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[09:27:55] slav0nic: гы, redmine 500мб выжирает
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[09:40:20] wiz: redmine моск выжирает
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[10:04:27] wiz: /me ебанулся на отличненько: http://dumpz.org/25049/
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[10:25:07] nuclearworm: есть идеи как проверить какое число в стринге - десятичное или гекса?
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[10:28:18] mishok13: эм
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[10:28:41] mishok13: 999 -- это в base 10 или base 16?
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[10:31:14] mishok13: try: int(string, base=10) except ValueError: int(string, base=16) ?
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[10:37:27] wiz: def i_dont_care_about(string):
for base in range(1, 32):
try: return int(string, base=base)
except ValueError: pass
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[10:41:54] _lorien is now online
[10:42:10] _lorien: 2010/11/30 08:40:09 [warn] 24496#0: *2580182 an upstream response is buffered to a temporary file /usr/local/nginx/uwsgi_temp/0/39/0000308390 while reading upstream, client: 218.213.130.155, server: torrent-trackers.ru, request: "GET /newest/ HTTP/1.1", upstream: "uwsgi://unix:/web/run/torrent_trackers.sock:", host: "torrent-trackers.ru"
а чо это за кал, нафиг он на диск кеширует?
[10:42:19] mishok13: wiz, чувствую силу в тебе тёмную
[10:42:29] mishok13: растёт в тебя злоба и ненависть
[10:42:38] mishok13: не могу я тебя учить :(
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[10:49:14] _lorien: а, типа надо настроить буферы в памяти больше или сделать настройку, шобы uwsgi сосал ответ бэкенда постепенно по мере высасывания его клиентом
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[10:51:39] gigimon is now Да, я здесь.
[10:52:14] _lorien: тьфу, не uwsgi cосал, а nginx
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[11:09:10] wiz: поставь апач, он точно сосать будет
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[11:09:38] mishok13: :)
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[11:15:08] _lorien: сделал proxy_buffers 16 32k;
посмотрим, как это на качество отсоса повлияет
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[11:19:43] _lorien: бля, опять ошибки эти лезут :) может для uwsgi надо свои директивы указывать типа uwsgi_proxy_buffers или как-то так :-/
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[11:24:59] _lorien: http://bitbucket.org/yml/uwsgi/src/45761eeb702f/nginx/ngx_http_uwsgi_module.c#cl-178
хм, чо бы это значило
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[11:38:13] _lorien: Ха, как показал эксперимент надо юзать uwsgi_buffers директиву :) proxy_buffers не влияет
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[13:16:27] wiz: http://katoga.livejournal.com/1897301.html
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[13:18:08] _lorien: ХОрошо что не через жопу
[13:18:19] _lorien: Понадобылись бы змеи побольше
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[13:25:03] _lorien: Как часто ходят в туалет кошки, когда их сосут котята..? Кошка Короткошорстный экзотический перс
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[13:29:20] slav0nic: знатоки руби, редмайн хавающий 500мб озу это 'ок'?)
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[13:50:15] nmk: slav0nic: у меня 58. но там сооовсем чуть-чуть. один проект и туда уже наверное давно никто не ходил
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[13:51:10] slav0nic: а хранилище есть?
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[13:53:12] nmk: хранилище? я не очень понимаю что ты имеешь ввиду. есть вики, там немного файлов есть. есть тикеты. есть привязка к репозиторию
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[14:17:47] slav0nic: репозиторий
[14:17:55] slav0nic: мля багзилла просто пиздец какой-то)
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[14:21:26] nmk: реп есть. я посмотрел, даже не один.
[14:21:31] nmk: но туда давно никто не ходит :)
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[14:37:18] slav0nic: смарю i18n в руби "шикарен" %)
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[15:52:10] mishok13: http://fprog.ru/2010/issue6/dmitry-demeshchuk-node.js-vs-erlang/index.html
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[16:17:24] xa4a: /me боится открывать. уже по урлу видно, что вброс тот ещё
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[16:23:31] mishok13: почти без вбросов
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[16:24:21] mishok13: разве что чувствуется уклон в сторону жабоскрипта от автора
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[16:43:29] bobry: там новый issue?
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[16:44:32] bobry: «Но дело не только в своего рода монополии JavaScript. Другая причина его популярности — удобство.» ло-ло
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[16:45:40] wiz: а чо? js удобен
[16:45:47] wiz: местами уёбищен конечно, но в целом неплохо
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[16:49:34] xa4a: а чо, js монополен?
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[16:50:07] wiz: в чём?
[16:50:33] xa4a: «Но дело не только в своего рода монополии JavaScript....
[16:50:39] xa4a: в своём роде =)
[16:50:51] mishok13: в браузере типа есть варианты?
[16:51:25] xa4a: а в контексте статьи?
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[16:51:38] xa4a: там не про браузеры ведь?
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[16:51:42] xa4a: /me ещё не открывал
[16:51:52] mishok13: """о сути, JS был и остается единственным универсальным языком для создания фронт-энда в вебе. """
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[16:52:57] xa4a: понял. тогда сначала читать буду)
[16:53:50] mishok13: """Backtrace в Erlang более скуп и лаконичен и часто больше сбивает новичков с толку, чем помогает им локализовать ошибку. Однако, привыкнув к нему, можно пользоваться им не менее быстро и эффективно, чем более дружественным backtrace’ом из C или того же Node. """
[16:53:59] mishok13: более дружественным backtrace’ом из C
[16:54:13] mishok13: дружественные бектрейсы в си?
[16:54:18] mishok13: он накуреный штоле
[16:54:23] piranha: звучит заманчиво
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[16:54:41] mishok13: или никогда не писал на си ничего длиннее хеловорлда?
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[16:56:42] bobry: хах, да уж, про си это он странно написал
[16:56:44] bobry: может буквой ошибся
[16:56:50] bobry: D или F
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[16:57:27] piranha: у него просто случайно сработала автозамена Python -> C
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[17:01:56] mishok13: про тесты производительности вообще прекрасно
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[17:02:12] mishok13: мол, erlang и v8 всех дрюкают
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[17:02:26] mishok13: и совсем забывает при этом про luajit
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[17:11:07] deepwalker: этот блинский JS вырвимозг по-моему мнению - ООП нет, функционалки нет, корутинов нет
[17:11:13] deepwalker: строки - убожество
[17:11:25] piranha: не понял про ооп и функционалку
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[17:11:31] deepwalker: ООП нету там
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[17:11:33] piranha: как это ооп нет? ооп есть и в полный рост
[17:11:38] deepwalker: прототипы
[17:11:40] deepwalker: делай сам
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[17:11:43] piranha: ну, так это ж кайфово
[17:11:44] deepwalker: DIY
[17:11:48] deepwalker: а мне не надо
[17:11:52] piranha: хз, меня прототипы устраивают
[17:12:06] piranha: ну так ты можешь взять любую реализацию обычных классов
[17:12:06] deepwalker: мне надо чтобы уже было а я себе мозг не ломал
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[17:12:10] piranha: http://classy.pocoo.org/
[17:12:17] deepwalker: да ладно, видел я это все
[17:12:19] piranha: а с функциональной стороной что не так?
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[17:12:30] deepwalker: а где там функциональность толковая?
[17:12:44] piranha: а что такое толковая?
[17:12:45] deepwalker: все писать опять же
[17:12:50] piranha: всë - что?
[17:12:50] deepwalker: map, filter
[17:12:55] bobry: deepwalker, неправда
[17:12:56] piranha: а, так это лишь вопрос стдлиба
[17:12:57] deepwalker: reduce, да все
[17:13:02] bobry: это все есть начиная с 1.7
[17:13:03] piranha: вон в си нет возможности
[17:13:07] piranha: а в джаваскрипте есть
[17:13:14] deepwalker: корутинов нет
[17:13:15] piranha: значит что? Знач всë ок, возьми underscore.js и всë
[17:13:19] deepwalker: генераторов нет
[17:13:29] deepwalker: и это вот уже не поправить
[17:13:34] deepwalker: библиотеками
[17:13:34] piranha: это правда, но это не имеет отношения к ооп/функ
[17:13:37] bobry: piranha, а ты swank-js прикрутил?
[17:13:46] piranha: bobry: не, никак времени не найду
[17:13:47] xa4a: даже в С есть корутины же
[17:13:51] bobry: deepwalker, генераторы будут в 1.7
[17:13:52] deepwalker: можно копать штык ножом, но нафиг?
[17:14:04] deepwalker: bobry, да мне фиолетово, потому что оно когда будет и где
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[17:14:15] bobry: :) ну на server side уже есть
[17:14:16] deepwalker: в IE будет?
[17:14:20] bobry: IE no more
[17:14:25] deepwalker: о, server side отделился
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[17:14:41] bobry: ну потому что там spidermonkey и V8
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[17:14:48] deepwalker: хотя тока там и нужны же корутины
[17:14:49] piranha: а, кстати, IE9 экмаскрипт 5 имплементит?
[17:15:03] bobry: а фик их знает
[17:15:11] deepwalker: в общем сказать, что js клевый, у меня рука не подымается
[17:15:34] bobry: ну да, он скорее проблемный, по факту
[17:15:36] piranha: луа клëвая
[17:15:40] bobry: как начнешь про кроссбраузерный js читать ...
[17:15:41] piranha: а джс - это недолуа
[17:15:54] piranha: bobry: ну это не проблема жаваскрипта, ëпта
[17:16:17] bobry: piranha, в итоге это выливается в проблему языка
[17:16:28] piranha: не совсем
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[17:16:32] bobry: потому что язык без реализации это конь в вакууме
[17:16:41] bobry: ты же не на бумажке код то пишешь :)
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[17:16:43] xa4a: в итоге это выливается в проблемы разработчика :(
[17:16:48] bobry: ну да
[17:16:51] piranha: это DOM, а не жабаскрипт
[17:16:56] piranha: если бы это была луа, были бы те же проблемы
[17:17:01] piranha: если бы это был питон, были бы те же проблемы
[17:17:05] piranha: это не джаваскрипт
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[17:17:07] xa4a: значит всё говно
[17:17:10] bobry: ))
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[17:17:33] bobry: piranha, ну так получилось что на месте lua и питона js, так что теперь это часть проблем js
[17:18:15] piranha: это как сказать, что в джаваскрипте нельзя функционально писать
[17:18:17] bobry: просто если так рассуждать, то GIL это не проблема питона
[17:18:21] bobry: это проблема CPython
[17:18:23] piranha: =)
[17:18:27] piranha: не, проблема питона
[17:18:34] piranha: гил есть и в пайпай, и в жпитоне
[17:18:35] mishok13: не, CPython
[17:18:46] bobry: а чья?
[17:18:49] piranha: наша
[17:19:19] xa4a: /me потыкал piranha
[17:19:32] deepwalker: а потому что в питоне нет примитивов для другой работы с шаренными данными
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[17:19:35] bobry: /me не знал что в Jython'e тоже есть GIL O_O
[17:19:37] maxp is now I'm not here right now
[17:19:40] xa4a: Jython and IronPython <http://wiki.python.org/moin/IronPython> have no GIL and can fully exploit multiprocessor systems.

[17:19:42] xa4a: http://wiki.python.org/moin/GlobalInterpreterLock
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[17:19:47] deepwalker: так что это проблем питона
[17:20:09] piranha: xa4a: хм, ну ок, я втыкаю
[17:20:21] mishok13: на самом деле, если бы pypyевцы захотели
[17:20:25] mishok13: то могли бы дропнуть гил
[17:20:48] mishok13: а так они озаботились совместимостью с CPython extensions
[17:20:59] deepwalker: м, шит, да
[17:21:00] bobry: которые надо думать все равно гил дропают
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[17:21:36] piranha: mishok13: ну тогда б мы стали хеппипандами может и быстро перешли бы на пайпай
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[17:22:08] piranha: у них же и корутины есть там, да?
[17:22:11] deepwalker: ага
[17:22:14] deepwalker: и стаклес
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[17:22:26] mishok13: и твистыд там в разы быстрее
[17:22:35] mishok13: шото не так, короче
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[17:26:06] piranha: чую обман
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[17:26:39] deepwalker: все таки функциональность это не только first class функции
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[17:27:13] deepwalker: а также и патерн матчинг, и хвостовка, и композиция, и каринг
[17:27:17] xa4a: это ещё монадные трансформеры и парсер-комбинаторы
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[17:28:05] bobry: кто там хацкель написал же не js?
[17:28:17] deepwalker: и исходя из этого, писать про каждый язык, в котором можно функцию в качестве параметра куда-то передать, что он функциональный, это чушь
[17:28:31] xa4a: bobry: s/не/на/
[17:28:42] bobry: yup
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[17:30:34] bobry: правда херовый аргумент. ghc же написан на си, это не делает си функциональным :)
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[17:31:29] deepwalker: кстати, а чего нельзя написать ghc на ghc?
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[17:31:40] deepwalker: он же компилятор?
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[17:32:07] xa4a: нельзя разве?
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[17:32:24] deepwalker: я думаю можно, вопрос почему не написали? : )
[17:32:31] xa4a: эм
[17:32:41] xa4a: ghc же компилится только гхц
[17:32:55] xa4a: http://haskell.org/ghc/docs/6.6.1/html/users_guide/runtime-control.html
[17:32:56] deepwalker: м, не понял, а как же он тогда на C?
[17:33:05] piranha: deepwalker: js не функциональный, как и питон, но от него это не требуется, как и от питона
[17:33:06] xa4a: NOTE: since GHC is itself compiled by GHC, you can....
[17:33:17] bobry: ого
[17:33:28] bobry: /me думал что он сишный
[17:33:33] deepwalker: piranha, ну так и я про то - нефиг писать везде обратное же
[17:33:38] xa4a: вроде пара первых версий была на с
[17:33:48] xa4a: или это о чём-то другом..
[17:33:50] deepwalker: а, тогда все правильно
[17:34:15] deepwalker: компилятор это вам не интерпретатор
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[17:43:34] mishok13: там же компиляции в C-- идёт сначала
[17:43:39] mishok13: который скармливается gcc
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[17:45:59] deepwalker: как все запутано то
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[17:46:47] deepwalker: так же какой-то чел на llvm его взгромоздил вроде
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[17:46:55] deepwalker: и вроде оно стало шустрее
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[17:47:40] mishok13: сука, наркомания какая
[17:47:42] deepwalker: но я в любом случае в гробу видел хаскель - я типа веб сайт пишу, а не теорему доказываю. Оттого меня и не впечатляет общий аппарат для столь разных операций
[17:47:49] mishok13: нет чтобы всё на ассемблере
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[18:03:25] Tony__: интересно что доков по django.jQuery нет почти нихуя.
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[18:42:09] deepwalker: как в гите отменить изменения в одном файле?
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[19:35:53] deepwalker: Быгыгы: Есть ещё пара стартапов в Сан Франциско, пишущих исключительно на Скале; но если Вы пойдёте на Dice, вы обнаружите с десяток контор, где требуется Скала, даже в таких экзотических местах, как штат Теннеси.
[19:36:04] deepwalker: уж Теннеси то экзотичнее некуда
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[19:37:23] deepwalker: я вот думаю - я пока на андроиде писал свои любимые танчики, я там все флоаты выкинул, хешмапы и тп. Так если загнать в андроид скалу, то не придется ли потом ее оттуда выкидывать?
[19:39:10] deepwalker: вообще две статьи, про ноду и скалу, какой-то слив
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[20:09:11] piranha: у кого-нить есть фф 3.6.х или старше?
[20:09:29] Tony__: 3.6.12 здесь
[20:09:52] piranha: можешь сделать скрин того, как выглядит quickhg.com ?
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[20:12:38] Tony__: http://pix.academ.org/img/2010/12/01/1bd9cc646617603030d9528ad3a47dcf.png
[20:13:05] piranha: пипец какой кошмарный ад
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[20:13:59] Tony__: кстати да в chromium куда лучше
[20:14:14] piranha: и в фф4 оно нормальное
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[20:14:26] piranha: тока я пока что не знаю, почему в фф3.6 так съезжает
[20:14:35] piranha: я вроде сказал ему, что хидер и прочие - блочные элементы
[20:16:50] piranha: Tony__: можешь попробовать обновить?
[20:16:53] piranha: я цсс чуть исправил
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[20:17:20] Tony__: примерно тоже самое.
[20:17:36] Tony__: кстати был сайт который прогоняет произвольный урл в куче разных браузеров и делает скрины.
[20:18:12] piranha: Tony__: а у тебя там нет файрбага? Посмотреть и сказать кто ж выпадает откуда? :(
[20:18:17] piranha: какая-то скотина же...
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[20:18:26] Tony__: блин. я не спец в верстке...
[20:19:16] piranha: а, ну ок
[20:19:43] Tony__: кстати по-моему можно скачать 3.6 бинарник и запустить отдельно от 4
[20:20:16] piranha: тока с профилями возни )
[20:20:18] piranha: но я наверное так и сделаю
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[20:29:49] deepwalker: piranha, я гляну сейчас
[20:30:09] deepwalker: у меня кстати виртуалка с виндой есть : )
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[20:30:16] piranha: deepwalker: я кажись понял в чëм трабла
[20:30:17] deepwalker: на случай IE6 там
[20:30:19] piranha: http://html5.validator.nu/?doc=https%3A%2F%2Fquickhg.com%2F&showimagereport=yes
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[20:32:31] piranha: у меня там спан закрывается вместо дива ))))
[20:32:34] piranha: омг ну и жопа
[20:33:25] deepwalker: точно
[20:33:28] deepwalker: вставло на место
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[20:50:05] Tony__: а кто-нибудь знает как в jquery взять список функций которые забиндены на какое-то событие?
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[21:27:28] Magister Yoda: т.к. тут в основном не оконщики, поэтому спрошу, ubuntu alternate чем отличается от desktop?
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[21:32:16] piranha: Tony__: $('elem').data('events') ?
[21:32:51] Tony__: piranha, http://browsershots.org/ кстати прогнать тут можешь :)
[21:33:00] piranha: там задержки по полчаса
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[21:33:05] piranha: тем более что я уже починил %)
[21:33:27] piranha: у меня там раньше спан был, я на див поменял, а закрывался он как спан - и новые браузеры работали, а старые фейлились
[21:34:40] deepwalker: Magister Yoda, установкой
[21:35:49] Magister Yoda: решил скачать DVD- насколько я понял там всё в 1
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[22:56:19] Tony__: бля бля бля. интересная задача. надо подхайлайтить ряд слов в textarea
[22:56:40] Tony__: как-то можно это сделат без изьебов с визивиг?
[22:56:42] piranha: жопа это
[22:56:45] piranha: а не интересная задача
[22:56:58] Tony__: лол. уже радует.
[22:56:59] piranha: Tony: я сделал на locations.in.ua, всего кода - 1 хтмл файл и 1 жабаскрипт
[22:57:04] piranha: можешь изучать
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[22:58:12] Tony__: piranha, ты там подсвечиваешь всю textarea а не определенные слова, так?
[22:58:41] piranha: определëнные слова
[22:58:54] piranha: точнее я подсвечиваю отдельные строки
[22:58:59] piranha: но тебя это мало волнует )
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[23:00:46] Tony__: вот ага. строки...
[23:01:09] piranha: ну энивей это дивы отдельные
[23:01:12] piranha: так шо для тебя разницы не играет
[23:01:19] Tony__: ну это понятно.
[23:01:27] Tony__: проще с каким-нибудь tinymce замутить...
[23:01:57] Tony__: http://pix.academ.org/img/2010/12/01/7ea138c556c17b17bd36e08d1b86a107.png а то я удивился чето неадекватно. :)
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[23:02:34] bobry: необычно мыслишь Tony__
[23:02:38] piranha: не проще
[23:03:07] piranha: Tony: серьëзно не проще, я думал сначала - ахтунг эти тинимце
[23:03:48] Tony__: да вот я боюсь. сейчас сделаю для голой textarea а потом попросят еще тинимце какой. и все приплыли переделывать..
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