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[00:07:50] creitve: а как обычно происходит разработка django-проекта на хостинге? ну то есть как синхронизировать pydev и удалённый хостинг, как использовать git с django?
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[00:59:31] creitve: Typhon ты не знаешь? или спишь уже?)
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[01:00:46] Typhon: git не люблю, pydev не знаю, с джанго не работаю %) разработку веду в имаксе, неважно, где, на локальной или удалённой машине %) hg и emacs -- вот мой ответ! ^_^
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[02:30:21] dotcomdotru: Скажите мне пожалуйста у нас структуру данных, хранящую уникальные отсортированные значения.
[02:31:06] dotcomdotru: Можно конечно использовать sorted dict из django, храня под ключами None... но
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[02:31:21] dotcomdotru: идиотизм же.
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[02:36:51] dotcomdotru: sorted map это наверное должно называться. сейчас найду
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[02:46:56] dotcomdotru: нет, проще навелосипедить
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[11:55:07] cutwater: утро
[11:55:16] cutwater: всех с наступившим новым годом!
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[11:56:49] creitve: и тебя
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[11:57:42] cutwater: creitve: о вижу ты тут недавно про гитцы с джангой спрашивал
[11:57:44] cutwater: ня ^_^
[11:57:55] creitve: о да
[11:58:13] creitve: сижу щас на фриноде пытаюсь с англоязычных вытрясти инфу для нубов
[11:58:17] creitve: т.е. для меня
[11:58:30] cutwater: ну кстати осиль git через консоль
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[11:58:36] cutwater: его удобней использовать так
[11:58:44] creitve: ну я только так его и учился юзать
[11:58:47] creitve: правда недоучился еще
[11:59:02] creitve: вопрос такой. я спользую для обновления джанго проекта на хостинге rsync
[11:59:19] creitve: а как мне каждый раз быстро переносить бд на хостинг?
[12:00:00] creitve: мм не про какой-то south рассказали
[12:00:02] creitve: гуглю пока
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[12:00:07] cutwater: да есть такое. миграции называется
[12:00:12] cutwater: сам не пользовал если честно
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[12:02:05] creitve: а что пользовал?
[12:02:28] creitve: ну вот не писать же мне скрипт который будет чисттиь удалённую базу, дампить локальную и заливать дамп туда?
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[12:04:07] cutwater: миграции не использовал в джанге. так немного в рельсах было дело
[12:04:15] cutwater: на тот момент были миграции кривые и неотлаженые
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[12:04:59] creitve: я не про миграции. про локальный тествый сервер и сервер хостинга
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[12:05:20] creitve: или мне всё-всё разработать локально а только потом на хостинг грзить?
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[12:05:22] creitve: бред
[12:05:52] creitve: ладно, бум разбираться) спс
[12:06:10] cutwater: ну как бы изменение структуры бд в джанго довольно муторная затея.
[12:06:23] cutwater: так как syncdb если помнится поддерживает только создание / удаление новых таблиц.
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[12:06:30] cutwater: но не изменение их структуры
[12:06:49] cutwater: так что есть вариант а) накатывать полностью новую базу
[12:07:17] cutwater: но это опять таки на стадии девелопмента
[12:07:30] cutwater: благо fixtures вроде как позволяют
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[12:08:42] creitve: ну естественно. просто у меня был только опыт пхп, и там я привык просто копировать файлы в document root, ну и .sql потом накатывать. а тут вроде бы как если разобраться, то будешь как бог, но поди разберись сначала)
[12:09:00] cutwater: да там как бы ничего сложного.
[12:09:05] cutwater: опыт пхп... ну а у кого его не было
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[12:11:45] creitve: хорошо, на примере
[12:12:19] creitve: я успешно локально разработал сайт, загрузил на хостинг. вдруг я хочу внести изменения в код и добавить поле в бд. мои действия?
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[12:12:49] cutwater: вариант а) использование миграций. тогда все просто автоматом альер тейбл и дальше все хорошо
[12:13:11] deepwalker: creitve, идем в гугел. Читаем про south. Читаем про фикстуры. Все.
[12:13:21] cutwater: вариант б) сливаешь базу (возможно в fixtures если я не ошибаюсь) делаешь syncdb накатываешь данныек
[12:13:27] creitve: ага значит всё-так south
[12:13:30] cutwater: *сносишь базу через syncdb
[12:13:35] cutwater: *перед syncdb
[12:13:37] cutwater: блин.
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[12:13:54] creitve: окей, спасибо!
[12:14:00] Darth Лис: ваапще какой-то странный у тебя флоу
[12:14:07] Darth Лис: сдампить с тестового и залить на продакшен
[12:14:13] Darth Лис: херь какая-то
[12:14:16] cutwater: Darth Лис: +1
[12:14:22] cutwater: дампить надо с продакшна
[12:14:29] cutwater: и заливать обратно
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[12:16:08] Darth Лис: creitve:
[12:16:18] creitve: хм
[12:16:44] creitve: да я думаю, почему? если на тест сервере добился стабильности, то можно на хостинг заливтаь?
[12:17:02] cutwater: ну вообще данные продакшна и тест сервера они как бы немного разные
[12:17:08] Darth Лис: creitve: ты данные заливаешь или структуры?
[12:17:15] cutwater: структуру ты переносишь
[12:17:24] cutwater: данные ты перезаливаешь если не можешь сделать альтер тейбл
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[12:18:05] creitve: структуру наверное. я с джангой только начал разбираться, интересно было настроить синхронизациюю локал-ремоут
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[12:19:06] cutwater: кстати нахрена тебе rsync ?
[12:19:12] cutwater: у тебя же есть гитцы
[12:19:21] cutwater: гит + ssh же
[12:19:28] creitve: ну вчера я в английском канале спрашивал про гит, т.к. изначально хотел его юзать
[12:19:47] creitve: но меня обсмеяли и сказали, что гит для деплоймента не предназначен
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[12:20:33] cutwater: эм... ну как бы а почему бы и нет?
[12:20:59] cutwater: имхо для деплоймента вполне себе ок.
[12:22:10] creitve: окей, значит я правильно хотел его юзать. тогда продолжая разговор твой вариант б) возможно засунуть хотя б в баш-скрипт?
[12:22:23] creitve: потому чтоя не знаю как через гит обновлять бд
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[12:22:40] cutwater: эм... чезрез гит ты бд не обновишь
[12:22:42] Darth Лис: ну, не прямо же так что на деплой происходит коммандой git pull :))
[12:23:05] cutwater: Darth Лис: /r/ подробности правильного воркфлоу
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[12:23:44] Darth Лис: ну, fabric можно юзать
[12:24:05] Darth Лис: capistrano можно даже (но не надо) :)
[12:24:53] Darth Лис: пишешь сценарий деплоя 1 раз, а потом только запускаешь на исполнение его и идёшь пить чай
[12:25:05] Darth Лис: а не каждый раз сидишь и судорожно вспоминаешь чего ещё забыл
[12:25:06] Darth Лис: :)
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[12:26:07] cutwater: ну на баше можно накидать все что надо. с обновлением структуры базы и т.п.
[12:26:16] cutwater: вообще можно даже хук поставить
[12:26:19] cutwater: на гит
[12:26:57] Darth Лис: не нужно
[12:27:06] cutwater: не нужно. но можно =)
[12:27:08] Darth Лис: деплоить на продакшен каждый коммит, это очень плохо
[12:27:28] creitve: ну я пишу себе блог
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[12:27:57] cutwater: Darth Лис: ну можно ведь на деплоймент сервере поставить хук на post-merge и будет ок
[12:28:04] creitve: если я увижу что у меня поехала вёрстка, то наверное этотт коммит можно сразу задеплоить?
[12:28:08] cutwater: но это теоретически говорим о возможности того
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[12:29:14] cutwater: хм... штоле и себе блог написать
[12:29:21] cutwater: только надо перед этим еще фреймворк написать
[12:29:38] cutwater: ибо джанга ээ... блевабельна
[12:29:55] Darth Лис: сваргу юзай! :)
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[12:30:31] cutwater: ну честно от некоторых мест меня в сварге воротит. мне щас очень сильно Flask понравился
[12:30:49] Darth Лис: чойта?
[12:30:50] cutwater: но у него есть критические просчеты в некоторых местах
[12:30:58] cutwater: Darth Лис: http://flask.pocoo.org/
[12:31:29] Darth Лис: а, хехе
[12:31:31] Darth Лис: а-ля синатра
[12:31:54] cutwater: Darth Лис: руби пока ниасилил
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[12:32:53] creitve: fabric я так понял достаточно иметь на test сервере, т.к. он всё сам делает?
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[12:33:41] cutwater: я вообще зачем оно надо
[12:33:45] cutwater: bash же норм
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[12:35:29] creitve: ааа, это просто продвинутое скриптование?
[12:35:32] Darth Лис: cutwater: ну а чо ты сайт на баше не пишешь?
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[12:37:05] cutwater: Darth Лис: дак а при чем здесь
[12:37:08] cutwater: мы говорим о деплое
[12:37:13] cutwater: о скриптах
[12:37:34] creitve: хорошо следующий вопрос - где должен находиться основной репозиторий гита, а где - его клон?
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[12:37:37] Darth Лис: фабрик берёт некоторые рутинные части и делает за тебя
[12:37:44] Darth Лис: на баше всё с 0 писать будешь
[12:37:47] cutwater: creitve: где хочешь
[12:38:20] cutwater: Darth Лис: скажем так. в решении тривиальных задач его необходимость сомнительна
[12:38:28] cutwater: для сложных скриптов развертывания уже можно подумать
[12:38:38] cutwater: пока что таких сложных задач в постановке от creitve мне не видится
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[12:38:50] cutwater: собственно какие рутинные части?
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[12:39:37] Darth Лис: пойди туда, сделай то (клон, синкдб), запусти тесты 1 раз перед этим
[12:39:42] Darth Лис: ну и т.д.
[12:39:58] Darth Лис: опять же, разделение продакшен и стэйдж
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[12:40:06] Darth Лис: делать надо почти одно и тоже
[12:40:12] Darth Лис: но чучуть по разному
[12:40:20] Darth Лис: да я знаю что можно всё сделать в баше
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[12:40:28] Darth Лис: но и сайт можно на баше CGI набросать
[12:40:34] Darth Лис: в питоне удобнее
[12:40:43] cutwater: эм.. ну ты путаешь жопу с пальцем
[12:40:59] cutwater: там где выполнить надо пару команд можно конечно и питон притянуть
[12:41:17] cutwater: но если надо накидать простой скрипт с 2-3мя командами и запустить через ssh
[12:41:20] cutwater: то проблем не наблюдаю
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[12:41:44] Darth Лис: ну ок, ибись как хочешь
[12:41:46] cutwater: в плане зачем еще притягивать сюда лишние сущности, когда баш вполне это позволяет, для этого предназначен
[12:41:47] Darth Лис: только людей не путай
[12:41:52] cutwater: Darth Лис: эм.. ниасилил баш?
[12:41:56] Darth Лис: и дай им делать по человечески а не по дорпски
[12:42:02] Darth Лис: жопски*
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[12:42:27] cutwater: по-человечески это использовать инструменты исходя из необходимости
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[12:42:42] Darth Лис: *facepalm*
[12:42:44] cutwater: а щас это мне напоминает подход пхпшников. зачем что-то еще если пхп удобнее
[12:43:24] Darth Лис: гыы
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[12:43:59] Darth Лис: cutwater: а щас это мне напоминает подход пхпшников. зачем использовать общепринятые инструменты если можно свой говнолисапед наворотить
[12:44:07] cutwater: Darth Лис: блин я не спорю если надо делать комплексную систему развертывания и т.п. типа rake то конечно
[12:44:15] cutwater: но если тебе надо выполнить банально 2-3 команды
[12:44:24] Darth Лис: да не будет там "банально"
[12:44:30] cutwater: нахрена тут притягивать за уши еще какие-то сущности
[12:44:40] cutwater: Darth Лис: на проекте уровня бложика будет банально
[12:44:52] cutwater: на системе с ннадцатью тысячами строк кода надо извращаться.
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[12:53:48] creitve: нашёл хорошую инструкцию к south, спасибо вам большое)
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[13:12:08] Darth Лис is now Ура! У меня не новый ### Infium, а совершенно другая программа, скачать можно с http://www.pidgin.im/
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[14:12:20] _lorien: /me добрался до интернета
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[14:14:13] gf: creitve может поделишься инструкцией?
[14:14:25] creitve: мм
[14:15:07] creitve: ну я вроде про дефолтную говорил
[14:15:10] creitve: хотя мб не
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[14:15:14] creitve: вот дефолтная http://south.aeracode.org/wiki/Tutorial

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[14:15:33] gf: а "хорошая"? :)
[14:15:50] _lorien: сучий холод, после 12 часов простоя машина не заводится, наверное, аккум не успевает заряжаться нормально
[14:16:14] gf: _lorien "сучий" это сколько?
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[14:16:36] _lorien: уже 3-4 дня ниже -30

[14:16:45] creitve: а это был хабраперевод этого туттора
[14:16:48] dicos: у меня то же :-(
[14:16:56] creitve: потом я по ссылке на него перешёл, т.к. с инглишем норм вроде
[14:17:00] creitve: http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/django/47004/#habracut
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[14:17:37] _lorien: Ну ходить, гулять можно, если тепло одеться, но вот машина без одежды вымерзает и аккуму силёнок не хватает раскрутить кашу, что в двигателе получается при -30
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[14:20:00] огыешсук: у нас тут -0 примерно
[14:20:04] огыешсук: жить вроде можно
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[14:20:21] gf: у нас -20, жить тоже можно..
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[14:20:44] _lorien: А ещё самое вкусное: шобы ехать машину нужно прогреть т.е. сидеть 10-15 минут внутри морозилки и ждать, когда двигатель нагреется, чтобы можно было салон нагревать :)
[14:21:25] огыешсук: 1. отапливаемый гараж
2. щёлкать брелком на "прогрейся" минут за 15 до выхода
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[14:21:33] gf: _lorien любишь на машине кататься, люби и прогревать/заправлять/ремонтировать
[14:22:24] _lorien: В следующие зиму исключительно с автозапуском будет машина.
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[14:23:06] _lorien: огыешсук: п.2 не подходит, увы, у меня карбюраторная :) хотя какие-то умельцы прилаживают управление к заслонке...
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[14:24:40] огыешсук: /me помнит по калифорнии антипункт два. Там если заранее не заведёшь машину (и, соответственно, кондишн) то придётся парится минут пять, пока охладится салон.
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[14:30:40] _lorien: да, прикольно :)
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[18:51:07] webninja: ща смотрю на блоге свежем бот прошелся
[18:51:09] webninja: http://github.com/pauldix/feedzirra/tree/master
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[19:04:44] creitve: вопрос при попытке manage.py runserver пишет ошибку MySQLdb
[19:04:48] creitve: тьфу
[19:04:54] creitve: ImproperlyConfigured: Error loading MySQLdb module: No module named MySQLdb

[19:05:23] creitve: 1)разве в джанго не входят либы mysql?
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[19:05:37] creitve: 2)почему не ставится из pip/easy_install?
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[19:06:05] creitve: ой)
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[19:06:24] creitve: а нет, не работает
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[19:10:29] gigimon: creitve: ставь python-mysql или mysql-python
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[19:10:42] gigimon: creitve: что говорит при попытке устанвоки из пипа?)
[19:11:03] gigimon: MySQL-python - Python interface to MySQL

[19:11:05] gigimon: вот что
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[19:13:24] piranha is now I don't smile for pictures. I smile because it rocks.
[19:13:43] creitve: спасибо!
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[19:13:54] gigimon: creitve: поставил? :)
[19:14:03] creitve: хз оно думает тчот
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[19:14:10] creitve: мб много грузить
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[19:14:27] creitve: я думал в комплект питона входят либы
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[19:16:03] creitve: чёрт
[19:16:04] creitve: не встал
[19:16:10] creitve: mysql
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[19:16:51] gigimon: че говорит
[19:17:00] creitve: погоди секунду
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[19:17:27] deepwalker: а никто не видел OCR не на сях?
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[19:17:49] deepwalker: ну я прям не верю, что люди осознанно сразу пишут прогу на сях, дико как-то даже
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[19:18:02] deepwalker: где же обкатка алгоритма, прототипирование?
[19:18:14] gigimon: обкатали и в си сразу)
[19:18:23] gigimon: deepwalker: а что для ocr вообще есть?
[19:18:26] gigimon: из либ
[19:18:31] deepwalker: cuneiform
[19:18:34] deepwalker: остальное Г
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[19:18:36] gigimon: )
[19:18:56] deepwalker: cuneiform написана через глубокую жопу, с тотальный вантузом в мозгах
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[19:19:04] deepwalker: винтоузом
[19:19:07] creitve: щас скажу что пишет
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[19:19:29] deepwalker: там какие то стремачные хаки с битиками
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[19:19:49] deepwalker: и вот запусти этот шит на арме потом
[19:19:57] gigimon: ого, тебе еще и на арме
[19:20:08] deepwalker: на мобиле
[19:20:13] gigimon: фигасе
[19:20:23] gigimon: пиши свое)
[19:20:27] deepwalker: я уже скомпилил даже
[19:20:37] gigimon: и как работоспособность?
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[19:20:40] deepwalker: ну да, шас, 10 лет разработки проведу
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[19:20:53] Thunde® is now python - дайте голос!
[19:20:54] gigimon: кунейформ же был заброшен года 3-4
[19:20:55] deepwalker: пока запустить пациента не удалось, из-за шаред либ
[19:20:59] gigimon: перед тем как его открыли
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[19:21:06] deepwalker: да пофиг, он русский опознает
[19:21:12] deepwalker: и еще 20 языков
[19:21:23] gigimon: ну тогда запускай)
[19:21:24] deepwalker: в отличие от всяких тессеров
[19:21:51] gigimon: creitve: где лог? или ты руками переписывваешь?
[19:22:17] creitve: lf jy jxtym ljkuj levftn
[19:22:25] creitve: он очень долго думает
[19:22:44] creitve: щас попробую удалить и поставить
[19:23:09] gigimon: ему насколько я помню gcc нужен для сборки libmysqlclient
[19:23:16] gigimon: поставь из дистрибутива
[19:23:17] Thunde® is now ГОЛОС!
[19:23:24] gigimon: пакетным менеджером
[19:23:31] gigimon: а сли винда, то есть скомпиленый пакет
[19:23:34] deepwalker: я вот и подумал - если бы был пруф вариант, с алгоритмами, то можно было бы переписать его на яву
[19:23:45] deepwalker: а си - его только компилить
[19:23:48] gigimon: андроид?
[19:23:58] deepwalker: ага
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[19:25:15] deepwalker: piranha, дай голос
[19:25:34] webninja: и мне
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[19:26:06] webninja: я вот тут думаю планшет купить ) с андроидом. там можно приложения на питоне писать?
[19:26:06] piranha: гг, не переварил
[19:26:18] piranha: !voice minnigaliev-r@jabber.ru
[19:26:18] Thunde® is now ГОЛОС!
[19:26:31] Thunde®: наконецто, пасибы
[19:26:38] deepwalker: webninja, можно, для себя
[19:26:49] creitve: вот запустил процесс, скину лог после этого
[19:26:55] piranha: Thunde®: я хаваю, от компа отошëл )
[19:27:00] deepwalker: а вот запаковать для продажи - хрен
[19:27:09] Thunde®: чуваки как в питоне cin >> $a; делаеца, а?
[19:27:18] deepwalker: шо??
[19:27:23] Thunde®: и отключите пжлста бота, запарил спасить в приват уже
[19:28:39] Thunde®: ну типа мне надо в переменную текст с клавы загнать, как эта делается на питоне, я тока сегодня вот вики прочитал бегло да примеры попробовал, понравилось...
[19:28:50] piranha: raw_input
[19:28:51] deepwalker: raw_input
[19:29:00] piranha: :)
[19:29:06] Thunde®: ок, щас почитаю
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[19:29:53] creitve: вот логи
[19:29:59] deepwalker: Thunde®, поставь ipython
[19:30:09] Thunde®: что эта?
[19:30:10] deepwalker: и там сделай raw_input?
[19:30:31] deepwalker: это говнорасширение интерпретатора
[19:30:34] piranha: "сделай" == "напиши и нажми ентер", естественно
[19:30:35] deepwalker: но прикольное
[19:30:35] Thunde®: у мну комодо, он подсказывает...
[19:30:36] piranha: =)
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[19:30:48] creitve: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12007946/pip.log
[19:30:54] deepwalker: комод, говрящий? опупеть, андроид?
[19:31:09] creitve: кстати я попробую поставить вручную
[19:31:12] Thunde®: угу, почти говорящий, мне правда хватат, подсказки на экране по ходу ввода)
[19:31:14] creitve: нашёл архивчик
[19:31:28] deepwalker: с экраном, офигенные комоды пошли
[19:31:49] deepwalker: вот у меня в детстве был без экрана, еще и глянцевый
[19:31:50] piranha: deepwalker: это ide
[19:32:11] deepwalker: piranha, ну злыдня, не даешь поизголяться : )
[19:32:29] piranha: э хрен тебя знает
[19:32:30] piranha: )
[19:32:44] creitve: короче проблема /home/creitve/Downloads/MySQL-python-1.2.3
[19:32:46] creitve: тьфу
[19:32:51] creitve: EnvironmentError: mysql_config not found
[19:32:53] creitve: вот
[19:32:59] deepwalker: Thunde®, ipython один фиг лучше
[19:33:16] deepwalker: он по табу дополняет, и сразу видно же результат
[19:33:37] deepwalker: никакой raw_input не нужен, когда есть ipython
[19:34:01] deepwalker: то есть обычный пайтон то же умеет, но у ipython есть плюшки
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[19:35:42] Thunde®: киньте Ъ-материалом по гтк2+ питон
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[19:39:44] Thunde®: а почему низя кириллицу?
str = raw_input("кириллица: ")
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[20:23:42] gigimon: creitve: разобрался? какой дистр
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[20:25:59] creitve: да
[20:26:01] creitve: конфига не хвататло
[20:26:10] creitve: поставил через apt-get
[20:26:13] creitve: cgfcb,j
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[20:30:46] gigimon: так и надо было сразу)
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[20:31:09] bobry: кто нить юзал вот это? https://github.com/fiorix/mongo-async-python-driver/
[20:31:13] bobry: как оно ваще?
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[21:42:22] creitve: народ,подскажите нормальную структуру для django проекта
[21:42:31] creitve: где держать статичные файлы а где само приложение?
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[21:49:04] xa4a: гдавное не держать приложение внутри статичных файлов
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[21:50:15] creitve: это да
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[21:51:21] webninja: я статику пихаю в files
[21:51:39] creitve: ну я тоже так папку назвал
[21:51:53] creitve: то есть в папке projectname есть src
[21:52:05] creitve: в ней projectname - исполняемые
[21:52:14] creitve: и рядом с ней files, так?
[21:52:50] webninja: хм
[21:53:10] creitve: у меня такую структуру pydev делает для джанго по дефолту
[21:53:24] webninja: в жопу пидев
[21:53:32] creitve: чем он плох так?
[21:53:38] webninja: нетбинс тоже делает эти свои папки
[21:53:43] webninja: ну как
[21:54:02] webninja: получается в итоге /projectname/src/fdsfljsdl/fsdhfkjsdh
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[21:55:15] webninja: ну и там внутри projectname
[21:55:31] creitve: почему
[21:55:38] creitve: не важно
[21:55:45] creitve: это единственный минус вроде
[21:55:47] webninja: ./files/images/ ./files/images/main.css
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[21:55:59] webninja: я так делаю
[21:56:03] creitve: мм ясно
[21:56:16] creitve: ну и я сделал
[21:56:22] webninja: а остальное как джанго создают
[21:56:24] webninja: *создает
[21:56:47] creitve: ну а другие минусы есть у pydev
[21:56:49] creitve: &
[21:56:50] creitve: ?
[21:57:04] webninja: единственное что мне кажется не стоит использовать views.py в индексе для моделей. лучше модели описывать отдельно для каждого приложения.
[21:57:12] webninja: bobry тут?
[21:57:22] webninja: ну он как и нетбинс очень увесистый
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[21:58:05] webninja: когда ты уже знаешь что как и пишешь код как рассказ. проще использовать чтонибудь более легкое.
[21:58:34] webninja: тут например каждый через одного использует emacs в качестве редактора
[21:58:56] Typhon: а вторая половина -- vim %)
[21:59:01] webninja: ага )
[21:59:12] webninja: я быстро переучился ваще на емакс.
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[21:59:53] webninja: вот у меня щаз на сайте с джанго много разных вьюх с формами.
[22:00:08] webninja: вот я думаю может вынести вьюхи отдельно в папочку?
[22:00:14] webninja: и там по файликам
[22:00:40] webninja: типа templates/upload.py templates/view.py
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[22:01:01] webninja: sites/upload.py sites/view.py
[22:01:12] webninja: view.py например таблицу рендерит
[22:01:40] gigimon: webninja: я для каждой апликухи держу свой forms.py
[22:01:44] gigimon: считаю логичным
[22:02:00] gigimon: файл для урлов, файл для моделей, вьюх, форм
[22:02:22] webninja: ну дело в том что аппликуха уже увесистая получилась
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[22:02:50] webninja: хотя ваще это идея, да. т.е. получается одна модель - одна аппликуха?
[22:03:06] gigimon: эээ
[22:03:13] gigimon: зачем на каждую модель апликуху?
[22:03:18] gigimon: я их логически разделяю
[22:03:28] gigimon: т.е. работа с юзерами - 1 апликуха
[22:03:33] gigimon: в ее модели все модели нужные
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[22:03:36] gigimon: и вьюхи
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[22:05:05] webninja: ну да ) надо подумать значит как разделить хех
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[22:05:31] webninja: а то что-то views.py разросся на > 1500 строк, что не очень айс мне кажется.
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[22:14:52] bobry: webninja: тут
[22:15:29] bobry: webninja: views.py можно сделать package'ом же
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[22:16:02] webninja: ээээээ
[22:16:18] webninja: /me scratching head
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[22:19:55] bobry: глупый вопрос, почему половина twisted библиотек начинается с tx?
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[22:22:22] Typhon: twisted extension, емнип.
[22:22:29] Typhon: соглашение какое-то
[22:23:25] bobry: ах йома, а я то думал
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[22:28:02] gigimon: как там зовется маленький язык компилируемый в js?
[22:28:29] gigimon: нашел
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[22:35:19] creitve: простите отходил
[22:35:24] creitve: да емакс няшен
[22:35:44] creitve: я просто занимался кастомайзом своей убунты и сделал красивый gedit минималистичный
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[22:36:09] creitve: поэтому не хочется перелезать на емакс, хотя он наверное тоже настраивается
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[22:40:36] bobry: наверное :)
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[22:41:17] creitve: как мне убедиться что django работает через nginx+gunicorn, а не просто через gunicorn? я нуб)
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[22:46:21] gigimon: creitve: gunicorn не на 80 порту?
[22:46:27] gigimon: нгинкс проксирует на порт уникорна?
[22:46:49] creitve: guinicorn на 8000
[22:46:56] creitve: нгиникс на 80
[22:46:58] gigimon: а ты ходишь по 80 порту?
[22:47:08] gigimon: ну и в чем тогда непонятка? :)
[22:47:11] creitve: нужно guinicorn на 80 включить?
[22:47:21] gigimon: нет
[22:47:31] gigimon: ты ходишь на 80 порт, порт нгинкса, сайт пашет
[22:47:39] gigimon: как думаешь, откуда он его возьмет?
[22:47:43] creitve: нет не пашет
[22:47:48] creitve: пашет на 8000
[22:47:56] gigimon: а, ну дык)) тогда настраивай нгинкс :))
[22:48:06] creitve: на 80 только 404
[22:48:15] gigimon: ну а что тогда ты хочешь :)
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[22:48:50] creitve: ну я первый раз nginx использую
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[22:49:23] gigimon: use cherokee :)
[22:49:34] gigimon: у него есть мастер для подключения джанго проекта))
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[22:50:37] creitve: я уже подключил джанго проект к gunicorn
[22:50:43] creitve: он работает но на 8000 порту
[22:50:55] gigimon: ну
[22:50:55] creitve: а nginx походу своей жизнью живёт
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[22:50:59] gigimon: настрйо прокси на нгинкс
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[22:51:09] creitve: вооот
[22:51:10] gigimon: а какой ему жить? откуда он про уникорн знает
[22:51:14] creitve: а как?
[22:51:22] gigimon: ман по нгинксу посмотри
[22:51:24] creitve: скажи слова чтоб гуглить хоть
[22:51:26] gigimon: это первый же пример
[22:51:32] gigimon: nginx proxy
[22:51:57] gigimon: http://www.rkblog.rk.edu.pl/w/p/deploying-django-project-gunicorn-and-nginx/
[22:52:03] gigimon: первый же запрос по nginx gunicorn
[22:52:47] creitve: вот в конце конфига
[22:53:00] creitve: proxy_pass http://app_server что это и что здесь писать
[22:53:04] creitve: остальное я уже сделал
[22:53:08] creitve: по похожему мануалу
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[22:55:53] gigimon: как там есть, так и оставь
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[23:02:09] creitve: вопрос в другом образце конфига были отдельно пути для статичных файлов
[23:02:17] creitve: и для джанго проекта
[23:02:42] creitve: здесь я такого не вижу
[23:04:12] creitve: как мне это настроить в этом образце
[23:04:33] gigimon: location /site_media/ {
root /PATH/TO/DJANGO/PROJECT;
}
[23:04:37] gigimon: вот что тебе
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[23:04:49] gigimon: site_media меняешь на урл к статике
[23:04:58] gigimon: в root указываешь путь до нее
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[23:06:24] creitve: то есть вместо site media пишу ./files/
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[23:06:53] gigimon: без точки
[23:07:28] creitve: а если статичные в соседней с папкой джанги директории?
[23:08:51] creitve: так ладно, сейчас на канал джанги сгоняю
[23:08:59] creitve: спасибо большое!
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[23:14:05] gigimon: да какая нафиг разница нигнксу, откуда файлы отдавать?
[23:14:09] gigimon: до джанги даже не дойдет запрос
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[23:14:47] creitve: просто меня научили что нельзя класть код в document root
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[23:15:43] creitve: то есть location в твоём примере это относительный путь внутри root, так?
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[23:17:42] creitve: так всё, прости, пойду читать про базовую конфигурацию nginx
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[23:22:49] gigimon: вылетал
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