[00:00:37] piranha: gigimon: ну ты можешь проапгрейдить
[00:01:05] piranha: если твоя форма тока редактирует, то ты можешь
def __init__(self, user, *args, **kwargs):
super(…).__init__(instance=User(user=user), *args, **kwargs)
[00:01:16] piranha: тада в сейве уже будет готовая шняга
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[00:02:18] webninja: dest = opts.dest and opts.dest or op.join(source, "_build") <<< что это делает?
[00:02:20] gigimon: нее
[00:02:23] gigimon: она только создает)
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[00:02:56] gigimon: piranha: так мне не нравитсяс внешне, поэтому оставлю тот подход
[00:03:11] piranha: ок
[00:03:19] piranha: ой, я имел в виду "только создаëт"
[00:03:20] gigimon: всеравно это не особо отличается, внешне только
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[00:03:39] piranha: webninja: берëт opts.dest, если есть, а если нет, то op.join(source, '_build')
[00:04:06] webninja: opts.dest or op.join(source, "_build") а это не тоже самое?
[00:04:11] gigimon: а зачем дважды opts.dest
[00:04:44] gigimon: хотя это наверно порядок выполнения условных операторов
[00:05:03] webninja: ну у них равный приоритет
[00:05:08] webninja: по порядку должно идти
[00:05:24] piranha: webninja: то же самое
[00:05:40] webninja: это у тебя в сайраксе
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[00:07:14] webninja: понравилась функция removecommon(p1,p2) очень круто. надо почитатья про iterools
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[00:07:53] piranha: бывает, когда не задумываясь пишешь
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[00:08:53] webninja: о
[00:08:56] webninja: там еще тогда в конце
[00:09:24] webninja: if opts.webserver: start_server() else: site = Site() site.render
[00:10:07] webninja: возможно лучше отрендерить а потом запустить сервер попробовать, если опция есть?
[00:10:37] piranha: он перерендеривает
[00:10:56] webninja: а, гуд
[00:11:15] gigimon: хм
[00:11:17] piranha: эх, надо его на wsgiref переделать бы
[00:11:20] gigimon: а что вы такое рассматриваете?
[00:11:22] piranha: чтоб не было зависимости от черри
[00:11:27] piranha: gigimon: в сайраксе?
[00:11:32] gigimon: ссылку
[00:11:33] webninja: блин было бы неплохо все же динамически грузить контент и темплейт. скажи мне как тру девелопер, реально малой кровью используя наследование это реализовать?
[00:11:36] piranha: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/cyrax
[00:11:49] piranha: webninja: не знаю, смотря шо ты имеешь в виду
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[00:11:55] webninja: ну смотри
[00:11:58] webninja: я щаз пишу
[00:12:06] webninja: систему управления несколькими сайтами
[00:12:27] webninja: сайты генерируются с помощью cyrax но управление ими из единой админки на django
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[00:12:54] piranha: =)
[00:13:08] webninja: было бы удобнее чем файлы куидать туда сюда
[00:13:15] webninja: брать конфиги, темплейт с базы
[00:13:27] webninja: и выдавать уже готовый сайт
[00:13:30] piranha: ну, ты его там и редактировать можешь
[00:13:33] piranha: да, согласен
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[00:13:54] piranha: webninja: идея ок :)
[00:14:30] piranha: на тему - можно ли, не редактируя, сча такое сделать в сайраксе - есть сомнения, слишком завязано на файлы
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[00:14:44] piranha: вот бы переделать все реакции на сигналы, так наверное будет вернее всего...
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[00:16:45] gigimon: хм, интересная штука, еще б применение придумать :)
[00:16:54] webninja: есть применение
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[00:17:15] webninja: такие цмс на пхп пишут под себя обычно. вкривь и вкось
[00:17:31] webninja: к примеру есть у тебя задача делать сайты визитки
[00:17:33] webninja: клиентам
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[00:17:38] piranha: ага
[00:17:43] webninja: зачем эта лишняя скриптовая нагрузка?
[00:17:52] webninja: да еще и базы делать для каждого
[00:17:59] gigimon: ну это да
[00:18:06] gigimon: конфиг, темплейт, нагенерил и ок
[00:18:14] webninja: а так оппа сделал кучу для каждого хостинг по баксу взял и сидишь с одной админки рулишь
[00:18:32] piranha: ага, отличная тема
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[00:18:48] piranha: или такой - хопа, сделал свой блог, и 50 мегов на серваке освободилось
[00:18:49] piranha: :)
[00:19:00] webninja: да
[00:19:07] webninja: + бэкапы можно харнить у себя же
[00:19:10] webninja: на всякий случай
[00:19:16] webninja: сгенерил, заархивировал
[00:19:35] webninja: на фтп автоматом залилось, там же распаковался
[00:19:45] piranha: а можно ли в топе показать полную командную строку?
[00:20:01] piranha: можно, c
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[00:22:18] gigimon: чет я вспомнил movable type
[00:22:32] gigimon: тот весь блог перегенерировал при добавлении поста/коммента
[00:22:35] webninja: ага помню ставил
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[00:22:41] gigimon: на перле
[00:22:47] webninja: он и щаз вроде есть
[00:22:51] gigimon: есть
[00:22:57] gigimon: но вроде к динамике пошли
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[00:23:17] webninja: еще кстати немерянный плюс статики
[00:23:19] webninja: это скорость
[00:23:22] gigimon: еще б
[00:23:25] deepwalker: может мне мой магазин переделать в проект?
[00:23:26] piranha: ну, у меня весь блог перегенерируется при добавлении поста, но комментов нет :)
[00:23:28] gigimon: а еще в gzip ее
[00:23:34] deepwalker: а то тут такие перспективы статики открываются
[00:23:37] gigimon: deepwalker: конечно
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[00:23:39] webninja: я показывал парням блог piranha.org.ua
[00:23:42] piranha: deepwalker: ггг, любую нагрузку выдержишь
[00:23:45] webninja: говорю зацените скорость
[00:24:01] deepwalker: дык я его и кинул на GAE и не боюсь, что лимиты быстро выжрет :)
[00:24:03] piranha: webninja: надо было сказать, что это я у питона гил выпилил и на 90 ядрах выполняю
[00:24:05] deepwalker: хостинг 0 рублей
[00:24:09] piranha: deepwalker: =)
[00:24:11] webninja: да, статика щаз пипец модный тренд, решений почти нет.
[00:24:24] gigimon: ыы
[00:24:29] gigimon: возврат к истокам)
[00:24:39] webninja: тем более часть всяких красивостей
[00:24:43] webninja: можно на клиента повесить
[00:24:44] webninja: аякс
[00:24:46] webninja: то-се
[00:24:48] gigimon: piranha: ты еще в емаксе?
[00:25:01] deepwalker: webninja, я корзину в куки повесил
[00:25:27] gigimon: deepwalker: покажи магазин?
[00:25:32] deepwalker: а ajaz это уже не статика
[00:25:34] piranha: gigimon: больше некуда пока :(
[00:25:40] deepwalker: www.funnymummy.ru
[00:25:47] deepwalker: дизайн мой : ))
[00:26:07] gigimon: piranha: ты жаббер клиент из него юзаешь?
[00:26:13] piranha: не
[00:26:16] deepwalker: сорри за снег, но магазин дамксий
[00:26:30] webninja: личный шоп?
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[00:26:35] deepwalker: жены
[00:26:39] webninja: круто )
[00:26:41] piranha: deepwalker: ааа, тока хотел сказать, сразу вентилятор зажужжал
[00:26:53] piranha: предлагаю в "бельë для дам" впихнуть другую фотку
[00:26:54] webninja: жаббер я юзал с емакса. ну нах ) пиджин как бы есть.
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[00:26:59] piranha: щас
[00:27:07] piranha: http://i.imgur.com/4KAwy.jpg
[00:27:09] piranha: во, отличная
[00:27:27] gigimon: гг
[00:27:31] deepwalker: да , не плоха
[00:27:33] bobry: так, про django-mode таки не отправилось
[00:27:35] piranha: http://i.imgur.com/Akop5.jpg
[00:27:36] piranha: bkb nfv
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[00:27:38] piranha: или там
[00:27:42] bobry: всем емаксерам дегустировать https://github.com/myfreeweb/django-mode
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[00:28:01] deepwalker: ну там кстати та фирма закупила труселей где -то в польше, так что уже есть фотки более прикольные : )
[00:28:23] piranha: :)))
[00:28:25] gigimon: piranha: а какой клиент жаббер под мак?
[00:28:31] piranha: adium
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[00:28:41] gigimon: piranha: как сделать автовход в конфу?)
[00:28:56] gigimon: крутил, вертел, не нашел
[00:29:04] gigimon: deepwalker: самое главное
[00:29:08] piranha: gigimon: get info -> последний таб -> autojoin on connect
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[00:30:05] gigimon: piranha: спасибо большоеэ
[00:30:57] piranha: нп
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[00:33:17] webninja: bobry смотрел django-mode эту?
[00:33:28] bobry: webninja: тока доку пока
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[00:33:48] bobry: дописал бы кто indentation к django-html-mode
[00:35:14] webninja: о кстати
[00:35:23] webninja: темплейты да не очень удобно пилить
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[00:38:27] webninja: во! даже поиск решается просто
[00:38:35] webninja: через google.search
[00:38:37] webninja: =)
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[09:17:50] Hanzo is now Audacious: Áàë Ó Êíÿçÿ Òüìû by ÀÐÈß on Êðåùåíèå Îãíåì (5:59)
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[09:39:34] wiz_: мне кажется или redis-py какой-то говнокод?
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[10:01:57] mishok13: http://love5an.livejournal.com/356033.html
[10:02:06] mishok13: давайте пообсуждаем эту занятную статейку
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[10:05:36] denger_work: давайте
[10:05:39] denger_work: это бред
[10:05:42] denger_work: я кончил
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[10:06:56] piranha: mishok13: лень
[10:07:02] piranha: wiz: nfкой себе, был хуже
[10:07:16] piranha: если я правильно всë помню
[10:07:56] mishok13: denger_work, ты не прав, это набор аргументированой критики питона
[10:07:58] mishok13: надо прислушаться
[10:08:13] mishok13: piranha, а ну-ка быстро комментируй
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[10:08:32] wiz_: > В CL не принято писать фреймворки в стиле "куча говна".
На лиспе получаются исключительно блюдца мармеладу? :)
[10:08:34] wiz_: бгг
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[10:11:08] mishok13: как ты не понимаешь, ваш этот питон полон куч говна
[10:11:20] mishok13: вот посмотри например на setuptools!
[10:11:36] mishok13: сравни с ASDF или любым другим набором заглавных литер
[10:11:55] piranha: mishok13: слушай, ты чо, ктулху?
[10:12:01] piranha: спал неделю где-то, а теперь проснулся? :)
[10:12:25] mishok13: я болел почти всю прошлую неделю
[10:12:30] mishok13: :(
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[10:12:39] mishok13: поэтому пропустил кучу развлечений
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[10:14:33] mishok13: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/erzh1/monads_are_not_metaphors/c1ak8ka
[10:14:35] mishok13: ёбаный ад
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[10:17:15] denger_work: mishok13: а ты за лисп или просто трололо?
[10:17:34] mishok13: ох как тебе сказать
[10:17:42] mishok13: я против трололо, строго говоря
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[10:18:38] mishok13: в комонлиспе нету даже адекватной реализации mpi и биндингов к кюте, гтк и прочим
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[10:18:58] mishok13: поэтому для меня восторги по поводу cl слегка удивительны
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[10:20:28] mishok13: а вообще я за мир во всём мире
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[10:37:03] webninja: http://love5an.livejournal.com/356033.html
[10:37:06] webninja: бгг
[10:37:10] webninja: вброс
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[10:38:50] webninja: Средства разработки
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[10:39:05] webninja: говорит что для лиспа есть емакс мол
[10:39:14] webninja: а для питона плагины к эклипсу
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[10:39:31] webninja: Язык невероятно прост, если не сказать примитивен. Буквально, уровень Visual Basic.
[10:39:35] webninja: про питон хаха
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[11:04:03] wiz_: cython однако рулит — тупо скомпилил модуль, +30% к скорости
[11:05:45] piranha: webninja: так это наоборот, хорошо
[11:06:39] webninja: ну хз насчет сложности
[11:06:51] webninja: простота стинтаксиса (базовая) это канешно плюс
[11:07:03] webninja: но тонкостей тоже много
[11:07:14] webninja: + стандартлиб
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[11:08:50] wiz_: > Я написал на лиспе интернет-магазин
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[11:13:25] mishok13: ну это пацан к успеху пришел, я считаю
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[11:15:06] webninja: ого
[11:15:12] webninja: там есть фрэймворки?
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[11:27:44] piranha: webninja: конечно
[11:28:09] piranha: webninja: тонкостей много везде, но питон очень простой
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[11:29:08] webninja: ну да )
[11:29:21] webninja: ну а зачем сложности? вон с++ нагородили так что пипец
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[11:29:36] webninja: толстых книжек страуструпа полным полно
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[11:30:04] webninja: ява тож избыточен например
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[11:30:54] piranha: мне не надо доказывать :)
[11:31:18] webninja: внимание вопрос знатокам
[11:31:53] webninja: есть сайт например несколько страниц
[11:32:11] webninja: [stats][sites][templates]
[11:32:20] webninja: ну и формы для аплоада
[11:32:57] webninja: для каждой чтоли формы писать код?
[11:33:03] webninja: http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.2/topics/http/file-uploads/
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[11:34:24] webninja: блин придется писать одно и тоже
[11:35:15] denger_work: что значит одно и тоже?
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[11:42:35] webninja: ладно ща чето не могу сформулировать
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[13:01:01] webninja: The various layers of the framework shouldn’t “know” about each other unless absolutely necessary.
[13:01:05] webninja: верно
[13:01:25] webninja: piranha ты планируешь cyrax разивать?
[13:01:50] piranha: no
[13:01:56] piranha: мне его хватает пока
[13:01:56] webninja: fuck
[13:02:06] piranha: ога, мейнтейнить да - а развивать только по зову нужды
[13:02:44] webninja: блин. хоть свой пиши
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[13:14:53] slav0nic: webninja, их полно
[13:14:55] slav0nic: http://hg.notmyidea.org/pelican/ например
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[13:43:37] _lorien: По словам эксперта по автомобилям, журналиста Юрия Гейко, одна среднестатистическая поездка на работу и с работы в мороз - это фактически потеря 600 километров пробега.
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[13:44:16] wiz_: т.е. километраж на счётчике бежит в обратную сторону?
[13:44:39] _lorien: :)
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[13:45:02] _lorien: не, в обратную он бежит, только когда на эвакуаторе машину везут :)
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[14:05:45] piranha: _lorien: а еще крутить движок низя!
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[14:14:57] cutwater: deepwalker: слушай а такой к тебе вопрос, если пользовать postgresql или еще чего-нибудь то с твистедом будут те же проблемы?
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[14:16:35] deepwalker: ессно, но там обертка тредовая есть
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[14:16:42] deepwalker: + есть нативные дрова
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[14:16:51] cutwater: хм... понятно
[14:17:01] wiz_: если юзать cython и в пакете лежит уже .c, то при инсталляции pip-ом нужен будет Cython или оно его так скомпилит?
[14:17:01] deepwalker: твистед короче вещь в себе
[14:17:28] deepwalker: wiz_, а ты там не должен сам описать?
[14:17:43] cutwater: deepwalker: ясно
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[14:18:15] deepwalker: cutwater, ничего тебе не ясно :-P
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[14:18:40] cutwater: ну с твистедом я раньше не работал, как бы логику этого всего не понимаю. а что делать то разбираться придется наверно
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[14:19:33] deepwalker: ну твистед это просто один из представителей, с асинхронностью тебе в общем надо разобраться
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[14:21:10] cutwater: deepwalker: дык я вообще асинхронность себе представляю, применимо к плюсам
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[14:21:55] deepwalker: а как она там?
[14:21:58] cutwater: я пока не могу уловить вот этой всей сути проблемы, почему у нас в асинхронном твистеде такие проблемы с синхронными базами данных
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[14:22:07] deepwalker: там ест ькорутины?
[14:22:18] cutwater: deepwalker: ну как она там. boost::asio, виндовые асинхронные сокеты и т.п.
[14:22:35] Typhon: http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_39_0/doc/html/boost_asio.html http://www.crystalclearsoftware.com/soc/coroutine/
[14:22:52] cutwater: линуксовый epoll
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[14:23:56] cutwater: deepwalker: а вот сути проблемы которая с твистедом и монгой / другими драйверами не вижу.... не укладывается это в мою логику и представление того как это работает
[14:23:58] _lorien: cutwater: потому что стиль написания под асинхронный твистед подразумевает, что ты используешь такие функции, которые могут прерываться на какой-то стадии исполнения и передавать управление другим функциям. А когда ты работаешь с бинарным драйвером бд обычным, то там нихрена не прерывается и все ждут, пока запрос к бд отработает. Я так это понял.
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[14:24:47] _lorien: т.е. вся эта асинхронность стопорится и всевсе ждут, пока один запрос к бд отработает т.е. пока работает бд, твоя программа ждёт её, хотя могла бы чо-нить другое в этот момент делать.
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[14:24:52] огыешсук: в россии, говорят, опять неожиданно наступила погода
[14:25:06] _lorien: я купил машину и она блять не заводится :)
[14:25:16] slav0nic: зачёт))
[14:25:23] _lorien: вызвал тех.помощь, ща если заведует, поеду поменяю свечи
[14:25:26] slav0nic: лыжи купил бы
[14:25:33] _lorien: может ещё фильтры и масло
[14:25:37] cutwater: _lorien: ну я себе это примерно так и представлял. но вот какой-то сверх проблемы я тут не вижу
[14:25:57] _lorien: cutwater: просто нахрен тебе ваще тогда асинхронность, еслит ты упрёшься в бд?
[14:26:14] _lorien: асинхронность хороша, когда много потоков исполнения и ты снижаешь затраты на их обработу
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[14:26:50] cutwater: _lorien: кстати есть глупая идея по соединению с базой на поток
[14:26:53] _lorien: вместо кучи процессов или тредов, ты работаешь в одном процессе, который прыгает по "виртуальным" нитям, каждая из которых прерывают свою работу и передаёт точку исполнения в другую нить
[14:27:17] cutwater: но это в том случае если есть пул потоков и не нужно обеспечивать синхронизацию между соединениями
[14:27:18] _lorien: cutwater: если у тебя аснихронная программа, то реально поток один )
[14:27:36] _lorien: даже если у тебя будет тыща виртуальных потоков, то всё равно соеденение с бд будет стопорить тот один реальный поток
[14:27:45] _lorien: который прыгает по виртуальным
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[14:28:04] _lorien: знаешь как делают
[14:28:14] _lorien: заводят отдельный физический поток, который работает с бд
[14:28:15] cutwater: _lorien: ну если говорить не о питоне а о том как бы я это делал на плюсах, то даже если программа асинхронная потоков там таки несколько
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[14:28:30] _lorien: а в другом потоке пускают асинхронный сервер и его виртуальные нити общаются с тем потоком, где бд
[14:28:44] cutwater: логично
[14:28:45] _lorien: а в том потоке можно сделать несколько соеденение к бд, в разных потоках
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[14:29:23] cutwater: _lorien: ну если поток обработчик бд вынести отдельно то тут хватит уже и одного соединения в принципе. некая имитация асинхронности работы с базой.
[14:29:34] _lorien: нет
[14:29:45] _lorien: именно что потоков к бд должно быть несколько :)
[14:30:06] _lorien: иначе тогда поток к бд будет занят запросом одним и другие виртуальные потоки всё равно не смогут обратиться к бд и будут ждать этот поток :)
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[14:30:34] cutwater: _lorien: вот гхм.. с понятием виртуальных потоков, гринлетами и т.п. я не знаком
[14:30:36] _lorien: короче я показал направление мысли, я в этом не разбираюсь ващета :)
[14:31:07] cutwater: я пытаюсь мыслить в терминах и логике работы тяжеловесных потоков,.
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[14:33:35] _lorien: Если про gevent говорить, то проблему общения с бд решают тем, что используют питонячие драйвера, которые работают через сокет, который уже патчится gevent либой :)
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[14:34:14] _lorien: Просто юзаешь питонячий драйвера и у тебя бд начинает асинхронно работать грубо говоря. Ну или пишут всякие грабли с отдельными-потоками-соеденениями к бд.
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[14:44:32] piranha: хто-нить шарит в шелле?
[14:44:41] piranha: как проще всего выполнить одну из двух команд?
[14:44:51] piranha: типа первую, если есть, и вторую, если первой нет
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[14:45:05] piranha: через тупой иф я могу, мож есть какой-то короткий способ?
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[14:46:13] wiz_: not | really | echo
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[14:46:53] wiz_: тоесть ||
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[14:50:08] webninja: надо свой делать. потратить кучу времени
[14:50:29] Zubchick: чето я не пойму как правильно raise StopIteration() или raise StopIteration работает и так и так :D
[14:50:34] Zubchick: как правильно?)
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[14:50:46] Zubchick: как так вообще мб.
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[15:01:10] piranha: !voice the_nexor
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[15:01:17] the_nexor: господа
[15:01:18] piranha: !voice razum2um
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[15:01:25] the_nexor: у вас тут разрешен мат?
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[15:02:22] cutwater: the_nexor: я тебя кажется уже где-то видел
[15:03:01] the_nexor: cutwater: а я тебя кажется нет
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[15:03:04] piranha: the_nexor: апвс?
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[15:03:34] cutwater: the_nexor: мне кажется в php@ нет? был у нас такой nexor///
[15:03:45] the_nexor: там другой
[15:03:50] the_nexor: самозванец
[15:04:01] cutwater: хм однако
[15:04:08] the_nexor: уймите вашего магического пони пожалуйста
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[15:04:18] the_nexor: после каждого сообщения мне пишет
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[15:04:38] the_nexor: так вот
[15:05:06] the_nexor: если без мата, то я испытал значительные моральные и ментальные муки, прежде чем мне удалось зайти на конференцию.
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[15:05:52] the_nexor: А вопрос мой очень прост: эксепшены, кидаемые из модуля A, должны ловиться в модуле B ?
[15:06:15] piranha: the_nexor: не особо он понятен, хоть и прост
[15:06:22] piranha: они просто в модуле кидаются или в одной из функций?
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[15:06:38] piranha: если в одной из функций, и ты эту функцию используешь, то естественно должны
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[15:09:22] the_nexor: в модуле есть класс, в нем в одном из методов кидается эксепшн. А в другом модуле вызывается этот метод и ловится эксепшн. Но только он не ловится почему то.
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[15:11:33] piranha: где-то проблема, но точно не в такой странно магии
[15:11:40] piranha: *не в такой странной
[15:12:10] the_nexor: может ли быть проблема в том что в одном модуле тип эксепшена CommandException а в другом main.CommandException ?
[15:12:26] the_nexor: но все импортится нормально
[15:12:40] the_nexor: и когда кидаю и ловлю то префикс main не пишу к типу
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[15:42:20] wiz_: /me отрелизил на pypi свой первый никому не нужный говнокодец :3
[15:42:39] piranha: :)
[15:42:53] piranha: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/FeatureStore/1.0
[15:42:57] piranha: многовиз?
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[15:43:27] piranha: wiz: дока негодная
[15:43:29] piranha: :)
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[15:43:59] wiz_: да кстати
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[15:44:26] wiz_: третий день уже полирую
[15:44:55] piranha: 1) ридми надо, а то я так и не понял, втф; 2) у тебя с мылом траблы
[15:45:44] wiz_: а что с мылом?
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[15:45:48] wiz_: > ?
[15:46:04] piranha: wiz <wiz <email>>
[15:46:05] mishok13: что это вообще?
[15:46:13] piranha: mishok13: это секрет
[15:46:19] piranha: пустой ридми намекает же
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[15:47:01] mishok13: пустой ридми отличен для персональных проектов
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[15:48:01] wiz_: мм... а фигли я в MANIFEST добавил .c, а он всёравно в sdist не появился => зафейлил установку из пипа?
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[15:48:20] piranha: wiz: MANIFEST.in
[15:48:28] piranha: recursive-include *.c
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[15:48:36] piranha: recursive-include yourpackagedir *.c
[15:49:01] piranha: include_package_data=True,
и такой параметр передай
[15:49:05] piranha: в setup()
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[15:49:56] wiz_: так это ж не дата
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[15:53:13] piranha: wiz: а, ну да
[15:53:23] piranha: не знаю тада, я с сишными штуками сетапы не писал
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[15:56:00] wiz_: во, просралось
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[15:57:49] wiz_: а как ему _pypi_hidden сразу поставить? просто в setup() дописать?
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[15:58:52] wiz_: это видимо чтобы оно в лентах аплоадов не светилось
[15:58:59] wiz_: там в вебморде галочка есть
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[16:08:11] wiz_: а можно как-нибудь сделать сишный модуль опциональным?
[16:08:16] wiz_: типа не скомпилился и хер бы с ним
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[16:21:12] mishok13: посмотреть как simplejson это делает?
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"optional C speed-enhancement module",
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[17:33:42] mishok13: reduce(lambda x, y: x + y, filter(lambda x: x is not '\x00', (__builtins__.chr(((2 << 6) ^ (3597916455199347325967695465737626822729780829273697332280779292843268211865727351528594926609089993278163080320L >> (7 * _))) & ((63 << 1) + 1)) for _ in range(1 << 12, 0, -1))), str())
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[17:38:18] piranha: wow
[17:38:23] piranha: mishok13: даже лучше, чем у нас
[17:38:25] piranha: где это?
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[17:39:29] mishok13: только что придумал
[17:39:44] piranha: mishok13: не боишься получить молнию в жопу?
[17:39:53] mishok13: у нас только что свет отключился
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[17:39:58] mishok13: на две секунды
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[17:40:07] mishok13: возможно это как-то связано с этим кодом
[17:41:23] mishok13: у нас тут просто соревнование по прятанью malicious кода
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[17:43:58] nmk: как бы это сделать почеловечески? :)
reduce(lambda x, y: os.path.dirname(x), [__file__] * 3)
типа 3 раза надо выполнить os.path.dirname
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[18:19:58] piranha: dn = os.path.dirname
dn(dn(dn(__file__)))
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[18:25:34] nmk: piranha: :)
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[18:26:57] piranha: nmk: ну а чо выкаблучиваться, реально? :)
[18:27:17] nmk: да я думал мож что стандартное есть
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[18:35:30] mishok13: ага, y combinator
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[18:38:11] nmk: combinator?
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[18:38:41] mishok13: он самый
[18:38:49] mishok13: через него выражаешь нюмерал чёрча три
[18:39:01] mishok13: и вот ему уже передаешь нужную тебе лямбду
[18:39:06] mishok13: по-моему, гениально
[18:39:19] nmk: что такое combinator? :)
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[18:40:35] mishok13: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed_point_combinator
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[18:42:09] nmk: mishok13: спасибо, да. :)
[18:42:38] mishok13: nmk, ты только не вздумай воспринимать это как что-то иное, чем шутку
[18:43:00] nmk: да ты чо. я уже закодил как там в примере. ;)
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[18:47:24] mishok13: а, ну ок
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[18:53:37] wiz: /me прочитал вики и нихрена не понял
[18:53:47] wiz: я идиот объясните мне кто-нибудь
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[18:55:14] mishok13: я раз 20 читал перед тем как понять
[18:55:19] mishok13: и это, замечу, проще чем монада сраная
[18:56:06] wiz: в чём профит f(p) = p? o_O
[18:56:25] wiz: кроме того, чтобы завернуть значение в callable
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[19:01:35] mishok13: профит в отсутствии возможностей для рекурсии в лямбда-исчислениях без этой хреновины
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[19:16:31] wiz: In [54]: %timeit Z(lambda f: lambda x: 1 if x == 0 else x * f(x-1))(100)
1000 loops, best of 3: 916 us per loop
In [55]: %timeit defact(100)
10000 loops, best of 3: 171 us per loop
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[19:18:09] wiz: точно также вылетает с recusion depth при больших значениях, только ещё и медленей
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[20:01:14] wiz: /me осилил генератор church numerals для y-комбинатора но так нихрена и не понял
[20:01:26] Typhon: про ycomb была недавно статья step by step
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[20:01:35] Typhon: на б-гмерзком жс, правда
[20:02:53] Typhon: http://igstan.ro/posts/2010-12-01-deriving-the-y-combinator-in-7-easy-steps.html
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[20:08:36] webninja: class UploadTemplateForm(forms.Form):
title = forms.CharField(max_length=50, label="Title")
template = forms.FileField(upload_to="templates", label="Select file")
[20:08:47] webninja: а можно как нибудь расширение задавть?
[20:09:00] webninja: есть FilePathField там есть метод match
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[20:09:28] Typhon: тут о Высоком, а ты со своей джангой! ^_^
[20:09:52] Typhon: webninja, олсо, может лучше в сторону MIME посмотреть всяких, если ты насчет типов паришься?
[20:10:09] webninja: мне только расширение проверить
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[20:12:30] webninja: жестко бы задавалось
[20:12:44] webninja: как вариант можно канешно проверять на этапе отсыла и выводить эррор
[20:12:45] webninja: но бля
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[20:14:23] wiz: http://dumpz.org/26000/
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[20:15:42] Typhon: если бы у фейсбука была кнопка "да вы ебанулись", я бы сейчас нажал
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[21:11:01] creitve: Typhon спасибо за ту помощь заработал скрипт)
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[21:20:25] wiz: mishok13, я правильно понял, что генератор 0й нумерал всегда выдаёт \x.x вне зависимости от аргумента?
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[21:24:43] Typhon: \xy.y -- вот ноль
[21:24:45] Typhon: он же false
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[21:27:02] wiz: откуда он false?
[21:27:39] wiz: ну да \fx.x
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[21:29:53] wiz: типа оно больше не callable, да?
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[21:55:09] Typhon: \xy.x это false в лябмда исчислении
[21:55:20] Typhon: он же -- ноль :)
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[21:56:02] Typhon: я хз, что-то такое callable терминах ЛИ -- лямбда-абстракция?
[21:56:17] wiz: определение то это понятно. я про «физический смысл»
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[21:57:33] Typhon: после аппликации этой лямбда абстракции получится некий терм, может и коллейбл %)
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[21:58:30] Typhon: ну точнее, после двух аппликаций (из-за шёнфенкилизации ^_^ (каррирования))
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[21:59:39] wiz: ну в общем да, поэтому остановку я и сделал тупо через порядок, а не на callable
[22:00:19] wiz: а вот как проверить на identity я и хз
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[22:05:03] wiz: /me нашёл применение identity функциям...
[22:05:31] wiz: o = lambda x:x
(o)(o)
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[22:16:37] Typhon: :-)
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[22:19:34] Typhon: опять же, где-то недавно видел размышления на тему, "зачем может быть ползена id"
[22:19:50] Typhon: ну кроме того, что в SKI участвetn
[22:19:52] Typhon: *ует
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[22:24:57] el-hesus: добрый вечер, вопрос к знатокам telnet , как получить многострочный вывод?
[22:25:55] el-hesus: выбрасывает после 15 строк ---More--- и ждёт нажатие пробела(((
[22:26:11] el-hesus: вроде как в интерактивном режиме
[22:27:01] wiz: серверу пошли команду отключения пейджера
[22:27:07] wiz: телнет ни при чём тут
[22:27:51] el-hesus: это свитч, ща гляну где это делается
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[22:29:11] wiz: какой?
[22:30:01] el-hesus: Эйджкор
[22:30:12] wiz: ек
[22:30:17] el-hesus: ES3526S
[22:30:28] wiz: terminal datadump попробуй
[22:30:39] wiz: или terminal length 0
[22:32:47] el-hesus: line vty - типа оно?
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[22:33:44] wiz: попробуй, узнаешь (=
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[22:33:49] wiz: вроде нет
[22:34:25] el-hesus: тогда ничего похожего, я уже искал, ещё смотрю, но ненашел
[22:34:28] wiz: Ω := ω ω # :coolface:
[22:34:37] wiz: terminal length 0
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[22:35:27] el-hesus: это в конфиге свичка указать надо? или в скрипте?
[22:35:42] wiz: в скрипте
[22:35:49] wiz: сразу после авторизации пиши и будет ок
[22:36:37] wiz: def after_connect(self):
self._telnet.write(settings.TELNET_USER, settings.TELNET_PASSWORD)
self._telnet.write('terminal length 0')
[22:36:39] wiz: у меня так
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[22:38:42] wiz: и потом read_until('#', timeout=4)
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[22:46:55] wiz: Typhon, а можно сделать как-нибудь по-простому чтобы \fxyz каррировалась сама?
[22:47:16] wiz: ну типа autocurry(lambda x,y,z:...) ?
[22:47:33] wiz: ладно, завтра сам подумаю (=
[22:48:25] Typhon: типа чтобы если с недостаточным числом аргументов -- возвращал функцию?
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[22:49:04] Typhon: я делал такой декоратор, там только с *args, **kwargs, емнип, проблемы были
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[22:49:16] Typhon: типа непонятно, пора или не пора ^_^
[22:52:11] el-hesus: wiz, я так понимаю, у мну оно не проканывает (( мабуть свитч не понимает
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[22:54:17] wiz: попробуй terminal datadump
[22:54:30] el-hesus: аналогично
[22:54:34] wiz: но вообще для эджкоров length 0 должно быть
[22:54:45] wiz: может ты переносы не так шлёшь?
[22:54:50] wiz: или ещё что-нибудь в этом духе
[22:56:37] el-hesus: tn = telnetlib.Telnet("10.10.100.102","23",float("2"))
tn.read_until("Username: ")
tn.write("noc\n")
tn.read_until("Password: ")
tn.write("123456\n")
tn.read_until('Vty-0#')
[22:57:09] el-hesus: потом собсно tn.write('terminal length 0')
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[22:59:40] wiz: не надо юзернейма ждать, фигарь прям так
[22:59:50] wiz: и рид антил делай '#'
[22:59:59] wiz: с таймаутом
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[23:08:37] el-hesus: ---More--- уже нету, но не до конца таблицы отдаёт , 21 строка только
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[23:11:20] wiz: какая команда?
[23:11:41] wiz: кстати что сработало length или dump?
[23:12:17] el-hesus: всё таки не terminal там, другое что-то, одинаково ругается на обе надписи
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[23:13:45] el-hesus: спасибо, завтра снова cli свичка теребить буду? ljk;yj yfqnbcm )))
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[23:14:07] wiz: если не решишь, дёрни меня ещё раз, я поближе к железу буду (:
[23:14:30] wiz: у нас там тоже целый зоопарк - сиски, линксисы и теперь вот эджкоры привезли
[23:15:10] el-hesus: ок, тока у мну жабер с работы не заводится чегото
[23:15:18] el-hesus: аська есть?
[23:16:23] wiz: /me давно уже прекратил насиловать труп
[23:16:53] el-hesus: )))))))
[23:17:03] wiz: http://chat.mymcomm.net/#pythonua@conference.jabber.ru например или любая другая морда
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[23:18:37] el-hesus: хм, а ларчик, просто открывался... )))
[23:18:47] el-hesus: тогда до завтра
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