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[00:00:25] : _lorien установил(а) тему: Python.SU | Сначала поищи ответ на docs.python.org | Теперь поищи на google.com | Код постить в dumpz.org | Хочешь задать вопрос - просто *задай* его! | За голосом - в приват к модераторам | Правила написания хорошего кода: http://➡.ws/pep8 | Логи: http://➡.ws/pu
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[00:00:40] bobry: недовольне на канале, о нет
[00:00:44] xa4a: webninja: ты не понимаешь, о чём ты говоришь
[00:00:50] webninja: ага
[00:01:01] xa4a: тебе шаблон отрендерил, как ты и просил
[00:01:12] webninja: меня бесит что я не понимаю
[00:01:16] bobry: меня тоже
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[00:02:10] bobry: я вроде тебе давал днем ссылку на статью для улучшения понимания
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[00:02:22] webninja: читаю
[00:02:24] xa4a: меня бесит непонятный салат
[00:03:00] xa4a: кто-то знаком с openbsd?
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[00:04:48] webninja: http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/ref/contrib/staticfiles/#std:setting-STATICFILES_DIRS
[00:05:10] webninja: это в dev версии только?
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[00:07:03] webninja: For small projects, this isn’t a big deal, because you can just keep the media somewhere your web server can find it.
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[00:07:32] webninja: so, where is that magic place?
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[00:09:02] bobry: webninja, да — там же в заголовке написано
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[00:12:03] webninja: somewhere on my web server there is a place where django can find my static files.
[00:12:15] bobry: unt?
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[00:12:34] bobry: webninja, по моему опыту, все проблемы аналогичные твоей от нежелания внимательно читать :)
[00:12:44] webninja: many skillful python-knights going to find that place but no one return
[00:13:28] webninja: except one
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[00:14:35] webninja: да
[00:14:40] webninja: охото сразу делать
[00:14:54] webninja: не ну я осилил мануал про джанго в кратком изложении
[00:15:22] xa4a: теперь ты знаешь джанго круче половины джангистов на канале)
[00:15:45] webninja: нужно теперь приложение осилить
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[00:16:39] bobry: ну ты совсем нинджа теперь
[00:16:43] bobry: django ninja \m/
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[00:17:19] webninja: расскажите лучше как это работате
[00:17:28] webninja: в теплейте есть ссылка на jpg например
[00:17:32] webninja: джанго её видит
[00:17:38] webninja: иии? что делает дажнго?
[00:17:49] webninja: смотрит в сеттингс
[00:18:06] webninja: там видит? MEDIA_ROOT/MEDIA_URL
[00:18:20] webninja: смотрит в тех папках что указаны
[00:18:22] webninja: так?
[00:19:02] webninja: джанго смеется надо мной!
[00:19:05] webninja: :)
[00:19:19] bobry: во мне борются два желание
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[00:19:27] bobry: ответить на твои вопросы
[00:19:30] webninja: добро
[00:19:31] bobry: или послеть в документацию
[00:19:33] webninja: и зло
[00:19:54] bobry: именем piranh'и, иди ты на http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.2
[00:20:05] webninja: я там был
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[00:20:25] bobry: не все ты увидел там о юный ninja
[00:20:31] webninja: да
[00:20:34] webninja: кое что проспал
[00:20:38] webninja: пока ехал
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[00:21:21] bobry: намек: djang'e пофик на extensionы файлов в твоем темплейте
[00:21:42] bobry: почитай же про settings module
[00:21:52] bobry: особо про переменные MEDIA_ROOT и MEDIA_URL
[00:21:58] bobry: и снизойдет к тебе просветление
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[00:22:46] webninja: эх когда нибудь и я буду посылать читать маны
[00:23:06] webninja: год назад
[00:23:41] bobry: несложно догадаться что ты такой не один, желающий "по быстрому забацать что нибудь на джанге, онаведькручепыхада?"
[00:24:07] bobry: посему самый рациональный вариант слать туда, где все побывали — в доки :)
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[00:24:10] webninja: я не знаю пыха
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[00:24:27] bobry: это не страшно :)
[00:25:49] webninja: год назад я с трудом в линуксе ориентировался
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[00:27:23] xa4a: webninja: ты знаешь, чем отличается клиент-сайд от серверсайда?
[00:27:29] webninja: в начале всегда сложнее всего. когда целой картины нет
[00:27:43] webninja: у меня и клиент сайд и сервер сайд
[00:27:52] xa4a: да, у меня тоже
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[00:28:04] webninja: сначала был сервер сайд
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[00:30:01] webninja: кстати говоря
[00:30:06] webninja: есть такая штука турбогирс
[00:30:09] webninja: она еще жива?
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[00:31:51] webninja: вот жесть. ладно я инглиш знаю. а есть же куча кодеров которые ваще его не знают. ну и как они прогают? я хз
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[01:31:44] webninja: бля
[01:31:48] webninja: оказывается
[01:31:52] webninja: джанго возлагает
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[01:32:10] webninja: обязанности по раздаче статики на вебсервер
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[01:32:37] bobry: это написано в самом начале главы про статику
[01:32:38] bobry: лол
[01:32:48] webninja: да
[01:32:50] webninja: но!
[01:32:53] webninja: косяк в том
[01:32:58] webninja: что я читал /dev/
[01:32:59] bobry: что ты ее не читл?
[01:33:09] bobry: я тебе скидывал линк на 1.2 вторым
[01:33:53] webninja: а как переносить потом?
[01:33:55] webninja: на сервер
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[01:34:39] webninja: апач мучить
[01:35:31] bobry: зачем мучать?
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[02:08:25] webninja: ооооо
[02:08:27] webninja: !!!!
[02:08:37] webninja: работает
[02:08:48] webninja: ну все, я уже профессионал
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[02:12:59] webninja: бля
[02:13:07] webninja: спасибо пацаны!
[02:13:13] webninja: пошел процесс
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[11:16:32] Magister Yoda: привет всем
[11:16:43] Magister Yoda: py2exe кто-нить юзал?
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[11:18:55] Magister Yoda: я вроде всё собрал, получилась папка с zip-архивом, 2 exe, 10 pyd-файлов и 6 dll. в zip-архиве лежат pyc-файлы для работы. распаковаля всё это и положил рядом, но проект не запускается - пишет что нет такого-то модуля, хотя рядом с ним лежит этот pyc-файл
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[11:24:48] xa4a: я юзал года полтора назад
[11:24:52] xa4a: zip файлов не біло
[11:24:57] xa4a: но все запускалось
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[11:26:10] Magister Yoda: проект простенкий был или сложный?
[11:26:22] xa4a: с qt, jinja, gnuplot
[11:26:26] Magister Yoda: я взял пример использования из инструкции
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[11:26:42] Magister Yoda: ты так же его запускал? может я не верно запускаю
[11:26:51] Magister Yoda: http://www.py2exe.org/index.cgi/Tutorial#Step1
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[11:26:56] xa4a: там генерируется .exe файл
[11:27:02] xa4a: типа имя_модуля.ехе
[11:27:09] xa4a: который должен всё запускать
[11:27:15] Magister Yoda: да да. он есть. весит 26 кб
[11:27:36] xa4a: это ок
[11:27:40] Magister Yoda: хотя поидее должен был весить метров 10 наверно
[11:27:45] Magister Yoda: ааа....
[11:27:49] xa4a: нет, он просто дёргает питон.длл
[11:27:54] Magister Yoda: ясно
[11:27:55] xa4a: и передаёт ему ключики
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[11:28:07] Magister Yoda: ты как собирал?
[11:28:13] Magister Yoda: может я не верно собрал...
[11:28:18] xa4a: python setup.py py2exe как-то так
[11:28:42] Magister Yoda: хм...
[11:29:04] Magister Yoda: а сетап как выглядел?
[11:29:13] xa4a: он не созранился
[11:29:14] xa4a: питон ищет библиотеки в текущем каталоге
[11:29:25] xa4a: и в текущем каталоге с интерпретатором
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[11:33:40] Magister Yoda: http://codepad.org/9WfHd9df вот что пишет при запуске exe
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[11:35:14] Magister Yoda: заглянул в папку PyQt4 и заметил что что-то подозрительно маленькие размеры у pyc-файлов
[11:35:25] Magister Yoda: меньше 1кб
[11:35:35] Magister Yoda: такое может быть?
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[11:39:57] Magister Yoda: всё кажись дошло.
я в коде при импорте написал
from PyQt4.QtSql import *, а py2exe такое не хавает
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[11:40:04] Magister Yoda: щас переделаем...
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[11:40:50] Magister Yoda: радует что код не особо большой - около 500 строк
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[11:42:34] xa4a: ты sip подрубил?
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[11:43:23] xa4a: http://www.py2exe.org/index.cgi/Py2exeAndPyQt это видел, да?
[11:44:14] xa4a: py2exe_opciones = {'py2exe': {"includes":["sip"]}}
[11:44:17] xa4a: или чо-то такое
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[11:45:31] Magister Yoda: не подрубил...
[11:45:41] Magister Yoda: это в сетап добавить?
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[11:46:19] Magister Yoda: python setup.py py2exe --includes sip а можно же вот так
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[11:50:56] Magister Yoda: спасибо. заработало
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[12:07:02] Magister Yoda: а как-то можно всё в 1 файл засунуть?
[12:08:03] dicos: Можно создать еще один ехешник, который будет распаковывать себя сам и запускаться
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[12:08:30] dicos: где-то что-то видел, по-моему winrar это умеет делать. Хотя могу и ошибаться
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[12:11:26] Magister Yoda: ой не. это уже не то.
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[12:11:42] Magister Yoda: а pyc'и декомпилятся?
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[12:17:38] dicos: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=decompile+pyc+files
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[12:24:24] xa4a: Magister Yoda: декомпилятся
[12:24:59] Magister Yoda: хренова. а как тогда защищать свой проект?
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[12:25:33] xa4a: а) лицензией
[12:25:38] xa4a: б) веб-сервисом
[12:26:06] xa4a: в) гугд
[12:26:07] xa4a: л
[12:26:15] Magister Yoda: как лицензией если любой желающий получит исходный код?
[12:26:22] Magister Yoda: ясно) лан. спс
[12:26:27] xa4a: он не сможет его использовать
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[12:26:33] xa4a: если лицензия правильная
[12:26:50] xa4a: ещ' можно писать критические куски алгоритма на С например
[12:26:51] Magister Yoda: не сможет физически или морально?)
[12:26:58] xa4a: формально
[12:27:07] xa4a: а тебе есть что скрывать?
[12:27:10] Magister Yoda: ну под морально я это и имел ввиду
[12:27:16] xa4a: или просто жалко?
[12:27:23] Magister Yoda: да, я в Пентагоне работаю :-D
[12:27:37] xa4a: тогда на С
[12:27:43] Magister Yoda: просто так надо
[12:27:48] Magister Yoda: оке. спс
[12:27:54] xa4a: тогда не жадничай и открой исходники)
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[12:29:10] Magister Yoda: не. это точно нет
[12:29:37] dicos: Мне то же стало интересно, что у тебя там такого секретного.
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[12:30:56] Magister Yoda: скажем так. мой проект делает то же самое что и другие подобные проекты, которые распространяются за деньги
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[12:32:26] Magister Yoda: а это что значит?
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "db-create.py", line 2, in <module>
File "PyQt4\QtSql.pyc", line 12, in <module>
File "PyQt4\QtSql.pyc", line 10, in __load
ImportError: No module named QtGui
[12:32:42] Magister Yoda: вроде всё так же как и в предыдущем проекте
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[12:42:52] xa4a: это значит, что рядом не лежит QtGui.dll
[12:42:54] xa4a: или как его там
[12:43:07] xa4a: или пик
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[12:43:46] xa4a: ну модуля нет
[12:43:51] xa4a: ты читал же туториал по питону, да?
[12:44:22] Magister Yoda: хаха. это я как раз понял. модуль лежит рядом.
[12:44:42] Magister Yoda: два - он ему не нужен
[12:45:06] Magister Yoda: в нём только QtCore, QtSql, sys и os используются
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[12:45:32] xa4a: судя по всему нужен..
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[12:45:44] xa4a: QtSqlу
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[12:46:14] xa4a: а что тебе гугл ответил?
[12:46:15] Magister Yoda: дык тогда бы py2exe его запихнул, разве нет?
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[12:48:07] xa4a: я, возможно, клал руками рядом Qt*.dll
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[12:48:14] Magister Yoda: ну я взял QtGui.pyc из соседнего проекта и кинул его в архив library
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[12:48:19] Magister Yoda: дык лежат они
[12:48:32] Magister Yoda: я же говорю - рядо они все лежат
[12:48:45] xa4a: посмотри в питоне sys.path
[12:48:57] Magister Yoda: а в архив library.zip кидаются все pyc файлы
[12:50:06] Magister Yoda: разобрался. кинул рядом ещё PyQt4.QtGui.pyd
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[14:27:42] kwis: товарищи
[14:27:46] kwis: подскажите одну штучку
[14:28:00] kwis: можно ли сделать форму не с модели а с выборки???
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[14:28:25] kwis: тоесть с определенного количества обьектов модели
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[15:00:44] dicos: kwis http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.2/ref/forms/validation/ там написано как делать свою проверку
[15:01:29] kwis: dicos, мне не валидация нужна
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[15:01:37] kwis: мне нужно собирать форму налету, с выборки
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[15:02:17] dicos: тогда расскажи подробнее что тебе нужно
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[15:03:29] kwis: есть выборка нескольких обьектов модели, тоесть:
class HProject(models.Model):
name = models.CharField(max_length=50, verbose_name='Название')
[15:03:32] kwis: это модель
[15:03:47] kwis: выборка HProject1, HProject2 и тп
[15:04:28] kwis: мне надо форму в которой будут эти обьекты и напротив каждого поле name для заполнения
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[16:49:57] webninja: подскажите
[16:50:09] webninja: по жанго
[16:50:14] webninja: как лучше сделать
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[16:50:25] webninja: я сделал сайт в нем типа несколько страниц
[16:50:32] webninja: типа /, faq, about
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[16:50:51] webninja: меню т.е. есть
[16:51:01] webninja: <ul>
<li class="active_tab"><div class="active_wrapper">Home</div></li>
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[16:51:07] webninja: примерно так
[16:51:10] webninja: так вот
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[16:51:49] webninja: естественно когда переключаюсь на FAQ я хочу чтобы вкладка как бы стала активной т.е <div class="active_wrapper">
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[16:52:15] webninja: как это лучше всего организовать? можно через for но тогда придется хранить в базе каждую страницу
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[16:54:51] _lorien: webninja, я недавно такое делал, просто кладу во вьюшке в request.menu например "faq" если это вьюшка для faq и потом в шаблоне проверяю, если request.menu == faq, то делаю пункт активным
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[16:55:28] _lorien: это, народ, а чего такое случилось с sorl-thumbnail, читаю доки, куда-то поля пропали, только тэги остались, какой-то редис туда присобачили :-/
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[16:56:20] webninja: _lorien точно, спасиб, щаз попробую.
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[17:08:03] kwis: какой еще редис???
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[17:08:13] kwis: что уже сломали то что и так хорошо работало???
[17:09:28] webninja: улучшили
[17:09:33] webninja: джанго просто супер
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[17:10:23] webninja: хуясе вроде день просидел и уже такой пиздатый сайт сделал =))) осталось тока в модный вид его привести чтобя форма была аякс и через админку можно было рулить
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[17:13:08] slav0nic: то они для бекенда под кеш, я раньше юзал django-imagekit
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[17:18:44] _lorien: slav0nic, так там ваещ пропали ImageWithThumbnailField поля... я их раньше юзал :) Очень удобно, а так получается надо в несколькоих местах писать параметры для тумбнейла, если тока темплейт-тэги остались
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[17:36:56] kwis: _lorien, всмысле абсолютно с тобой согласен по поводу sorl-thumbnail
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[17:37:34] _lorien: я щас easy_thumbnails щупаю, там такая документация странная, написано много но нихера нету
[17:37:47] kwis: )))
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[18:59:32] webninja: подскажите
[18:59:37] webninja: если я модель поменял в джанго
[18:59:44] webninja: чтобы изменения вступили в силу
[18:59:58] webninja: python manage.py syncdb достаточно?
[19:00:12] xa4a: вряд ли
[19:00:22] webninja: а как сделать?
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[19:02:38] webninja: key = models.CharField(max_length=20) добавил такую штучку
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[19:04:12] xa4a: посмотри south
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[19:06:20] webninja: !g django south
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[19:07:19] webninja: это чтож получается. что модели нужно продумывать с самого начала? а если в процессе разработки возникла потребность добавить какие-то поля?
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[19:09:09] xa4a: update table my_model add column key varchar(255) null;
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[19:10:52] webninja: неудобно это все же
[19:10:56] webninja: дропнул таблицы
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[19:12:45] _lorien: webninja, south
[19:12:55] xa4a: дропнуть таблицы - да. вариант.
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[19:27:32] gigimon: а объясните пожалуйста, зачем lock, если я не могу проверить его состояние?
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[19:29:07] _lorien: ну ты можешь в него упереться и ждать пока он освободится
[19:29:23] gigimon: всмысле упереться?
[19:29:30] gigimon: его ж можно либо поставить, либо снять
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[19:30:52] gigimon: просто вот такая задача: есть заполненая очередь, надо создать пару потоков, которые будут заполнять другую очередь, когда первая очередь закончатся и потоки умрут, должен запуститься другой, который продолжит работать с очередью 2
[19:31:02] _lorien: ну вот ставишь, потом в другом месте в него упираешься :) из другого потока, например
[19:31:11] gigimon: думал заюзать RLock, поставить каждым и смотреть, залочен он или нет
[19:31:39] gigimon: _lorien: сам процесс упирания в чем заключается? надо ж узнать локнут или нет?
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[19:32:13] _lorien: ну lock.aquire() и там в зависимости от аргумента block или как там его или exception выскочит или будет питон ждать, пока лок не освободится
[19:32:17] _lorien: ещё можно время ожидания настроить
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[19:55:38] webninja: разделение экрана на несколько частей оч. удобно
[19:55:38] xa4a: его уже интегрировали с питон-дебагером?
[19:55:45] webninja: да
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[19:56:56] webninja: хотя хз что ты имеешь в веду. ошибки показывает
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[20:07:37] kwis: ггыы
[20:07:41] kwis: user = User.objects.get(username = request.user.username)
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[20:13:44] webninja: будет ли правильным харнить настройки сайта в модели. ну типа там тайтл, мэйл. рсс урл?
[20:14:01] gigimon: блин, подскажите как сделать:
3 потока работают с 1 очередью и заполняют другую, четвертый потом должен работать со второй, если туда добавляют элемент. Непонятно, как проверять что те 3 потока уже закончили работать со своей очередью и умерли
[20:14:22] webninja: ща
[20:14:50] gigimon: если првоерять while not queue1.empty(), то тогда я не успеваю схавать последние 3 элемента из первой очереди, если 3 потока возьмут их
[20:15:13] gigimon: т.к. очередь закончится раньше, чем те потоки добавят во творую
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[20:15:43] webninja: http://dumpz.org/24961/
[20:15:47] gigimon: webninja: если настроек будет 1 штука, то тогда нет
[20:15:53] webninja: настроек много
[20:16:37] webninja: проверяй activeCount
[20:16:43] gigimon: м
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[20:16:50] webninja: показывает кол-во активных потоков
[20:17:05] gigimon: ну есть же другие потоки
[20:17:10] gigimon: не относящиеся к этой задаче
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[20:17:24] webninja: да, косяк
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[20:19:58] gigimon: жаль ThreadGroup не реализовали
[20:20:11] webninja: ого даже такая тема есть
[20:20:16] webninja: потенциаьно
[20:20:33] gigimon: ну аргумент group давно в Thread есть
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[20:21:54] webninja: а когда реализуют?
[20:21:56] xa4a: сделай на коутинах вместо потоков
[20:22:02] xa4a: корутинах
[20:22:13] gigimon: еще б знать что это такое :)
[20:22:17] webninja: !g корутина
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[20:22:41] xa4a: ща..
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[20:23:31] gigimon: спс
[20:23:33] gigimon: почитаю
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[20:24:24] gigimon: xa4a: а на обычных потоках как-бы такое? я сначаа подумал через RLock, но нельзя ж проверить залочено или нет... такбы while rlock().lock()
[20:25:11] xa4a: можно придумать костыль - каждая из первых очередей кладёт по завершению маркер
[20:25:21] xa4a: а второй поток считает их
[20:25:28] webninja: а как называется такая тема. несколько потоков берут где-то данные отправляют в queue оттуда их тут же берет еще пачка потоков которые обрабатывают грузят в след. откуда их тоже берут потоки
[20:25:29] gigimon: до такого тоже додумался
[20:25:35] gigimon: но чет решил что реальный костыль
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[20:26:08] xa4a: нуэ..
[20:26:23] xa4a: я думаю, что ты хочешь генератор
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