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[08:49:17] Magister Yoda: привет всем. с Solaris работал кто-нибудь?
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[08:51:45] Magister Yoda: плохо. мне курсач надо писать по нему))
[08:52:00] Magister Yoda: http://forum.os-solaris.ru/index.php?topic=164.0
[08:52:47] bobry: по зонированию есть оличные лекции у Торчинского
[08:52:50] bobry: погугли дядечку
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[10:15:47] webninja: что можно почитать про паттерны проектирования
[10:15:48] webninja: ?
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[10:18:26] bobry: webninja, GoF — классика же
[10:18:39] webninja: !g GoF
[10:18:56] webninja: не читал классику
[10:19:08] webninja: Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Potter_and_the_Goblet_of_Fire>
[10:19:12] webninja: хах
[10:19:14] bobry: :D
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[10:19:55] bobry: webninja, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design_Patterns_(book)
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[10:19:59] webninja: http://blekko.com/ws/+GoF+%2Fprogramming
[10:20:09] webninja: блекко ништяк работает
[10:20:13] bobry: а еще можно посмотреть с pycon'a видео, lack of design patterns
[10:20:18] webninja: поисковик со слештагами
[10:20:43] bobry: и еще же одно было, про то шо много паттернов уже built into the language
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[10:20:50] webninja: смотреть пока напряжно. нет дорогой там где я щаз нахожусь
[10:20:52] bobry: только вот название доклада щас не вспомню
[10:20:55] bobry: а
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[11:53:04] : _lorien установил(а) тему: Python.SU | Сначала поищи ответ на docs.python.org | Теперь поищи на google.com | Код постить в dumpz.org | Хочешь задать вопрос - просто *задай* его! | За голосом - в приват к модераторам | Правила написания хорошего кода: http://➡.ws/pep8 | Логи: http://➡.ws/pu
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[12:47:17] xa4a: piranha: http://svargahq.net/docs/, ссылка Module index
[12:47:28] xa4a: тут на kyiv.py обсуждают сваргу)
[12:47:46] piranha: :)))
[12:47:58] piranha: щас удалю ссылку, сек
[12:48:44] piranha: xa4a: пофиксил :)
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[12:50:49] piranha: xa4a: а шо обсуждают-то? Что-то интересное говорят или "втф, нахера оно надо"?
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[12:53:45] xa4a: дада. так спросили
[12:53:52] xa4a: Сева вышел, расказал всем)
[12:54:35] Sevenov: Сева показал класс.
[12:55:00] piranha: :)))
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[12:55:17] piranha: нахер нужен еще один доклад про джангу, кстати?
[12:55:19] piranha: xa4a: ^
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[12:56:43] xa4a: piranha: он про class-based generics
[12:56:56] piranha: гхм
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[13:00:09] Sevenov: xa4a, джанга по тихоньку возвращается к классическому mvc?
[13:00:20] piranha: лолвц
[13:00:56] xa4a: /me е знаком с mvc ваще, кроме джанги. как только заинтересовался zend framework в php - встретил питон..
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[13:02:21] _lorien: о, говорящий Sevenov
[13:02:43] Sevenov: xa4a, а рельсы чо?
[13:02:50] Sevenov: _lorien, да, нынче это редкость.
[13:03:14] xa4a: Sevenov: хз
[13:03:34] piranha: можно ли как-то издалека положить деньги на скайп?
[13:03:39] piranha: в смысле шоб я положил не на свой аккаунт
[13:03:46] piranha: какие-то ваучеры мож есть или чо? знает хто?
[13:03:48] xa4a: piranha: у нас можно через ibox
[13:04:26] piranha: ага, тоже вариант, а естчо?
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[13:05:40] xa4a: http://www.skype.com/intl/en-us/prices/ways-to-pay/?country=NL ?
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[13:06:27] _lorien: Я извращенец, я проимпортировал данные из drupal в джангу
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[13:06:43] _lorien: У друпала внутри пиздос полный в структуре бд
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[13:08:23] Sevenov: _lorien, не все извращенцы говноеды и наоборот ;))
[13:08:35] _lorien: согласен
[13:09:32] _lorien: я только не понял, я говноед или чо :)
[13:09:53] _lorien: я вчера иду, а кто-то кинул бутылку с балкона и чуть мне по башке не прилетело
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[13:11:36] Sevenov: _lorien, сегодня рядом со мной упала огромная "сосуля"
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[13:15:11] Typhon: а чо там в киеве встреча питонистов, да?
[13:15:29] piranha: да
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[13:17:29] Typhon: в москве немного другие встречи сегодня http://static.vesti.ru/p/o_478001.jpg
[13:17:42] piranha: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/pdbpp
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[13:22:05] piranha: вот это разрыв
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[13:25:56] _lorien: а это за чувачки на фотке?
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[13:30:06] Typhon: google Москва Водный Стадион Егор Свиридов
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[13:32:35] piranha: fuck
[13:32:42] piranha: надо как можно быстрее амальгаму в сваргу пыжевать
[13:32:47] piranha: чем дальше, тем больнее будет
[13:32:48] piranha: :|
[13:33:07] Typhon: что за амальгама?
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[13:33:36] piranha: http://hg.piranha.org.ua/amalgam/docs/
[13:33:52] Typhon: хм, я думал с меркуриалу что-то :)
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[14:37:42] webninja: привет
[14:37:51] webninja: хочу репозиторий поставить себе
[14:37:58] webninja: короче для проектов
[14:38:13] webninja: piranha у тебя что стоит?
[14:38:24] cutwater: webninja: git
[14:38:29] webninja: можно же делать часть открыто а часть закрыто?
[14:38:39] piranha: webninja: какой репозиторий?
[14:38:42] piranha: ты про hg.piranha.org.ua?
[14:38:45] webninja: да
[14:38:51] piranha: hg serve обычный
[14:38:56] piranha: mercurial
[14:39:07] Typhon: только зачем, когда есть битбакет и гитхаб ? %)
[14:39:08] piranha: но проще заюзать bitbucket или github
[14:39:15] cutwater: github YEAH
[14:39:16] webninja: там платно закрытые
[14:39:19] Typhon: нет
[14:39:22] webninja: да
[14:39:36] piranha: да
[14:39:36] Typhon: у меня несколько закрытых репозиториев на битбакете
[14:39:40] Typhon: не платил ни цента
[14:39:43] piranha: на битбакете бесплатно
[14:39:48] piranha: на гитхабе платно
[14:39:51] webninja: да
[14:39:58] cutwater: по-моему ж на битбакете один только бесплатно?
[14:40:00] piranha: 5
[14:40:02] Typhon: уже нет
[14:40:05] cutwater: м круто
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[14:40:14] Typhon: СПАСИБО АТЛАСИАНУ!1!!
[14:40:18] piranha: тут есть маленькая проблема
[14:40:29] piranha: хг лучше гита, но гитхаб лучше битбакета
[14:40:31] cutwater: webninja: но хочешь иметь нормально закрытый ставь git и gitosis или mercurial и хз чего
[14:40:34] Typhon: дадада
[14:40:35] piranha: поэтому я не пользуюсь ни одним, ни другим :(
[14:40:40] webninja: блин
[14:40:44] piranha: :D
[14:40:50] piranha: webninja: не парься, возьми битбакет, да и всë
[14:40:51] webninja: ну у меня больше 5 проектов которые я хочу закрытыми оставлять
[14:40:58] piranha: гхм
[14:40:59] Typhon: зачем? :-)
[14:41:07] piranha: ну ты их можешь вообще положить просто куда-нить и доступаться по сс
[14:41:09] piranha: ссх
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[14:41:14] piranha: без всякой там настройки
[14:41:24] piranha: а туда выкладывать только открытые
[14:41:32] webninja: и еще у меня сервер есть
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[14:41:55] cutwater: ну так подними на сервере gitorious к примеру
[14:42:07] cutwater: piranha: кстати что есть у mercurial для разделения доступа?
[14:42:09] piranha: нахера гиториус целый поднимать?
[14:42:12] piranha: cutwater: а что тебе надо?
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[14:42:20] piranha: есть экстеншен acl
[14:42:22] cutwater: piranha: что-то по типу gitosis.
[14:42:24] piranha: в комплекте идëт
[14:42:24] cutwater: ок посмотрю
[14:42:29] piranha: есть mercurial-server
[14:42:33] piranha: это типа гитозиса
[14:42:41] webninja: мне hg.piranha.org.ua понравился
[14:42:52] piranha: webninja: ну это "hg serve" запущенный просто
[14:42:56] cutwater: хм... ну ок
[14:43:07] piranha: http://hg.piranha.org.ua/twssh/
[14:43:13] piranha: webninja: вот здесь особенно красиво
[14:43:14] piranha: :(
[14:43:27] cutwater: вот все же странно что git якобы хуже mercurial, но github круче битбакета
[14:43:35] piranha: cutwater: чем странно?! О_О
[14:43:42] piranha: ну да, уй у гита - уйня
[14:43:50] piranha: но кто мешает сайт делать нормальный?
[14:44:05] piranha: или ты не заметил, что джеспер года полтора вообще ничего не делал с битбакетом? :)
[14:45:02] cutwater: битбакетом сильно не интересовался.
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[14:45:27] piranha: убедила
[14:45:48] cutwater: вообще как по мне hg не привычен
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[14:46:35] piranha: если ты надрыкался гит юзать, то очевидно
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[14:46:50] piranha: у гита столько неконсистентностей, что после него всë непривычным будет
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[14:47:33] cutwater: например?
[14:48:03] piranha: git reset весь
[14:48:32] webninja: покажите как гит выглядит
[14:48:39] cutwater: google://git
[14:48:45] Typhon: как говно ^_____^
[14:48:46] webninja: !g git
[14:48:58] cutwater: да ничего вы не понимаете. гит няшка же.
[14:49:22] piranha: ага
[14:49:28] piranha: гитняшка звучит ничо
[14:49:35] piranha: фу, опять гитняшку подложили
[14:50:07] cutwater: как минимум выхлоп git status больше нравится чем hg status, подсветка и все прочее. как бы я может не разбирался, но поведение по дефолту ну не фонтан
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[14:50:10] webninja: !g системы контроля версий
[14:50:20] cutwater: плюс таки подсветки в виме и прочие прелести
[14:50:29] piranha: cutwater: ничо не понял?
[14:50:33] piranha: шо с подсветкой не так?
[14:50:41] cutwater: piranha: ну э... в hg она есть?
[14:50:43] piranha: гит статус заëпывает комментами этими
[14:50:45] piranha: конечно
[14:51:06] piranha: https://skitch.com/piranha/rrxc2/piranha-gto-zsh-156x35
[14:51:12] cutwater: piranha: ну мне удобно визуально более читабельно чем

? some
M some2
M some3
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[14:51:22] cutwater: это как-то svn ом попахивает
[14:51:35] piranha: я тебя не понимаю что-то
[14:51:38] piranha: визуально - это по цветам?
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[14:51:54] cutwater: хотя бы разделить на блоки а не одним куском
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[14:52:22] cutwater: хотя по статусу не знаю + все же к hg в том что если есть новая папка, он в статусе показывает ее содержимое а не только название.
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[14:53:21] piranha: https://skitch.com/piranha/rrxch/piranha-gto-zsh-156x35
[14:53:41] piranha: это нормально?
[14:53:45] piranha: подсветочка такая супер
[14:53:47] piranha: изменил - красное
[14:53:50] piranha: не добавил - красное
[14:53:53] piranha: супер!
[14:54:00] piranha: главное, что консистентно %)
[14:54:12] piranha: я только недоволен тем, что вот эти все комменты не красным
[14:54:51] Typhon: это нормально считается?
[14:55:08] cutwater: Typhon: ну хз. по мне это читабельней чем выхлоп hg
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[14:55:09] Typhon: а главное юниксстайл, ага, можно вывод куда-нибудь пихнуть
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[14:55:16] piranha: cutwater: ты шо, с ума сошëл? )
[14:55:24] cutwater: Typhon: для юниксстайла есть выхлоп в стиле hg
[14:55:36] piranha: а! т.е. гит уже не юниксстайл?
[14:55:40] Typhon: ну тогда его надо алиасить на дефолтный st
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[14:56:48] piranha: cutwater: и главный вопрос - почему все строки начинаются с #?
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[14:56:54] piranha: это типа не смотри сюда, это комментарии?
[14:57:13] piranha: не, я серьëзно, если окинуть картину ясным взглядом, гит порадует килограммами откровений
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[14:57:25] piranha: меня оно уже не сильно бесит, я привык, но тем не менее лол
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[14:58:26] cutwater: piranha: http://dumpz.org/25531/
[14:58:53] piranha: в таком режиме оно подсвечивает только первую букву
[14:58:59] piranha: неизменным отличным красным цветом
[14:59:05] piranha: :(
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[14:59:34] Typhon: плюс непонятно, нафига то что логичнее и понятнее заносить куда-то в задницу с сотней аргументов, а по дефолту ересь ставить
[14:59:47] piranha: у хг просто и хг, и вывод приспособлены не только к тому, чтоб его читал человек, но и чтоб его обрабатывала машина
[15:00:02] piranha: а у гита вывод интерфейса приспособлен к жопе негра только, к сожалению
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[15:00:13] piranha: вывод внутренних команд ок, естественно, они сами им пользуются
[15:00:28] piranha: и хг - в смысле и внутренний апи
[15:00:37] cutwater: piranha: ну наверно таки разработчики hg не предполагали что им будет пользоваться юзер из консоли
[15:00:42] piranha: у гита апи нет
[15:00:47] piranha: cutwater: ну что за хрень?
[15:00:51] Typhon: наоборот %)
[15:00:53] cutwater: потому что ересь по дефолту предназначена для более наглядного восприятия
[15:01:04] piranha: да блять ну какое наглядное восприятие
[15:01:05] cutwater: ну блин.. я не воспринимаю эти однобуквенные сочетания
[15:01:06] piranha: добавил - синее
[15:01:08] piranha: удалил - красное
[15:01:09] cutwater: я не хочу их запоминать
[15:01:14] piranha: а тут - добавил - красное, не добавил - красное
[15:01:16] piranha: супер
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[15:01:26] piranha: ты вообще в курсе, почему хг до сих пор живой?
[15:01:42] piranha: потому что им пользоваться было можно с самого начала
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[15:01:52] piranha: в то время как гит заработал где-то через месяца 3-4 более-менее
[15:01:53] cutwater: хм... потому что он привычней для свнщиков?
[15:02:02] piranha: а интерфейс ему сделали года через 3
[15:02:10] piranha: свнщиков там не было
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[15:02:24] piranha: что у одного, что у второго первые пользователи - коммиттеры линухового ядра
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[15:46:58] cutwater: piranha: кстати из соседней конфы спрашивают
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[15:47:53] cutwater: меркуриал тоже не умеет докачку, урезанные репозитарии и репозитарии в полтерабайта?
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[15:50:02] piranha: абсолютно
[15:50:04] piranha: :)
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[15:50:11] cutwater: =)
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[15:50:21] piranha is now Человек и набор библиотек.
[15:50:32] piranha: cutwater: урезанные постоянно в процессе
[15:50:44] piranha: с докачкой - по частям пулл делать разве что
[15:50:48] piranha: в полтерабайта да, те же траблы
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[16:17:22] webninja: пусть будет гит )
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[16:26:50] webninja: Permission denied (publickey).
fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
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[16:27:05] webninja: гм
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[16:28:32] webninja: ага
[16:29:02] webninja: мне вот любопытно
[16:29:21] webninja: а как работают счастливые пользователи виндовс?
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[16:30:06] Typhon: TortoiseHG есть, если хочешь гуя
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[16:31:56] webninja: для гита?
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[16:33:13] Typhon: ну для гита вот -- http://code.google.com/p/tortoisegit/ -- не знаю, не пробовал. а tortoiseHG у народа работает
[16:33:27] Typhon: да и просто hg тоже
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[16:48:52] piranha is now Человек и набор библиотек.
[16:49:42] cutwater: Typhon: tortoisegit работает
[16:49:47] cutwater: и просто git bash под виндами работает
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[16:53:21] Magister Yoda: всем привет. кто какой видеоплеер юзает?
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[16:54:01] cutwater: mplayer же ну
[16:54:03] Typhon: piranha, ^^
[16:54:12] Typhon: собирался показательные расстрелы провести %)
[16:54:32] cutwater: Typhon: м.. я за бан если что
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[17:02:56] webninja: за что?
[17:05:12] slav0nic: мдя, квыряю код, вместо fk - CharField, m2m - CharField куда пихается list %)
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[17:17:37] cutwater: piranha: кстати если чо. в гите цвета настраиваются
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[17:17:40] cutwater: а не везде красный
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[17:17:55] piranha: cutwater: мне еще и выдумывать их? )
[17:18:03] cutwater: =)
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[17:43:46] webninja: вроде поставил настроил гит. подрубил гитхаб
[17:44:16] webninja: теперь все что я напишу локально я могу git push origin master переместить на github?
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[17:46:46] gf: webninja после git commit -a
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[17:47:16] webninja: спасиб, ништяк
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[18:07:55] Ляпатяпа: http://mercurial.ru/
[18:08:15] Ляпатяпа: накидайте еще полезных ссылок
[18:08:56] piranha: http://mercurial.aragost.com/kick-start/
[18:09:14] Ляпатяпа: ну я хотел на русском
[18:09:27] piranha: а
[18:09:31] piranha: хз :)
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[18:09:38] Typhon: http://pqr7.wordpress.com/2010/10/10/a-guide-to-branching-in-mercurial/
[18:09:56] Typhon: http://community.livejournal.com/levin_matveev/33993.html
[18:10:02] Ляпатяпа: но добавил
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[18:10:51] piranha: про mq клëво!
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[18:12:00] Ляпатяпа: добавил
[18:12:07] Ляпатяпа: а по mq сам бы почитал
[18:12:17] erraen is now online
[18:12:25] Ляпатяпа: про бранчинг эту статью давно видел
[18:12:35] Ляпатяпа: тоже добавил обе
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[18:15:42] tilarids: /me как раз ругался недавно на систему ветвленния в меркуриале. убрел читать, может я как-то неправильно использую
[18:16:22] Ляпатяпа: /me не использует бранчи, юзает клонированные репозитарии
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[18:17:32] tilarids: у меня сборка проекта с 0 занимает довольно много времени. Поэтому клонирование не очень удобно
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[18:18:25] Ляпатяпа: а у нас в репозитории лежит полный дистриб dojo
[18:18:28] Ляпатяпа: 100 метров
[18:18:35] Ляпатяпа: из них 23 - demos
[18:18:42] Ляпатяпа: все это на самба шаре
[18:18:59] Ляпатяпа: и svn, и hg тормозят на статусе и других командах
[18:19:06] Ляпатяпа: хотя там ревизий штук 20
[18:19:26] Ляпатяпа: всего
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[18:20:04] tilarids: да, меркуриал на статусе тормознее гита
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[18:22:01] tilarids: не, не описано в статье то, что меня нагружает в меркуриале
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[18:22:32] Ляпатяпа: допиши
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[18:23:05] tilarids: дописать ругательства в сторону меркуриала?
[18:23:28] Ляпатяпа: lf
[18:24:18] tilarids: если б я знал решение - дописал бы
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[18:25:08] tilarids: хотя, есть решение - юзать rebase
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[18:27:53] tilarids: кстати, адептам меркуриала вот такой вопросец: лежал в репозитории компонент, потом в определённый момент этот компонент вынесли в subrepo. все работает отлично, но теперь нельзя перескочить на ревизию, лежащую перед моментом выноса. пишет что-то про конфликт между subrepo и тем, что там лежало раньше. Что посоветуете?
[18:27:57] tilarids: piranha, ^
[18:28:35] piranha: хм
[18:28:42] piranha: не знаю, заполнить багрепорт, например?
[18:28:47] tilarids: rek
[18:28:54] tilarids: в смысле, отлично
[18:29:20] piranha: ну на самом деле сабрепы не так много народу используют, и некоторые моменты проскакивают мимо глаз, к сожалению
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[18:30:20] piranha: tilarids: бтв, знаешь же, в новом есть гитовые сабрепы?
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[18:30:29] piranha: раз ты юзаешь, то думал, может тебе как-то полезно будет, гг
[18:30:51] piranha: tilarids: а что не нравится в системе ветвления?
[18:31:33] piranha: Ляпатяпа: inotify?
[18:31:53] Ляпатяпа: боюсь это черезчур
[18:31:57] piranha: меркуриал на статусе тормознее гита из-за питона, к сожалению :( старт всë медленнее и медленнее с каждой версией питона
[18:32:03] Ляпатяпа: или есть плагин легко используемый9
[18:32:06] piranha: ну да
[18:32:11] piranha: inotify называется
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[18:32:22] Ляпатяпа: у нас все на сетевых дисках лежит
[18:32:23] piranha: вообще он только под линупсом работает, если что
[18:32:30] piranha: а…
[18:32:32] piranha: не NFS случайно?
[18:32:40] Ляпатяпа: вот думаю, как можно на свою файловую систему переделать
[18:32:42] Ляпатяпа: самба
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[18:32:49] piranha: а, самба… хех, ну про самбу я хз
[18:33:04] Ляпатяпа: я недавно только на работе линь поставил, почти все остальные разработчики винду юзают
[18:33:06] Ляпатяпа: и свн
[18:33:08] piranha: там с нфс куча траблов, потому что линуховое ядро с ним странно работает, и всë из-за этого тормозит
[18:33:09] piranha: ага
[18:33:21] piranha: ну так если у тебя хгсабвершен, ты ж можешь локально себе клонировать
[18:33:25] piranha: и не юзать самбу
[18:33:41] Ляпатяпа: с виндой заебался, особенно в первое время, ну я уже матерился тут давно по этому поводу
[18:33:50] Ляпатяпа: там проблема с сервером
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[18:34:19] piranha: ясно
[18:34:27] Ляпатяпа: апач работает, прогружает все что лежит на сетевом диске
[18:34:37] Ляпатяпа: и на этот же домен аджакс запросы к базе летят
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[18:34:42] piranha: херовый сетап
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[18:34:52] Ляпатяпа: но это другой проект и нельзя у себя развернуть
[18:34:55] piranha: дев-серверов т.е. локально у каждого разработчика нет?
[18:34:57] piranha: угу
[18:34:59] Ляпатяпа: оракл, вся фигня
[18:35:10] Ляпатяпа: нету
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[18:35:49] piranha: омг
[18:35:54] piranha: сочувствую
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[18:36:07] tilarids: piranha, мне не нравятся слишком сильное ветвление меркуриала. Вот думаю, как бы так организовать работу, чтобы вместо мержа всегда делать ребейз
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[18:36:20] tilarids: потому что с мерджами иногда получаются некрасивые штуки
[18:37:01] piranha: tilarids: ну это не меркуриала проблема, очевидно
[18:37:12] piranha: точно то же ты имел бы и в гите
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[18:37:46] piranha: tilarids: http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/RebaseIfExtension - может ты такого хочешь:
[18:37:48] piranha: ?
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[18:39:19] tilarids: вот, например: делал я feature1, доделал, сделал pull себе всех последних изменений из remote, смержил с feature1 и в таком виде feature1 осталась ожидать, когда ее можно будет пнуть в master. На базе feature1 я начал делать feature2, периодически забирая изменения с ремоута. После десятка чейнджсетов в feature2 оказывается, что feature1 нужно немного подправить и заливать. Возвращаюсь в feature1, делаю правки, а смержиться с основной веткой и залить feature1 я уже не могу - основная ветка неразрывно связана с feature2. Понятно написал? :)
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[18:40:03] piranha: до момента, когда ты не можешь смержиться в feature1 и залить еë
[18:40:09] piranha: давай по порядку
[18:40:15] piranha: ты делал f1
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[18:40:24] piranha: вот в какой-то момент закончил еë делать
[18:40:29] piranha: потом на базе неë начал делать f2
[18:40:42] piranha: а потом вернулся к f1 на основе f2?
[18:40:50] piranha: или как?
[18:40:54] tilarids: а потом просто вернулся к f1
[18:40:57] piranha: что такое "возвращаюсь в feature1"?
[18:41:05] tilarids: hg co f1
[18:41:08] piranha: это ты ментально возвращаешься или делаешь
[18:41:10] piranha: ага, делаешь
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[18:41:20] piranha: тогда почему оно неразрывно связано с f2?
[18:41:26] tilarids: в этот момент основная ветка уже несколько раз пересеклась с f2
[18:41:44] tilarids: и если я с ней смержусь, я вмержу в f1 изменения из f2
[18:41:53] piranha: бррр
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[18:42:07] piranha: ты заливал f2 в основную ветку?
[18:42:13] piranha: или ты основную мержил в ф2?
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[18:42:20] tilarids: с клонированными репозиториями все получается ок. И с гитовыми бранчами у меня проблем таких не было
[18:42:27] tilarids: основную мержил в f2
[18:42:31] piranha: ну тогда я не вижу проблем
[18:42:50] piranha: подожди, я щас нарисую, что понял, и обсудим )
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[18:46:34] piranha: tilarids: http://paste.in.ua/1523/
[18:46:44] piranha: вот такая ситуация у тебя перед тем, как ты начал опять над ф1 работать, так?
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[18:47:24] piranha: http://paste.in.ua/1524/
[18:47:30] piranha: то было перед
[18:47:39] piranha: а вот такая ситуация, когда ты уже поработал над f1
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[18:47:55] piranha: tilarids: не вижу проблемы, почему ты не можешь f1 смержить в main и где оно зависит от f2?
[18:49:34] tilarids: piranha, там важный момент, что я несколько раз мержил f2 с main
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[18:49:52] piranha: ну так я ж тоже мержил ф2 с main
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[18:50:25] piranha: или мне сделать несколько мержей?
[18:50:35] piranha: разницы-то никакой
[18:50:53] piranha: ты ж не ф2 в мейн мержишь, а мейн в ф2, таким образом мейн у тебя чистый
[18:51:23] tilarids: http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/2157/paintyl.jpg - вот что-то такое у меня получалось, насколько я помню ситуацию
[18:51:43] piranha: ну так это ты ф2 в мейн мержил?
[18:51:50] piranha: не, ну слушай, при чëм тут меркуриал?
[18:51:53] tilarids: просто делал hg merge
[18:51:55] piranha: ну ок
[18:52:10] piranha: но если на основе твоих изменений никто не коммитил в мейн, то никакой разницы нет
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[18:52:24] tilarids: piranha, так это всё локально
[18:52:25] piranha: у тебя на картинке main содержит f2
[18:52:31] piranha: ну посмотри на мои графики
[18:52:40] tilarids: так, сейчас попробую повторить
[18:52:41] piranha: то же самое, но при мерже main не двигается
[18:52:50] piranha: потому что нет смысла его двигать
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[18:58:11] tilarids: блин, повторить не могу :)
[18:58:46] tilarids: сейчас я смог найти ревизию, к которой нужно мержиться, чтобы быть смерженным с основной веткой и запушиться в ремоут
[18:59:06] piranha: )
[18:59:16] piranha: tilarids: чувак, открой для себя тогда букмарки и перестань парицо
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[18:59:42] tilarids: на реальной же задаче у меня после большого количества мерджей все ревизии оказались замазанными f2
[18:59:53] tilarids: я вот так и залил, с кусками недореализованной f2 и выключенными тестами :(
[19:00:23] tilarids: piranha, если я начну пушить свои букмарки в репо, мои коллеги с ума посходят
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[19:00:35] piranha: tilarids: так не пушь букмарки :)
[19:00:43] piranha: букмарки пушатся только по требованию
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[19:01:05] tilarids: гм. это не гит :)
[19:01:49] tilarids: но rebaseif я обязательно попробую
[19:01:56] tilarids: это может быть манна небесная
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[19:02:33] tilarids: прощанье с 10-ками параллельных веток, которые все куда-то мержатся
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[19:03:09] piranha: tilarids: well, как это не гит?
[19:03:15] piranha: в гите то же самое, только анонимных нет
[19:03:22] piranha: а пушатся букмарки по требованию там тоже
[19:03:37] piranha: на самом деле найти нужную тебе ревизию должно быть несложно с ревсетами
[19:03:43] piranha: могу подумать в принципе, если хочешь )
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[19:05:14] tilarids: не надо. Я уже понял, что нужно было просто не мержить f2 с main и всех делов. Если бы я работал в гит, я бы именно так и сделал, смержился бы только в самом конце. А меркуриал мне после каждого пула настойчиво предлагает hg merge сделать :)
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[19:05:55] piranha: tilarids: но он не заставляет
[19:06:13] piranha: гит тебя после каждого пулла автоматом мержит
[19:06:18] piranha: откровенно-то говоря :)
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[19:07:24] tilarids: как бы меня в данном вопросе поведение гита никогда не раздражало. Гулять по истории в гите удобней, так что всегда можно вернуться
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[19:08:14] piranha: tilarids: чем удобней? А то я последний раз, как искал, где жопа, конвертнул репозиторий в хг и юзал hg serve, чтоб найти побыстрее
[19:08:50] tilarids: piranha, наличием qgit4 :) Я уже когда-то спрашивал, аналога для этой тулзы в hg так и не нашлось
[19:09:14] piranha: well, под макось есть замена
[19:09:23] piranha: но hg serve с головой, если с консолью не подружился
[19:09:37] piranha: щас с ревсетами я ваще из консоли не выхожу, хватает для чего угодно
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[19:09:51] piranha: а скрины qgit4 покажи?
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[19:11:34] piranha: а то я в инете шото не могу отыскать :(
[19:12:18] tilarids: hg serve потормознее будет. Да и поиска нет
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[19:13:25] piranha: угу
[19:13:30] piranha: http://www.sourcetreeapp.com/
[19:13:32] piranha: вот этот клëвый
[19:13:34] piranha: но платный )
[19:13:50] piranha: но как я уже сказал, я ничем кроме консоли не пользуюсь )
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[19:14:44] tilarids: а. я не пробовал, но мой коллега сказал, что он мало, чем отличается от tortoise
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[19:16:24] tilarids: по поводу скринов: сейчас найду хоть один неприватный репозиторий и покажу
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[19:24:42] tilarids: piranha, http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/7545/201012111917391280x800s.png
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[19:25:03] piranha: ага
[19:25:06] piranha: ну просто выглядит как выглядит
[19:25:18] piranha: какое-то время было несколько развивающихся под линух, а как щас - я хз
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[19:25:29] piranha: есть hgview (это не hg view), если он еще работает, то он ок
[19:25:37] piranha: есть cutehg, но он вроде заброшен, что ли
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[19:39:06] webninja: через 30 мин выложу первый опен сурс )
[19:39:16] webninja: кривой, косой но свой )
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[20:22:19] webninja: блин емакс
[20:22:23] webninja: нехорошо делает
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[20:22:34] webninja: хотелось бы буффер в риал тайме смотреть
[20:22:51] webninja: а то запустил и жду пока тесты отработают.
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[20:26:10] webninja: чето долго работает
[20:26:16] webninja: прервать никак нельзя?
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