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[02:43:38] foobarblah: пацаны а кто юзал buildout ?
[02:43:46] foobarblah: щито за конфетка ааа?
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[03:06:11] foobarblah: очередной пип походу, почему я раньше про него не слышал
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[03:13:14] Tony__: это не pip
[03:14:10] Tony__: грубо говоря некий гибрид pip/easy_install и scons/make/ant
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[03:15:50] Tony__: хотя еще выполняет некоторые функции virtualenv
[03:16:31] Tony__: да. вспоминая у меня был свой велосипед из scons/pip/virtualenv который по сути делал то же самое что и buildout...
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[03:30:46] foobarblah: та я уже разобрался
[03:30:54] foobarblah: пипом так грубо назвал, и так все вкурсе думаю
[03:33:42] foobarblah: спать шоле, 03.33
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[08:15:58] _lorien: По битабкету непонятно. Приходят письма о новых камментах из багтрекера и там есть строка: --- you can reply above this line ---
в то же время адрес, откуда пришло письмо: issues-noreply@reply.bitbucket.org
ну и я пробовал отвечать, нихера не появилось в багтрекере.
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[08:33:50] _lorien: как расчитать кредит, 0.5% в день, это сколько за месяц получится? Каждый день 0.5 применяется к сумме заёма или к сумме заёма + проценты на текущий день?
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[08:35:21] tilarids: _lorien, уточнять нужно
[08:35:45] wiz: _lorien, там дохрена всяких заморочек. чуть что и сам себя наипал
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[08:36:00] tilarids: в любом случае, 0.5 процентов в день это дофига
[08:36:42] tilarids: я бы тоже с удовольствием выдавал под 0.5 процентов в день :)
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[08:36:59] _lorien: https://web-lender.com/credit/lines/index.php ну вот сделай такой сервис и выдавай :)
[08:37:07] _lorien: на 8к там уже выдали кредитов
[08:37:31] _lorien: 20 дней - 20%, ну да, нехило.
[08:37:49] _lorien: а, нет, 20 дней - 10%
[08:38:36] tilarids: возможно, статистика - это липа
[08:39:12] tilarids: это нужно совсем денег не считать, чтобы такие кредиты брать
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[08:41:00] _lorien: ну я б взял :) у меня с экономие туговато )
[08:41:20] _lorien: и с терпением
[08:41:43] tilarids: сходи в обычный банк
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[08:41:58] tilarids: если выберешь хороший, там еще и тебе поулыбаются милые девушки
[08:42:05] tilarids: причем совершенно бесплатно
[08:42:10] _lorien: я ходил, хотел автокредит взять - меня послали
[08:42:14] _lorien: девушка ничо так была, да
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[08:42:29] _lorien: я правда в один тока ходил
[08:42:36] tilarids: почему послали?
[08:42:46] _lorien: у меня нет официального трудоустройства
[08:42:55] _lorien: я даже не знаю, где моя трудовая книжка )
[08:43:56] _lorien: сказал, что получаю X килобаков, похоже не поверили и послали меня :)
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[08:46:15] tilarids: _lorien, ты не единоналожник? (или ты вообще не из Украины, не помню?)
[08:46:51] _lorien: я в сибири тусуюсь :)
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[08:46:59] _lorien: у нас тут ща холодно )
[08:47:53] tilarids: у нас тоже подзябло, -15
[08:49:02] _lorien: хм, у нас тогда теплее o_O -14
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[08:50:06] tilarids: в Новосибе вчера жаловались на резкое похолодание с 3 до -22
[08:50:13] _lorien: а ночью -30 будет :D
[08:50:39] _lorien: а 10 декабря -34 ночью ожидается, но это ещё не скоро, скорее всего изменится прогноз
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[08:55:43] _lorien: Здравствуйте! Все очень просто, 0.5% начисляется на сумму кредита в день и составляет 15% в месяц, но с вас так же будет удержана комиссия системы вбмани 0.8% за перевод средств на ваш кошелек и 0.1% за использование D\C кошелька.
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[10:48:15] splash: добрый день, подскажите , при помощи какой библиотеки в python удобнее работать с mysql?
[10:48:35] denger_work: django orm
[10:48:35] foobarblah: при помощи orm
[10:48:48] foobarblah: алхимия, сторм, джанго, куча их
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[10:49:15] splash: джанго - это же веб-фреймворк?
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[10:49:38] splash: да, алхимия, спасибо, а что из себя представляет orm?
[10:49:45] piranha: в джанге есть свой орм, но я б не советовал тебе его юзать
[10:49:54] Darth Лис: гг
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[10:49:57] piranha: либу для написания sql на питоне
[10:50:31] Darth Лис: piranha: это arel делает, и он на руби :D
[10:50:43] piranha: Darth Лис: ты алхимию видел когда-нибудь?
[10:50:57] Darth Лис: агаг
[10:51:06] piranha: ну тада твоя ремарка непонятно к чему
[10:51:16] piranha: всë равно очевидно у алхимии сосëт любая другая либа
[10:51:34] piranha: кошмар, какой у емакса огромный репозиторий...
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[10:51:52] mishok13: нет, алхимия сложная
[10:51:59] mishok13: вот я знаю как написать проще
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[10:52:08] piranha: mishok13: типа, то же самое, но проще?
[10:52:27] mishok13: нет, это я сейчас озвучил логику пишущих свои ормы на питоне
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[10:52:53] piranha: mishok13: а, ок, а то я испугался за тебя
[10:53:09] denger_work: /me неасилил алхимию
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[10:53:18] mishok13: которые через год осознают что orm это нихуя не просто само по себе
[10:53:30] piranha: denger_work: знач не туда смотрел
[10:53:32] mishok13: а концепции лежащие в основе реляционных бд разрывают мозг
[10:53:39] piranha: угу
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[10:53:55] piranha: denger_work: у алхимии интерфейс для обычных людей очень простой
[10:54:21] piranha: проблема в том, чтоб пробиться к пониманию сквозь доку, они не очень хорошо в этом смысле написано - не на поверхности всë лежит
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[10:55:21] piranha: Darth Лис: посмотрел на арел - да, то, что я и помнил - sql-часть алхимии. Не знаю, насколько полная, правда
[10:55:59] Darth Лис: я это к тому что ОРМ не только написанием sql-я занимается
[10:56:04] piranha: 520 mb - репозиторий алхимии
[10:56:11] Darth Лис: херасе
[10:56:16] piranha: ой
[10:56:17] Darth Лис: svn штоле?
[10:56:18] piranha: емакса )
[10:56:23] piranha: Darth Лис: ок, и как ты мне предлагаешь ответить на тот вопрос?
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[10:57:41] Darth Лис: piranha: шо ты такой гундосный сёдня? :) сходи в кофишоп что ли
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[10:58:27] piranha: Darth Лис: не, я просто не понял, к чему арëл тот был )))
[10:58:31] _lorien: splash, зависит от размера твоего приложения, если маааленькое, может проще тупо через python api фигачить запросы
[10:58:43] _lorien: или написать-найти маленькую обёртку для итерации по выборке и прочих нужд частых
[10:58:48] piranha: мля, чекаут емакса происходит дольше, чем клон репозитория :(
[10:58:52] Darth Лис: piranha: арел занимается только написанием sql, и... забей уже
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[11:20:12] piranha: я тащусь от того, что емакс перешëл на базар
[11:20:22] piranha: онлайн-вьювер истории выключен из-за нестабильности, зачод
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[11:20:45] Darth Лис: бгг
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[11:23:17] tilarids: емакс перешел на базар?
[11:23:24] tilarids: rip?
[11:23:48] mishok13: давненько уже
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[11:23:59] tilarids: /me не следит
[11:24:00] mishok13: почему rip?
[11:24:10] mishok13: куча народу на бзр перешла, почему-то
[11:24:23] denger_work: они не такие как все
[11:24:24] mishok13: твистед тот же самый
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[11:25:14] mishok13: для емакса это вообще счастье
[11:25:21] mishok13: пушо был cvs
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[11:27:47] alecs: как мне в python скрипте запустить python manage.py blah ?
[11:27:54] alecs: подскажите плиз )
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[11:28:15] piranha: mishok13: twisted?! fuck
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[11:29:56] mishok13: piranha, да
[11:30:03] mishok13: теперь мучаются, хыхы
[11:30:10] piranha: хыхы
[11:30:21] piranha: не понимаю, кем надо быть, чтоб на такое решиться
[11:30:36] piranha: у базара сделано всë, чтоб запретить иметь две башки в одном клоне
[11:30:45] mishok13: надо быть крутым пацаном и послушать еще более крутых пацанов из FluidDB
[11:30:53] piranha: панятна
[11:30:56] mishok13: которые изначально на базаре сидели
[11:31:07] piranha: fffuuuuDB
[11:31:37] piranha: alecs: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2772990/programmatically-sync-the-db-in-django
[11:31:49] alecs: пасиб :)
[11:31:55] mishok13: жалко логов не осталось
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[11:32:13] mishok13: когда exarkun ругался на базаар
[11:32:16] piranha: :))
[11:32:39] mishok13: http://twistedmatrix.com/trac/wiki/BazaarMirror
[11:32:56] piranha: а, так свн есть
[11:32:57] mishok13: Committing a Bazaar branch to trunk

Please use Subversion to land your branch. (We've had bad experiences with bazaar metadata in older revisions, so until someone has clearly demonstrated that all those issues have been addressed, we'd like to avoid it.)
[11:33:00] mishok13: пока что еще есть
[11:33:02] piranha: тогда hgsubversion/git-svn и всë
[11:33:09] mishok13: но план в 2011 перейти на бзр полностью
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[11:33:24] piranha: какой-то кустарный план
[11:33:33] piranha: дичка прямо
[11:33:43] mishok13: по-моему напротив, очень крутой план
[11:33:51] mishok13: из николаева небось
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[11:35:13] piranha: из петрозаводска
[11:36:40] piranha: yi, похоже, помер или помирает
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[11:37:32] mishok13: помер вроде
[11:37:37] mishok13: да и нах нужен
[11:38:11] piranha: емакс какашка
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[11:38:28] piranha: пойди напиши нормальный режим для какого-нить языка, это ж дикий кошмар
[11:38:45] piranha: хехе, в хг-дев приехали патчи, которые импрувят поддержку пайпай в хг :)
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[11:40:35] mishok13: ты какой-то язык новый пишешь?
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[11:40:49] mishok13: потому что если нет, то мне кажется этот недостаток слегка надуманым
[11:41:00] piranha: нет, но посмотри на js2-mode
[11:41:15] piranha: во-первых, оно тормозит на слабых компах, потому что приходится обманывать емакс
[11:41:17] mishok13: нафига, я максимум json иногда редактирую :)
[11:41:28] piranha: во-вторых, дотянуть любой другой режим до этого уровня - это тупо нереальная задача
[11:41:41] mishok13: а что там клёвого?
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[11:42:46] piranha: он хорошо раздупляет синтаксис. Поправляет тебя, подчëркивает эрроры, расставляет иденты отлично, поддерживает e4x, etc
[11:42:49] piranha: http://code.google.com/p/js2-mode/
[11:43:10] mishok13: мне кажется, это слегка многовато
[11:43:11] piranha: но я забил юзать и юзаю javascript-mode (который был espresso-mode), он ошибается в сложных случаях, но зато не тупит
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[11:43:24] mishok13: то есть, подчеркивать ошибки -- ок
[11:43:27] piranha: ну ок, но обычный js-mode тупо иногда неверно подчëркивает
[11:43:34] mishok13: иденты расставлять -- да
[11:43:35] piranha: в смысле подсвечивает
[11:43:41] mishok13: поправлять? не надо
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[11:44:11] piranha: поправляет не автоматически, в смысле ты становишься, а он говорит "может ты имел в виду"
[11:44:27] mishok13: это как cedet, который меня раздражает своими вторжениями в нормальный процесс написания кода
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[11:44:42] piranha: но на это можно и забить, конечно, но ошибки/отступы - это хорошо
[11:44:47] piranha: у питон-мода есть только второе
[11:44:48] mishok13: должно хватать cc-mode, yasnippet, autopair и xcscope
[11:44:59] piranha: у луа-мода нихера нет
[11:45:06] mishok13: пушо на луа никто не пишет
[11:45:09] piranha: автопейр не понимаю зачем
[11:45:13] mishok13: должен был уже понять
[11:45:16] piranha: mishok13: лажовый довод, не?
[11:45:22] mishok13: охуенный довод :)
[11:45:24] piranha: я имею в виду, шо я б добавил, но это слишком много гемора
[11:45:31] piranha: не гони )
[11:45:54] mishok13: хочешь добавить -- просим в сорцы имакса
[11:45:59] piranha: mishok13: wtf xcscope
[11:46:01] piranha: не хочу, там говно внутри
[11:46:20] splash: /me пошёл "курить" python+alchemy
[11:46:26] splash: всем спасибо за совет
[11:46:27] splash: Ы
[11:46:33] mishok13: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cscope
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[11:47:18] mishok13: ctags/etags, только с возможностью посмотреть callees и callers, дефинишны и прочее
[11:47:37] mishok13: написан чисто для C и C++, есть pycscope для питона
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[11:48:15] mishok13: когда надо ковырятся в кучах кода, очень помогает
[11:48:20] tilarids: mishok13, а чего у тебя за шрифты в емаксе?
[11:48:26] mishok13: Consolas
[11:48:38] tilarids: конфиг со шрифтом и скрин покажешь?
[11:48:42] mishok13: нет
[11:48:45] mishok13: я стесняюсь
[11:48:46] mishok13: :(
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[11:52:03] mishok13: tilarids, http://bitbucket.org/mishok13/emacsen/src/5cf62f329fe6/init.el
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[11:52:13] mishok13: это слегка устаревший конфиг
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[11:52:25] mishok13: я еще не коммитил новый
[11:52:35] mishok13: говнокод на говнокоде, но вроде как работает :)
[11:53:04] mishok13: а xcscope.el устанавливается автоматом вместе с самим cscope
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[11:54:16] tilarids: спс, опробую
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[11:54:54] mishok13: и еще -- так как cscope использует базу, то тебе прийдется rebuild базы в крон добавить, если код часто меняется
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[12:01:50] piranha: tilarids: а шо ты думал, в сказку попал? Или каждый раз ждать три года, пока твой IDE просканит базу, или рекомпилить сборник тегов :)
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[12:02:37] mishok13: да, сказочного ничего не бывает
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[12:02:53] mishok13: если скорость не критична и исходников мало (<10MB)
[12:02:59] mishok13: можно и ack'ом пользоваться
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[12:03:17] tilarids: когда горы были молодыми, а я пользовался MS Visual Studio 2005 с плагинчиком Visual Assist, все происходило на лету, а такого автокомплита до сих пор нет ни в одной бесплатной С/С++ IDE.
[12:03:30] tilarids: piranha, это я к тому, что все возможно
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[12:04:32] piranha: от тока перегенерация базы на лету - это куча работы
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[12:04:46] mishok13: вижуал ассист как раз и регенерит базу инкрементально
[12:04:46] piranha: когда ты такое делаешь, ты сразу начинаешь хотеть денег
[12:05:07] mishok13: кстати, в vs 6 это было builtin для С++
[12:05:20] mishok13: никаких вижуаласистов не надо біло
[12:05:50] tilarids: mishok13, ну, да. Но ничего ставить в крон мне было не нужно. И работало оно быстро и незаметно
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[12:06:09] mishok13: но за денежку
[12:06:12] tilarids: факт
[12:06:14] mishok13: и только под виндой
[12:06:18] mishok13: и только для VS
[12:06:31] foobarblah: о пацаны вижу вы тут о редакторах трете, я вот чтото с вима на имакс думаю посмотреть, стоит не ?
[12:06:35] foobarblah: ну так в двух словах, что бы логи не читать
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[12:08:19] piranha: foobarblah: хрен его знает
[12:08:20] mishok13: если давно на виме, то наверное стоит
[12:08:29] piranha: mishok13: а ты pycscope юзаешь?
[12:08:31] mishok13: если недавно, то продолжай учить вим
[12:08:51] mishok13: piranha, иногда
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[12:09:50] Darth Лис: вим тормозит, зараза
[12:10:10] Darth Лис: на больших файлах подсветка убивает нахер
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[12:10:48] mishok13: большой файл -- это сколько строк?
[12:10:53] tilarids: /me тоже заинтересовался
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[12:12:18] piranha: а, я тоже слышал, на стековерфлоу обсуждали, шо у емакса с этим получше
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[12:13:50] foobarblah: кто делает большие файлы тот ссзб
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[12:14:25] mishok13: кто живет в сферическом вакууме тот ссзб
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[12:14:44] Darth Лис: 300 строк и больше
[12:14:48] foobarblah: J_J
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[12:14:56] piranha: 300 строк - это какой-то децкий лепет...
[12:15:03] Darth Лис: да и даже на меньшем можно добиться, особенно его высаживает html подстветка
[12:15:20] Darth Лис: если html сильно путанный и ещё с не просто html а шаблоны какие-то
[12:15:38] Darth Лис: джанговские например, или рельсовые
[12:16:08] tilarids: гм. У меня до 100к строк нормально открывает. Плюсовый код
[12:16:46] Darth Лис: ну я и говорю, больше всего html подстветка его убивает
[12:16:48] tilarids: вот эклипс на таких файлах уже дохнет
[12:16:58] tilarids: не редактирую html :)
[12:16:59] Darth Лис: а если недайбог включишь подстветку 80+ символом это пипец
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[12:21:49] Darth Лис: такшта, емакс рулит и педалит :)
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[12:23:32] Darth Лис: > git config --global alias.blya "reset --hard HEAD"
плачу
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[12:29:09] piranha: жаль, что нет "отменить последнее действие", это было бы еще лучше :)
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[12:35:54] slav0nic: transifex мудаки, взяли убрали поддержку VCS =\
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[12:39:14] mishok13: http://blog.seattleinterviewcoach.com/2009/02/140-google-interview-questions.html#software_engineer
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[12:39:31] mishok13: """Explain the significance of "dead beef"."""
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[12:39:45] mishok13: """Write a regular expression which matches a email address."""
[12:40:26] mishok13: это пиздец, извините
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[12:49:23] piranha: и шо, ты думаешь, там есть регексп для мыло?
[12:49:26] piranha: *мыла
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[12:49:58] piranha: там такое определение, что регекспы выходит длиной в строк 30
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[12:52:44] erraen: 82 строки по 80 символов :)
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[12:53:23] erraen: А не, то уже уонкретная реализация, туплю.
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[13:10:34] denger_work: по виму два вопроса
[13:10:42] denger_work: как переходить от одной скобки к парной?
[13:10:51] denger_work: что делает клавиша ;
[13:10:54] denger_work: ?
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[13:23:27] denger_work: я с ним заебался
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[13:39:22] alecs: гг
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[13:39:40] alecs: а что глючнее : extjs или dojo
[13:40:02] wiz: dojo говнее
[13:40:13] mishok13: http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2010/12/haskell-researchers-announce-discovery.html
[13:40:24] alecs: пишут же на хабре статьи про extjs ... а я в шоке от него был ... 2.2.0 версия была , ошибки были , за 2.2.Х версию плати баблос
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[13:42:40] wiz: extjs 3.3 у меня сейчас - всё пучком
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[15:09:20] wiz: — Мыкола, ты слыхал, як москали ICMP–пакеты называють?
— Як?
— Пииинги!..
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[15:12:17] piranha: так бы й вбыв бы
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[15:17:50] foobarblah: так вот, спрошу днем, есть нормальные примеры class base views, create update delete восновном интересуют. чето там както мутно все
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[15:18:57] wiz: в доках же есть всё
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[15:20:39] foobarblah: там только detail & list
[15:20:46] foobarblah: нихера не ясно, чесно :(
[15:21:02] foobarblah: не ну тоесть оно то с какойто стороны ясно но как правильно -- не ясно
[15:21:04] foobarblah: нужен эталон
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[15:24:04] foobarblah: и не ясно, это новый механизм вьювов или новый механизм написания дженериков, будут ли процедурные дженерики депрекейтед или нет, что юзать дальше и как и вообще
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[15:24:54] foobarblah: я пытался создать CreateView но у меня ничего не вышло, я не понимаю что где писать, в post форму сохранять или в is_valid, куда где что принимать, почему имя шаблона надо указывать если написано что оно генерится, короче может я дегенерат но у меня не вышло. и примеров никто не дает только все кричат мол все просто и цитируют доку(хелоуворлд ога)
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[15:29:18] foobarblah: piranha: slav0nic: _lorien: ребята, памагите а?
[15:29:33] piranha: foobarblah: я не юзал класс-бейзед дженерики
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[15:29:39] slav0nic: +1 ))
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[15:29:45] piranha: кроме того, мне это кажется порочной идеей
[15:30:31] slav0nic: стиль объявления классами в джанег не стал дефолтным, это лишь для дженериков, в остальном пиши как раньше
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[15:32:49] foobarblah: но я дженерики на всю котушку юзаю, мне их юзать процедурные учитывая что я транк юззаю или готовится к худшему?
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[15:40:01] _lorien: я тоже не юзал
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[15:40:43] _lorien: Ну как бы посмотри, чо там в сорцах и доках и юзай :)
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[15:42:56] _lorien: Я думаю раз их воткнули, то почему бы и не юзать?
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[15:49:24] foobarblah: да смотрел я сорцы, и доки, прозрения не наступило
[15:49:27] foobarblah: ладно, подождем...
[15:49:31] foobarblah: даже чтото тесты не особо радуют
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[16:00:17] _lorien: хм, убежал
[16:00:24] _lorien: а я ссылочку накопал http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers/browse_thread/thread/de3c8faa7f1f8020/6b3329010cd54d91?show_docid=6b3329010cd54d91&fwc=1&pli=1
[16:01:15] _lorien: class ItemCreateView(CreateView):
form_class = ItemForm
def form_valid(self, form):
form.instance.owner = self.request.user
return super(MyView, self).form_valid(form)
ну ваще это круто :)
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[16:50:13] mishok13: крутая фирма с Веника хочет меня проинтервьюировать
[16:50:20] mishok13: я ебу, офис в районе жопы киева
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[17:21:37] _lorien: http://cs4467.vkontakte.ru/u16499339/98696211/x_1fd3065b.jpg
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[17:33:58] _lorien: http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi1370687001/ а где бы это качнуть да ещё в русском перевеоде бы?
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[18:06:23] kerk: Доброе время суток!
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[18:07:43] kerk: Сорри, за сразу вопросы, однако гуглом обойтись не смог. И докс.питон.орг выдал, что не найдено ни одного документа.
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[18:08:11] kerk: Собственно, найти бы документик по библиотеке newt ^)
[18:08:23] deepwalker: !g newt
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[18:09:14] deepwalker: http://www.whoow.org/people/Jean-Marc.Lienher/gnewt/tutorial.html
[18:09:18] deepwalker: kerk, done?
[18:09:40] kerk: А без ввода имени, фамилии и индекса можно?
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[18:10:09] kerk: О! Вторая ссылка получше :)
[18:10:58] deepwalker: не поверишь, а зашел в гугел, набрал "python newt", увидел статью в википедии, и там была ссылка на доку
[18:11:06] deepwalker: kerk, дарю метод
[18:12:05] kerk: Спасиб, но Вики мне по newt как-то не предложила ничего, я сам там люблю искать. Впрочем, я по английски не понимаю, потому, ищу только в русском разделе
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[18:12:41] mishok13: you're screwed
[18:12:44] mishok13: учи английский
[18:12:47] kerk: Кста, и в гугле тож просил страницы на русском :(
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[19:26:11] deepwalker: kerk, слушай тебе ехать или найти стопитсот причин не ехать?
[19:26:16] deepwalker: так с любой библиотекой
[19:26:36] deepwalker: думаешь в доке по qt детально описывается все что для c++ то же и для питона?
[19:26:38] deepwalker: а хрен
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[19:26:42] deepwalker: да и не надо же
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[19:34:48] kerk: deepwalker, неа, не с любой, по Tkinter гораздо более подробно и доступно. Ну, это например
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[19:41:39] deepwalker: ну ну
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[19:41:53] deepwalker: исключение, одно единственное
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[19:45:52] _lorien: хороший дамп нашёл http://dumpz.org/25152/
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[20:05:16] kerk: Лан, всё равно спасибо. Нашёл парочку примеров с использованием newt, буду ковыряться...
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[22:59:22] bobry: да, дамб добротный
[22:59:26] bobry: *dump
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