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[00:01:28] xa4a: там extension point
[00:01:52] xa4a: http://hh.ua/vacancy/3274579 кстати, если кто не видел
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[01:00:06] slav0nic: http://code.google.com/intl/ru-RU/edu/languages/google-python-class/index.html

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[01:10:52] kwis: почему не работает ???
{% if user.is_superuser %} <p>Welcome, {{ user.username }}. Thanks for logging in.</p>
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[01:14:29] bobry: kwis, почему ???
[01:14:33] bobry: чего у тебя не работает та
[01:15:33] kwis: почему-то начинаю думать что из-за того что модель юзеров переделывал...
там же в темплейт ничего больше добавлять не надо чтоб заработало???
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[01:21:58] kwis: отходил...
[01:22:08] kwis: рассказываю...
[01:22:30] kwis: хочу на странице вывести имя юзера если он суперюзер
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[01:49:04] kwis: народ, ну подскажите почему я в темплейте достать {{ user.username }}. Хотя во вьюшке request.user.is_authenticated() прекрасно работает
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[07:23:20] bobry: kwis, как шаблон рендеришь? в TEMPLATE_CONTEXT_PROCESSORS auth есть?
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[09:51:31] mishok13: пацаны, а только у меня клиенты жабберные ругаются что ссл-сертификат jabber.ru изменился?
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[09:54:05] Typhon: вчера гажим молчал, сегодня пиджин молчит.
[09:54:09] mishok13: """Заявки на "голос" публиковать в статусе, приваты запрещены из-за спамеров-флудерастов""" бля ад
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[09:54:40] Typhon: эта хде?
[09:54:45] slav0nic: у меня вчера изменился серт
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[09:55:06] mishok13: python@c.j.r
[09:55:14] mishok13: ну слава богу
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[09:56:53] slav0nic: да ну их, там тухло)
[09:57:02] slav0nic: тут хоть какая-то своя тусовка)
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[09:59:34] mishok13: мне просто интересно что за три месяца поменялось
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[12:02:25] kwis: народ, здравствуйте еще раз. Спрошу еще раз и успокоюсь. В шаблоне не могу добраться до {% if user.is_superuser %} (выводится пустота) во вьюшке request.user.is_authenticated() работает. Все подключено (в сетингах) по умолчанию. Уже перечитал не на одном сайте как оно должно работать и все сделал как расказывали. но не работает. есть идеи почему?
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[12:13:27] wiz: в шаблоне как раз user.
[12:13:33] _lorien: kwis, {{ user}} у тебя будет только если:
* ты используешь RequestConext для редеринга твоего шаблона
* у тебя есть 'django.core.context_processors.auth' в settings.TEMPLATE_CONTEXT_PROCESSORS

request.user тут ваще не причём :)
[12:13:35] wiz: если это джанга, а не жижа
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[12:14:07] _lorien: {{ request.user }} также может быть в шаблоне, это 'django.core.context_processors.request' процессор - кладёт request в контекст
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[12:22:04] kwis: мдаа... просто надо было добавить к вьюшке context_instance=RequestContext(request)
[12:22:15] kwis: все, всем спасибо, решено
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[14:29:00] AlexKiriukha: Приве всем. Возник вопрос по pdb, точнее ipdb. Я иду по программе и получаю эксепшен. Есть ли команда чтобы получить этот эксепшен в переменную?
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[14:39:47] AlexKiriukha: Вероятно я не так выразился. Просто иду по коду и тут оно вываливается. Внезапно и неожиданно. И я бы хотел его покрутить, только вот не знаю как достать
[14:40:09] AlexKiriukha: Т.е. прямо в дебагере посмотреть его внутренности
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[14:41:08] foobarblah: ребята, не могу сообразить, орм уже все знания отбило :).. мне надо отсортировать модели по рейтингу из django-voting, только рейтинг не для самих моделей выставляется а для пользователей их создавших object.user вобщем, это ведь реально, правда? надо только сообразить extra нужный? а то вот для самих моделей что рейтингуются я сделал get_query_set советов много, а вот как сделать для этого ?
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[14:44:02] Typhon: AlexKiriukha: sys.exc_info()
[14:44:18] Typhon: (Pdb) import sys
(Pdb) sys.exc_info()
[14:44:24] foobarblah: slav0nic: слап
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[14:45:21] slav0nic: думаеш ья помню чё за модели в джанго вотинг)
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[14:45:59] slav0nic: на хабре чёт было
[14:46:03] slav0nic: http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/django/19927/
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[14:46:51] AlexKiriukha: Typhon: спасибо, что нужно. Думал команда дебагера есть, но и так годится
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[14:47:44] xa4a: foobarblah: order_by('user__rating') или как там
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[14:55:12] gf: насколько реально декомпилировать .pyc?
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[14:56:35] Typhon: ищи в инете, есть сервисы %)
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[14:56:52] gf: да не. .:)
[14:57:02] gf: мне защититься надо а не взломать.. :)
[14:57:20] gf: хочу ставить свое поделие на сервер заказчика
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[14:57:51] gf: есть опасения, что это закончится без профита..
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[14:58:12] gf: вот и спрашиваю, насколько это ресурсоемко?
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[14:58:37] gf: так то уже погуглил..
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[14:59:38] gf: но полностью тему освоить и оценить - не пальцы мочить..
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[15:04:47] foobarblah: xa4a: дло в том что у юзера нет поля rating
[15:04:57] foobarblah: оно дается черед extra
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[15:06:07] foobarblah: в кастомном менеджере, которым впрочем заменены objects, блин может и проканает, щас попробую, идея хороша
[15:06:08] xa4a: gf: думаю, байт-код должен довольно близко восстанавливаться в реальный код
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[15:07:28] theli: декомпилировать рельно но доступных бесплатных средств для >2.5 в паблике нет
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[15:07:45] theli: или по крайней мере не было последний раз когда я этим интересовался
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[15:08:03] gf: насколько этот процесс профессиональный?
[15:08:12] Typhon: gf если хочешь защититься читай светлов на форуме python.su -- он несколько раз писал как и что
[15:08:15] gf: у меня pythin2.6
[15:08:31] gf: Typhon ок, сеньк за наводку!
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[15:10:03] Typhon: для декомпиляции были в интернетах сервисах уровня "отошли pyc получи py", т.е. просто достаточно. защищайся лицензиями и договорами. и форк бомбой в кроне ^_^
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[15:11:20] gf: Typhon те сервисы, которые я нашел, бесплатно декомпилировали не более 5кб
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[15:12:04] Typhon: ну может быть, я не помню ограничений :)
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[15:15:05] gf: Typhon ты в состоянии написать код, который декомпилирует .pyc?
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[15:16:14] gf: ээ.. возможно, это был нескромный вопрос.. :)
[15:16:34] foobarblah: а нахуя простите это делать ?
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[15:16:59] gf: foobarblah чтоб не платить бабло.. не очевидно?
[15:17:03] foobarblah: код компилятора открыт, бери и пиши если надо, но все равно ИСХОДНОГО КОДА ты не получишь, подобие какое-то да, но это будет не тот код что б взять его и продолжить писать
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[15:17:25] gf: foobarblah это уже радует.. :)
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[15:18:32] Typhon: gf: хз, договора пиши, лицензии. я бы байт код читал, наверное. а пользовать я и pyc могу, без py и бабло платить не буду тебе, ежели я злоумышленник
[15:18:34] gf: foobarblah плиз, помоги мне осознать насколько это будет "не тот код" и какие навыки необходимы для того чтоб "продолжить писать"
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[15:19:21] gf: Typhon ну код то не совершенен.. :)
[15:19:52] gf: тем более код от "бригада - три гада". .:)
[15:20:19] gf: мне бы не хотелось появления его форка
[15:20:41] gf: ну а то, что его будут юзать без поддержки.. им же дороже будет..
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[15:21:03] Typhon: есть мнение, что сторонний человек, который будет делать работу по декомпиляции + работу по втыканию в получившийся код + въезжание в архитектуру + доработку будет стоить дороже чем твои услуги по доработке.
[15:21:04] foobarblah: не понял
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[15:21:06] foobarblah: что ты хочешь узнать?
[15:21:12] foobarblah: легче заново написать чем декомпилировать
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[15:21:18] foobarblah: или ты о своем коде печешься ?
[15:21:31] foobarblah: я бы на твоем месте сделал его опенсорс, тогда он вообще станет неуязвим
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[15:22:03] gf: Typhon понял. спс.
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[15:22:35] gf: foobarblah да, мои компаньоны предлагали мне его открыть.. но я против..
[15:22:45] foobarblah: почему же?
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[15:22:56] foobarblah: если ты его откроешь все будут знать что он твой и никто уже не сможет его украсть
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[15:23:16] foobarblah: а так ктото все равно напишет чтото похожее и откроет, а ты останешься с корытом
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[15:24:01] foobarblah: но а вообще пацаны правильно говорят, можно и pyc юзать
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[15:24:22] foobarblah: короче ты какойто мудак из 90х а не представитель прогрессивного сообщества программистов из 21 века
[15:24:23] foobarblah: так то
[15:24:33] gf: foobarblah тут много ньюансов.. но то, что опенсорс полезнейшая весчь - я уверен.
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[15:24:34] foobarblah: наваял там хуиту какуюто и код жмет
[15:24:46] gf: foobarblah гг.. давай без личностей..
[15:24:47] foobarblah: еще и трясется что его там декомпилируют
[15:24:48] foobarblah: смешно
[15:24:54] foobarblah: )))
[15:24:57] foobarblah: ну ты меня понял :)
[15:25:01] foobarblah: я же не со зла
[15:25:18] gf: foobarblah я понял, другой может не понять и огорчиться..
[15:25:46] foobarblah: ну мы же прогрессивные люди ;)
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[15:26:16] gf: foobarblah этот момент требует полного осознания выгод и приобретений. до этого момента код надо держать при себе.
[15:26:34] bobry: foobarblah, тебе сколько лет?
[15:26:35] foobarblah: а что за код хоть ?
[15:26:39] foobarblah: 24
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[15:26:44] bobry: не ожидал
[15:26:48] gf: юношеский максимализм
[15:26:50] gf: :)
[15:26:57] bobry: в расцвете
[15:27:20] gf: foobarblah система автоматизации диспетчерских такси
[15:27:33] foobarblah: охлол
[15:27:48] wiz: фигле там автоматизировать то?
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[15:27:50] foobarblah: ну я не о том говорил что весь код открывать надо, пацаны
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[15:28:00] gf: wiz ээ?
[15:28:05] foobarblah: я говорил о том что если чтото ценное и сцыш то лучше да чем нет ибо открытым он всегда с тобой останется
[15:28:13] wiz: btw, такие вещи надо вообще продавать вместе с железкой в аренду
[15:28:24] foobarblah: я кстати учавствовал в похожем прожекте, но для диспетчерских мы юзали чтото готовое а я писал j2me клиент
[15:28:39] gf: wiz это мнение тоже живет и процветает. я хочу сдавать в аренду.
[15:28:44] bobry: жалко в gajim нельзя как в ирковских клиентах скрыть какого нить пользователя :)
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[15:28:55] gf: foobarblah да, у нас он уже готов.
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[15:29:14] foobarblah: bobry: это ты меня хочешь скрыть?
[15:29:32] bobry: ну или фильтр какой нить поставить на реплики
[15:29:35] foobarblah: gf: у нас тоже.. только теперь там чел начал с астериксом чтото мутить
[15:29:44] foobarblah: gf: чтоб уже ну ваще без диспетчера лол
[15:29:52] foobarblah: bobry: на какие например ?
[15:29:53] wiz: gf, ну тогда и не парься с защитой
[15:29:55] gf: foobarblah утопия.
[15:30:33] gf: foobarblah расчет стоимости поездки делали?
[15:30:48] Typhon: gf: а как тебе вообще могут не заплатить бабла, если ты по накладной какой-нибудь софт передаешь?
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[15:31:12] foobarblah: gf: я щас этим не занимаюсь
[15:31:36] foobarblah: Typhon: ога, документы же подписываются договора и т.п. и вообще бабло какбэ вперед надо брать...
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[15:31:45] foobarblah: ну и такси это такая тема
[15:32:03] foobarblah: это ж не то что прогу выслал и все, там тебе минимум на месяц зависнуть прийдется с деплоем и обучением персонала )
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[15:32:25] slav0nic: The PSF Board approved a grant of $750US to support PyCon Ukraine.

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[15:32:47] bobry: лол, погуляете там в киеве D:
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[15:33:28] bobry: а вход всего $26, билеты и те в 2 раза дороже получатся в одну сторону :)
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[15:33:42] gf: Typhon wiz foobarblah эта тема не для чата а для большой попойки, с блекджеком и куртизантками..
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[15:33:51] gf: всего не обсудишь..
[15:33:54] Typhon: о, регистрация началась, уиха!
[15:33:56] bobry: «final list of speakers will be availble at the 10th of October as the result of the votes for talk proposals» никто не знает иди proposals то?
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[15:36:40] foobarblah: а когда pycon ???????
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[15:36:44] foobarblah: а то я какраз в киев переехал
[15:36:50] Typhon: ua.pycon.org
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[15:37:44] slav0nic: кто идёть?
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[15:38:19] slav0nic: там всё на аницком
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[15:38:22] Typhon: я ехать собираюсь
[15:38:34] slav0nic: *англицком
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[15:39:17] Typhon: с билетами не понял пока, кассы какие-то, карточкой оплатить и код на мыло можно, не?
[15:40:24] gf: foobarblah ты юзаешь ники maddaemon и daemonicsoul?
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[15:40:58] Typhon: а кто на препати собирается?
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[15:43:06] wiz: а где/что это ?
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[15:43:37] foobarblah: gf: нет
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[15:43:55] foobarblah: Typhon: бля на английском..у меня с разговорным туго, так толь в чатиках да доку читать :(
[15:44:07] foobarblah: я б пошел, уже наже прогуглил по карте где это
[15:44:41] tilarids: /me будет ждать хоть какого-нибудь расписания. Возможно, я не попаду вообще :(
[15:45:02] piranha is now Amat victoria curam
[15:45:10] tilarids: зато на афтер-пати должен попасть, если будет :)
[15:45:28] Typhon: wiz: в пятницу перед пайконом препати будет
[15:45:48] wiz: это надо на неделю в Киев приезжать
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[15:47:06] bobry: очень все таки жаль что нет mute
[15:47:24] gf: bobry что с ним случилось?
[15:47:32] bobry: я немного не понимаю организаторов. времени осталось всего ничего, а нет ни докладчиков ни расписания — вообще ничего.
[15:47:34] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
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[15:47:46] bobry: gf, разве он есть для MUC?
[15:47:47] Typhon: wiz: зачем, в 6 утра из москвы выехал, к вечеру приехал (в как раз) если на поезде
[15:47:49] evrial is now online
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[15:48:04] wiz: и что, мне так три дня туда-сюда кататься? (=
[15:48:16] wiz: пре, 23-24 и какой-то афтер ещё
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[15:48:24] gf: bobry гг.. мне показалось.. :)
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[15:49:47] tilarids: wiz: про афтер пока молчок
[15:49:56] tilarids: /me просто предположил, что она будет
[15:50:11] Typhon: ну афтер должна в воскресенье, не в понедельник же
[15:50:28] wiz: ну как минимум сразу после конфы точно народ куда-нибудь завалится (=
[15:50:42] wiz: а я опять на поезд опоздаю (ж
[15:50:51] Typhon: бери на утро понедельника билет
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[15:51:08] Typhon: а ночь туси в клубе, если в гостинице лениво
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[15:53:40] gf: а с утра на пайкон, а к вечеру снова в клуб.. таблеточками закинуться..
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[15:54:09] gf: ..и по циклу..
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[15:54:37] mishok13: мне кажется, что два месяца организаторы просто хуй ложили
[15:54:47] mishok13: июль и август имеются в виду
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[15:55:34] Typhon: 750 баксов пропивали ^_^
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[15:58:24] slav0nic: в dpkg-buildpackage есть кошерный способ не применять определённый патч?
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[15:59:29] deepwalker: ага, удалить из series
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[16:07:48] slav0nic: мерси
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[16:10:31] slav0nic: млять люблю я дебиан, но когда реч заходит о кодеках которые не совсем подходят под философию дистра....
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[16:15:23] bobry: например?
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[16:17:48] wiz: mp3
[16:17:50] wiz: :coolface:
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[16:18:17] bobry: да ну, в дебиане нет mp3 кодека? что то я не припомню такого
[16:18:41] xenolog is now Отгоняя прочь ночную жуть, я с утра до вечера корячусь. Как шахтер, продукт произвожу, и в работе, как в болоте прячусь. Исчезаю, сдав себя в наем, как в ночной туман на дне оврага, Чтоб не видеть света даже днем! А, гори она огнем! Вся эта шарага!
[16:18:49] novus42 is now online
[16:19:47] slav0nic: aac кодек например)
[16:19:57] serg.makar is now All the great things are simple
[16:20:11] slav0nic: блять ради того чтобю посомтреть фтуураму сидишь пересобираешь ffmpeg с deb-src
[16:20:14] slav0nic: а там ещё и патчи не прокатывают
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[16:21:46] mishok13: бубунта фтв?
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[16:25:49] slav0nic: mishok13, я debian sid юзаю, в принципе таже бубунта) кроме мелочей
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[18:06:50] AlexKiriukha: На ЛОРе пишут про выход CEDET. Хотел спросить у емаксеров как оно для python/html/js?
[18:07:15] jedgar is now online
[18:07:35] piranha: плохо
[18:07:40] piranha: мало поддержки питона
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[18:11:17] AlexKiriukha: Я просто емакс пару раз пускал и всё. Особенностей не понял, но и в виме за пару раз их не поймёшь. Из того, что пробовал, лучше всего с питоном было у эклипса (правда я мало чего пробовал).
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[18:11:36] AlexKiriukha: Просто java ide пугают :-(
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[18:17:00] bobry: cedet очень сильно тормозит emacs
[18:17:19] bobry: и для питона там в принципе кроме симпатичного code-folding и ничего afaik :)
[18:17:33] bobry: мб completion уже есть — я не в курсе
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[18:18:17] piranha: ничего хорошего для питона в цедете практически нет
[18:18:20] piranha: буквально зародыши
[18:18:34] piranha: как только начинаешь чем-то радоваться, сразу оказывается, что оно недоделано
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[18:20:37] AlexKiriukha: Слышал про rope и оно вроде есть для emacs и vim. Что за зверь? Просто хочу по свободе emacs пощщупать
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[18:22:16] xa4a: rope, бывает, работает
[18:22:23] bobry: xa4a, хорошо сказано
[18:22:38] bobry: у меня то работает его completion, то не работает. то вообще pymacs умирает
[18:22:43] bobry: rentacoder должен умереть
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[18:22:53] piranha: completion - тормозит
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[18:23:09] piranha: я из rope в конце концов пользовался только "go to definition"
[18:23:24] piranha: а щас забодал висящий постоянно pymacs и забил вообще
[18:23:41] bobry: pymacs еще умирает если закрыть*Pymacs* по ошибке
[18:23:46] bobry: и открывать его заново он не хочет
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[18:23:57] piranha: :))
[18:23:59] bobry: может это как то лечится, правда
[18:24:06] bobry: но баг совершенно идиотский
[18:24:09] piranha: у меня были какие-то функции по убитию всего и релоаду
[18:24:12] piranha: а!
[18:24:26] piranha: меня заипало, что питоновские файлы долго грузятся из-за роуп, потому я отказался
[18:24:48] bobry: а шо он как то их обрабатывает?
[18:25:34] piranha: ага
[18:25:39] piranha: ему в рожу их пыжуют
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[18:26:06] AlexKiriukha: Странно как-то. А под windows есть что-то для python?
[18:26:13] xa4a: надо попробовать снести, всё, что за пару лет накопилось в конфигах вима по дополнению и попробовать заново настроить..
[18:26:21] xa4a: AlexKiriukha: vim
[18:26:24] _lorien: под windows есть vim
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[18:26:52] AlexKiriukha: Он везде есть. Я о "графической супер пупер ide"
[18:27:06] piranha: PyCharm? )
[18:27:23] bobry: она же платная не?
[18:27:30] AlexKiriukha: Даже выкачивал, но забил. За него же потом деньги хотят
[18:27:36] piranha: xa4a: s/заново настроить/emacs/
[18:27:42] bobry: ну если хороший продукт, почему бы не купить :)
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[18:27:58] bobry: (setq hollywar-mode t)
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[18:28:08] piranha: holywar с одной l
[18:28:32] xa4a: ну если после настройки с чистого конфига выйдет то же, что и сейчас - обязательно попробую)
[18:29:09] bobry: у меня проблема с двойными буквами :D
[18:29:12] bobry: в обоих языках
[18:29:18] bobry: я всегда вижу их там где их нет
[18:29:38] gf: bobry тогда надо пейсать: двойнымми
[18:29:51] bobry: gf, так и пишу же :)
[18:30:15] bobry: а у сварги админка есть уже в каком нить виде?
[18:30:18] gf: bobry тогда почему у тебя "проблемма" с одной м?
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[18:30:33] gf: :)
[18:30:36] bobry: gf, ну это не для всех слов одинакого работает
[18:30:37] piranha: bobry: в каком-нить - да
[18:30:46] piranha: deepwalker: ^
[18:30:49] bobry: а потрогать иде нить можно?
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[18:30:57] piranha: посмотреть в семплы?
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[18:31:10] bobry: окей
[18:31:17] deepwalker: bobry, есть, фильтры пока не прикручены
[18:31:25] piranha: хз, у меня такая херь творицо тут, шо я отвлëкся от всех своих проектов :(
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[18:31:49] bobry: @as_html() :/
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[18:32:13] nmk: а кто куда логи пишет? ну, что бы потом там что-то проагрегирвовать и положить в архив
[18:32:14] piranha: шо такое?
[18:32:27] piranha: bobry: шо не так с as_html?
[18:32:29] bobry: да ну, это не айс когда декоратор подменяет тип возвращаемого значения
[18:32:42] bobry: в tg та же фигня
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[18:32:55] deepwalker: практиси битс факин пурити
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[18:33:07] xa4a: nmk: логи? чат?
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[18:33:15] piranha: bobry: сагалаев в чате? )
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[18:33:40] bobry: deepwalker, да ну, @as_html(...) и return as_html(template, {}) — не много тут практичности та
[18:33:48] piranha: ха
[18:33:56] nmk: xa4a: да не. там пользователь сделал то-то и то-то. потом я по этой порнухе пройдусь и построю что-то сводное. mongodb хорошо, но эта тварь же не очистит место после того как я это сотру
[18:34:01] piranha: ничо-ничо, я щас допишу туда пару строк и поговорим
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[18:34:03] nmk: очередь что-ли какую взять для этого
[18:34:09] bobry: ну хорошо, вы там наверное подгружаете шаблон один раз
[18:34:13] bobry: в декораторе
[18:34:16] xenolog is now Отгоняя прочь ночную жуть, я с утра до вечера корячусь. Как шахтер, продукт произвожу, и в работе, как в болоте прячусь. Исчезаю, сдав себя в наем, как в ночной туман на дне оврага, Чтоб не видеть света даже днем! А, гори она огнем! Вся эта шарага!
[18:34:17] bobry: тогда мб
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[18:34:28] piranha: bobry: смотри:

@as_html
def some_method():
ololo
yield {'one': 'two'}
….
yield {'three': 'four'}
[18:34:41] piranha: шаблон всë равно при выводе подгружается, так что это фигня
[18:34:51] bobry: profit?
[18:34:53] piranha: но декоратор яснее, проще, и меньше писать
[18:34:58] piranha: профит - легче писать сложные вьюхи
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[18:35:11] piranha: когда у тебя часть контекста одинаковая, а часть зависит от условий
[18:35:27] bobry: ну, у вас там в сеплах чего нибудь нет сложного?
[18:35:38] piranha: as_html такого не умеет пока :)
[18:35:44] bobry: ах :)
[18:35:51] piranha: но я имел в виду, чем это может быть лучше
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[18:36:10] piranha: то всë становится прозрачнее - это как подпись вьюхи получается
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[18:36:40] piranha: плюс, если ты их научишь обращать внимание на хидеры, ты можешь их сразу несколько указывать, и работать будет тот, который попросит юзер
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[18:36:51] piranha: вообще я вижу кучу плюсов и не вижу ни одного минуса
[18:36:54] bobry: опять же как в tg
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[18:37:03] piranha: ну значит у них там в тг работает голова
[18:37:04] piranha: %)
[18:37:19] bobry: ну вообще, я понял мысль — звучит разумно, не с чем поспорить :)
[18:37:36] bobry: у них там в тг непонятно что работает. с object-based dispatch
[18:37:39] bobry: :-!
[18:37:45] piranha: ээ
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[18:37:53] piranha: не, object-based dispatch не радует
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[18:38:04] piranha: но я по большей части имел в виду, что претензия мне непонятна
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[18:38:10] piranha: считай, что as_html - адаптер
[18:38:32] piranha: адаптер чо должен делать? Адаптировать вывод функции к вводу диспатчера
[18:38:46] piranha: этим он и занимается - не может же он при этом тип вывода не менять?
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[18:40:01] bobry: не, мне нравится идея о том что декоратор не должен изменять тип вывода. имхо это все таки добавляет ясности, если рассматривать вне контекста.
[18:40:36] bobry: в случае as_*() deepwalker уже все сформулировал, а ты развернул его мысль :)
[18:40:42] piranha: :)
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[18:41:21] piranha: bobry: http://vorushin.ru/blog/26-decorators-python/#comment_132
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[18:42:04] Darth Лис: bobry: http://hg.piranha.org.ua/byteflow/file/c36944d45994/apps/lib/decorators.py#l8
[18:42:17] Darth Лис: piranha: :D
[18:42:19] bobry: я видел этот декоратор, ага
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[18:42:24] piranha: Darth Лис: ну про откуда ноги растут, он знает наверняка
[18:42:38] piranha: но коммент Сагалаева меня тупо вырубает :)
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[18:43:21] Darth Лис: piranha: он "вумник", паровоз видел
[18:43:42] Darth Лис: всем молиться на сагалаева
[18:43:57] piranha: :)
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[18:44:11] bobry: вот каждый раз когда речь о нем тут заходит начинается срач)
[18:44:25] Darth Лис: какой срачь?
[18:44:26] bobry: mishok13 ушел, а то он бы добавил — я уверен
[18:44:28] Darth Лис: все солидарны
[18:44:31] bobry: лол, ну да
[18:44:36] Darth Лис: никаких срачей
[18:44:52] bobry: sure, sure :)
[18:45:20] Darth Лис: даже Sevenov, по цвету ника вижу, согласен
[18:45:45] bobry: Sevenov дает зеленый свет :D
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[18:46:01] Darth Лис: нифига нас тут банда сегодня
[18:46:23] piranha: фся толпа, тока мишок свалил, и красноглазый не заглядывает давно уже
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[18:46:47] bobry: ху из красноглазый?
[18:46:53] piranha: редагенд
[18:47:09] Darth Лис: bobry: наш местный M.D. House
[18:47:22] bobry: а, видел такой ник, ага
[18:47:34] piranha: он переименовался и сныкался
[18:47:46] bobry: стирается из интернета?
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[19:06:02] Tony: утро. подскажите где взять годные дедикейтед сервера рашка-украшка?
[19:06:29] deepwalker: ты что, разве тут можно : )
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[19:06:43] deepwalker: теперь можно в швеции в подземной пещере
[19:06:48] deepwalker: модно
[19:07:13] огыешсук: какое ещё утро? вечер на дворе
[19:07:32] огыешсук: а сервера в ру брать недальновидно
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[19:07:52] Tony: основная аудитория - бывшие снг, надо бы чтобы отклик побыстрей отсюда был
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[19:08:46] огыешсук: думаешь они правда заметят задержку в десятую долю секунды?
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[19:09:15] Tony: подскажи тогда сервак в нормальных странах до которого задержка в сотые доли секунды.
[19:09:33] Typhon: германия?
[19:09:40] огыешсук: да где угодно в еврочасти, та же германия
[19:10:09] огыешсук: до американского континента будет задрежка в треть секунды, это уже можно при желании заметить если очень стараться
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[19:11:18] Tony: ну вот у меня где-то в хьюстоне сервак. пинг по секунде.
[19:11:24] Tony: говенный правда.
[19:11:30] огыешсук: очень
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[19:11:43] огыешсук: мой первый дедик был в канаде, пинг был треть секунды
[19:12:01] огыешсук: теперь германия, пинг 80ms
[19:12:37] deepwalker: у меня до яндекса 30
[19:12:50] огыешсук: у меня тоже
[19:12:51] Tony: у тебя в паблик дата-центре?
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[19:13:28] огыешсук: а с моего дедика в ya.ru пинг 50
[19:13:29] deepwalker: а с франкфурта до яндекса 50
[19:13:43] огыешсук: хе
[19:13:56] deepwalker: и от меня до франкфурта - 90
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[19:32:27] portnov: .
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[19:33:06] portnov: как правильно сделать из русской юникодной строки что-то в стиле "&#1080;&#9923;..."
[19:33:06] portnov: ?
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[19:43:41] Sevenov: Чочо?
[19:43:46] Sevenov: Где ваня?
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[19:53:02] xa4a: portnov: text = cgi.escape(text).encode('ascii', 'xmlcharrefreplace')
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[19:53:40] portnov: замысловато. Но ладно, спс.
[19:54:04] xa4a: без escpae
[19:54:21] xa4a: text.encode('ascii', 'xmlcharrefreplace')
[19:54:28] xa4a: если замысловатоо
[19:54:42] xa4a: и да, это вторая ссылка гугла
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[20:05:05] Abyx: в питоне можно как-то имя временного файла сгенерить, не открывая его?
вроде было где-то но не могу найти (питон 2.5)
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[20:14:39] xa4a: можно открыть файл без имени
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[20:14:52] xa4a: !pydoc tempfile
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[20:18:33] Abyx: ладно, другой вопрос... tempfile.NamedTemporaryFile удаляет файл посзе закрытия чтоле?
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[20:19:09] Abyx: хм... действительно
[20:19:29] Abyx: непонятно только ЗАЧЕМ?? =\
[20:19:33] bobry: Abyx, читаем документацию чтоли?
[20:19:40] bobry: в 2.6 есть параметр шобы не удалялся
[20:19:59] Abyx: bobry: у меня 2.5
[20:20:28] Abyx: ладно.. будем мутить с tempfile.gettempdir()
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[20:40:25] Abyx: таки питон офигенен
[20:40:35] Abyx: но я думаю что вы знаете )
[20:41:06] Sevenov: питон - говно.
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[20:41:11] Sevenov: это мы знаешь
[20:41:15] Sevenov: а еще оно - змея
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[20:41:42] Abyx: Sevenov: почему говно и что лучше питона?
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[20:41:59] Sevenov: Abyx, глупый вопрос.
[20:42:11] Sevenov: нет лучше/хуже, есть задачи.
[20:42:14] Abyx: Sevenov: глупый ответ однако.
[20:42:34] Sevenov: Abyx, ты там запятую забыл.
[20:42:39] Sevenov: перед "однако".
[20:42:43] Abyx: лучше\хуже есть.
[20:42:54] Sevenov: Ок.
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[20:50:55] GamePr0graameR: добрый вечер
[20:51:04] GamePr0graameR: у меня вопрос по PyQT
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[20:51:10] GamePr0graameR: добрый вечер
[20:51:32] GamePr0graameR: кто-нибудь здесь работал с pyuic?
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[20:56:43] mazvv: Приветствую. Адресую вопрос знатокам SA. Есть код здесь http://dumpz.org/21992/ Проблема в том, что при изменении данных в базе, результат возвращаемый в строке 3 не изменяется. Пробовал refresh, expire_all - не помогает
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[21:00:52] Tony: сессия?
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[21:02:04] mazvv: да, сессия. Как ее обновить?
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[21:06:32] Tony: транзакции в субд знаешь что такое?)
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[21:06:57] mazvv: знаю
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[21:08:23] Tony: тогда вопрос странный.
[21:08:27] mazvv: при чем тут транзакции изменения в БД производит другое приложение. Текущее приложение только отслеживает изменения
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[21:08:54] Tony: session.flush() после каждого запроса пробовал делать?
[21:09:12] mazvv: да, нихт
[21:10:08] mazvv: а тут собственно говоря и приведено законченное тестовой приложение с попыткой найти решение
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[21:15:19] mazvv: Прикольно. Проблема решилась. Session.commit() при чем коммит к селекту ?
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[21:46:41] GamePr0graameR: кто здесь работает с PyQT, отзовитесь!
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[21:47:08] Tony: соцопрос?
[21:47:19] GamePr0graameR: нет
[21:47:23] GamePr0graameR: помощь нужна
[21:47:41] GamePr0graameR: по программе pyuic
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[21:49:26] Tony: http://asset.soup.io/asset/1048/3034_57f7_960.jpeg
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[21:50:26] GamePr0graameR: логично)
[21:50:44] deepwalker: Tony, разве можно такое под ночь показывать
[21:50:44] bobry: GamePr0graameR, шо такое?
[21:50:58] deepwalker: GamePr0graameR, а на куте пишут игры?
[21:51:05] GamePr0graameR: я создал интерфейс к программе
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[21:51:18] Typhon: https://www.kvytky.ua/ какой-то дурацкий %)
[21:51:23] GamePr0graameR: deepwalker, это ник такой) Я сейчас не игру пишу
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[21:51:41] GamePr0graameR: создал, сохранил в .ui
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[21:51:58] GamePr0graameR: и натравил pyuic, чтобы преобразовать форму в код Питона
[21:52:05] GamePr0graameR: она сиё делать отказалась
[21:52:14] GamePr0graameR: только одну строчку кода вывела
[21:52:18] bobry: GamePr0graameR, trace можешь показать?
[21:52:23] bobry: или никаких ошибок не было?
[21:52:31] xa4a: pyuic4
[21:52:34] GamePr0graameR: bobry, могу показать вывод
[21:52:39] bobry: давай
[21:52:55] xa4a: GamePr0graameR: ты ж 4 натравил?
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[21:53:08] GamePr0graameR: нет
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[21:53:12] GamePr0graameR: просто pyuic
[21:53:52] GamePr0graameR: вот вывод http://dumpz.org/21993/
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[21:53:59] deepwalker: а ты попробуй *4
[21:54:20] GamePr0graameR: спасибо, с 4 помогло :)
[21:55:03] deepwalker: там кстати можно и динамически подтягивать
[21:55:09] deepwalker: без uic
[21:55:28] GamePr0graameR: то есть?
[21:55:59] deepwalker: ну типа loadUi
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[21:56:32] deepwalker: только не спрашивай меня то, о чем написано в доукментации ;-)
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[21:56:46] deepwalker: все равно не помню
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[21:57:07] GamePr0graameR: а...
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[22:00:40] deepwalker: в общем можно и динамически генерить этот xml-ник по идее
[22:00:48] deepwalker: и по сети можно его отдавать
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[22:01:49] deepwalker: и по http из джанго : ) всегда мне эта идея нравилась, но повода применить никак не находится
[22:02:30] xa4a: !projidea
[22:02:42] xa4a: надо добавить QT over Django
[22:02:51] deepwalker: а если припомнить, что там еще и qtscript есть, то аналогия очень с браузером всплывает
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[22:03:06] deepwalker: добавь : ) только я слышал о реализациях кстати
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[22:03:24] xa4a: !g django qt
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[22:04:16] deepwalker: не,э то ботва какая-то
[22:04:29] deepwalker: вот про админку там, это по делу
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[23:12:13] gigimon: скажите, а как бы реализовать узнавалку, сколько человек на сайте сейчас?
[23:12:33] gigimon: писать для каждого юзера последний его вход и выбирать записи за 5 минут?
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[23:13:58] piranha: gigimon: http://www.lukemelia.com/blog/archives/2010/01/17/redis-in-practice-whos-online/
[23:14:03] piranha: ;-)
[23:14:16] piranha: но в принципе да
[23:14:23] gigimon: спс)
[23:14:33] gigimon: piranha: ну вот я про него сначала и думал :)
[23:14:35] gigimon: всеравно уже юзается
[23:14:38] piranha: просто иначе - в sql на каждый запрос запись будет долго
[23:14:47] piranha: а, ну круто
[23:14:52] piranha: http://www.paperplanes.de/2010/2/16/a_collection_of_redis_use_cases.html
[23:14:56] piranha: http://rediscookbook.org/
[23:15:03] piranha: сборники рецептов, если чо
[23:15:11] gigimon: оо
[23:15:14] gigimon: кул
[23:15:15] gigimon: спс
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[23:27:03] gigimon: это, а я правильно понял, что в джанге модель менеджеры, это логика хождения модели в базу?
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[23:30:57] xa4a: отчасти
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[23:31:53] gigimon: а точно как?
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[23:48:47] gigimon is now Да, я здесь.
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