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[00:02:00] deepwalker: piranha, воистинну, виная читать невозможно
[00:02:10] piranha: deepwalker: yep
[00:02:12] piranha: дикий ад
[00:02:17] deepwalker: тя столько мусора не выношу
[00:02:23] Zubchick is now online
[00:02:30] piranha: как минимум поэтому его код не должен юзаться )
[00:02:32] deepwalker: технические же вопросы, зачем вода
[00:02:37] piranha: код-то пишет он точно так же
[00:03:04] deepwalker: вот скоро армин перепишет весь stdlib
[00:03:12] deepwalker: и у нас будет арминопитон
[00:03:48] deepwalker: нет такого ощущения, что он на верном пути к этому?
[00:03:54] piranha: не-а
[00:03:54] deepwalker: уже всю джангу он переписал
[00:03:59] piranha: twiggy лучше, чем logbook
[00:04:02] Typhon: джанга не стдлиб :)
[00:04:10] Typhon: piranha, few points чем :)
[00:04:11] deepwalker: ну она такая пухлая
[00:04:18] deepwalker: шо сравнимо
[00:04:31] Typhon: олсо, в стдлиб более менее ок
[00:04:33] piranha: Typhon: оно более гибкое, логбук фактически просто импрувнутый логгинг
[00:05:05] Typhon: я пока логбук заюзал, надо бы глянуть на твигги плотнее
[00:05:17] piranha: http://blog.wearpants.org/lognametwiggyinfowhats-new-whats-next
[00:05:27] erraen is now online
[00:07:04] deepwalker: log.trace('error').warning('oh noes') все, ставлю
[00:07:09] deepwalker: моя мечта
[00:07:17] deepwalker: чтобы красиво трейс печатало
[00:07:24] Zubchick is now online
[00:08:01] piranha: хм, но logging.exception(e) тоже печатает :)
[00:08:04] piranha: http://lucumr.pocoo.org/2010/12/24/common-mistakes-as-web-developer/
[00:09:12] deepwalker: м, надо больше внимания уделить логгингу : )
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[12:05:55] gf: _lorien linux, не?
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[12:13:03] огыешсук: _lorien: xp не бывает, win7 угрёбище, linux наше всё
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[12:42:21] _lorien: красноглазые
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[12:44:02] Typhon: win7 клеви, только на нетбуке, наверное, небыстро работать будет
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[12:46:53] tilarids: _lorien, для некрасноглазия тебе доведется брать нетбук с конфигурацией макбука
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[12:48:16] _lorien: хочу девушке нетбук подарить, правда я не уверен, шо он ей нужен :D
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[12:48:54] _lorien: купил самсунговский, нравится мне у них корпус - белый, без глянца, щас ебусь - пытаюсь офис 2010 поставить варезный :)
[12:49:17] deepwalker: _lorien, нахух ей офис?
[12:49:26] _lorien: ворд
[12:49:28] deepwalker: поставь кодеки и браузер
[12:49:32] _lorien: она студентка на филфаке
[12:49:39] Typhon: опенофис ?
[12:49:40] deepwalker: филфаку ворд вреден
[12:49:44] _lorien: в пизду опенофис
[12:49:49] deepwalker: м
[12:49:56] deepwalker: соглашусь
[12:49:59] Typhon: мишок рапортовал, что линукс справляется с задачами студентки филфака (или лингвистики)
[12:50:03] deepwalker: уродский отстой
[12:50:03] Typhon: латех!!!111!!
[12:50:08] Typhon: ну либраофис
[12:50:13] deepwalker: тоже самое
[12:50:16] Typhon: GOOo :)
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[12:50:47] _lorien: Я не доверяю опенофису.
[12:50:59] _lorien: Думаю, он криво работает с док-файлами
[12:51:10] _lorien: или какое там у них ща расширение, я от жизни отстал чуток виндовой :)
[12:51:46] Typhon: http://www.i-rs.ru/O-kompanii/sobytiya/ODF-nacional-nyj-GOST.-Press-reliz
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[12:52:16] deepwalker: он и с odf криво работает
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[12:55:26] tilarids: нормально он работает с doc файлами, терпимо. Также, как и обычный офис
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[12:57:03] _lorien: не верю
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[12:57:27] Typhon: в 80% нормально, если в оригинальном не было какого-нибудь страшного говна
[12:57:38] Typhon: с docx даже ок работает
[12:57:43] _lorien: ну вот вопрос в 20%, особенно если приспичит :)
[12:58:10] _lorien: например нести какой-нить важный зачёт или как там у студентов эта вся фигня называется - а тут опаньки - опенофис глючит )
[12:58:22] Typhon: да не глючит он
[12:58:30] Typhon: от кривовато может отображать док.
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[12:58:35] Typhon: если там использовались ебнутые инструменты
[12:58:53] _lorien: ну раз он криво отображает, то после правки и сохраняет криво :)
[12:59:06] Typhon: сохранять то можно в норм формат
[12:59:08] Typhon: или в пдф
[12:59:13] deepwalker: Typhon, филологи
[12:59:17] _lorien: Это для фанатов опенсорса
[12:59:20] deepwalker: они по любому все там криво сделали
[12:59:29] _lorien: А для простых смертных надо открывать док и сохранять док )
[12:59:31] Typhon: deepwalker, хз, мне кажется, там наоборот просто текст должен быть
[12:59:33] deepwalker: у них отступы пробалми
[12:59:40] deepwalker: и энтерами
[12:59:53] deepwalker: ты шо!!! гуманиташки
[13:00:17] deepwalker: шучу : ) может они и умеют тексты то оформлять
[13:00:27] deepwalker: но вполне может вылезти фигня какая-нибудь
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[13:00:51] deepwalker: я в конторе помню всех хаманал своим ООо : ))
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[13:01:01] Typhon: я в том смысле, что таблиц сложных всяких нету, как в тех. текстах может быть
[13:01:10] deepwalker: секретарь нервничала, когда я из него официальные бумажки печатал
[13:01:18] Typhon: :-)
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[13:24:39] tilarids: _lorien, можно и в разных версиях ворда расхождения найти. Или такое наколбасить, что потом маленькое изменение - и всё поплыло. Созданные нормальными людьми документы открываются вполне нормально
[13:24:57] tilarids: и сохраняться должны тоже нормально, хотя я не смотрел, какая у них там логика работы с doc форматом
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[13:26:30] _lorien: 52.8% процента офиса скачалось
[13:26:34] _lorien: 3.2гб дистриб весит )
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[13:30:53] Typhon: oO
[13:30:57] Typhon: ебанулись совсем
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[13:33:52] deepwalker: google docs рулет
[13:34:03] deepwalker: а андроед
[13:34:16] deepwalker: и
[13:34:38] deepwalker: _lorien, а почему ты не купил своей подруге ipad?
[13:34:46] deepwalker: : )
[13:35:35] deepwalker: один айпал кругом просто
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[13:36:58] _lorien: а чо это? комп без клавы? нах он нужен?
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[13:38:46] Typhon: отдельная
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[13:54:09] огыешсук: /me начинает жалеть, что не купил айпадик когда жил в штатах, тут он раза в полтора дороже стоит, а андроидных альтернатив и вовсе нету
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[13:57:13] _lorien: дорогая, вот тебе компьютер, а клавиатуру на 8-е марта подарю
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[13:59:22] огыешсук: сам говоришь, что комп ей не то, чтобы нужен
[13:59:30] огыешсук: а айпад -- гламурное кисо
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[14:09:00] _lorien: Ну, например, ей на работе скучно, будет в комп глядеть :)
[14:09:15] _lorien: А ещё у неё дома комп и там usb даже не работает :-/
[14:09:24] Typhon: так ипад еще удобнее в этом смысле
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[14:10:07] _lorien: а чо там за ос?
[14:10:12] cutwater: ios ]
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[14:10:49] cutwater: _lorien: это немногоо увеличеный в рахмерах iPhone
[14:10:58] cutwater: как бы до полноценного компа не дотягивает
[14:11:12] cutwater: и полезность весьма сомнительна, но для девушки будет очень ня ^_^
[14:11:24] огыешсук: это сильно увеличенный в размерах айфон
[14:11:57] _lorien: ейху, офис скачался :o)
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[14:12:33] cutwater: огыешсук: ну с учетом того что там по даже самбе передачи файлов бида... то даже не знаю
[14:12:44] Typhon: книжки читает, кино показывает , интернет сёрфит -- полноценный комп
[14:12:57] _lorien: На нетбуки ставится window 7 Starter Edition, у неё есть различный ограничения. Одно из которых - нельзя менять картинку на рабочем столе o_O
[14:13:04] cutwater: Typhon: кино показывает... а вот кино показывать по сети и было бы ок
[14:13:21] cutwater: _lorien: ну а поставить полноценную..... Убунту например
[14:13:22] _lorien: ээ
[14:13:24] _lorien: там флеш есть?
[14:13:27] огыешсук: cutwater: а зачем нужна самба? Если нужно файлы кидать, то есть дропбокс.
[14:13:36] Typhon: windows7 меньше профешнл -- говно
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[14:13:43] cutwater: огыешсук: ололо. дропбокс умеет это делать локально?
[14:13:50] cutwater: да вы батенька совсем зажрались
[14:14:02] cutwater: как я фильм буду смотреть у себя дома по вайфаю?
[14:14:16] cutwater: желательно без перебрасывания его на устройство.
[14:14:22] огыешсук: cutwater: умеет, в смысле синкать внутрисетевые машинки внутрисетевым трафиком
[14:14:47] огыешсук: но на свой сервер всё же будет пытаться выгрузить тоже
[14:15:31] огыешсук: _lorien: с моим ноутбуком шел win7pro, пользоваться можно за ради игрушки позапускать, но вообще унылоге говно
[14:15:34] cutwater: да вот как бы проблема в том что есть файл-сервер с 5 ТБ видео. и когда надо что-нибудь посмотреть на таком паде... надо либо ждать пока оно перепишется либо еще что-нибудь...
[14:15:45] огыешсук: _lorien: s/ноутбуком/нетбуком
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[14:15:56] cutwater: для меня это стало одним из критичных аргументов против.
[14:16:06] _lorien: огыешсук: чем уныло?
[14:16:17] _lorien: Ну винда и винда.
[14:16:22] _lorien: Симпатичная такая
[14:16:29] Typhon: win7 клевая ^___^
[14:16:33] cutwater: э...
[14:16:41] огыешсук: cutwater: а на андроиде как смотреть? Я фильмы по scp копирую на телефон, потом смотрю, на айпаде наверное аналогично можно.
[14:16:49] Typhon: браузер есть, кино смотрит, pdf показывает, putty есть
[14:16:53] Typhon: все что нужно
[14:17:19] cutwater: putty говно. лучше нативного линуксового эмулятора терминала ничего нет
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[14:18:17] cutwater: огыешсук: ну в том то и дело что плохо когда у тебя не то что неполноценная ос, так даже обычные казалось бы банальные опрерации сделать нельзя. получить доступ к расшареным файлам из дефолт ос
[14:18:20] огыешсук: _lorien: да всем. Начиная от процесса загрузки на 15 минут "я щат тут апдейтов накачало, будут обновляться, а ты сиди -- соси лапу" и до процесса работы "я тут апдейт нашло и через 15 минут принудительно тебе комп перезагружать буду, если ты это сообщение заметить не успеешь" ну и окончание работы ага "я тут апдейтов накачало и буду щас их устанавливать, минут через двадцать отключусь, наверное".
[14:18:38] cutwater: огыешсук: я не поклонник винды, но настройки осилить не?
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[14:19:13] cutwater: пысы все не так. винда таки спрашивает, "хазяина я тут перезагружусь или тебе позже напомнить"
[14:19:25] огыешсук: cutwater: в смысле -- отказаться от апдейтов? чтобы любой кулхацкер поимел мой нетбучек и стёр мои игровые сейвы?
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[14:19:41] cutwater: в смысле качать не в автоматическом режиме
[14:19:44] cutwater: а по требованию
[14:20:04] cutwater: у меня винда говорит в трее тихо и незаметно "насяльника я тут апдейтов нашла, закачай как-нибудь"
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[14:20:26] огыешсук: cutwater: нифига, она говорит "я перезагружусь через 15 минут, если ты не заметишь это окно и не отменишь это безобразие" Я про семерку, это xp была относительно тактичной.
[14:20:37] cutwater: хм... у меня семерка
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[14:20:51] cutwater: говорит хочу перезагрузиться, напомнить через 15 минут?
[14:21:15] _lorien: да у меня тоже такая подстава была про 15 минут :)
[14:21:17] _lorien: в xp
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[14:22:40] cutwater: хотя эти уроды до сих пор не сделали многострочное окно для редактирования PATH
[14:23:34] огыешсук: в общем дикость это, мой debian на ноутбуке перезагружается раз в месяц, мой debian на сервере раз в три месяца и при этом сами себя обновляют когда могут, а когда не могут, то тихо-мирно присылают нотификацию мне на телефон (там nagios клиент стоит).
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[14:25:06] огыешсук: поправка, уже: s/раз в три месяца/раз в полгода
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[14:25:36] deepwalker: windows вообще странная штука - и не гламурная, для кисо, и не полноценная, для гиков
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[14:25:58] deepwalker: поля ввода у нее уже больше 10 лет убогое говно
[14:26:16] deepwalker: на современных экранах смотрится как издевательство
[14:26:30] deepwalker: вские там настройки, местами
[14:26:35] огыешсук: ну, игрушки они запускать позволяет, работать rdesktop`ом на рабочую машинку over vpn тоже умеет, а больше я для чего её пользовать брезгую
[14:27:02] Typhon: КРАСНОГЛАЗИКИ!!1!
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[14:28:10] огыешсук: ещё антивирусы там, говорят, нужны
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[14:29:50] огыешсук: главное меню "пуск" тормозит аж секунды три наверное, а то и дольше в первый раз (а там каждый раз первый, ибо выключать её постоянно надо или надоест требованиями о перезагрузке)
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[14:31:33] огыешсук: наглая система очень, бывало играешься себе в какой fallout 3, а вдруг окно с игрой сворачивается (а обратно его уже не развернуть, только прибить и запускать игру заново) и винда радостно рапортует что апдейтов накачало и будет щас их на меня ставить
[14:31:49] cutwater: :-D
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[14:32:27] Typhon: пуск всегд ок работает
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[14:32:32] Typhon: у тебя комп говно наверное
[14:32:35] Typhon: или венда перацкая!1!
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[14:34:32] огыешсук: не, у меня нетбук лучше всех и винда с ним шла самая самая, но винда любая суть наглое говно, а вы к ней просто приспособились, вылизали её во всех местах где можно, или просто обновления отключили и сейчас ваши ноутбуки рассылают спам по ЖЖ о новой книге лукьянёнка
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[14:36:06] _lorien: Повторите попытки активации. 2 прохода по 4 раза это ещё не край света.
o_O такое мне крякалка пишет
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[14:39:43] огыешсук: у меня с нетбуком какой то студенческий офис шел, я его снес сразу ибо ну нафиг только офиса мне не хватало
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[14:43:24] огыешсук: _lorien: а чего легальный офис не купишь? Он вроде всего с сотню баксов стоит. А так ты мало того, что преступник теперь, так ещё и девушку свою подставляешь.
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[14:44:52] огыешсук: майкрософт вроде и на офис апдейты постоянно качает, где гарантия что однажды чего антипиратское не скачается
[14:44:55] _lorien: мне похуй на легальность т.к. я чувствую безнаказанность
[14:45:20] огыешсук: s/майкрософт/винда
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[14:48:54] maxp: есть тут любители PyCharm?
[14:49:17] maxp: расскажите как варнинг отключить
[14:49:24] maxp: для неопределенной переменной?
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[15:23:43] cutwater: piranha: кстати вот скажи с т.ч. зрения логики, если у нас скажем есть application который не прописан в INSTALLED_APPS но есть в урлконфе, то было бы логично иметь эксепшн?
[15:23:59] piranha: хз даже
[15:24:01] cutwater: просто что мне не нравится - так это то что урлы совершенно отвязаны от настроек проекта
[15:24:04] piranha: ага
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[15:32:58] deepwalker: cutwater, в каком плане отвязаны?
[15:33:37] cutwater: deepwalker: в том плане что у тебя если есть урлы в конфиге что джанге что сварге плевать на наличие INSTALLED_APPS
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[15:33:43] cutwater: это ящетаю несколько нелогично.
[15:34:10] deepwalker: а по-моему вполне
[15:34:14] cutwater: /me щас пырится на рельсы. в очередной раз
[15:34:36] deepwalker: хотя
[15:34:57] deepwalker: просто если апа лежит в АППС, значит быдет вызван ее инит
[15:34:58] cutwater: ну по-хорошему должен быть Exception или Warning аля несуществующий урл
[15:35:10] piranha: та ну нах
[15:35:15] cutwater: но в реализации это геморно, очевидно поэтому решили сделать так
[15:35:20] piranha: ты ж можешь иметь урлы, которые не привязан к аппе
[15:35:24] piranha: *не привязаны
[15:35:29] piranha: это ты шото странное думаешь
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[15:35:46] deepwalker: ну да, АППС это перечисление для магии
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[15:35:58] deepwalker: вызвать иниты, собрать модели, собрать админку
[15:36:37] cutwater: deepwalker: ну представим себе что если мы не вызвали инит а запрос пошел и скажем вылез во вьюхе
[15:37:18] cutwater: м.б. я чего не понимаю, но как бэ будет креш совершенно не в том месте.
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[15:37:40] cutwater: ведь по идее чтобы апп использовать она должна быть корректно инициализирована. а так мы допускаем ее использование без инициализации. ну как-то так.
[15:37:53] deepwalker: усложняешь
[15:37:54] cutwater: ладно это все мысли в сторону. просто меня интересуют сейчас именно концепции
[15:38:27] cutwater: deepwalker: привычка есть такая плохая. надо избавляться.
[15:38:31] deepwalker: подумай лучше не так - урлы отставим, некорректен вызов вьюхи, без апы
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[15:38:53] deepwalker: ну есть такое, когда вьюха требует инициализации
[15:39:06] deepwalker: вот здесь уже можно какую-то проверку сделать
[15:39:34] deepwalker: это если уж очень хочется чего-нибудь проверить :)
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[15:49:16] cutwater: кстати внезапно освежил познания во фласке. там наконец-то появились модули
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[15:50:36] cutwater: точней по-моему они там и были но не в том виде в котором я их вижу сейчас
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[16:17:25] piranha: эх
[16:17:31] piranha: handlersocket невозможен, похоже, в постгресе
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[16:18:23] deepwalker: а как там сейчас с ним? цветет?
[16:18:27] deepwalker: я слышал перкона всторила
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[16:19:56] piranha: ну, да, и пахнет
[16:20:07] piranha: я надеюсь, что мы у себя сможем дропнуть большую часть мемкеша
[16:20:18] piranha: потому что он юзается по-серьëзному у нас и это паршиво (
[16:20:23] piranha: не как кеш, а как хранилище, бля
[16:20:52] deepwalker: заменишь на мускуль?
[16:21:14] deepwalker: я тут равезрнул свою voip для городского прова, подкрутил mysql, он так летает оказывается
[16:21:31] deepwalker: ну там памяти ему побольше дал и тп
[16:21:41] deepwalker: по хавтушке ессно : )
[16:21:54] piranha: deepwalker: ну мы мускуль юзаем всë равно, причëм перкону
[16:22:00] piranha: так что хендлерсокет - это ок будет
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[16:22:46] deepwalker: ну да, можно еще обернуть будет его поприкольнее
[16:22:54] deepwalker: к орму чего-нибудь подмешать
[16:23:15] piranha: ага
[16:23:16] deepwalker: fast_select типа : )
[16:23:22] piranha: =)
[16:23:39] piranha: ага, к алхимии присобачить, если делаешь .get() без джойнов, то запрос идëт через хендлерсокет
[16:23:45] piranha: гг, крутая тема будет! ;)
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[16:24:59] deepwalker: у вас алхимия?
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[16:36:26] cutwater: мда... я фигею с моей работы и наших зарплат. надо срочно менять место работы =)
[16:36:57] piranha: deepwalker: yep
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[16:37:17] deepwalker: офигенно
[16:37:30] deepwalker: sqla это же невероятно гибкая штука
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[16:38:14] cutwater: какой-то питонист-неудачник работая на пол ставки получает совсем немного меньше чем С++-ник работая фултайм.... куда катится этот мир
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[16:38:55] piranha: deepwalker: проблема в долбоëбах :)
[16:39:01] cutwater: хм.. очевидно надо на собеседованиях брать планку выше хотя бы на 25-30% от желаемой суммы. =)
[16:39:08] piranha: cutwater: ты ж вроде в ембеде работаешь?
[16:39:12] cutwater: э.. нет
[16:39:18] piranha: да, я вот как-то так сделал, и мне дали то, что я попросил
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[16:39:22] piranha: я офигел, но был доволен )
[16:39:25] cutwater: =)
[16:39:41] cutwater: piranha: позавчера был на собеседовании на питон девелопера
[16:39:57] piranha: и шо?
[16:40:02] piranha: решились?
[16:40:03] piranha: или думают?
[16:40:09] cutwater: ну вообще еще думают.
[16:40:25] piranha: но были довольны?
[16:40:32] cutwater: вообще я их сразу предупреждал сначала что пока место работы менять не собираюсь (в силу сраного универа и т.п.)
[16:40:38] piranha: тю, почему?
[16:40:45] piranha: в смысле, чем универ мешает бросить работу?
[16:40:51] cutwater: но они таки пригласили
[16:41:03] cutwater: мол ничего не обязывает, познакомиться себя показать на будущее
[16:41:07] piranha: :)
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[16:41:24] cutwater: piranha: ну дело в том что работа находится в соседнем здании с универом, дает бонусы по свободному графику работы
[16:41:32] deepwalker: cutwater, а что за питонист неудачник?
[16:41:35] piranha: ааа
[16:41:40] cutwater: deepwalker: да есть один знакомый =)
[16:41:41] piranha: cutwater: так потому и платят так!
[16:41:44] piranha: за студентов потому что
[16:41:46] cutwater: piranha: ну да =)
[16:41:53] piranha: ну так а шо ж ты тогда хочешь? ;)
[16:42:12] cutwater: не вообще платят сравнительно неплохо
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[16:42:22] cutwater: если отпахать на них года 3-4 и быть синьером
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[16:42:44] piranha: 3-4 года лол
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[16:42:51] piranha: у меня с этим проблемы
[16:42:55] piranha: :(
[16:43:04] cutwater: piranha: ? не задерживаешься на фирме больше года?
[16:43:46] piranha: да, максимум в майдеко был - год и три месяца
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[16:44:10] cutwater: piranha: еще осложняет то что у них офис находится черти где
[16:44:15] piranha: это плохо
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[16:44:23] piranha: транспорт душу выбивает
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[16:44:46] cutwater: точней в центре но весьма неудачно
[16:45:14] cutwater: прямых маршруток нет, рядом остановок нет.
[16:45:48] piranha: надо машину покупать, в общем
[16:45:49] piranha: =)))
[16:45:51] piranha: гагага
[16:45:56] cutwater: а так я обошел здание и в универе. ну благо уже последний курс, сессия, в феврале релиз а дальше думать.
[16:46:01] piranha: у вас там кстати как, пробки ж в наличии? :)
[16:46:01] cutwater: надо таки да =)
[16:46:13] cutwater: piranha: бывают но не очень часто
[16:46:39] cutwater: проложили на Сумской через Парк Горького дорогу же, вроде разгрузили движение
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[16:47:42] piranha: ничо не понял, но мне и не надо ;)
[16:47:43] cutwater: piranha: кстати занимается эта фирма облачными технологиями
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[16:47:50] piranha: >>> $('#2.1')
jQuery()
>>> document.getElementById('2.1')
<div id="2.1" class="line">

[16:47:53] piranha: как такое может быть?
[16:48:25] cutwater: $('#2.1')[0] ?
[16:48:30] cutwater: или оно вообще ничего не вернуло?
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[16:49:18] piranha: тупо пусто, да
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[16:49:37] cutwater: ща сек
[16:49:54] cutwater: есть мнение что . воспринимается как wildcard
[16:50:08] cutwater: так и есть
[16:50:13] cutwater: оно ищет #2 и class 1
[16:50:30] piranha: аааа
[16:50:32] piranha: точно
[16:50:36] piranha: и шо ж делать...
[16:50:45] cutwater: экранировать?
[16:50:45] piranha: гхм
[16:50:50] piranha: \ не помогает
[16:50:56] cutwater: \\ ?
[16:51:02] piranha: ладно, сделаю .getElementById
[16:51:14] cutwater: ты это попробуй \\ ?
[16:51:19] piranha: точно, работает
[16:51:23] piranha: но это ж убожество )
[16:51:23] cutwater: =)
[16:51:32] cutwater: piranha: ну а ты не делай id содержащий точки
[16:51:37] cutwater: =)
[16:52:01] piranha: а так хотелось
[16:52:04] piranha: файл.строка
[16:52:32] piranha: не, надо с точкой
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[16:52:49] cutwater: да я знаю, у меня щас тоже беда с идентификаторами
[16:52:56] cutwater: надо делать аля скроллинг на #position
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[16:53:27] cutwater: а теперь добавились еще и табы, соответственно надо либо под каждый таб делать уникальный id либо джаваскриптом скроллить
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[16:55:16] cutwater: есть информация, когда будет wsgi под python 3.x реализован?
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[17:36:05] Zubchick: привет, не подскажете как в джанге сделать update() одного поля в конкретном объекте модели, а не в QuerySet
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[17:36:19] Zubchick: или там тока save()
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[17:44:26] deepwalker: не понял
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[17:44:43] deepwalker: user.name = 'удак', user.save()
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[17:44:49] deepwalker: в чем проблема?
[17:45:54] deepwalker: Zubchick,
[17:45:56] deepwalker: пеленг
[17:46:05] Zubchick: что?)
[17:46:14] deepwalker: ну вопрос уточни
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[17:46:18] deepwalker: чего не хватает
[17:46:27] Zubchick: разве джанга проапдетит не все поля?
[17:46:37] Zubchick: когда делаешь save()
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[17:47:05] Typhon: ну посмотри лог базы ;-)
[17:47:20] Typhon: или может метод даже есть какой, который sql покажет
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[17:58:33] cutwater: piranha: http://code.google.com/p/sqlalchemy-validations/ вот мне любопытно как вообще работают такие валидаторы? как их можно реализовать. когда-то пытался в исходники вникать но как-то не пошло
[17:58:36] cutwater: я о тех которые validates_format_of
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[17:59:32] piranha: ненависть
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[17:59:34] piranha: это inspect
[17:59:41] cutwater: хм...
[17:59:47] piranha: надо бы в амальгаму их запихать
[17:59:52] piranha: но без validates_format_of бля
[17:59:55] piranha: тупо уродство
[18:00:00] cutwater: ну да понимаю
[18:00:05] cutwater: Ruby Style не Ъ
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[18:01:19] piranha: в руби другая ситуация
[18:01:24] cutwater: piranha: ?
[18:01:31] piranha: там тело определения класса исполняется и там это прямое решение
[18:01:34] piranha: а в питоне - не исполняется
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[18:02:06] cutwater: хм ну там по-моему ф-ция может получить контекст в котором она выполняется как-то так если память не изменяет
[18:02:15] cutwater: piranha: а тут как реализовано?
[18:02:17] piranha: в смысле если ты в руби определяешь класс

class Something
print self
end
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[18:02:26] piranha: то напечатается репр класса
[18:02:30] piranha: а в питоне будет глюк
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[18:02:48] piranha: и validates_name_of в питоне через inspect.get_frame сделано
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[18:02:58] cutwater: хм ясно
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[18:03:10] piranha: а в руби просто через

class Something
def self.validates_name_of(args)
end
end
[18:03:23] piranha: т.е. ты определяешь грубо говоря функцию не на классе, а на его метаклассе
[18:03:34] piranha: если говорить почти в терминах питона
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[18:04:02] piranha: когда ты там так на селфе определил, то еë потом можно вызвать
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[18:04:12] piranha: ну в общем ты понял, в руби просто иначе работает всë
[18:04:18] cutwater: угу
[18:04:19] piranha: там метаклассы прямо внутри классов
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[18:14:51] Zubchick: апдейтит все поля
[18:15:00] Zubchick: как я и говорил :)
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[21:17:05] deepwalker: Twiggy requires Python 2.7 or greater
[21:17:07] deepwalker: а нафига?
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[21:43:51] deepwalker: -include("../deps/rabbitmq-erlang-client/include/amqp_client.hrl"). фе, полные пути?
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[21:45:02] Sevenov: deepwalker, если ты скажешь erl'у путь до каждой либы, тогда просто, например, include/ampq_client.hrl.
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[21:45:56] deepwalker: хм, понятненька
[21:46:05] deepwalker: ну так уже можно жить
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[21:47:54] Sevenov: Это, имхо, даже плюс. Нет засранного глобального path'а, как у пейтона, например :)
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[21:51:40] deepwalker: мде?
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[21:51:50] deepwalker: а есть пакетный менеджер?
[21:52:18] Sevenov: epm или как-то так.
[21:52:50] Sevenov: ну многие предпочитают git submodule, похоже.
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[21:53:55] cutwater: piranha: кстати в Elixir они как-то sys._getframe использовали
[21:54:01] cutwater: наличия inspect не вижу
[21:54:10] piranha: cutwater: один хрен
[21:54:11] deepwalker: а какая разница? : )
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[21:54:25] cutwater: хм.. ну мне и интересно какая разница =)
[21:54:26] deepwalker: то же самое и в zope.interface
[21:54:27] piranha: epic-pidarous-ness
[21:54:34] Sevenov: indpect няшная обёрточка же.
[21:54:48] Sevenov: piranha, sosnooley?
[21:54:53] cutwater: piranha: кстати на этом собеседовании товарищ мне задал вопрос гхм... самый первый что-то типа
[21:55:03] piranha: Sevenov: те, кто еë юзают в публичных либах, когда это не необходимо - пускай обернут себе жопу
[21:55:13] cutwater: a.b как происходит поиск свойства b в python
[21:55:15] piranha: Sevenov: Zisys Mednes!
[21:55:22] cutwater: piranha: юзают _getframe или inspect ?
[21:55:23] Sevenov: piranha, inspect?
[21:55:29] piranha: cutwater: getattr, getattribute?
[21:55:33] piranha: Sevenov: yes
[21:55:39] Sevenov: piranha, а чо не нравится?
[21:55:41] cutwater: piranha: ну что-то типа того
[21:55:51] piranha: Sevenov: ээ… ты серьëзно типа?
[21:55:52] Typhon: __mro__
[21:55:53] cutwater: просто что меня смутило... мы поговорили за __dict__
[21:55:55] piranha: или так просто?
[21:55:56] Sevenov: piranha, дыа.
[21:56:03] piranha: та ну, не гони
[21:56:15] Sevenov: piranha, не, ну серьезно. Я чота не в теме, похоже.
[21:56:17] piranha: cutwater: если просто спросить "как происходит поиск" - это сильно широкий вопрос
[21:56:33] Sevenov: Мне, конечно, в 99.9999% inspect не нужен
[21:56:35] piranha: Sevenov: ну блять, просто себе либа, а ты копаешься у интерпретатора во внутренностях ни для чего по сути дела
[21:56:37] Sevenov: но, эээ
[21:56:41] piranha: кроме того, это медленно
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[21:56:47] cutwater: piranha: кстати __mro__ играеть роль в поиске имени?
[21:56:48] piranha: и убого
[21:56:52] piranha: cutwater: имени?
[21:56:57] cutwater: *свойства
[21:57:00] piranha: конечно
[21:57:01] Typhon: играет
[21:57:02] Sevenov: > просто себе либа, а ты копаешься у интерпретатора во внутренностях ни для чего по сути дела

Янихуянепонел.
[21:57:06] Typhon: если у текущего нету такого
[21:57:11] Typhon: ищутся у "родителей"
[21:57:20] Typhon: в том порядке, в каком представлены в mro
[21:57:23] cutwater: Typhon: значит я таки ответил правильно....
[21:57:29] Typhon: там есть фишечка с множественным наследованием, например
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[21:57:35] piranha: Sevenov: назачем в ORM'е использовать инспект для декларации свойств, когда ты это можешь сделать более прямыми методами?
[21:57:38] cutwater: хотя гхм до последнего я был уверен в том что я говорю полный бред гхм
[21:57:48] cutwater: Typhon: где можно об этом более комплексно почитать
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[21:57:59] cutwater: а с множественным наследованием попадалсь мне кажется на хабре статья.
[21:58:02] Sevenov: piranha, а орм тут причем?
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[21:58:22] piranha: Sevenov: Elixir
[21:58:22] cutwater: piranha: хм... какими более прямыми?
[21:58:25] Typhon: в рассылке было. на вики что-то. ну и в доках, по-моему. сейчас поищу
[21:58:28] piranha: cutwater: метаклассы?
[21:58:48] Sevenov: piranha, а, вы всё про тот магический кусок говна?
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[21:59:03] cutwater: piranha: э... ну с учетом того что помнишь мы уже кажется сталкивались с проблемой, что допустим нельзя вытащить порядок объявления свойств и т.п.
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[21:59:30] piranha: Sevenov: ну да, а чо ты сопротивляешься - я не понял =)
[21:59:40] deepwalker: cutwater, порядок в списке неплохо сохраняется
[21:59:48] Sevenov: piranha, я просто не сначала :)
[22:00:03] piranha: deepwalker: ну, откровенно говоря, в метакласс не список приезжает… :)
[22:00:04] Sevenov: Просто мне показалось, что мнение о inspect было слишком однобоким.
[22:00:10] deepwalker: хочется порядка, забить на декларативность, и написать руками
[22:00:10] piranha: нихуану
[22:00:31] cutwater: так главный вопрос inspect нужен или не нужен
[22:00:34] piranha: Sevenov: когда он нужен - это очевидно
[22:00:36] piranha: нужен
[22:00:43] piranha: но не для эликсиров
[22:00:52] deepwalker: piranha, я про то и говорю : ) если в джанге поля декларативненько объявили, то это ж не значит, что кортеж или список так уж уродливы
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[22:01:46] Typhon: cutwater, http://www.python.org/doc/newstyle/
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[22:01:53] cutwater: Typhon: ок гратс
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[22:02:19] deepwalker: cutwater, про дескрипторы там глянь
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[22:02:58] piranha: deepwalker: та ну, декларативненько приятнее :)
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[22:03:16] deepwalker: а давайте напишем новый язык
[22:03:25] deepwalker: : )
[22:03:31] Sevenov: Дакларативность? XML!
[22:03:34] Sevenov: ZCML!
[22:03:35] cutwater: ну так как декларативненько то если без внутреннего счетчика или инспекта. метаклассы не все позволяют
[22:03:36] deepwalker: фреймворк же сделали, теперь надо язык
[22:03:38] cutwater: Sevenov: охщи
[22:03:39] Sevenov: ПИШЕМ САЙТЫ НА XML!11
[22:03:49] cutwater: repoze.bfg
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[22:03:56] Sevenov: ну это само собой, да
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[22:04:20] cutwater: /me тут пока фапнул на Flask и решил написать свой с блекджеком и шлюхами.
[22:04:28] deepwalker: ох шит : )
[22:04:37] deepwalker: YAF
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[22:04:51] deepwalker: cutwater, придумал название?
[22:04:53] cutwater: deepwalker: не нуачо. фласк меня порадовал. они кстати сделали нормально модули
[22:05:00] cutwater: deepwalker: да к черту название пока.
[22:05:21] deepwalker: название это главное, как говорил известный капитан
[22:05:25] cutwater: я щас думаю как бы э... сделать возможность а) полностью инициализировать руками.
[22:05:29] cutwater: как в репозе
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[22:05:48] cutwater: и просто управлять через manage.py и возможно в инициализаторе гхм все сделать ладно пофиг
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[22:06:03] Sevenov: flask + bottle - blat
[22:06:08] cutwater: омг
[22:06:08] Sevenov: blood
[22:06:12] Sevenov: blask
[22:06:17] Sevenov: blyadsk
[22:06:19] Sevenov: во
[22:06:26] cutwater: чтобы никто не догадался
[22:06:26] deepwalker: cutwater, ну я лучше в сварге впилю, все что мне надо : )
[22:06:27] Sevenov: название в стиле _lorien
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[22:06:48] deepwalker: очередной проектик упадет если, будет еще возможность сваргу попилить
[22:06:56] Typhon: аналога rfc 2100 для проектов нету?
[22:07:00] Typhon: !ЗКЩОТФЬУ
[22:07:04] deepwalker: беда, что проектики на джанге в основном
[22:07:04] Typhon: !projname
[22:07:20] Typhon: permagravel
[22:07:28] cutwater: :-D
[22:07:41] piranha: spermagra
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[22:08:52] Sevenov: !projname
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[22:08:56] Sevenov: !projname
[22:09:01] Sevenov: !projname
[22:09:08] Sevenov: silent_bob, да ты упоролся.
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[22:09:21] Sevenov: таки да, упоролся.
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[22:10:39] deepwalker: жесть какая-то с зависимостями в эрланге
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[22:11:54] piranha: deepwalker: а нафига тебе ерланг?
[22:12:06] Sevenov: piranha, да, пусть юзает мёртвый хацкиль!
[22:12:17] deepwalker: да ну по архитектуре он же хорош
[22:12:21] deepwalker: получше gevent
[22:12:49] deepwalker: меня просто напрягает в этих асинхронных фремйорках, что они однопроцессные
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[22:13:02] deepwalker: а в эрланге сказка, в описаниях : )
[22:13:03] Typhon: запустил n процессов и всё ^_^
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[22:13:23] deepwalker: угу, настрой костылей для запуска n процессов
[22:13:26] Typhon: они smp недавно прикрутили, не?
[22:14:05] deepwalker: давно или нет, но он есть
[22:14:09] piranha: deepwalker: теперь го крутой!
[22:14:16] deepwalker: го го го : )
[22:14:17] piranha: горутины какие-то
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[22:14:26] piranha: роджер зет
[22:14:47] piranha: как прибить футер к низу страницы?
[22:14:57] Typhon: bottom:0
[22:14:59] piranha: в смысле есть тупое решение какое нить без дикого изврата?
[22:15:03] piranha: эээ
[22:15:03] Typhon: и пусть все кто не поддерживает -- сосут
[22:15:08] Typhon: ну так как-то так
[22:15:19] piranha: ))))
[22:15:21] piranha: та ну
[22:15:27] piranha: не смешноъ
[22:15:52] Typhon: почему?
[22:15:54] Typhon: работает же
[22:15:57] piranha: где?
[22:16:14] Sevenov: piranha,

position: absolute;
top: 100%;
left: 0;
height: N;
margin-top: -N;
[22:16:20] Typhon: ну в этих, браузерах
[22:16:31] piranha: Sevenov: good
[22:16:38] Typhon: хотя вообще. футер не нужен ^_^
[22:16:41] deepwalker: а в го разве также, как эрланге, все ядра поедаются?
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[22:17:08] piranha: deepwalker: было бы неплохо узнать :)
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[22:18:12] Sevenov: а у го есть вм, легковесные изолированные процессы, смп и т.п.?
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[22:18:37] Typhon: судя по поиску (site:golang.org) -- нихуяшеньки нету ^_^
[22:19:04] Sevenov: дыа
[22:19:13] Sevenov: => закапывайте.
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[22:19:36] wiz: есть же
[22:20:51] deepwalker: горутины есть, про вм - хз
[22:20:57] deepwalker: wiz, ну ка расскажи нам : )
[22:21:01] deepwalker: раз ты в теме
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[22:23:22] Typhon: что у него с gc, кстати?
[22:23:37] piranha: mark-and-sweep
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[22:24:42] Sevenov: Потсоны, вопрос по теме внезапно возник.
[22:24:46] Sevenov: Если бы в немецких школах 19–го века не преподавали рисование, то какая еда была бы сейчас наиболее популярна?
[22:24:57] piranha: тушеная капуста
[22:24:59] Typhon: фалафель
[22:25:49] piranha: чорд
[22:25:55] piranha: гитхаб при смерти :(
[22:26:12] Sevenov: piranha, чота да
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[22:26:24] piranha: и это как раз када я вознамерился стырить цсса...
[22:26:41] Sevenov: piranha, :3
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[22:26:50] piranha: сцуканы!
[22:26:53] Sevenov: они с битбакетом собраны через libtelepathy
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[22:33:34] piranha: дохлохаб :(
[22:33:49] piranha: ааа, заработал
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[23:24:26] Sevenov: Гм. http://d3uwin5q170wpc.cloudfront.net/photo/61250_460.jpg
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[23:30:34] gigimon: ночи :) и с наступающим
[23:31:17] gigimon: никто не в курсе модуля к джанге для работы с твиттером? авторизация, работа с апи?
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[23:31:26] gigimon: аторизация
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[23:48:35] gf: !g django code.google twitter
[23:48:57] gf: !g django github twitter
[23:49:11] gf: не то.. :)
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[23:51:02] gf: gigimon первая ссылка неплохая..
[23:51:49] gigimon: оно просто 2008 год последнее
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[23:52:05] gigimon: а так, все что нашел год у де не того и предлагает только авторизацию...
[23:52:10] gigimon: подозреваю надо пилить
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[23:53:13] gf: да, пилите, она золотая! :)
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[23:53:35] gigimon: и все громоздкое ккакое-то :( возьму наверно python-oauthи прикручу все
[23:54:14] gf: gigimon не забудьте оформить на github'е.. :)
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[23:54:41] gigimon: ну если что-то запилю, то обязательно)
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[23:55:54] gf: gigimon это: https://github.com/simplegeo/python-oauth2?
[23:56:17] gigimon: угу
[23:56:45] wiz is now xa
[23:56:50] Zubchick is now online
[23:56:54] gigimon: его и буду брать
[23:57:47] gf: gigimon а зачем вам твиттер? я до сих пор не могу понять как можно выразить мысль в 140 символов? (или сколько там максимум)
[23:57:57] gf: разве только очень маленькую..
[23:58:05] dan.samara is now dnd
[23:58:10] gf: прямо таки малепусенькую..
[23:58:23] erraen is now online
[23:58:32] Typhon: путин - пидорас, например, вполне себе меньше 140 ^_^
[23:58:42] gf: и я не могу понять чего так все помешались на твиттере?
[23:58:58] gigimon: gf: хочу прикрутить авторизацию и постинг в него
[23:59:00] gigimon: моднол, хули
[23:59:03] gf: Typhon вы о его росте? :)
[23:59:28] alecs is now away
[23:59:39] gigimon: твитер - помойка ссылок)