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[00:00:51] dotcomdotru: Ну дык вот я такой красывый печатать нормальный пост мне лень, а сообщ "пожрал. вкусно." можно оставить
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[00:01:55] gigimon: дада
[00:02:00] gf: dotcomdotru у а что еще можно добавить к этому: "пожрал. вкусно.".. разве что только отрыгнуть.. видимо все так и делают.. в твиттер.. :)
[00:02:04] dotcomdotru: Плюс твиттер -- одно из немногих мест где пользователи маленьких неудобных телефончиков не смотрятся как создатели контента более убого, чем люди за ББ
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[00:03:14] dotcomdotru: за "большим братом", за нормальным компом
[00:03:25] gf: ну и сообщение о том, что кто-то там вкусно пожрал, вряд ли содержит в себе какуюнить ценность для потомков..
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[00:05:13] dotcomdotru: Вместе с тем очень удобно для размещения каждые полчаса сообщений всяческими (полу)знаменитостями, наверное.
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[00:07:25] dotcomdotru: ...но есть и исключения, конечно. Я иногда читаю ленту ведущих радиот.
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[00:15:47] Sevenov: Кто впустил потерянных для общества в мою няншоконфу?
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[00:16:32] gigimon: он знатный пользователь твиттера
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[01:26:28] pi11: Привет всем. Что-то я совсем туплю, кто может свежим взглядом глянуть - http://dumpz.org/25812/
[01:27:52] bobry: pi11: точку надо писать вот так \.
[01:28:02] bobry: если ты хочешь точку а не любой символ
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[01:28:47] gf: регексы такие регексы..
[01:29:37] gf: но когда начинаешь привыкать, то ниче.. начинает нравится.. :)
[01:29:46] pi11: bobry: спасибо, гоню совсем.
[01:29:50] gf: иногда я люблю магию.. :)
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[01:31:08] gf: блин, у меня одного dumpz.org не работает?
[01:31:13] bobry: да
[01:31:38] pi11: уже тысячи этих регекспов написал, а иногда на каком нибудь элементарном начинаю тупить.
[01:31:48] bobry: бывает :)
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[02:08:56] hzkto1: здраствуйте, подскажите есть ли какие нибудь решения для разрешения кроссимпорта ?
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[08:20:45] _lorien: что, опять? o_O
[08:20:49] _lorien: gf, у дампза ip сменился, проверь свой DNS кэш
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[10:26:58] _lorien: не, интерфейс в win7 мне значительно больше нравится, я про explorer - появилось много всяких удобных штучек-дрючек, а раньше иначе как дубовым его интерфейс называть было неьзя
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[10:27:43] bobry: _lorien: win7?
[10:27:51] _lorien: ye
[10:27:57] _lorien: * ну
[10:27:57] bobry: неожидал :)
[10:28:00] bobry: я думал ты линуксойд
[10:28:13] _lorien: да я не для себя комп настраиваю
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[10:30:45] _lorien: решил поставить все необходимые проги, с удивлением понял, что и не так уж и много: офис, браузер, видеоплеер, архиватор, прога для эмулирования виртдисков ну аська/музплеер (не знаю какие нужны именно проги)
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[10:31:24] _lorien: адоберидер и скайп там уже стояли вместе с родной виндой... брэндмауэр в ней тоже есть, антивирь поставил бесплатный microsoft essentials
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[10:51:49] wiz: vlc, µtorrent
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[10:52:59] _lorien: ага, их и поставил
[10:53:02] _lorien: про торренты забыл сказать
[10:53:29] _lorien: а в vlc вроде кодеки свои, так что не надо засирать систему всякими klite codec pack
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[10:56:00] _lorien: Вообще всё это добро бесплатное, кроме самой винды и офиса :)
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[10:58:12] _lorien: ещё такая тенденция, в трёх прогах наткнулся при установке на яндексбар, который хотел в браузер интегрироватья, видно шо яндекс работает в этом направлении
[10:58:25] _lorien: mtorrent, aimp и daemontools кажется хотели его поставить
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[11:01:54] огыешсук: кто-то правда пользуется всеми этими барами?
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[11:02:13] огыешсук: /me и обычные бары все, что можно отключил, нефиг попусту экранное место тратить
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[11:03:09] _lorien: у кучи пользователей они висят тупо, пользователи не знают, что это, но ничего с ними не делают
[11:03:59] _lorien: я такое видел например у бывшей подружку, она с компами несколько лет была знакома, но всё равно у неё в браузере всякий bar-хлам висел, занесённый во время многочисленных установок различных прожек
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[11:05:21] _lorien: винда юзверя, который ничего не понимает - это душераздирающее зрелище :)) набор всяких баров, значков в трее, полный хаос. Пользователю оно как бы и не нужно, просто так случилось, что оно всё попало к нему на комп.
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[11:09:01] tilarids: дело в аккуратности, а не в понимании
[11:09:13] _lorien: Кто-нить знает как скачать плейлист вконтакте? Я понимаю, шо можно расковырять html и составить список ссылок, но может чё-то готовое уже есть?
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[11:10:53] _lorien: А мне кажется, что для просто юзверя все эти программы пугающая неопознанная среда, может быть даже враждебная. Он там вообще ничего не понимает, да и не очень ему хочется. И программист, который много лет работает с байтами, просто не в силах понять обычного пользователя, влезть в его шкуру.
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[11:12:07] _lorien: Все потуги программистов понять простых пользователей будут выглядеть как китайские литературные "шедевры" в инструкциях эксплуатации и метках на продуктах.
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[11:13:10] _lorien: А если взять в расчёт возраст - чем старше человек, тем меньше ему интересно разбираться во всякой херне - это из личных наблюдений за другими и за собой в частности :)
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[11:21:17] _lorien: sitelutions.com суки, на всех серверах проставили новый ип, а на ns1.* почему-то старый остался
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[11:21:26] _lorien: у них бесплатный dns-сервис
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[11:29:55] огыешсук: /me имеет бесплатный dns от регистратора
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[12:10:27] _lorien: ээ, а как в пидгине управлять юзверями? не могу razum2um дать голос
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[12:14:43] piranha: !voice razum2um
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[12:14:53] piranha: leverage magic pony!
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[12:19:29] _lorien: it was smart
[12:19:43] _lorien: !voice the-devil-from-the-hell
[12:19:57] _lorien: oh, no, fucking restrictions
[12:20:14] _lorien: !voice silent_bob
[12:20:23] _lorien: !voice _lorien
[12:21:19] _lorien: блин, у вконтакта с некоторых серверов файлы быстро качаются, а с некоторых медленно )
[12:21:44] _lorien: наверное медленно с тех, куда все обращаются и поэтому канал забивается
[12:22:19] razum2um: значит вопрос про map и подобные конструкции. задача: есть лист функций и генератор аргументов. аргументы пропускаются по порядку через все функции. некоторые функции быстрые некоторые оч долгие. вопрос: в реалтайме узнавать время прохода 1 взятой ф-и над аргументом и если оно больше чем среднее время вып. одной - разбиваться на потоки. т.е фишка в том, что если б агрументы были списком - я б делил его пополам. но аргументы генератор. как быть?
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[12:23:15] razum2um: значит вопрос про map и подобные конструкции. задача: есть лист функций и генератор аргументов. аргументы пропускаются по порядку через все функции. некоторые функции быстрые некоторые оч долгие. вопрос: в реалтайме узнавать время прохода 1 взятой ф-и над аргументом и если оно больше чем среднее время вып. одной - разбиваться на потоки. т.е фишка в том, что если б агрументы были списком - я б делил его пополам. но аргументы генератор. как быть?
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[12:27:38] bobry: razum2um: как применяются функции из списка? [f, g] --> f(g(x))
[12:27:47] razum2um: да
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[12:28:28] bobry: как ты тогда собираешься это параллелить?
[12:29:17] razum2um: параллелить надо не порядок а только g(x) где х генератор если проход g() над ожним агрументом оч долгий
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[12:30:27] bobry: чета как то слишком сложно
[12:30:31] bobry: оно действительно так тебе надо?
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[12:30:55] bobry: может проще сделать все на callbackах?
[12:31:09] razum2um: о кстате идея
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[12:33:17] razum2um: а фишка в том, что я функцию хочу запиклить ее code и отправить по сети. алсо. если этот комп не справляется - перенаправить обработку. и из reduce этот быдет другое молотить как то так
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[12:33:34] bobry: может тебе проще какую нить celery заюзать?
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[12:33:43] bobry: оно вроде как поддерживает нескольких воркеров
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[12:36:06] razum2um: о кажется велосипедов бу меньше...
[12:37:13] razum2um: да. и кстати о неосведомленности. на чтобы из новостей кроме планеты питон подписаться, чтобы не пропустить выход интересностей? (языком буржуйским неограничен)
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[12:38:52] slav0nic: китайская планета
[12:39:20] razum2um: я имел ввиду что если en то ок. можно без иронии?
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[13:55:12] nott: razum2um выход інтересностей python-announce-list
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[13:57:53] Typhon: razum2um, py.execnet ещё может помочь
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[14:53:38] hzkto1: здарствуйте, подскажите пожалуйста можно ли каким нибудь путем осуществить кроссимпорт в питоне ?
[14:54:21] Tony: что ты имеешь в виду под кроссимпортом?
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[14:55:04] hzkto1: есть 2 модуля и они импортируют друг в друга короче пересекающийся импорт
[14:55:17] gigimon: наверно в 1 модуле испртировать из модуль2, а вмодуль 2 из модуля 1
[14:55:20] hzkto1: как выйти из ситуации подругому я к сожалению незнаю )
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[14:55:35] gigimon: hzkto1: обдумать свою систему
[14:55:42] gigimon: и написать нормально
[14:55:54] hzkto1: может подскажите решение, сейчас опишу ситуацию
[14:55:59] Typhon: circular imports это зовут обычно :)
[14:56:07] Typhon: И НАХУЙ ИХ ГНАТЬ ИЗ КОДА!!1!!
[14:56:10] hzkto1: извините незнал )
[14:56:21] Tony: Typhon, +`1
[14:56:43] gigimon: hzkto1: переделывай од, архитекрута неправильная
[14:56:48] gigimon: о
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[14:57:03] gigimon: piranha: ты явно юзал твиттер апи, да?
[14:57:15] piranha: gigimon: где?
[14:57:40] piranha: ты имеешь в виду вообще?
[14:57:43] gigimon: да
[14:57:52] gigimon: piranha: интересует в джанге, может модуль какой знаешь? :)
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[14:58:06] piranha: http://hg.piranha.org.ua/twitterapi/
[14:58:10] gigimon: а то начал искать, нашел только django-twitter-oauth, но там сто зависимостей
[14:58:12] piranha: джанга не при чëм
[14:58:17] piranha: или ни при чëм?
[14:58:24] piranha: в общем при чëм тут джанга? )
[14:58:30] gigimon: интеграцию с ней :)
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[14:58:58] Typhon: што значит интеграцию?
[14:59:05] gigimon: ладно, python-oauth2 тогда буду юзать
[14:59:15] gigimon: Typhon: чтобы поставил апликуху и все работало :)
[14:59:22] hzkto1: есть класс 1 он принимает подключения и создает потоки класса 2 на каждого клиента, есть класс 2 потоковый который принимает данные и когда клиент отправляет определенную информацию он передает его сокет в класс 3 которой представляет из себя поток который создает потоки класса 4 на каждых двух клиентов, когда клиенты обменялись информацией поток класса 4 для них убиваем и нада создать для каждого из них опять поток 2
[14:59:27] gigimon: авторизация/регистрация
[14:59:37] hzkto1: и вот как тут без циркуляр импорта обойтись я честно говоря не придумал
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[14:59:43] gigimon: и действия другие с твиттером
[14:59:55] Typhon: hzkto1, смотри модуль SocketServer сразу :)
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[15:00:15] Typhon: и кстати ЯНИЧЕГОНЕПОНЯЛ! %)
[15:00:24] hzkto1: )
[15:00:25] gigimon: гг
[15:00:50] Typhon: но реальне, в SocketServer уже половина того, что тебе надо, уже есть
[15:01:07] Typhon: ты ксттаи на жаве не писал, hzkto1 ?
[15:01:11] Typhon: *кстати
[15:01:25] piranha: gigimon: а, у меня просто для работы с твиттером, а не для авторизации через твиттер
[15:01:26] hzkto1: да я уже все сделал но у меня проблема, что из класса 4 я немогу импортировать класс 2 чтобы создать эти потоки заного
[15:01:35] hzkto1: нет не писал на жаве
[15:02:11] gigimon: piranha: понятно :) ну буду тогда писать
[15:02:13] Typhon: зачем тебе вообще импортировать, кстати? ты ж можешь всё, например, в одном модуле держать.
[15:02:46] Typhon: не увидел у тебя в описании модулей. "потоковый класс" -- это унаследованный от threading ? -- обычно жависты так делают, в питоне предпочитают target передавать, в основном.
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[15:03:29] hzkto1: да наследованный от треда
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[15:03:45] Typhon: непонятно, почему класс2 не может обрабатывать данные, полученные от клиента, к тому же
[15:03:50] Typhon: зачем ему что-то создавать?
[15:04:00] hzkto1: класс 2 создается для 1 клиента
[15:04:15] hzkto1: а класс 4 создается для двух это для удобства
[15:04:26] Typhon: oO
[15:04:29] hzkto1: расчетов общих данных
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[15:05:03] hzkto1: тоесть когда клиент отправляет в класс два определенную информацию, и еще один клиент отправляет информацию
[15:05:17] hzkto1: для двоих создается один поток
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[15:05:44] hzkto1: и они начинают обмен информацией между собой, через сервер для проверки данных
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[15:16:56] hzkto1: проблему решил совмещением модулей в один файл, спасибо за совет, но все же это хорошо пока кода не сильно много , а эти 2 класса ключевые :(
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[16:32:15] gigimon: кто-то юзает cherokee?
[16:32:39] gigimon: как бы в нем настроить проксирование всех запросов на другой сервер?
[16:32:52] Typhon: там разве нет готового правила "прокси"?
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[16:37:57] gigimon: есть, но чет не могу понять где вписать куда проксировать
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[16:38:30] gigimon: хотя вроде допер, что не в вирт хосте а в sources
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[16:45:25] gigimon: а вот визарда там нет
[16:45:28] gigimon: для прокси
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[17:11:40] webninja: привет
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[17:11:43] webninja: подскажите
[17:12:01] wiz: 42
[17:12:15] webninja: как сделать (я уже сделал, но думаю есть решения получше) следующую штуку
[17:12:41] webninja: есть контент - таблица - наименования например 300 наименований
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[17:12:53] webninja: нужно выводить на страницу
[17:13:14] webninja: естественно я не желаю выводить все 300 за раз
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[17:13:26] webninja: а разделить это на несколько страниц
[17:13:29] webninja: как сделать?
[17:13:39] webninja: речь, разумеется идет о джанге
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[17:13:56] Typhon: pagination
[17:14:02] Typhon: после "разумеется" -- запятая.
[17:14:08] webninja: да
[17:14:09] webninja: забыл
[17:14:22] webninja: !g django pagination
[17:15:04] webninja: делаю систему управления пачкой блогов на cyrax =) хых
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[17:15:26] Typhon: pagination сразу в джанге есть
[17:15:37] Typhon: без доп. модулей
[17:16:08] webninja: нашел
[17:16:10] webninja: спасиб
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[17:42:30] el-hesus: здравствуйте,подскажите куда взор обратить, собираюсь прогу сваять, для работы с сетевыми девайсами , по протоколу rrcp, но не знаю с какой стороны взяться, опыта в питоне почти нету, а с сетями вообще не работал
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[17:46:55] wiz: чем ещё можно кроме kcachegrind посмотреть результаты профилера?
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[17:47:07] wiz: почему-то он сам отказывается работать говоря, что нет модуля pstats
[17:48:04] el-hesus: задачка в принципе не сложная, сгенерить пакет определенного вида я могу, но как его в сеть отправить , и как заставить интерфейс отлавливать ответы , незнаю
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[17:52:51] Typhon: el-hesus, тебе стоит поискать, воможно либу для rrcp, чтобы не велосипедить самому. а если нет то модуль socket, (хелп по нему + how to из доков помогут). в доках есть пример raw socket, скорее всего тебе понадобится он. + модуль struct для формирования пакетов скорее всего пригодится.
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[17:54:33] el-hesus: Typhon, спасибо!
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[18:09:46] wiz: чем можно по-быстрому визуализировать график по трём осям?
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[18:10:43] Typhon: matplotlib, наверное
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[18:49:16] hzkto1: matches(p1, p2).start() в цикле каждый раз создает новый поток верно ? Но у меня творится магия какая-то если я в классе matches не присваиваю дефолтное значение атрибуту, то при запуске следующего потока matches оно сохраняется Оо
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[18:49:41] webninja: кстати да
[18:49:57] webninja: а есть ченить для построения Reports и диаграм в django?
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[19:23:05] webninja: блин почему после редиректа в урле остается всякая фигня?
[19:23:09] webninja: http://localhost:8000/login?login=/panel
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[19:25:01] webninja: # If the user isn't logged in, redirect to settings.LOGIN_URL, passing the current absolute path in the query string. Example: /accounts/login/?next=/polls/3/.
[19:25:09] webninja: ну пипец а оно мне надо?
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[19:43:47] gigimon: а почему нет? авторизируешь юзера и пропустишь куда надо было
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[19:44:07] webninja: да некрасиво
[19:44:32] webninja: я декоратор использую @login_required
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[19:54:39] wiz: как из списка значений получить функцию для экстраполяции например?
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[20:03:05] Typhon: webninja, зато пользователь после того как залогинится, попадёт сразу туда, куда хотел, а не на глаге
[20:03:41] webninja: ах вот оно что
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[20:03:48] Typhon: *глагне
[20:03:50] webninja: ну тогда есть смысл да
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[20:04:02] webninja: а если мне надо на глагне?
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[20:04:32] Typhon: не тебе надо, а пользователю. если пользователю надо на глагне, он пойдет туда, а если нет -- то в другое место.
[20:04:40] Typhon: wiz, в scipy нету?
[20:05:29] webninja: Typhon что посоветуешь для джанги, графики сторить и диаграмы?
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[20:06:01] Typhon: webninja, flot. не знаю, для джанги оно или не для джанги %)
[20:06:18] webninja: !g flot
[20:06:51] webninja: гм
[20:06:54] webninja: Flot is a pure Javascript plotting library for jQuery <http://jquery.com>
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[20:08:07] Typhon: webninja, ну или матплотлибом рендерь картинки и показывай их ;)
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[20:32:44] wiz: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=[[10,674],[260,43],[510,22],[760,16],[1010,12]] это логарифмическая сложность получается, да?
[20:33:27] wiz: size × speed
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[20:36:13] Typhon: что-то вольфрам нарисовал картинок каких-то непонятных
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[20:38:01] Typhon: и это не логарифмическая, если я правильно понимаю картинки
[20:38:27] Typhon: 1/x вообще %)
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[20:40:18] Typhon: wiz, где у тебя размерность, а где время? :)
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[20:43:36] Typhon: ну вообщем, надо зависимость _time_ от size смотреть, а не странного speed
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[20:43:58] wiz: speed - запросов в секунду
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[22:26:57] gf: ктонить юзал http://code.google.com/p/django-ajax-filtered-fields/,
[22:26:59] gf: ?
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[22:27:26] gf: вообще не могу понять как это юзать..
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[22:28:04] gf: может ктонить скинет/покажет реально работающий код..?
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[22:56:32] creitve: всем привет
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[22:57:21] creitve: я искал наиболее "питонистичный" способ выбора параметра из веб-страницы, но предлагается несколько. какие библиотеки каноничнее всего использовать для парса html?
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[23:01:29] piranha: lxml, BeautifulSoup
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[23:02:31] creitve: спасибо
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[23:33:24] cutwater: а скажите что сейчас более менее вменяемое для xmpp клиента на питоне есть?
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[23:33:53] cutwater: twisted.words / xmpppy / pyxmpp / something else?
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[23:34:45] bobry: смотря какой клиент
[23:34:55] bobry: xmpppy вполне себе, если не нужна асинхронность
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[23:35:38] cutwater: м.. вот кстати любопытно ejabberd реализует протокол или пользует библитеку какую. мб на erlang пофапать
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[23:36:24] cutwater: bobry: а о twisted.words можешь что-нибудь сказать?
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[23:42:46] bobry: не, увы я их не трогал. это к deepwalker'у
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[23:45:42] creitve: а чем плох стандартный HTMLParser
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[23:51:21] bobry: creitve: ты его api видел? он неудобный, к тому же валится на практически любом not well formed html
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[23:53:43] creitve: окей, а нормально использовать, например, BeautifulSoup для получение одной строчки со всей страницы? как при этом не сделать лишней работы?
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[23:56:41] Typhon: если ты знаешь, как однозначно эту строчку найти, то можно просто строковые функции ;-) типа str.find etc.
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[23:59:26] creitve: пожалуй всё же кое-что меняется от итерации к итерации, так что придётся отказаться, ибо меня уже отучили парсить html через regexp =)
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