:54] gf: http://ataxi.biz логин: disp, пароль: disp
у меня, на файрфоксе с выключенным файрбагом не работают табы, включаю файрбаг - работают.. прошу уделить мне минутку, потестить и выдать результат:
файрбаг включен - табы работают/не работают
файрбаг выключен - табы работают/не работают
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[15:01:09] gf: Lispython я postgres только-только освоил.. а ты про nosql.. :)
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[15:01:43] Lispython: а в NoSQL и нечего осваивать
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[15:02:39] gf: Lispython тогда надо пейсать много кода.. чтоб джанга могла работать с хранилищем..
[15:02:42] erraen is now online
[15:02:56] mishok13: Lispython, я использую
[15:03:02] mishok13: nmk вроде бы использует
[15:03:29] Lispython: mishok13, какую именно и какие структуры данных хранишь?
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[15:03:32] Typhon: mishok13: а ты для чего пользуешь и которую?
[15:03:33] nmk: mishok13: а не в курсе чем отрисовывают графики?
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[15:03:57] mishok13: mongo, для хранения токенов и апикеев
[15:04:13] mishok13: Lispython, структура данных?
[15:04:16] Lispython: для oauth?
[15:04:26] mishok13: если бы бля oauth
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[15:04:40] mishok13: *для
[15:04:49] mishok13: *бля для
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[15:05:39] Lispython: да я не так выразился. Ну там всякие комментарии, рейтинги, логи может
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[15:06:20] mishok13: http://support.cloudmade.com/answers/api-keys-and-authentication
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[15:06:53] mishok13: нет, там именно хранение апикеев и токенов и связанной с ними мета-информации
[15:07:08] Lispython: mishok13, а у тебя монга не падала?
[15:07:15] mishok13: биллинг и прочие пользуются постгресом
[15:07:18] mishok13: падала
[15:07:20] mishok13: еще как
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[15:07:36] mishok13: и падает
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[15:07:59] mishok13: я уже наелся всех этих монго и каучей
[15:08:17] Typhon: тем временем 9постгре вот-вот выйдет %)
[15:08:28] mishok13: и использую bsddb где возможно и постгрес где нужен доступ по сети
[15:08:39] mishok13: memcachedb тоже падла падает, кстати
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[15:08:44] wiz: Typhon, а когда?
[15:08:54] mishok13: через 1,5-2 месяца
[15:09:01] wiz: mishok13, а как монга падала?
[15:09:09] Lispython: mishok13, а как там с восстановлением данных?
[15:09:15] Typhon: wiz: вообще в 20ых числах августа должен был быть, но ща rc1 вышел, так что может и через месяц, ага )
[15:09:25] gf: ктонить сможет потестить? это не займет больше минуты..
[15:09:27] mishok13: Lispython, у нас репликация обязательно
[15:09:35] mishok13: HA и вся фигня
[15:09:52] mishok13: и данные мы постоянно бекапим
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[15:10:10] mishok13: но она ни разу не падала так, чтобы данные повредить (пока-что)
[15:10:20] mishok13: во многом потому что это несильно нагруженый сервис
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[15:10:35] mishok13: ~2 req/s в среднем, с пиками до 5
[15:10:37] wiz: а с чего бы ей падать то?
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[15:10:52] mishok13: а вот меня это тоже интересовало первое время
[15:11:02] mishok13: потом я просто положил болт
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[15:11:14] wiz: 1.6?
[15:11:22] mishok13: с 1.1 и до 1.5
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[15:12:02] mishok13: до 1.6 мы не обновлялись еще
[15:12:08] wiz: и что, часто падает?
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[15:12:23] mishok13: раз в сутки-двое
[15:12:34] wiz: /me думает логи трафика загружать у провайдера - могут выебать за такие шутки
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[15:13:04] nmk: mishok13: а репликация у вас какая? master-slave?
[15:13:07] /zzz is now -Милицию переименуют в полицию.
-На очереди медики.
[15:13:11] mishok13: мастер-мастер
[15:13:25] nmk: эээ. на монге? replica pairs которая?
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[15:13:57] mishok13: ШТО
[15:14:35] mishok13: """v1.6.0 and higher."""
[15:14:37] Lispython: хочу попробовать mongo, но вот наслышан о её падениях
[15:14:41] mishok13: ооок
[15:14:49] mishok13: раньше была дока про мастер-мастер
[15:14:52] wiz: nmk, replica они sets, а не pairs
[15:14:53] mishok13: ну хуй с ним
[15:14:56] wiz: там меньше трёх узлов нельзя
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[15:15:08] nmk: wiz: mishok13: не. это replica set 1.6 и больше. а до этого были replica pairs
[15:15:09] mishok13: может нам и до 1.6 обновляться нельзя
[15:15:24] wiz: аа
[15:15:45] wiz: mishok13, падает только mongod или прям совсем весь хост?
[15:15:46] nmk: mishok13: а. я понял что за master-master у вас. это когда апдейты низя. мне такое не подходит. :)
[15:15:46] mishok13: http://www.mongodb.org/display/DOCS/Master+Master+Replication <--
[15:15:59] mishok13: когда-то там было написано "RECOMMENDED" ыхыххыхы
[15:16:09] mishok13: это вообще единственное было что заработало на 1.1
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[15:16:25] mishok13: wiz, только монго
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[15:18:18] Lispython: задам глупый вопрос, а там incr для документов можно делать при создании?
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[15:22:26] mishok13: я никогда не пробовал
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[15:29:34] bobry: pylons круче джанги потому что под джангу все апликухи сырые, поняли?
[15:29:36] bobry: :D
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[15:30:16] cutwater: лолшто?
[15:30:26] cutwater: =)
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[15:30:51] bobry: я вчера читал иде то
[15:31:01] bobry: это был аргумент против джанги
[15:31:10] cutwater: злостное 4.2
[15:31:10] slav0nic: под джангу можно смело удалить 90% апп на гитхабах и битбаскетах и ничё не изменится В)
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[15:31:17] bobry: true
[15:31:21] slav0nic: bobry, не ну я согласен как бы
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[15:31:25] slav0nic: что большая часть апп ганво
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[15:31:33] bobry: ну это же не вина фреймворка?
[15:31:34] slav0nic: даже вчера рнршнику говорил который на джангу смотрит
[15:31:37] slav0nic: не
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[15:31:46] slav0nic: ну многие гвоорят что дофига плагабле апп
[15:31:47] bobry: говно оно и в африке говно
[15:31:48] cutwater: пхпшники смотрят на джангу?
[15:31:51] cutwater: нетпути =(
[15:31:54] slav0nic: обычно эти советчики их не юзали
[15:31:57] slav0nic: дял своих целей
[15:32:03] bobry: cutwater, а ты шо не знал? я тока шо с собеседования. там как раз php->django
[15:32:20] cutwater: bobry: ну э... я бы на django пошел
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[15:32:23] cutwater: но пхп буэ...
[15:32:28] bobry: ну я уже сходил :)
[15:32:33] cutwater: и чо как?
[15:32:35] bobry: мигрировать там собрались
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[15:32:41] cutwater: правильно делают
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[15:32:44] bobry: та никак, народу нет — работы валом. врпягайся :)
[15:32:46] cutwater: я бы и на рельсы пошел
[15:32:53] bobry: /me не осилил рельсы
[15:32:58] cutwater: рельсы няшны на самом деле
[15:33:34] bobry: я и не спорю, когда нить я дам им второй шанс
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[15:34:29] Typhon: "Поисковые системы растут и развиваются вместе с интернетом. Перед пользователями постоянно появляются новые поисковые задачи, для решения которых разрабатываются новые продукты и сервисы. Вам предстоит заниматься разработкой и развитием колдунщиков." -- што такое "колдунщики"? oO
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[15:35:49] bobry: это откуда?
[15:36:04] Typhon: вакансия уЯндекса
[15:36:11] Typhon: http://company.yandex.ru/technology/features/ -- тут "колдунщики" эти
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[15:39:19] bobry: корпоративный юмор
[15:39:45] mishok13: второе бля это google: twisted factory
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[15:40:22] Typhon: Hardcore bondage sex, BDSM and wild kinky sex
[15:40:30] piranha: wtf kinky?
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[15:41:26] Lispython: мдя
[15:41:29] Lispython: mongo
mongo: error while loading shared libraries: libmozjs.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[15:41:41] Typhon: piranha: "извращенный", типа, емнип
[15:42:16] Typhon: http://ru.wiktionary.org/wiki/kinky <- оно со мной согласно
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[16:02:45] chernysh.vadim: Здраствуйте. Посоветуйте что-то для миграций?
[16:03:39] Lispython: south
[16:03:40] bobry: chernysh.vadim, джанго чтоли?
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[16:03:54] wiz: английский язык и счёт в международном банке
[16:03:58] bobry: :D
[16:04:11] chernysh.vadim: bobry: Да, для Джанго
[16:04:16] xa4a: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7T0_xWKmTo
[16:04:21] bobry: south / django_evolution
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[16:06:45] gf: xa4a lol
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[16:09:23] chernysh.vadim: Спасибо всем
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[16:11:00] bobry: да вроде особо не за что :)
[16:11:12] bobry: это все на первой странице гугла
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[16:11:19] gf: говори спасибо огурцу..
[16:11:30] bobry: огурцу?
[16:11:50] gf: ну.. сила из самой земли и все аткое..
[16:11:59] bobry: лол
[16:12:04] xa4a: !wtf геморрой http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7T0_xWKmTo
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[16:16:42] slav0nic: http://glamkit.org очередная свалка аля пинакс
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[16:17:13] bobry: да уж, пинакс, ewwww
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[16:21:25] chernysh.vadim: Ну я думал, мол вы посоветуете что лучше...
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[16:50:29] kwis: товарищи, подскажите, расширяю админку методом наследования. Создаю класс "CustomUserAdmin" в который хочу добавить свои поля. в итоге ошибка "'CustomUserAdmin.fieldsets[0][1]['fields']' refers to field 'provider' that is missing from the form." Что это и как с ним бороться???
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[16:51:13] kwis: хотя если в админку не добавлять своих полей, а только "list_display" то все прекрасно работает
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-На очереди медики.
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[17:58:50] Lispython: mishok13, а какие либы используешь для монги?
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[17:59:26] mishok13: собственно, у меня там задачи простейшие -- положи да вынь, поэтому только pymongo
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[18:31:22] deepwalker: да pymongo зачастую вполне хватит
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[18:31:50] deepwalker: на flatland можно еще валидацию забубенить
[18:31:55] deepwalker: если надо
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[18:34:24] Lispython: я хотел попробовать что-то вроде mongoengine
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[18:37:24] deepwalker: mongoengine это в котором монструозные конструкции?
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[18:37:39] xa4a: монгструозные?
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[18:48:24] Lispython: deepwalker, почему, такие же модели как для djangoorm
[18:49:00] deepwalker: такие же?
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[18:50:03] deepwalker: да ну там же чтобы сложную структуру задать убиться надо
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[18:50:23] deepwalker: орм джанги он и заточен под плоские таблицы
[18:50:33] deepwalker: потому делать орм джанги для nosql тупо
[18:50:37] Lispython: deepwalker, ты svarga фанат?
[18:50:52] deepwalker: там по типу джанги орм
[18:50:59] deepwalker: так что не важно
[18:51:08] Lispython: MongoEngine is an Object-Document Mapper, written in Python for working with MongoDB.
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[18:52:02] deepwalker: м, да я как бы в курсе
[18:52:13] _lorien: перед юзаньем mongoengine/mongokit мне кажется имееет смысл разобраться с pymongo, чтобы лучше понимать более сложные либы, навороченные поверх него
[18:52:14] deepwalker: я с ней игрался, и пришел к выводу, что хрень
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[18:53:13] deepwalker: она не помогает и не абстрагирует, а вставляет палки в колеса
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[18:54:34] Lispython: pymongo 'это грубо говоря то же самый mongo shell в представлении питона?
[18:55:00] deepwalker: да, наверное можно так выразиться
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[18:55:21] deepwalker: Lispython, и да, я svarga фанат : )
[18:55:37] deepwalker: я под нее даже попиливал монго, но бросил, после хреновых о монго отзывах
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[18:57:18] Lispython: расскажи о хреновых отзывах, что б я ещё подумал :-)
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[19:01:49] deepwalker: вот mishok13 сегодня рассказывал, что падает постоянно
[19:02:16] deepwalker: еще встречал отзыв о больших проблемах с восстановлением после сбоя
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[19:02:25] deepwalker: короче нестабильная она
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[19:02:40] deepwalker: ну вот и смысл тестером выступать? : )
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[19:03:17] deepwalker: правда если поставить много серверов, репликацию, бекапы, то жить можно
[19:03:22] deepwalker: вроде как
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[19:03:52] Lispython: а имеет ли смысл в таких случаях репликация на второй mongodb сервер, находящийся на тоже машине?
[19:04:05] deepwalker: я думаю нет
[19:04:11] deepwalker: нужно несколько машин
[19:04:23] Lispython: ну нескольких у меня нет
[19:04:24] deepwalker: и еще лучше не на одной фазе и не в России :-D
[19:04:42] deepwalker: Читал, что у коуча такой проблемы нету
[19:04:51] Lispython: ну я и так как бы хощусь не в россии
[19:05:20] deepwalker: то есть что у коуча в первую очередь реализована сохранность данных
[19:05:46] Lispython: по коучу как-то инфы в разы меньше
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[19:05:57] deepwalker: да? странно
[19:05:58] xa4a: в коуче write-only лог
[19:06:05] deepwalker: ему больше времени
[19:06:15] deepwalker: xa4a, append only?
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[19:06:21] xa4a: deepwalker: да
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[19:06:41] deepwalker: ну это ж хорошо
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[19:07:13] xa4a: да, вполне
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[19:58:18] _lorien: А кто тут кидал список фриланс бирж? Я кажется прое... ссылку.
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[20:13:50] bobry: ща найду
[20:14:10] bobry: http://boxmodeljunkie.com/the-ultimate-freelance-job-board-list-2010/
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[20:29:40] Lispython: http://wrttn.me/f9789d/ вот какие они наши губераторы!
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[20:30:32] Lispython: упс, не туда
[20:31:10] bobry: :D
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[20:56:38] nott is now offline
[20:57:27] evrial is now online
[20:58:56] Zubchick is now holi macaroni
[20:59:08] erraen is now online
[20:59:08] erraen is now online
[20:59:24] Lispython is now offline
[20:59:40] Lispython is now online
[21:00:38] piranha is now offline
[21:00:54] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
[21:01:21] cybergrind is now online
[21:02:27] evrial is now online
[21:03:21] erraen is now online
[21:03:47] razum2um is now offline
[21:03:58] Zubchick is now holi macaroni
[21:05:02] serg.makar is now offline
[21:06:22] cybergrind is now online
[21:07:12] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
[21:07:28] evrial is now online
[21:07:39] gigimon is now offline
[21:08:20] erraen is now online
[21:08:58] Zubchick is now holi macaroni
[21:09:44] Lispython is now away
[21:11:22] cybergrind is now online
[21:12:11] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
[21:12:42] evrial is now online
[21:13:32] erraen is now online
[21:13:54] Zubchick is now holi macaroni
[21:16:23] cybergrind is now online
[21:16:42] Lispython is now online
[21:17:12] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
[21:18:34] evrial is now online
[21:18:50] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
[21:18:53] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
[21:18:55] Zubchick is now holi macaroni
[21:19:20] erraen is now online
[21:19:20] erraen is now offline
[21:19:26] erraen is now online
[21:19:27] erraen is now online
[21:21:23] cybergrind is now online
[21:21:45] Lispython is now away
[21:21:51] _lorien is now offline
[21:21:52] _lorien is now xa
[21:21:56] _lorien is now xa
[21:22:13] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
[21:22:44] evrial is now offline
[21:23:15] erraen is now online
[21:23:16] erraen is now online
[21:23:54] Zubchick is now holi macaroni
[21:25:15] ds.tihonov is now дома! :)
[21:26:19] Lispython is now offline
[21:26:23] cybergrind is now online
[21:26:32] Lispython is now away
[21:27:11] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
[21:28:06] erraen is now online
[21:28:15] evrial is now online
[21:28:45] evrial is now online
[21:28:52] Zubchick is now holi macaroni
[21:31:22] cybergrind is now online
[21:31:45] Lispython is now xa
[21:32:30] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
[21:32:31] serg.makar is now offline
[21:33:05] erraen is now online
[21:33:23] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
[21:33:25] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
[21:33:45] evrial is now online
[21:33:52] Zubchick is now holi macaroni
[21:36:23] cybergrind is now online
[21:36:40] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
[21:37:11] Lispython is now online
[21:37:17] Lispython is now offline
[21:38:06] erraen is now online
[21:38:45] evrial is now online
[21:38:52] Zubchick is now holi macaroni
[21:41:23] cybergrind is now online
[21:41:40] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
[21:43:06] erraen is now online
[21:43:44] evrial is now online
[21:43:52] Zubchick is now holi macaroni
[21:46:24] cybergrind is now online
[21:46:39] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
[21:47:18] ds.tihonov is now offline
[21:47:50] ds.tihonov is now дома! :)
[21:48:07] erraen is now online
[21:48:08] erraen is now online
[21:48:45] evrial is now online
[21:48:52] Zubchick is now holi macaroni
[21:51:24] cybergrind is now online
[21:51:39] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
[21:52:02] PC is now online
[21:53:07] erraen is now online
[21:53:43] evrial is now online
[21:53:52] Zubchick is now holi macaroni
[21:55:04] PC is now offline
[21:55:19] PC is now online
[21:56:24] cybergrind is now online
[21:56:39] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
[21:57:03] piranha is now Amat victoria curam
[21:58:08] erraen is now online
[21:58:43] evrial is now online
[21:58:52] Zubchick is now holi macaroni
[21:59:16] Typhon is now online
[22:01:24] cybergrind is now online
[22:01:39] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
[22:03:08] erraen is now online
[22:03:24] xa4a is now online
[22:03:43] evrial is now online
[22:03:52] Zubchick is now holi macaroni
[22:06:24] cybergrind is now online
[22:06:38] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
[22:07:08] cutwater is now offline
[22:08:09] erraen is now online
[22:08:44] evrial is now online
[22:08:50] Zubchick is now holi macaroni
[22:11:24] cybergrind is now online
[22:11:39] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
[22:13:09] erraen is now online
[22:13:46] evrial is now online
[22:13:49] PC is now offline
[22:13:50] Zubchick is now holi macaroni
[22:16:24] cybergrind is now online
[22:16:40] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
[22:17:47] PC is now online
[22:18:10] erraen is now online
[22:18:14] piranha is now offline
[22:18:15] piranha is now Amat victoria curam
[22:18:46] evrial is now online
[22:18:50] Zubchick is now holi macaroni
[22:21:23] cybergrind is now online
[22:21:39] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
[22:23:05] erraen is now online
[22:23:48] evrial is now online
[22:23:51] Zubchick is now holi macaroni
[22:26:39] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
[22:26:40] cybergrind is now online
[22:28:05] erraen is now online
[22:28:06] erraen is now online
[22:28:48] evrial is now online
[22:28:51] Zubchick is now holi macaroni
[22:31:40] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
[22:32:37] cybergrind is now online
[22:32:37] cybergrind is now offline
[22:32:55] cybergrind is now online
[22:32:57] cybergrind is now online
[22:33:06] erraen is now online
[22:33:34] cybergrind is now online
[22:33:48] evrial is now online
[22:33:52] Zubchick is now holi macaroni
[22:36:39] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
[22:38:05] ds.tihonov is now offline
[22:38:07] erraen is now online
[22:38:35] cybergrind is now online
[22:38:44] bobry is now away
[22:38:48] evrial is now online
[22:38:52] Zubchick is now holi macaroni
[22:41:40] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
[22:43:08] erraen is now online
[22:43:36] cybergrind is now online
[22:43:50] evrial is now online
[22:43:53] Zubchick is now holi macaroni
[22:46:39] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
[22:46:57] theli is now offline
[22:47:03] evrial is now offline
[22:48:08] erraen is now online
[22:48:35] cybergrind is now online
[22:48:44] bobry is now xa
[22:48:53] Zubchick is now holi macaroni
[22:50:05] /zzz is now away
[22:51:40] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
[22:51:44] PC is now away
[22:53:09] erraen is now online
[22:53:35] cybergrind is now online
[22:53:53] Zubchick is now holi macaroni
[22:56:40] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
[22:58:10] erraen is now online
[22:58:36] cybergrind is now online
[22:58:44] PC is now online
[22:58:53] Zubchick is now holi macaroni
[23:01:33] piranha is now away
[23:01:39] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
[23:01:47] Joes is now offline
[23:03:10] erraen is now online
[23:03:36] cybergrind is now online
[23:03:53] Zubchick is now holi macaroni
[23:05:06] razum2um is now online
[23:06:40] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
[23:08:11] erraen is now online
[23:08:38] cybergrind is now online
[23:08:53] Zubchick is now holi macaroni
[23:11:41] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
[23:13:11] erraen is now online
[23:13:38] cybergrind is now online
[23:13:53] Zubchick is now holi macaroni
[23:16:05] PC is now offline
[23:16:40] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
[23:17:21] erraen is now offline
[23:18:38] cybergrind is now online
[23:18:54] Zubchick is now holi macaroni
[23:20:13] xa4a is now online
[23:20:27] xa4a is now online
[23:21:40] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
[23:22:02] Zubchick is now offline
[23:23:37] cybergrind is now online
[23:24:50] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
[23:24:51] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
[23:24:54] serg.makar is now away
[23:26:41] serg.makar is now away
[23:28:03] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
[23:28:04] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
[23:28:11] piranha is now Amat victoria curam
[23:28:38] cybergrind is now online
[23:31:47] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
[23:33:39] cybergrind is now online
[23:36:41] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
[23:38:41] cybergrind is now online
[23:40:00] piranha is now away
[23:41:05] razum2um is now offline
[23:41:41] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
[23:42:06] piranha is now Amat victoria curam
[23:43:42] cybergrind is now online
[23:44:54] serg.makar is now away
[23:44:55] serg.makar is now away
[23:46:41] serg.makar is now away
[23:48:18] gigimon is now Да, я здесь.
[23:48:42] cybergrind is now online
[23:50:41] xa4a is now online
[23:51:42] serg.makar is now away
[23:53:43] cybergrind is now online
[23:54:57] serg.makar is now away
[23:54:58] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
[23:56:42] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
[23:58:43] cybergrind is now online