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[00:10:21] gf: creitve чем тебе regexp'ы не угодили?
[00:10:50] creitve: ну нерационально же парсить большие объёмы regexpом
[00:11:08] gigimon: гм
[00:11:21] gigimon: html regexpom, наверно только когда наверняка знаешь где оно будет
[00:11:24] gf: а ты используй несколько regexp'ов
[00:11:29] gigimon: пытался я табличцу регекспом
[00:11:38] gigimon: уж легче lxml заюзать)
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[00:12:20] gf: я пытался заюзать BeautifulSoup, слабоват..
[00:12:39] gigimon: по сравнению с регекспами для парсинга хтмл?
[00:12:54] gf: ага
[00:13:07] gigimon: а чем слабоват?
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[00:13:54] creitve: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1732348/regex-match-open-tags-except-xhtml-self-contained-tags/1732454#1732454
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[00:14:10] gf: а, не, я парсил не хтмл а csv..
[00:14:51] gf: но после этого я сейчас однозначно отдаю предпочтение самописным регексам
[00:14:56] creitve: csv можно сплитом, не?
[00:15:49] gf: х.з. можно ли.. предлагаю распарсить такую строчку:
"MATERIAL",1,"ALI/0104","ALISIER","Ализье","40/60","vert - green - grün - verde","зеленый",37,"C1","0,064",15,"Bu.","823,63 ","12 354,38 ","0,00 "," 517,58 "," 7 763,71 "," 576,54 "," 8 648,06 "," 1 153,08 "," 17 296,13 "," - "," - "
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[00:17:23] gf: у меня уже есть готовое решение из регекса, думаю, что другими подходами эту строку не одолеть..
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[00:18:57] gf: в некоторых строках значения между запятыми могут отсутствовать..
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[00:20:07] bobry: gf: funcparserlib?
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[00:21:13] gf: bobry ?
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[00:22:43] Typhon: import csv
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[00:24:13] gf: Typhon бля, а мужик то и не знали.. :(
[00:24:22] bobry: :)
[00:25:44] gf: сука.. но зато за те часы которые я потрптил на написание парсера регексы успели мне понравится.. :)
[00:25:56] creitve: кстати о регэксах
[00:26:02] creitve: как из строки url извлечь
[00:26:10] creitve: я в регексах ноль)
[00:26:17] gf: кидай строку
[00:26:54] creitve: 'Permanent link to this comic: http://xkcd.com/838/'
[00:27:07] gf: /me сейчас напишет регекс на сон грядущий
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[00:27:29] gf: кавычки в строку входят?
[00:27:36] creitve: нет
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[00:27:52] Typhon: creitve, https://github.com/mitsuhiko/jinja2/blob/master/jinja2/utils.py#L259
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[00:28:53] creitve: зачем мне это, если у меня все строки так выглядят
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[00:28:56] creitve: меняется только url
[00:29:10] gf: creitve на сколько сильно?
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[00:29:18] gf: еще парочку скинь
[00:29:31] creitve: Permanent link to this comic: http://xkcd.com/1/
[00:29:36] creitve: Permanent link to this comic: http://xkcd.com/2/ <http://xkcd.com/1/>
[00:29:41] gf: ок
[00:29:49] Typhon: ну и нахуй здесь тогда регексп? :)
[00:29:59] Typhon: st[len('Permanent link to this comic: '):]
[00:30:05] creitve: стоп
[00:30:16] creitve: не та строчка
[00:31:19] gf: :)
[00:31:22] creitve: Image URL (for hotlinking/embedding): http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/incident.png
[00:31:26] creitve: вот
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[00:31:52] Typhon: ну вообщем, без разницы -- регесп не нужен
[00:31:57] creitve: имя файла после /comics/ может меняться
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[00:32:10] creitve: ну тогда расскажи нубу. я не слишком нубские вопросы для канала спрашиваю?
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[00:32:13] Typhon: еще можно без привязки к тексту: .find('http://') и до конца
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[00:34:50] gf: creitve если тебе только урл, то делай как Typhon..
[00:35:06] creitve: мне .find число возвращает
[00:35:13] creitve: я так понимаю номер первого вхождения
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[00:35:17] Typhon: creitve, s[s.find('http://'):]
[00:35:19] gf: но еще можно разные урлы по разному обрабатывать.. типа картинки складывать в img, и т.д.
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[00:35:48] Typhon: gf, ну да, вычленил урл, потом if '/img/' in url: .. и т.д. регекспы не нужны
[00:36:00] Typhon: creitve, ну да. строка поддерживает индексацию и слайсинг
[00:37:09] gf: creitve я такую конструкцию юзаю: line = re.findall(r'("(?:.*?)"|(?:\d+|,,))', line)
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[00:37:23] Typhon: :-! <-- блюющий смайлик ^_^
[00:37:29] gf: гг
[00:37:32] gf: че?
[00:38:09] Typhon: creitve, хозяйке на заметку: help(str.find) в интерпретаторе покажет короткую доку по функции
[00:38:31] Typhon: gf, ну просто регекспы говно и не нужны очень часто
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[00:39:26] gf: пох. я от них торчу! :)
[00:40:07] creitve: взгляни
[00:40:10] creitve: http://pastebin.com/UqKBLkaA
[00:40:17] creitve: нет всяких тупняков?
[00:40:53] Typhon: есть -- import re
[00:41:11] gf: гг
[00:42:10] gf: creitve ты заюзал re и Суп в одном флаконе..
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[00:42:35] creitve: окей как мне избавиться от лишнего здесь?
[00:42:54] gf: мне казалось, что Суп именно и нужен чтоб re не юзать..
[00:43:09] creitve: хз, я взял этотт приём из манов на сайте Супа
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[00:43:59] creitve: в общем я знаю, что нужна строка в блоке <div class='s'> </div>
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[00:44:13] creitve: внутри второй пары тегов <h3> </h3>
[00:44:38] creitve: как мне извлечь строку?
[00:45:05] bobry: я бы xpath заюзал
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[00:48:07] gf: >>> import re
>>> import urllib2
>>> document = urllib2.urlopen('http://xkcd.com/')
>>> document = document.read()
>>> l = re.findall(r'(http://.*)',document)
>>> for a in l:
... print l
[00:48:33] gf: знаю.. надо было на пастебин..
[00:48:45] gf: creitve
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[00:49:19] creitve: мм
[00:49:26] creitve: но это ведь выдаст все url
[00:49:34] creitve: мне же нужен только из строчки про embedding
[00:49:40] gf: бля, а тебе че надо? :)
[00:49:59] gf: аа.. а как она выглядит т?
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[00:50:51] creitve: всё решил вопрос
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[00:50:58] gf: вопщес именно на этом месте и начинается МАГИЯ! :)
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[00:51:28] gf: creitve как решил то?
[00:52:20] creitve: 5 минут
[00:53:03] gf: /me через 5 минут будет спать, чего и всем вам желает.
[00:53:30] creitve: странно
[00:53:44] creitve: делаю x = soup.findAll('h3')
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[00:54:01] creitve: print x[1] выдаёт нужную строчку
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[00:54:33] creitve: но x[1][x[1].find('http://'):] не робит, пишет чтот unhashable
[00:55:05] Typhon: а что за типа x[1] имеет?
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[00:55:59] creitve: x типа list
[00:56:15] creitve: x[1] его второй элемент, если ты об этом
[00:56:42] gf: нет, он о типе второго элемента..
[00:57:01] creitve: мм, ну должна быть строка но вроде бы не она
[00:57:04] creitve: (
[00:57:20] Typhon: там скорее всего какой-нибудь суповский объект
[00:57:32] Typhon: из него желательно строку вытащить
[00:57:55] creitve: "Extracts a list of Tag objects that match the given
criteria. You can specify the name of the Tag and any
attributes you want the Tag to have.
[00:58:07] creitve: а понял
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[01:01:05] creitve: ы
[01:02:32] creitve: вот
[01:02:59] creitve: http://pastebin.com/mf84XfGy
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[01:09:46] hzkto1: здраствуйте, скажите почему может происходить такая неприятная вещь: метод run в потоке заканчивает свою работу я опять создаю этот же поток, а атрибут потока сохраняет значение от предыдущего потока О_О, просто магия какая-то это ведь невозможно, весь день бьюсь над этим немогу понять в чем загвоздка, если кто нибудь может посмотреть код буду крайне признателен, но там около 300 строк ( хотя много коментариев
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[01:11:01] gigimon: может ты просто тот же поток и запускаешь?
[01:11:25] hzkto1: potok(arg1, arg2).start()
[01:11:42] hzkto1: таким образом это вроде создает новый поток
[01:11:58] hzkto1: potok класс наследованный от threading.Thread
[01:12:12] hzkto1: могу тупить ткните польцем пожалуйста
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[01:15:08] Typhon: покажи определение класса на paste.in.ua
[01:15:25] Typhon: ты просто свойство _класса_, а не _экземпляра_ меняешь, скорее всего
[01:15:47] Typhon: я все-таки думаю, что ты из java world %) или, например, в универе пихали javу
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[01:17:33] hzkto1: да нет я просто это мое хобби поэтому рука у меня не набита как у того кто программирует каждый день, поэтому мои методы достижения результата могут быть крайне корявыми . вот там правда 4 класса ) http://paste.in.ua/1573/
[01:17:41] hzkto1: но ошибка в принципе может быть в любом
[01:18:05] hzkto1: все начинается с network.accept()
[01:18:34] Typhon: строки 63-75
[01:18:52] Typhon: все экземляры класса network будут иметь одни и те же объекты
[01:19:04] Typhon: players, waiters, etc.
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[01:19:11] Typhon: btw, читни pep8
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[01:19:15] hzkto1: ну нетворк это не поток
[01:19:15] Typhon: !pep8
[01:19:21] gigimon: т.к. вызывается класс, а не его экземпляр
[01:19:22] Typhon: !wtf pep8
[01:19:28] hzkto1: смотри
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[01:19:48] gigimon: hzkto1: и называть одинаково классы и переменные (waiters) плохо
[01:19:54] hzkto1: нетворк метод ассепт слушает порт и подключает людей
[01:19:59] gigimon: а еще старые классы)
[01:20:04] hzkto1: посмотри метод accept()
[01:20:11] Typhon: 128-136 --- то же самое
[01:20:16] gigimon: hzkto1: дело не в методе, а то, как ты вызываешь поток
[01:20:19] gigimon: создаешь*
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[01:20:56] hzkto1: вот Typhon именно они проблемные
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[01:21:03] creitve: !pep8
[01:21:04] Typhon: hzkto1, какой атрибут у тебя сохраняется?
[01:21:09] Typhon: creitve, !wtf
[01:21:12] creitve: !wtf pep8
[01:21:14] hzkto1: все в matches
[01:21:15] Typhon: !wtf list
[01:21:26] creitve: !wtf list
[01:21:32] Typhon: hzkto1, 129--136 эти строки
[01:21:40] hzkto1: да
[01:21:45] Typhon: смотри, в эти строках ты определяешь поля _класса_
[01:21:46] creitve: гы)
[01:22:00] hzkto1: ну да
[01:22:05] Typhon: они создадутся в момент определения класса
[01:22:05] hzkto1: я что то делаю не так ? :D
[01:22:12] hzkto1: да
[01:22:20] Typhon: т.е., когда интерпретатор "прочитает" строки с определением.
[01:22:25] Typhon: p, например, список.
[01:22:29] Typhon: объект мутабельный
[01:22:31] Typhon: изменяемый.
[01:22:56] Typhon: все экземляры matches будут иметь в p ссылку на один и тот же объект в памяти
[01:23:03] Typhon: и соот-но будут изменять один и тот же объект.
[01:23:28] hzkto1: хм я думал поля для каждого экземпляра свои что в принципе логично должно быть
[01:23:31] Typhon: чтобы избежать этого, тебе нужно объявить p полем экземлпяра, в __init__
[01:23:52] hzkto1: каким образом ?
[01:23:58] Typhon: те, что ты присваиваешь для self -- поля экземпляра.
[01:24:10] Typhon: те, что внутри определения класса являются полями класса
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[01:24:18] hzkto1: ясно
[01:24:28] hzkto1: но несовсем )
[01:24:30] Typhon: !wtf tutorial
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[01:24:35] Typhon: hzkto1, ^ читал?
[01:24:40] Typhon: там круто %)
[01:24:53] hzkto1: некогда не любил писать хелло ворлды )
[01:24:59] gigimon: там нету их
[01:25:21] gigimon: там открываешь страницу классы и читаешь про классы коротко
[01:25:23] hzkto1: спасибо большое
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[01:26:41] hzkto1: там есть еще проблемы с одновременной работой 2 потоков matches они тоже могут изза этого возникать ? тоесть допустим если поле класса общее на все экземпляры то при обращении к нему сразу 2 экемпляров возможны ошибки ?
[01:26:46] hzkto1: да я все понял )
[01:26:56] hzkto1: спасибо допетрил, вот так выручили )
[01:27:09] hzkto1: а я сегодня целый день сидел бился над этой проблемой
[01:27:51] gigimon: а прочитал бы туториал...
[01:28:16] gigimon: hzkto1: какую игру делаешь?
[01:28:33] hzkto1: спички три ряда 3, 5 , 7 спичек
[01:28:38] hzkto1: логическая
[01:28:45] hzkto1: можно брать из каждого ряда сколько угодно
[01:28:56] hzkto1: проигрывает тот кому остается последняя спичка
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[01:30:31] Typhon: прикольно :-) еще почитай таки про SocketServer и про Queue и Хоара! http://www.usingcsp.com/
[01:30:52] creitve: так надо посоветоваться
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[01:31:35] hzkto1: Typhon спасибо если еще чтонибудь сетевое буду делать обязательно посмотрю, ну и еще хочу посмотреть twisted но что то оно уж слишком непонятное для меня пока
[01:31:41] creitve: я пишу приложение, позволяющее архивировать любимые веб-комиксы на компютере, синхронизировать их и просматривать
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[01:31:58] gigimon: Typhon: xoapa - алгоритм?
[01:32:16] creitve: приложение должно поддерживать модули для подключения новых комиксов
[01:32:19] Typhon: hzkto1, не торопись с твистедом -- оно слишком мозги промывает, потом не отмоешься :D начни с тех средств, что есть в stdlib -- socket, SocketServer, asyncode/asynchat, etc.
[01:32:22] creitve: как реализовать объектную модель?
[01:32:23] Typhon: gigimon, не, книгу
[01:32:30] Typhon: gigimon, cps, вон ссылка ^_^
[01:32:35] gigimon: аок
[01:32:50] Typhon: *asyncore
[01:33:35] gigimon: почитаю тоже)
[01:33:37] hzkto1: я пытался в предыдущий раз использовать asyncore когда писал логирующий-анализирующий прокси для одной игрушки
[01:33:56] gigimon: замахи какие у людей
[01:33:59] hzkto1: но то что он основан на событиях мне не очень понравилась )
[01:34:04] hzkto1: написал на обычном сокете
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[01:34:09] Typhon: hzkto1, почему?
[01:34:12] gigimon: hzkto1: на чем писал до питона?
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[01:34:36] gigimon: creitve: что значит объектную модель?
[01:34:44] creitve: ща 5 сек
[01:34:50] hzkto1: а теперь вот понадобилось писать клиент на акшн скрипт 3 а там все на событиях, и меня проперло теперь жалею что тогда не писал на событиях )
[01:35:16] hzkto1: да я пробовал много языков
[01:35:30] hzkto1: но более менее писал на php и шарпе
[01:35:30] Typhon: creitve, каждый комикс -- функция, которая возвращат результат в виде того, что нужно.
[01:35:39] Typhon: creitve, вот и вся объектная модель ^_________^
[01:35:49] creitve: ага то есть классы всякие тут лишнее
[01:35:54] hzkto1: причем на пхп я веб не писал ) писал десктоп консольный )
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[01:36:22] Typhon: потом обобщи эти функции в одну. которая принимает, например, хост и какую-нить фигню, чтобы данные вытащить. а всё остальное общее будет.
[01:36:37] Typhon: hzkto1, умеешь извратиться ^_^
[01:37:18] hzkto1: ну в то время я пробовал C++ мне сразу непонравилось а бота хотелось :D
[01:37:29] gigimon: )
[01:39:01] creitve: так, то есть внутри функции длиинный switch case или-что-там-в-питоне - это катит?
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[01:39:42] gigimon: зачем?
[01:39:47] Typhon: it depends ^_^
[01:39:48] gigimon: всмысле что ты в нем хочешь делать
[01:39:56] Typhon: я говорю, начни с нескольких функций.
[01:40:18] creitve: окей
[01:40:20] Typhon: потом обобщи, так чтобы всё, что отличается, было в параметрах ф-ии
[01:40:28] creitve: в том то и дело
[01:40:32] Typhon: ну а дальше по обстоятельствам.
[01:40:40] creitve: что парсить приходится совершенно разные сайты
[01:40:52] gigimon: ну для каждого сайта пиши функцию
[01:40:54] Typhon: воо. тут тебе понадобятся функции высших порядков
[01:40:59] Typhon: ну сначала да
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[01:41:04] Typhon: просто для каждого свою функцию ^_^
[01:41:07] gigimon: которая будет обрабатывать 1 сайт, но отдавать данные в определенном формате
[01:41:17] creitve: так, это понятно
[01:41:27] Typhon: ну раз понятно -- пиши :)
[01:41:37] creitve: а потом длинная мета-функция со словарём из функций?
[01:41:41] gigimon: зачем?
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[01:41:59] creitve: ну надо же их объединить
[01:41:59] gigimon: ну хотя...
[01:42:22] Typhon: со словарем, может быть, но непонятно, почему длинная.
[01:42:42] creitve: потому что комиксов в вебе over 9000
[01:42:54] creitve: если я пишу общее приложение
[01:43:00] Typhon: for (func_name, func) in dikt.iteritems():
print('{} -- {}'.format(func_name, func()))
[01:43:07] Typhon: вот и вся "мета-функция"
[01:43:22] creitve: о боже
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[01:44:38] creitve: хм
[01:44:52] creitve: не понял что она делает
[01:45:33] Typhon: бежит по словарю с функциями, которые умеют доставать данные, вызывает их и показывает результат.
[01:45:42] Typhon: у тебя показ результата будет по-другому, я думаю
[01:45:59] creitve: мне нужна функция к которой можно обратиться например function('comicname').total и получить текущее число стрипов в данном комиксе
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[01:46:19] creitve: при этом внутри function есть функция для конкретно comicname
[01:46:55] gigimon: мне кажется тебе надо определиться с желаниями)
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[01:48:38] creitve: вот определился
[01:48:56] hzkto1: все заработало. я безумно вам благодарен, если бы не вы я незнаю к чему бы я пришел, поскольку я копал совершенно не в том направлении, я думал что мои экземляры потоков почему то не уничтожаются, хотя имена у них разные были, вообщем я впадал в страшную дипрессию :D
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[01:50:55] creitve: Typhon так вот как мне реализовать такое
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[01:51:11] Typhon: какое? ^_^
[01:51:35] creitve: (02:46:00) creitve: мне нужна функция к которой можно обратиться например function('comicname').total и получить текущее число стрипов в данном комиксе
(02:46:21) creitve: при этом внутри function есть функция для конкретно comicname
[01:51:48] creitve: и т.д.
[01:52:30] Typhon: ну ты чот определился не то, что ты хочешь видеть, а _как_ ты хочешь _нечто_ сделать. раз определился _как_ -- ну делай. :-)
[01:52:41] Typhon: hzkto1, http://www.cafepy.com/article/python_attributes_and_methods/python_attributes_and_methods.html вот ещё, например
[01:53:00] creitve: хм
[01:53:28] hzkto1: Typhon спасибо
[01:53:41] creitve: я имею в виду как грамотно из внешней функции вызывать одну внутреннюю, чтобы не выглядеть быдлоокдером вот я про что
[01:53:50] creitve: *быдлокодером
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[01:54:54] Typhon: никак ;-)
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[01:55:25] creitve: э
[01:55:28] creitve: >.<
[01:55:44] Typhon: функция -- это черный ящик.
[01:55:59] Typhon: у неё только входны параметры и возвращаемое значение есть.
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[01:56:05] Typhon: домен и кодомен, типа ^_^
[01:56:16] Typhon: в этих терминах и мысли
[01:57:58] creitve: вот
[01:58:46] creitve: но если для каждого комикса своя функция
[01:59:17] creitve: и нужно вызвать только одну через общий интерфейс?
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[02:00:19] Typhon: http://paste.in.ua/1575/
[02:00:57] Typhon: ну вот другое дело. ты уже говорил про словарь функций. вот и держи его :-)
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[02:02:04] creitve: мм
[02:02:38] creitve: а зачем мы какую-то итерацию делаем?
[02:02:45] Typhon: ну это я делаю.
[02:02:50] Typhon: чтобы все комиксы показать
[02:03:30] Typhon: у тебя, может быть, например:
register = {'xkcd':get_xkcd_results}
def main(name):
return register[name]()
[02:03:54] creitve: вот!
[02:04:09] creitve: значит со словарём я правильно понял
[02:04:15] creitve: я просто одну книгу читал пару часов назад
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[02:04:26] creitve: типа python tips & tricks
[02:04:30] creitve: на хабре откопал
[02:04:34] creitve: спасибо)
[02:04:46] creitve: щас на 5 мин отойду и сяду кодить
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[02:04:56] Typhon: ну тебе сразу сказали, что словарь -- ок, принципе :-)
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[02:07:00] creitve: так тогда такой вопрос
[02:07:41] creitve: я хочу, чтобы эти модули можно было добавлять в файлах. как плагины. то есть существует папка в ней phd.py, xkcd.py, cadcomics.py
[02:07:56] creitve: при загрузке программа их сканирует и все добавляет куданить
[02:08:00] creitve: как такое обычно реализуется
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[02:12:08] bobry: creitve: ты хочешь динамический импорт? см. importlib
[02:12:17] creitve: спасибо, почитаем
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[02:15:54] creitve: кстати, чем module от package отличается? использую pydev, тут блин нет пункта "создать просто .py файл" =)
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[02:16:22] Typhon: модуль -- это просто .py файл
[02:16:26] hzkto1: насколько я знаю модуль это файл а пакет это папка
[02:16:37] Typhon: http://docs.python.org/tutorial/modules.html бинго
[02:16:56] Typhon: про это есть в туториале ^_^
[02:18:24] creitve: мм ну да я читал его
[02:18:35] creitve: просто интересно былок а кэто соотносится с файловой системой
[02:18:36] creitve: спс
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[02:20:17] creitve: то есть если я буду складывать в папку plugins файлы с функциями комиксов, то import * from папка решит вопрос?
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[02:21:32] creitve: та кладно
[02:21:40] creitve: я сейчас сам во всём разберусь)
[02:21:47] creitve: всем спс
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[02:22:00] Typhon: такой синтаксической конструкции не существует.
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[02:27:00] hzkto1: после import КЛАСС from МОДУЛЬ
[02:28:02] creitve: а тьфу, спс. куда в Linux обычно модули складываются. вот куда мне положить BeautifulSoup?
[02:28:24] creitve: *складываются?
[02:28:47] Typhon: что значит куда положить? oO
[02:29:02] Typhon: ты устанавить должен pip install beautifulsoup
[02:29:13] Typhon: или easy_install bs
[02:29:22] Typhon: или python setup.py install
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[02:30:06] creitve: аа
[02:30:15] creitve: я просто sudo setup.py пробовал
[02:30:28] creitve: потом забил и кинул в папку с проектом либу
[02:30:52] creitve: отличненько
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[02:34:22] creitve: ладно пойду спать, спасибо всем. докурю всё сам
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[06:56:07] webninja: pip install да =( тока не забудь потом в ридми добавить что используешь
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[06:59:08] wiz: webninja, не в ридми, а в pip-reqs.txt
[06:59:15] webninja: не не
[06:59:18] wiz: да да
[06:59:22] webninja: чтобы потом не тупить при переносе
[06:59:39] webninja: на сервер значит
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[07:00:17] wiz: ./venv/bin/pip install -E venv -r ./pip-reqs.txt
[07:00:36] webninja: ух ты
[07:00:38] webninja: ну ладно
[07:00:49] wiz: а чтобы совсем не тупить есть pip freeze
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[07:05:21] _lorien: у меня это в шаблоне проекта, на сервере просто пишу build/buildenv.sh и оно само всё делает
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[07:09:29] webninja: есть какой нибудь счетчик типа li.ru для джанги?
[07:11:05] webninja: django-simplestats <http://code.google.com/p/django-simplestats/>
[07:11:18] webninja: STATUS: Work in Progress, Unworking, Unsupported
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[07:14:09] _lorien: чё бы прикольно на нетбук поставить? это подарок типа
[07:14:13] _lorien: * прикольного
[07:15:47] webninja: линукс =)
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[07:21:18] _lorien: не, серьёзно :) игрушек я уже поставил туда
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[07:21:31] _lorien: о, гуглерф
[07:23:03] webninja: гуглёрз
[07:23:22] webninja: майкрософт спэйс чето-там - карта неба кстати классная там лекции еще есть
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[07:23:35] _lorien: эх, линукс всё таки гимор, для винды стока софта
[07:23:41] _lorien: а для линукса костыли
[07:23:42] webninja: фотки галактик
[07:23:44] gf: гг
[07:23:45] webninja: ну как
[07:23:50] webninja: если для работы
[07:23:58] _lorien: ну да, для работы, то да
[07:23:59] webninja: то линукс потому что в этой сфере все наоборот
[07:24:00] gf: _lorien ты про игры?
[07:24:13] _lorien: игры, фотошоп, тот же гуглерс
[07:24:20] _lorien: для линукса я его как-то пробовал, он жутко глючил
[07:24:55] _lorien: всякий там софт для мобилок
[07:25:31] _lorien: ща поищем микрософт спейс этот
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[07:26:50] webninja: http://www.worldwidetelescope.org/Home.aspx
[07:26:59] webninja: вот он
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[07:31:53] webninja: http://www.whijo.net/blog/brad/2007/07/19/statistics-logging-django.html
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[07:31:56] webninja: нашел вроде чето
[07:32:02] webninja: статистику считать
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[07:32:36] webninja: так и хотел сделать. жаль уже готового компонента чето не найти
[07:33:00] _lorien: я пару раз хотел сделать, да так и не сделал )
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[08:24:00] _lorien: http://shop.lego.com/Product/?p=8547 хочу это :)
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[09:44:43] gigimon: _lorien: покупай :)
[09:46:07] slav0nic: лучше Славуту купи
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[09:47:34] _lorien: Славут, это кто или что? :)
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[09:48:13] Hanzo is now Audacious: Blind by Deep Purple on Deep Purple (5:22)
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[09:53:28] Hanzo is now Audacious: Six Blade Knife by Dire Straits on Dire Straits (4:13)
[09:54:34] MAVr is now Да, я тут
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[09:57:43] Hanzo is now Audacious: When A Blind Man Cries by Deep Purple on Very Best Of (3:27)
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[10:00:32] piranha is now Zeesys Mednes
[10:01:12] Hanzo is now Audacious: When A Blind Man Cries by Deep Purple on Very Best Of (3:27)
[10:01:13] Hanzo is now Audacious: Hands Clean (Acoustic) by Alanis Morissette on Feast On Scraps (4:06)
[10:01:18] Hanzo is now Audacious: Hands Clean (Acoustic) by Alanis Morissette on Feast On Scraps (4:06)
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[10:02:09] piranha: _lorien: это такая следующая модель таврии, славута
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[10:02:40] _lorien: я завтра пойду покупать тойоту древнюю
[10:04:41] erraen is now online
[10:04:53] _lorien: А я подумал, шо надо некому Славуту купить конструктор лего
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[10:05:13] Hanzo is now Audacious: Òâîé äåíü by Àðèÿ on Àðìàãåääîí (5:19)
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[10:06:17] Hanzo is now Audacious: Òâîé äåíü by Àðèÿ on Àðìàãåääîí (5:19)
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[10:10:43] Hanzo is now Audacious: At My Most Beautiful by R.E.M. on The Best Of R.E.M. In Time 1988-2003 (3:32)
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[10:19:43] Hanzo is now Audacious: Old Man by Neil Young on Decade, The Very Best Of (1966-1976) (3:22)
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[10:43:13] Hanzo is now Audacious: Suzanne by Leonard Cohen on Greatest Hits (3:50)
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[11:14:42] mishok13: piranha, ты уже переписываешь всё на coffeescript?
[11:14:54] erraen is now online
[11:15:12] mishok13: там же как раз недавно 1.0 вышел
[11:15:23] piranha: mishok13: а шо такое "всë? :)
[11:15:30] mishok13: ТУПО ВСЁ
[11:15:39] piranha: ТУПО НЕ
[11:15:44] piranha: ну, шото я пишу на кофескрипте
[11:15:44] mishok13: НУ ЭТО ЖЕ ТУПО
[11:15:50] piranha: но маленькие штуки - нафига?
[11:15:57] piranha: НУ ПОЧЕМУ?! ПО-МОЕМУ ОК
[11:16:01] mishok13: выглядит прикольно
[11:16:06] piranha: да, клëвый
[11:16:10] piranha: и читать легко
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[11:16:14] Hanzo is now Audacious: Otherside by Red Hot Chili Peppers, The on Californication (4:17)
[11:16:27] Hanzo is now Audacious: Otherside by Red Hot Chili Peppers, The on Californication (4:17)
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[11:17:02] mishok13: эдак можно и под ноду писать на кофискрипте
[11:17:15] mishok13: и тогда всё будет читабельно и webscale одновременно
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[11:17:54] piranha: mishok13: вебчитабельно?
[11:17:58] piranha: но как же коллбеки?
[11:18:28] mishok13: а кофискрипт не позволяет лямбды делать?
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[11:18:54] piranha: позволяет
[11:19:06] mishok13: тогда не понимаю претензии к колбекам
[11:19:07] piranha: я имею в виду, что не смущают ли тебя сотни коллбеков?
[11:19:22] mishok13: нет
[11:19:34] mishok13: ты просто не писал на сях под ивэнт-системы
[11:19:40] mishok13: там-то поверь лямбд нету
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[11:20:28] Hanzo is now Audacious: Hymn To Her by Pretenders, The on Greatest Hits (4:59)
[11:20:43] piranha: =)
[11:20:48] piranha: убедила
[11:21:02] mishok13: я думаю, кто-нибудь таки придумает что-нибудь в стиле питоновских корутин
[11:21:07] mishok13: и за ними спрячет колбеки
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[11:22:17] mishok13: типа, как в твистеде с inlineCallbacks макароны из колбеков превращаются в нормальный код
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[11:26:27] Hanzo is now Audacious: Don't Ask Me Why by Billy Joel on Greatest Hits, Vols. 1 & 2 (1973-1985) (2:55)
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[11:27:51] deepwalker: один фиг v8 не эрланг
[11:28:20] deepwalker: я просто вот оцениваю - а имеет смысл вообще с этими полурешениями возиться?
[11:28:22] piranha: mishok13: ну типа как do
[11:28:27] piranha: или как оно там, сек
[11:28:28] Hanzo is now Audacious: THE UNFORGIVEN 4 by Mettalica on (6:26)
[11:28:54] mishok13: deepwalker, я думаю нет
[11:29:02] mishok13: лучше сразу эрланг учи
[11:29:09] piranha: deepwalker: ерланг 1) медленный 2) уродливый 3) много памяти жрëт
[11:29:17] piranha: особенно 1
[11:29:19] deepwalker: чего ж это он медленный?
[11:29:24] piranha: со строками ж постоянно возни нереальное количество
[11:29:30] piranha: а что, быстрый?
[11:29:33] deepwalker: на шутауте не заметно
[11:29:34] mishok13: медленный?
[11:29:42] mishok13: ты не должен на нём считать ничего
[11:29:45] deepwalker: питон д\далеко в попе от него
[11:29:47] mishok13: точно так же как и на питоне
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[11:30:02] mishok13: уродливый для тех кто пролог не читал
[11:30:08] piranha: по факту без всяких подсчëтов, если работает со строками медленно - всë, жо
[11:30:09] mishok13: памяти жрёт всяко меньше жабы
[11:30:20] piranha: deepwalker: это ж только числодробилка там...
[11:30:29] deepwalker: piranha, со строками которые как списки, работает медленно
[11:30:38] piranha: mishok13: ну вот это основной конечно конкурент по памяти
[11:30:42] deepwalker: но там же есть тру строки, есть бинарки
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[11:31:43] deepwalker: и паттерн матчинг бинарок это, по-моему, очень ок
[11:31:44] mishok13: строки там быстро обрабатываются, отличный способ описания протоколов (куда там hachoir и прочим), просто разворачивается на несколько ядер/инстансов
[11:32:12] piranha: хм
[11:32:13] mishok13: (в ноде прийдётся писать свой эрланг для обмена сообщениями между различными инстансами)
[11:32:17] piranha: mishok13: ну ок, нахера тебе тогда нода?
[11:32:27] mishok13: мне нода не нужна
[11:32:28] deepwalker: да да : ) тоже хотел спросить
[11:32:30] mishok13: я ее опробовал
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[11:32:35] mishok13: поблевал, забыл
[11:32:39] mishok13: через годик посмотрим
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[11:32:47] deepwalker: а эрланг?
[11:32:54] piranha: mishok13: https://github.com/creationix/step
[11:32:55] mishok13: но кофискрипт я вот на выходных ковырял, мне понравился
[11:33:04] piranha: так возьми reia тогда?
[11:33:08] mishok13: а эрланг я потихоньку буду втюхивать
[11:33:16] mishok13: reia это блеядь наёбка
[11:33:21] piranha: чо?
[11:33:23] deepwalker: я тут просто одну фигнюшку намонстрячил на gevent, и подумал подумал, и понял, что на эрланге она была бы не в пример толковее
[11:33:31] mishok13: потому что я не верю в OO построенное на erlang vm
[11:33:41] Соник is now online
[11:33:42] mishok13: семантика же разная
[11:33:47] mishok13: зачем самого себя обманывать
[11:33:59] deepwalker: erlang это ОО!
[11:34:02] mishok13: /me afk 20 minutes
[11:34:04] deepwalker: : )
[11:34:15] _lorien: бля, я точно не программист :( потому что мне похуй на всё, про что вы тут пиздите
[11:34:39] deepwalker: _lorien, ты корыстный : )
[11:34:53] deepwalker: нет в тебе полета : ))
[11:34:56] piranha: OOlolOO
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[11:35:13] piranha: deepwalker: какой там полëт, это потенциально огромные бабки
[11:35:14] piranha: =)
[11:35:31] deepwalker: хде?
[11:35:38] deepwalker: что я пропустил?
[11:35:55] piranha: нодоерланги всякие - потенциально большие бабки
[11:35:57] deepwalker: эрланг это модно?
[11:36:09] piranha: модно ли - какая разница?
[11:36:12] gigimon: это наверняка круто
[11:36:19] deepwalker: блин, после питона с его pip, virtualenv, erlang так уныл : (
[11:36:22] piranha: вопрос - получится ли зарубить кучу бабла и не обрыгаццо? :)
[11:36:28] piranha: но ерланг уныл
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[11:36:30] piranha: в этом поинт :)
[11:36:33] deepwalker: хотя может вот подолбаюсь пару неделек, и вкурю
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[11:39:35] piranha: http://monetdb.cwi.nl/
[11:39:37] piranha: шо это?
[11:39:41] piranha: :)
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[11:43:01] mishok13: это отрыжка
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[11:44:43] mishok13: <example> { fn:concat("Hello"," ","World") } </example>
[11:44:51] mishok13: и что тут еще добавить, собственно
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[11:45:45] webninja: ок
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[11:55:43] mishok13: http://www.developers.org.ua/archives/rO_ot/2010/12/27/ftp-svn/
[11:55:51] piranha: пиздец этот базар
[11:56:04] piranha: слил изменения и абсолютно без дупля, какие чувак сделал, а какие пришли снаружи
[11:56:15] piranha: шо делать - нихера не пойму, как плять раздуплицо :|
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[11:56:37] piranha: merge, merge, merged, remerge, merge fix, merge merge, merge fucking shit!
[11:56:43] piranha: mishok13: это кстати эпик вин :)
[11:57:04] mishok13: меня вообще сейчас переполняют эмоции
[11:57:12] mishok13: причем, весьма различного спектра
[11:57:13] piranha: по поводу фтп?
[11:57:36] mishok13: от "какого же блядь хуя" до "да на нахуй"
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[11:57:41] mishok13: ага, именно по этому поводу
[11:58:26] piranha: s/на/ну/
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[11:58:54] mishok13: у меня эмоциональный шок, я могу чаще делать опечатки
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[12:02:31] piranha: я понимаю =)
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[12:02:41] piranha: но некоторые трекают версии папочками, так шо не сцо!
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[12:03:46] mishok13: так, это вот не надо здесь
[12:03:54] mishok13: ужасы нашего городка какие-то
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[12:28:51] wiz_: а есть в SQL какой-нибудь insert-or-update универсальный?
[12:29:01] wiz_: атомарный
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[12:30:27] mishok13: в стандарте нету
[12:30:39] mishok13: begin transaction зато в стандарте есть
[12:30:58] wiz_: вот только в реализациях нету
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[12:31:39] mishok13: брось каку
[12:31:59] mishok13: s/каку/MySQL/
[12:32:11] piranha: в мускуле есть
[12:32:20] piranha: кроме того, там есть хендлерсокет, а в постгресе нет, во
[12:32:25] mishok13: чо, даже в дефолтном myisam появилось?
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[12:32:50] wiz_: а в sqlite?
[12:32:58] piranha: mishok13: кого волнует майисам?
[12:33:19] mishok13: http://www.sqlite.org/lang_transaction.html
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[13:10:29] wiz_: /me походу не умеет готовить редис
[13:10:52] wiz_: даже sqlite его уделывает на ops/s
[13:11:00] mishok13: http://www.developers.org.ua/archives/rO_ot/2010/12/27/ftp-svn/#comment-119663160 ну ыхыххыххых кто бы мог подумать
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[13:21:41] wiz_: может кто проверить говнокодец? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~wiz/%2Bjunk/prevalence/annotate/head:/rmatch.py#L73
вроде всё правильно, но код io-bound и сливает всем остальным бэкендам со страшной силой
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[13:24:15] deepwalker: я вот чего то не понял - lftp же умеет только новые файлы заливать
[13:24:19] deepwalker: ну и вообще синкать
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[13:24:33] deepwalker: без номеров ревизий
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[13:26:18] deepwalker: а svn - я тут недавно спросил на местном форему - а какого вы все сидите на svn-e? там такие отмазки про обучение сотрудников понеслись, и нереальные затраты
[13:26:27] _lorien: по-моему проще выделять подмножество файлов проекта, те которые изменились, и заливать их в режиме перезаписи существующих
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[13:29:12] cutwater: deepwalker: пыщь. я вчера спросить хотел. ты twisted.words слышал чего-нибудь?
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[13:29:37] deepwalker: писал на нем как-то давно бота
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[13:29:46] deepwalker: нормальный words
[13:29:47] cutwater: ну и как для работы с жабером он нормально
[13:29:50] cutwater: или есть что полушле
[13:29:53] cutwater: *получше
[13:30:01] cutwater: или свой велосипед можно написать?
[13:30:04] cutwater: или лучше на плюсцах
[13:30:09] cutwater: или дикий поток сознания...
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[13:30:16] deepwalker: для чего, начнем с этого : )
[13:30:36] cutwater: хм... для очередного бота с блекджеком и шлюхами
[13:30:49] novus42: xmpppy
[13:31:25] cutwater: ну а кроме названия. можно обозначить некоторые детали?
[13:31:25] mishok13: только не на плюсах
[13:31:32] mishok13: ну, разве что с boost asio
[13:31:36] mishok13: и то
[13:31:37] deepwalker: twisted.words вполне канает для бота
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[13:31:48] mishok13: на хаскеле
[13:31:49] mishok13: !
[13:31:55] cutwater: mishok13: gloox же
[13:32:10] cutwater: ну я хочу бота к нему наверно базу прикрутить... м.б. монгу попробовать таки
[13:32:14] mishok13: не слыхал о такой
[13:32:18] deepwalker: в чем плюс твистеда - то что в нем не только xmpp
[13:32:43] cutwater: mishok13: м.б. на эрланге еще ?
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[13:32:49] deepwalker: cutwater, короче можешь юзать вордсы
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[13:32:54] cutwater: ок. гратс.
[13:33:12] deepwalker: монго драйвер пошукай на гитхабе, та месть
[13:33:15] deepwalker: там есть
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[13:33:26] mishok13: на эрланге неинтересно будет
[13:33:27] deepwalker: fiorix что ли написал, как то так
[13:33:31] cutwater: ну для питона думаю не проблема найти
[13:33:37] mishok13: а на хаскеле, монады, стрелки, теория категорий!
[13:33:42] deepwalker: для твистеда, не путай : )
[13:33:53] cutwater: эм.. а при чем тут для твистеда?
[13:33:54] deepwalker: просто для питона это pymongo
[13:34:03] deepwalker: о, запущено : )
[13:34:11] cutwater: мне от твистеда надо только xmpp
[13:34:24] deepwalker: так не бывает
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[13:35:03] cutwater: ясно
[13:35:04] deepwalker: твистед это не просто библиотека с xmpp
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[13:35:29] deepwalker: чтобы ее использовать, надо запустить шедулер, в данном случае это реактор
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[13:35:57] deepwalker: который будет собственно пакетики тудой сюдой, управление передавать куда надо и тп
[13:36:17] cutwater: окей. но каким боком тут монго. я имею ввиду почему нельзя пользовать стандартный драйвер
[13:36:36] deepwalker: потому что он не под твистед
[13:36:41] deepwalker: он блокирующий
[13:36:43] cutwater: я описание драйвера для твистеда прочитал но честное слово несколько не понимаю в чем сложности
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[13:39:10] deepwalker: cutwater, ну у тебя два варианта - первый - учишь твистед, и врубаешься, в чем сложности. Второй - xmppy, или как та ее
[13:39:15] novus42: кто-нибудь пробовал Джанговские юниттесты писать к приложению которое использует CouchDB? ./manage.py test ничего знать не хочет потому, что база данных, мол не указана
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[13:40:07] mishok13: deferToThread хыхыхыхыхыы!
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[13:41:47] deepwalker: mishok13, он же не понимает в чем сложность :) тут я подумал, что столько времени у меня уже нет
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[13:41:59] Hanzo is now Audacious: Truly Madly Deeply by Savage Garden on Savage Garden (4:34)
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[13:44:57] Hanzo is now Audacious: Truly Madly Deeply by Savage Garden on Savage Garden (4:34)
[13:44:58] Hanzo is now Audacious: All Out Of Love by Air Supply on Love Songs (4:00)
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[13:48:53] cutwater: deepwalker: ну ладно. просто мне решительно непонятно как твистед конфликтует с обычным браузером
[13:48:57] Hanzo is now Audacious: All Out Of Love by Air Supply on Love Songs (4:00)
[13:48:59] Hanzo is now Audacious: Circle by Edie Brickell & New Bohemians on Shooting Rubberbands At The Stars (3:13)
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[13:49:29] deepwalker: с каким браузером??
[13:49:37] deepwalker: что такое блин твистед?
[13:49:46] deepwalker: это асинхронный фреймворк
[13:49:50] deepwalker: где тут браузер??
[13:50:05] deepwalker: _асинхронный_!!!
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[13:50:07] mishok13: тсс
[13:50:10] erraen is now online
[13:50:27] deepwalker: оттого и проблемы, что пихать в него синхронную либу не айс, хотя и можно
[13:51:45] Hanzo is now Audacious: Circle by Edie Brickell & New Bohemians on Shooting Rubberbands At The Stars (3:13)
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[13:52:12] Hanzo is now Audacious: Circle by Edie Brickell & New Bohemians on Shooting Rubberbands At The Stars (3:13)
[13:52:14] Hanzo is now Audacious: Perfect Day by Lou Reed on The Very Best Of (3:48)
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[13:55:58] Hanzo is now Audacious: Somewhere Only We Know by Keane on Hopes And Fears (3:59)
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[13:59:57] Hanzo is now Audacious: Somewhere Only We Know by Keane on Hopes And Fears (3:59)
[13:59:59] Hanzo is now Audacious: Woman by John Lennon on Imagine (3:30)
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[14:03:27] Hanzo is now Audacious: Woman by John Lennon on Imagine (3:30)
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[14:07:14] Hanzo is now Audacious: dvash hakol dvash by Unknown on (3:45)
[14:07:28] cutwater: deepwalker: имел ввиду с монгой
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[14:07:36] cutwater: сорри думал о другом
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[14:10:59] Hanzo is now Audacious: Hard To Say I'm Sorry by Chicago on The Story, Complete Greatest Hits (3:49)
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[14:11:46] Hanzo is now Audacious: Hard To Say I'm Sorry by Chicago on The Story, Complete Greatest Hits (3:49)
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[14:18:58] Hanzo is now Audacious: Don't Panic by Coldplay on Parachutes (2:16)
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[14:21:14] Hanzo is now Audacious: Making Love Out Of Nothing At All by Air Supply on Love Songs (5:39)
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[14:26:59] Hanzo is now Audacious: Âîëÿ È Ðàçóì: 20 Ëåò Ñïóñòÿ by Àðèÿ on ×óæîé (4:35)
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[14:31:27] Hanzo is now Audacious: Âîëÿ È Ðàçóì: 20 Ëåò Ñïóñòÿ by Àðèÿ on ×óæîé (4:35)
[14:31:28] Hanzo is now Audacious: Crazy by Seal on The Best Of 1991-2004 (4:02)
[14:31:48] Hanzo is now Audacious: Crazy by Seal on The Best Of 1991-2004 (4:02)
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[14:32:14] nmk: а никто tail --follow=name на питоне не встречал?
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[14:35:26] wiz: а что это?
[14:35:27] Hanzo is now Audacious: Crazy by Seal on The Best Of 1991-2004 (4:02)
[14:35:29] Hanzo is now Audacious: Ìåññèÿ by Àðèÿ on Àðìàãåääîí (4:38)
[14:35:31] wiz: вроде обычный тейл
[14:35:55] Tony: tail -f чтоли это ?
[14:36:12] nmk: не. обычный тайл это по дескриптеру. а когда follow=name, то он "по имени" типа. т.е. если файл переименуешь и создашь новый, то он будет таилить не старый, а новый
[14:36:17] wiz: а всё
[14:36:23] wiz: угу
[14:36:27] wiz: интересная штука
[14:36:42] Tony: интересно. даже не знал про такое.
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[14:36:49] Hanzo is now Audacious: Ìåññèÿ by Àðèÿ on Àðìàãåääîí (4:38)
[14:36:50] Tony: только хз где может понадобиться
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[14:36:54] nmk: да мне просто надо лог нгинкса мониторить. ну, что бы потом красивый отчет о среднем времени ответа и прочего рисовать
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[14:38:32] nmk: о. мож inotify заюзать :)
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[14:40:14] Hanzo is now Audacious: Best Of My Love by Eagles, The on The Very Best Of (4:36)
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[14:51:49] Hanzo is now Audacious: Ìå÷åíûé çëîì by Àðèÿ on Àðìàãåääîí (6:05)
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[14:56:44] Hanzo is now Audacious: Harvest Moon by Neil Young on Harvest Moon (5:04)
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[15:01:09] mishok13: не советую
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[15:01:44] Hanzo is now Audacious: Streets of Philadelphia by Bruce Springsteen on Greatest Hits (3:13)
[15:01:49] Hanzo is now Audacious: Streets of Philadelphia by Bruce Springsteen on Greatest Hits (3:13)
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[15:01:53] mishok13: лучше пайпить тейл сразу в твой скрипт
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[15:04:16] nmk: не советуешь inotify?
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[15:04:56] nmk: я принципе уже решил без inotify делать
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[15:04:59] Hanzo is now Audacious: The Trawlersman's Song by Mark Knopfler on Shangri-La (4:58)
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[15:09:59] Hanzo is now Audacious: All My Love by Led Zeppelin on Remasters (5:53)
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[15:18:58] Hanzo is now Audacious: Lay Lady Lay by Bob Dylan on The Best Of (3:17)
[15:18:59] Hanzo is now Audacious: Change The World by Eric Clapton on Chronicles, The Best Of (3:53)
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[15:22:59] Hanzo is now Audacious: Ãîðÿùàÿ ñòðåëà by Àðèÿ on Õèìåðà (4:10)
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[15:32:00] Hanzo is now Audacious: Íåáî òåáÿ íàéäåò by Àðèÿ on Õèìåðà (5:31)
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[15:42:25] creitve: в цикле for n in array как сделать, чтобы n не с нуля отсчитывал?
[15:42:28] Hanzo is now Audacious: Big Log by Robert Plant on Sixty Six To Timbuktu (5:02)
[15:42:30] Hanzo is now Audacious: Backwards And Forwards by Aztec Camera on Knife (4:09)
[15:44:21] piranha: creitve: array[неноль:]
[15:44:24] piranha: так штоле?
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[15:46:25] creitve: ну чтобы в самой первой итерации n было 1
[15:46:27] creitve: а не 0
[15:46:33] creitve: мм
[15:46:34] mishok13: wat
[15:46:37] creitve: а да поня
[15:46:41] creitve: *понял)
[15:46:43] Hanzo is now Audacious: Backwards And Forwards by Aztec Camera on Knife (4:09)
[15:46:45] Hanzo is now Audacious: Under The Same Sun by Scorpions on (4:53)
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[15:47:49] piranha: creitve: range штоле?
[15:48:23] webninja: ух ты coffee code прикольная штука
[15:49:05] creitve: да
[15:49:09] creitve: вспомнил ка кэто делается
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[15:51:20] nmk: enumerate?
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[15:51:43] Hanzo is now Audacious: Under The Same Sun by Scorpions on (4:53)
[15:51:45] Hanzo is now Audacious: ×óæîé by Àðèÿ on Àðìàãåääîí (5:03)
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[15:51:55] Hanzo is now Audacious: ×óæîé by Àðèÿ on Àðìàãåääîí (5:03)
[15:52:15] creitve: pirahna верно предположил
[15:52:24] evrial is now online
[15:52:26] creitve: xrange(n)[1:]:
[15:52:34] nmk: ох еба
[15:52:37] nmk: enumerate
[15:52:39] nmk: почитай
[15:52:41] creitve: спасибо
[15:52:42] creitve: мм
[15:52:45] nmk: а
[15:52:49] nmk: n просто число?
[15:53:14] creitve: да
[15:53:23] nmk: xrange(1, n), не?
[15:54:26] creitve: работает, не знал
[15:54:30] creitve: спасибо
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[15:55:34] nmk: я не знаю как у тебя работает xrange(n)[1:], честно говоря
[15:56:06] nmk: именно xrange
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[15:56:44] Hanzo is now Audacious: Õèìåðà by Àðèÿ '2001 on Õèìåðà (4:39)
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[15:58:26] webninja: я range юазю
[15:59:21] creitve: я в питоне неофит, сам не знаю как это работает
[15:59:22] creitve: )
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[16:01:14] Hanzo is now Audacious: Hallelujah by Leonard Cohen on More Best Of (6:54)
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[16:02:19] webninja: ну я тож не сильно давно стал прогать серьезно
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[16:30:55] slav0nic: пиздец уже mms спам приходит %)
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[16:33:50] creitve: какая библиотека используется для скачки файлов в папку?
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[16:34:59] slav0nic: лошадь
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[16:35:11] slav0nic: скачущая
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[16:37:41] gigimon: creitve: docs.python.org
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[16:38:39] creitve: gigimon не поверишь, я спрашиваю у вас название библиотеки, чтобы вбить в поиске питоновых доков
[16:39:20] gigimon: urllib
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[16:39:32] creitve: а, спасибо
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[17:04:14] wiz_: сделали блеять sql db api... всё равно костыли кругом )=
[17:04:17] wiz_: пичаль
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[17:27:21] deepwalker: хде?
[17:28:22] wiz_: в кодЕ
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[17:42:14] cutwater: piranha: ку. я там рассказывал о собеседовании
[17:42:19] cutwater: хм... я таки слишком мало денег прошу
[17:42:20] piranha: ага
[17:42:22] piranha: :)
[17:42:26] cutwater: им понравилось и они меня пригласили на завтра
[17:42:37] cutwater: высказать свое предложение.
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[17:42:45] piranha: гг
[17:44:34] cutwater: кстати сегодня сообщение пришло смешное
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[17:45:07] cutwater: Здравствуйте, %username%
как Вам работается в новой компании? вот наш руководитель до сих пор жалеет, что упустили Вас. из всех следующих претендентов Вы были лучшим!
[17:45:35] piranha: )
[17:45:48] cutwater: piranha: ну я наверно единственный кто досидел до конца собеседования
[17:46:16] cutwater: просто у одного из собеседовавших ну гхм... жутко воняло изо рта. и если бы он не ушел на время, я бы наверно ниасилил.
[17:46:47] mishok13: это ты куда собеседовался?
[17:46:55] cutwater: mishok13: на C++ Developer
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[17:47:08] cutwater: mishok13: ну когда они мне рассказали что у них за проекты мне как-то расхотелось совсем
[17:47:15] mishok13: компания?
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[17:50:35] cutwater: самое любопытное что таки я своим собеседованием был не доволен.
[17:50:47] cutwater: что настораживает, может действительно мало прошу денег :-D
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[17:53:15] mishok13: сколько просишь?
[17:53:34] mishok13: хотя бы больше 2k?
[17:54:36] piranha: он же не на фулл-тайм хочет, вроде
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[17:55:29] cutwater: piranha: на фултайм таки
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[17:56:16] piranha: а, на фултайм?
[17:56:31] cutwater: ну как бы да
[17:56:42] cutwater: 5й курс, диплом защитить и что тут осталось
[17:56:48] cutwater: я щас и так фултаймер
[17:56:52] piranha: так это ж летом, диплом-то?
[17:56:54] piranha: ну ок, я ж не против
[17:57:00] piranha: я имею в виду, что тогда мало
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[17:57:04] cutwater: хм...
[17:57:15] piranha: может надо не больше 2к, харьков я хз, но всë равно
[17:57:33] cutwater: ну да согласен.
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[17:58:03] cutwater: piranha: ну с учетом того что у меня нет опыта и я еще все таки студентота то я не наглей
[17:58:05] creitve: кому нужен полный архив xkcd.com?
[17:58:11] cutwater: выпущусь будет веселей
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[18:43:45] nmk: только мне ConfigParser кажется уебищным?
[18:44:04] webninja: не
[18:44:23] webninja: есть модный тренд юзать конструкции языка для конфиг файла
[18:44:38] webninja: ejabberd так например и делает
[18:44:49] webninja: такой вопрос
[18:45:04] nmk: ага. потом кто-нибудь пробелом мне там понаставит и сервер перезагрузит
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[18:45:30] webninja: напиши ATTENTION в начале
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[18:45:47] nmk: ага. его еще и прочитают, да.
[18:45:49] nmk: в торопях
[18:46:02] webninja: DO NOT USER SPACES. I'M SERIOUS AS FUCK. USE TABS INSTEAD.
[18:46:20] webninja: на тогда ты пожимаешь плечами
[18:46:40] webninja: и снисходительно посматривая на казуалов правишь код
[18:47:03] wiz: табы в моём pythonua?? no wai!
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[18:47:12] webninja: ну вон в джанге settings.py
[18:47:16] webninja: норм, я считаю
[18:47:17] webninja: короче порни
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[18:47:34] webninja: файлы (архивы) в базе хранить
[18:47:37] webninja: как думает? ае?
[18:47:46] webninja: небольшие
[18:47:56] webninja: там темплейты
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[18:48:08] nmk: да я не так выразился. чувак напишет

a=1
b=2

а мне ловить эти SyntaxError
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[18:48:18] webninja: ну я понял
[18:48:42] wiz: webninja, файлы в бд - уг
[18:48:51] webninja: почему?
[18:49:04] wiz: если ты задаёшь этот вопрос, значит тебе так делать не стоит
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[18:49:38] wiz: /me тут насмотрелся уже на кучи говна в базах форумов...
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[18:50:46] webninja: так
[18:50:55] webninja: значит в базе урлы только и инфу
[18:51:00] webninja: а файлы в папки
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[18:51:24] gigimon: зачем базу грузить лишний раз?
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[18:53:08] wiz: дело даже не в том, что грузить.. это просто тупо
[18:54:08] gigimon: ну, да)
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[18:55:31] piranha: где
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[18:57:52] webninja: да смотрю код. кираксу обязательно файлы нужны чтобы отрендерить блог. да?
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[18:58:27] webninja: ну т.е. не вызвать объект передать параметры и получить на выходе что нужно
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[18:59:24] piranha: чувак, ну ты шо, не играл в мортал комбат?
[18:59:28] piranha: сайракс
[18:59:39] piranha: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%B0%D0%B9%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BA%D1%81
[18:59:57] piranha: webninja: да, там захардкожено на наличие файлов, к сожалению
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[19:04:30] webninja: не не играл )
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[19:41:56] webninja: я хочу например поле key вычислять как функцию от id в модели
[19:42:07] webninja: как это сделать не перегружая метод save()
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[19:42:22] webninja: key = models.CharField(max_length=5)
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[19:43:50] gigimon: а почему не перегрузить save?
[19:44:19] webninja: хз может можно проще
[19:44:22] webninja: и короче
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[20:06:54] piranha: webninja: так если ты на основе id можешь вычислять, может тебе поле и не нужно?
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[20:11:54] gigimon: а подскажите пожалуйста, по джанге, чет я тут задумался, может по другмоу как-то можно сделать: http://dumpz.org/25890/
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[20:12:14] gigimon: как мне заполнять foreignkey в форме, помимо передачи объекта foreignkey в kwargs?
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[20:23:57] piranha: gigimon: self.user = kwargs.pop('user', None)
[20:24:13] gigimon: ок
[20:24:32] gigimon: piranha: т.е. как я сейчас передаю туда user это норма?
[20:24:42] piranha: ну в принципе да
[20:25:04] piranha: я обычно выделяю отдельный параметр, типа def __init__(self, user, *args, **kwargs):, но это уже дело вкуса
[20:25:40] gigimon: понятно
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[20:28:27] webninja: piranha: нужно поле на основе его будет генерироваться 5и значный файлнэйм
[20:28:51] gigimon: дык оно ж будет храниться в FileField
[20:29:06] gigimon: а тому можно передать метод, который сохраняет и обзывает файл
[20:29:07] webninja: в файлфилд другое будет хранится
[20:29:13] webninja: не
[20:31:14] webninja: чето не могу найти
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[20:31:16] webninja: блин
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[20:32:04] webninja: реально в модели при инициализации задать чтобы вызывалась функция которая возвращает значение которое присваивается элементу
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[20:33:10] webninja: есть для джанги компонент - таблицу выводить?
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[20:34:08] webninja: !g django tables
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[20:57:32] _lorien: gigimon, если ты используешь ModelForm, то тру вэй это передавать в ней параметром instance инстанс модели с заполненными полями (которые обязательны, и которые ты в форме не будешь заполнять)
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[21:50:01] webninja: блин
[21:50:11] webninja: Field.default¶ <http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/ref/models/fields/#django.db.models.Field.default> The default value for the field. This can be a value or a callable object. If callable it will be called every time a new object is created.
[21:50:22] webninja: !!!
[21:50:44] webninja: if not self.status:
self.status = 'UNSIGNED'
[21:50:51] webninja: чтобы такой херни не городить
[21:50:52] webninja: =)
[21:50:57] webninja: в save()
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[22:05:33] webninja: блин тока косяк There's no way to tell what the value of an ID will be before you call save(), because that value is calculated by your database, not by Django.
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[22:05:43] webninja: так что кое где перегруз save() необходим
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[22:17:46] wiz: Возможно вы имели в виду self.status = 'UNASSIGNED'? :clippy:
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[22:50:16] webninja: за время жизни объект проходит несколько статусов
[22:50:23] webninja: этот значит что он только что создался
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[23:47:58] gigimon: _lorien: форма modelform, но она создает потом экземпляр модели от данных пользователя, т.е. логичнее как есть сейчас. Чем заполнять модель, потом передавать ее в форму и потом только сохранять
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[23:57:21] webninja: If you need to create a relationship on a model that has not yet been defined, you can use the name of the model, rather than the model object itself: class Car(models.Model): manufacturer = models.ForeignKey('Manufacturer')
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[23:57:26] webninja: вот жеж ))
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[23:57:57] webninja: ваще канешно нехорошо что такая проблема вообще возникает
[23:58:04] webninja: смотрел бы вперед тоже
[23:58:22] gigimon: ты про что?
[23:58:30] webninja: ну определяешь например
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[23:58:34] gigimon: ты не про то
[23:58:53] webninja: template = models.ForeignKey(SiteTemplate)
[23:58:55] gigimon: у меня модель есть (объявлена уже), мне надо в нее передать экземпляр
[23:58:59] webninja: а тебе пишет ошибку
[23:59:04] gigimon: мне ниче не пишет)
[23:59:14] gigimon: да и как-бы я разобрался, пиранья подтвердил что ок
[23:59:17] webninja: если SiteTemplate после этой модели
[23:59:18] gigimon: а ты не про то сейчас
[23:59:24] webninja: да )