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[04:19:51] gf: qutim?
[04:21:51] bobry: gf: ?
[04:21:55] bobry: oh
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[04:23:41] gf: bobry: чем не нравится qutim? всяко помощнее psi будет..
[04:23:55] bobry: gf: помощнее?
[04:23:56] bobry: в чем
[04:24:07] gf: bobry: тем же irc
[04:24:15] bobry: у мня для irc есть xchat
[04:24:51] gf: bobry: а зачем тебе xchat и psi если qutim заменяет их обоих?
[04:25:10] gf: и еще mailAgent..
[04:25:18] bobry: gf: ну когда нибудь я вернусь к связке erc + emacs-jabber :)
[04:25:19] gf: бля, вконтакте.. :)
[04:25:25] bobry: тогда Он один мне все заменит
[04:25:32] bobry: мейл агентом не пользуюсь :)
[04:25:35] gf: да, знаем такую ось..
[04:26:02] bobry: с qutim'a ушел из за того что 0.2 заморозили а 0.3 не допилили
[04:27:09] gf: bobry: да, есть такие дела.. но и в текущем билде он достаточно стабилен.
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[04:27:49] gf: а если прибавить к этому еще и icq, то ему вообще аналога нет.
[04:27:53] bobry: я бы сидел на gajim'e но иногда мне нужен прокси, а gajim его не умеет толком
[04:28:02] bobry: у меня нет никого в icq
[04:28:35] gf: bobry: я объяснил чем qutim мощнее psi? :)
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[04:28:48] bobry: gf: неа, это разные клиенты для разных вещей
[04:29:16] bobry: можно также сказать что pidgin (libpurple) круче psi потому что он умеет туеву кучу протоколов
[04:29:32] _lorien: я пытался qutim юзать, чё-то не попёрло, вот pidgin ещё более-менее прижился
[04:29:36] gf: bobry: по моему qutim умеет все, что умеет psi, но spi умеет только маленькую часть того, что умеет qitim
[04:29:56] bobry: под qutim есть juick plugin?
[04:30:20] _lorien: а зачем там плагин, это же джабер
[04:30:28] bobry: _lorien: расскажи про свой форум? ты его пилишь?
[04:30:36] bobry: как зачем? шобы удобнее было
[04:30:38] _lorien: нет, я забил на него уже как год
[04:30:44] bobry: а кто нить пилит?
[04:30:51] _lorien: нет, никто не пилит
[04:30:51] bobry: *твой форум*
[04:30:58] bobry: ну лана, минус один вариант тада
[04:31:53] gf: bobry: неа, это instant messenger а не сервис для микроблоггинга..
[04:32:39] bobry: как то не очень убедительно :)
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[04:32:53] bobry: особенно учитывая что сервис для микроблогинга юзает XMPP
[04:33:07] bobry: для pidgin'a даже есть
[04:34:46] gf: ок, что еще?
[04:36:13] bobry: сходу больше ничего не придумывается :)
[04:36:21] bobry: для емакса тоже жуйк плагин есть
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[12:31:51] xj-9@jabber.ru is now Свой вики-сайт - это круто. Можно сделать блекджек и лунапарк... остальное приведут зрители))
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[14:09:51] krasoffski: /me шарахнул krasoffski веслом по голове
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[14:21:24] _lorien: у вас на хабре дерево комментов тормозит?
[14:21:30] _lorien: у меня каждое дерево открывается X минут
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[15:15:56] xa4a: += матан
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[15:16:52] bobry: в подавляющем большинстве случаев да
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[15:19:08] undefined: в смысле дифференциальное и интегральное исчисление и функциональный анализ? или дискретка + теория графов?
[15:19:15] Exmr: Подскажите, где логи комнаты?
В теме модерируемая ссылка: http://➡.ws/pu
[15:20:14] bobry: undefined: зависит от области но дискретка почти всегда требуется
[15:20:17] огыешсук: Exmr: это был вопрос или ответ?
[15:21:15] Typhon: Exmr, какая ссылка?
[15:21:18] bobry: огыешсук: both :)
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[15:22:46] mishok13: теория графов учится с помощью кормена
[15:23:04] mishok13: дискретка учится с помощью пролога
[15:24:03] Exmr: Это был вопрос) т.е.: как мне посмотреть логи этой комнаты?
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[15:24:23] Exmr: В теме есть ответ на этот вопрос, но ссылка скрыта.
[15:24:32] Typhon: там на quora где-то 5ым ответом есть толковое, что если чувак не учит указанных вещей, то он просто не self-taught и всё, а нормальные пацаны типа это учат :-)
[15:24:43] Typhon: Exmr, c чего ты взял, что она скрыта? :)
[15:24:55] огыешсук: Exmr: если она тебе скрыта, то как ты её процитировал?
[15:25:14] Typhon: у тебя просто символы не отображаются
[15:25:20] Typhon: потому что клиент тупой
[15:25:29] Typhon: и ос
[15:26:10] огыешсук: Или, она автоматически скрывается только для него? Как в известной хохме с "а irc умеет скрывать пароли, вот мой: ******"
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[15:27:44] Typhon: Exmr, в браузере то у тебя хотя бы ок отображается? http://paste.in.ua/1616/
[15:28:11] огыешсук: Exmr: или и в броузере тоже враги скривают?
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[15:29:37] webninja: есть решения под джангу приличные считать посетителей. гео, pageviews/hosts и т.д.
[15:30:20] Typhon: гугль аналитикс? oO
[15:30:25] webninja: ноу
[15:30:28] огыешсук: http://code.google.com/p/django-google-analytics/
[15:30:29] webninja: нужен натив
[15:30:33] огыешсук: ;o)
[15:31:00] Typhon: а зачем самому что-то щитать, если это дядьки другие хорошо делают
[15:31:08] Typhon: с графиками и прочими штуками клёвыми
[15:31:16] webninja: не всегда подходят чужие счетчики
[15:31:19] огыешсук: может он гуглу не верит
[15:31:25] огыешсук: еретик!
[15:31:35] wiz: webninja, я нашёл только какое-то поделие на php
[15:31:39] wiz: зато с графеками
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[15:32:41] Exmr: Typhon: огыешсук: В браузере тоже криво, после "//" идёт стрелочка
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[15:32:53] webninja: не, пхп не катит
[15:33:12] Typhon: Exmr, это не криво. это символ
[15:33:20] Typhon: Exmr, это валидный урл.
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[15:33:51] undefined: http://jystewart.net/process/resources/rails-geo-plugins/
[15:34:00] undefined: :)
[15:34:39] undefined: походу чтобы без гемора вебом заниматься, нужно рельсы использовать
[15:35:10] Typhon: undefined, видимо да :)
[15:35:11] огыешсук: Exmr: а чем тебе не нравятся стрелочки?
[15:35:36] Typhon: Exmr, вводи его в адресную строку и переходи уже :) что ты всё мучаешься "криво", "криво" :)
[15:35:41] webninja: нету в гугле блин приличных каунтеров
[15:35:50] webninja: o_O
[15:36:14] webninja: на джангу
[15:36:58] Typhon: чем тебе не устраивает гугль аналитикс, расскажи пожалуйста
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[15:37:35] Exmr: Typhon: со стрелочкой заработало :) Спасибо!
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[15:37:55] Typhon: Exmr, оно и в теме так отображается, просто твой клиент -- говно
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[15:38:18] webninja: да много чем. не устраивает он меня. всем хорошь он и использую его тоже. но не в этот раз.
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[15:39:00] огыешсук: webninja: напиши свой и обубликуй на гугло-коде
[15:39:11] огыешсук: будем патчи слать
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[15:39:27] Typhon: будем гуглеаналитикс пользовать и не выёбываться.
[15:39:34] Typhon: олсо, в джанге можно мидлваре написать
[15:39:37] Typhon: которая всё считать будет
[15:39:53] Typhon: если совсем в тупую, выйдет строк 10-15 ^_^
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[15:40:17] огыешсук: он ещё и угрожает
[15:40:30] webninja: ну я написал уже чето
[15:40:34] webninja: апликуху
[15:40:37] webninja: считает
[15:40:39] webninja: вроде
[15:41:06] Typhon: ну и всё, осталось три шага
[15:41:11] Typhon: Make it run, make it right, make it fast, make it small
[15:41:13] webninja: мне вот любопытно сколько полей таблица выдержит?
[15:41:37] webninja: если будет по 10к юзеров по 32к просмотров страниц
[15:41:49] webninja: это 32к записи в бд
[15:42:02] Typhon: "полей"?
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[15:42:24] webninja: строк, я если честно не знаком с терминологией.
[15:42:40] webninja: полей больше. там реквест_урл, реферер урл, дэйт, ип и т.д.
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[15:43:48] огыешсук: webninja: полей больше чем 32к?
[15:43:51] Typhon: ну ты ещё подумай, нужны они тебе всегда или их можно. скажем, аггрегировать как-то. типа разделить на olap, oltp ^_^ ну ещё у тебя тут, конечно же, БИГДАТА и тебе нужен nosql
[15:44:11] webninja: бгг нее
[15:44:24] огыешсук: Если записей по 32k в день до это фигня, а не много, они ж махонькие.
[15:44:30] webninja: я смотрю вот в вордпрессе счетчик есть плагином wp-statspress
[15:44:33] webninja: считает
[15:44:36] webninja: вроде норм.
[15:45:15] mishok13: поставь парсилку аксес логов в крон, бггыгы
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[15:45:50] огыешсук: /me написал такое для своих сайтов, реферы паршу и показываю себе откуда чаще ходют
[15:46:28] Typhon: кстати, есть парсилки логов апачевских с графиками и шлюхами
[15:46:47] огыешсук: apachelog.py
[15:46:56] огыешсук: только без графиков и хукеров
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[15:47:18] Typhon: http://pgfouine.projects.postgresql.org/ (вот для постгре, он умеет, емнип и апач)
[15:47:34] mishok13: пгфуин форевер
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[15:47:50] Typhon: yep, жаль пхп из-за него приходится вкрячивать
[15:48:03] огыешсук: php мерзость мерзость
[15:48:16] Typhon: зато графики и красивенька
[15:50:28] mishok13: Typhon, ты на пайкон не едешь случаем?
[15:50:54] Typhon: у меня есть несколько дней до окончания ирли бёрд, чтобы решить, пока меня что-то жаба душит ^_^
[15:51:25] mishok13: хых
[15:51:26] Typhon: ты так не нашёл никого, с кем хотель снимать?
[15:51:26] mishok13: ну ок
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[15:51:37] mishok13: да я тут шефьев мучаю
[15:51:47] mishok13: в крайнем случае буду не в хаяте
[15:51:57] mishok13: там есть сеть метро, в принципе :)
[15:52:07] Typhon: :-) без бассейна в номере
[15:52:07] mishok13: и такси не сильно дорогие
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[15:52:21] mishok13: да блять, это упущение серьезное
[15:52:32] mishok13: без басейна как я только смогу там быть
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[15:52:59] mishok13: сраная америка со сраными традициями относительно муниципального транспорта
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[15:57:09] огыешсук: а что не так в америке с муниципальным транспортом помимо егойного почти полного отсутствия?
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[15:57:51] Typhon: ко подсказывает, что те отели, которые близко к месту нужному -- дорогие, а от тех, которые далеко, хуй доберешься.
[15:58:09] огыешсук: а арендовать машинку на недельку?
[15:59:02] mishok13: во-первых, в европе я бы взял проездной на метро/трамвай/автобус/электричку на неделю и не ебал бы себе мозг
[15:59:07] mishok13: во-вторых, прав у меня нету
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[16:00:14] огыешсук: а где там нынче оно проходит?
[16:00:17] mishok13: в-третьих, надо их по особому оформлять, могут и не дать машину в аренду
[16:00:20] Typhon: атланта
[16:00:45] огыешсук: по русским правам в ависе спокойно дают
[16:01:27] Typhon: пайкон 2011 пройдёт в грузии, да
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[16:02:13] mishok13: ну, у меня тут на работе есть достаточно много ребят с правами и путешествиями в США
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[16:02:32] mishok13: минимум двоим не дали машину, сказав что права не международные
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[16:02:47] mishok13: при этом у одного им 1 год, а второй наверное еще при союзе получал :)
[16:02:51] огыешсук: а как назывались те, что не дал
[16:02:53] огыешсук: ?
[16:03:06] mishok13: я хз
[16:03:11] mishok13: увижусь на кухне, спрошу
[16:03:14] огыешсук: Непластиковые права там не любят, да.
[16:03:21] mishok13: пластиковые сейчас у всех
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[16:03:54] mishok13: вот товарищ напротив сидит, у него права на французский переведены, по какой-то причине, в НЮ ему машину не дали, в Чикаго дали
[16:04:39] mishok13: хуй их поймёт, америкосов
[16:04:42] огыешсук: там скорее не от города зависит а от фирмы, что машины даёт впрокат
[16:04:51] mishok13: еще и в жопу заглядывают по прилёту
[16:05:02] огыешсук: это если запищишь
[16:05:21] mishok13: и от full scan откажешься
[16:05:29] огыешсук: или химические следы взрывчатки аппаратура учует
[16:05:33] mishok13: носки еще хоть блядь не заставляют снимать
[16:05:44] mishok13: доиграются с этой хуйней
[16:06:15] Typhon: кстате, на пайконе туториалы просто оплачиваешь три шутки, скажем, и ходишь на любые три, или указывать нужно, какие тикеты ты покупаешь?
[16:06:28] огыешсук: если не пищишь и не пахнешь, то без проблем, меня даже в LAXе не сканировали, только багаж проверяли, видимо безопасно выгляжу
[16:06:49] mishok13: еще тему ввели новую, для счастливчиков, которым визу не надо оформлять -- регистрируешься, платишь 20 баксов и ждешь разрешения на пребывание на территории США
[16:06:52] mishok13: зато без визы
[16:06:57] mishok13: огыешсук, когда это было?
[16:07:16] mishok13: потому что меня в SFO 1,5 года назад тоже не лапали
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[16:07:25] огыешсук: mishok13: что было? у меня ничего как раз не было, никакого gate rape, этим летом
[16:07:36] mishok13: но tsa 4 месяца назад усилило требования к проверке
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[16:08:15] mishok13: Typhon, вроде бы сейчас уже появилась возможность выбирать конкретные туториалы
[16:08:22] webninja: http://code.google.com/p/python-geoip/
[16:08:25] webninja: нашел такую штуку
[16:08:37] webninja: но она под GAE блять =(
[16:09:44] огыешсук: mishok13: поспрашивал тех, кто только что из LA возвернулся, говорят всё как обычно, никакого усиления
[16:10:11] mishok13: посмотрим
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[16:10:18] mishok13: это же не Атланта, верно?
[16:10:25] mishok13: и не Вашингтон, например
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[16:10:31] огыешсук: нет, это калифорния
[16:11:28] mishok13: я в курсе :)
[16:11:31] Typhon: mishok13, а ты в какой день туториалишь, не известно ещё?
[16:11:35] mishok13: в первый
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[16:11:58] mishok13: в первую утреннюю сессию
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[16:17:11] Typhon: mishok13, а когда сваливаешь? на кодеспринтах собираешься оставаться?
[16:17:18] mishok13: сваливаю 16
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[16:18:20] mishok13: получается, 2 дня на спринтах
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[16:21:41] огыешсук: скока получается в сумме по деньгам?
[16:22:11] Typhon: я вот ща пытаюсь вычислить :D
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[16:22:26] Typhon: по авиабилетам одни говно сайты
[16:22:38] Typhon: сделайте уже толковый сайт по заказу билетов, будьте мужиками!
[16:22:40] огыешсук: ну, полетать туда-обратно это килобакс
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[16:22:55] mishok13: 900 за полёт + 300 за регистрацию
[16:23:00] огыешсук: если экономом (что вполне терпимо)
[16:23:05] Typhon: да, где-то так, насколько я помню по прошлым поискам
[16:23:15] mishok13: ну, мне эконом в люфтганзе нравится
[16:23:17] Typhon: это без туториалов 300
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[16:23:26] mishok13: да
[16:23:36] огыешсук: mishok13: он чем то отличается от эконома в аэрофлоте?
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[16:23:39] mishok13: плюс отель от 100 баксов если с завтраком
[16:23:47] mishok13: огыешсук, ЗА МКАДОМ ЖИЗНЬ ЕСТЬ
[16:24:12] огыешсук: mishok13: мне просто интересно
[16:24:28] mishok13: откуда мне бля знать
[16:24:48] огыешсук: аэрофлотовский эконом, как я сказал, был вполне терпим. особенно на пути "туда", когда я был один на двух креслах (и с двумя пледами-подушками, ага)
[16:25:11] mishok13: нахуя мне лететь через МАСЬКВУ ты можешь обьяснить?
[16:25:21] mishok13: или за мкадом жизни таки нет?
[16:25:21] Typhon: с тыла зайти
[16:25:36] огыешсук: мало ли, откуда мне знать, кто тут кто по национальности, вероисповеданию и местожительству
[16:25:37] Typhon: из-за леса, из-за аппалачей
[16:25:45] mishok13: pythonUA должен намекать
[16:26:04] огыешсук: шо? вы ВСЕ оттуда?
[16:26:19] Typhon: нет, маскали ещё есть
[16:26:29] slav0nic: да, все с чубамы и сало идять
[16:26:29] огыешсук: но вы их травите, да?
[16:26:41] slav0nic: тихо ненавидим
[16:26:48] mishok13: надо никогда не заполнять контактную информацию нигде
[16:26:52] slav0nic: )
[16:27:07] mishok13: всё равно всем на нее похуй
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[16:28:20] огыешсук: /me . o 0 (какие они нервные)
[16:28:22] mishok13: напоминает как меня на руснете спросили "Ты что, не из Днепродзержинска?"
[16:28:54] огыешсук: /me . o 0 (и национально озабоченные)
[16:29:24] mishok13: /me откусил кусок сала и закусил пампушкой с чесночком
[16:29:33] огыешсук: /me пофиг на национальности пока человек адекватен и говорит полезное
[16:30:12] mishok13: но при этом ты даже не сделал попытки спросить "откуда вылетаешь?"
[16:31:11] mishok13: useful is in the eye of the beholder
[16:31:13] огыешсук: mishok13: а зачем? мне пофиг откуда ты вылетаешь, мне интересно не летал ли кто в штаты отдельно люфтганзой и отдельно аэрофлотом. Дабы сравнить.
[16:32:16] огыешсук: Мало ли, может у люфтганзы какие-ниюудь сумашедшие плюшки есть, о которых я на аэрофлоте ни сном ни духом.
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[16:34:25] mishok13: Мало ли, может у аэрофлота какие-нибудь сумасшедшие плюшки есть, о которых я на люфтганзе ни сном ни духом
[16:34:35] огыешсук: mishok13: вот-вот
[16:35:14] mishok13: по-моему, абсолютно насрать, лишь бы самолёт был не довоенный, да полёт был покороче
[16:35:32] mishok13: короче всего из Киева получается люфтганзой
[16:35:44] mishok13: аэрофлотом из Киева никто не летает
[16:35:58] mishok13: кроме, может быть, сотрудников аэрофлота или в Россию
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[16:37:31] огыешсук: mishok13: а штаты в принципе не разрешают летать над своей территорией на довоенных самолётах, поэтому даже аэрофлоту приходится туда самые новые самолёты пускать, которые и тысячи рейсов ещё не сделали, у которых даже USB и Ethernet разъёмы в креслах есть.
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[16:41:07] mishok13: оооок
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[16:42:17] mishok13: когда мне понадобятся эти вещи и я буду знать, что их нигде кроме как в аэрофлоте нету, я обязательно сделаю крюк через Москву
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[16:44:00] огыешсук: Не хочешь ли ты сказать, что в люфтганзе таки нет USB разъёмов в креслах? Как же так? Неужто за 12 часов перелета ваши айпадики (или там у кого что) не разряжаются? Может там ещё и экрана с новейшими фильмами (для тех у кого нет айпадиков) не предусмотрено?
[16:44:12] Typhon: """ Students should be familiar with creating a class and know about recursion. No prior math level required """
Audience level: Experienced
странное понятие об experienced :-)
mishok13 ты значит с novice вообще нацелен на неучей? ^_^
[16:44:52] mishok13: огыешсук, что ты как с цепи сорвался?
[16:45:14] mishok13: во всех трансатлантических перелетах есть мониторы в спинках кресел
[16:45:20] огыешсук: А USB?
[16:45:21] mishok13: это же не рокет саенс, ёмаё
[16:45:40] mishok13: были розетки точно
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[16:45:50] mishok13: но я спал, мне как-то срать на эти технологии
[16:46:03] Typhon: кстати, mishok13 а talk ты какой сабмитил?
[16:46:12] Typhon: напомни, вроде говорил уже %)
[16:46:16] mishok13: про то, как мы в клаудмейде питон используем
[16:46:24] mishok13: в геокодинге и тайлах, как минимум
[16:46:31] огыешсук: От наличия USB зависит придётся ли смотреть ужасы по встроенному в кресла монитору (кстати, на люфтганзе тоже эти дикие многозубые коннекторы для наушников?) или на теблетке.
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[16:47:37] mishok13: ооок, мне на это похуй, поэтому я не знаю
[16:47:43] mishok13: прости меня, я подвёл тебя
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[16:48:12] огыешсук: /me не всегда удаётся заснуть на перелете, 50 на 50, что придётся весь полёт читать книжки да смотреть фильмы
[16:48:19] mishok13: Typhon, по поводу exp/novice не понятно вообще
[16:48:32] mishok13: по идее, после ревью должны были согласовать этот вопрос
[16:48:36] Typhon: а ты указывал уровень или орги поставили?
[16:48:41] mishok13: я указывал
[16:48:55] mishok13: но у всех разные представления про novice/experienced
[16:49:23] mishok13: я считаю, что novice в GIS подходит, при условии, что он хотя бы годик на питоне пописал
[16:49:29] mishok13: посмотрим, короче
[16:49:44] mishok13: я у Джесси или Вана спрошу, может подскажут чего
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[18:38:36] bobry: товарищи, этот дядька здесь бывает? https://github.com/myfreeweb
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[18:41:35] mishok13: в первый раз о таком слышу
[18:41:44] bobry: я на хабре его вижу периодически
[18:42:31] bobry: он портит django-html-mode, который в el-get/recipies качается из его репа
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[18:42:59] bobry: *-i
[18:43:15] mishok13: портит?
[18:43:29] bobry: ага, взял и переделал его на nxhtml
[18:43:42] bobry: который для всех django тегов кажет invalid markup
[18:43:45] bobry: что не удивительно
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[18:44:43] mishok13: ну дык это, отфоркайся и разрабатывай самостоятельно :)
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[18:46:20] bobry: дык вот я и хотел с ним пообщаться
[18:46:27] bobry: на тему целесообразности форка :)
[18:46:34] bobry: вернул бы он все на место и мне бы похорошело
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[18:47:46] bobry: какие кошерности https://github.com/aculich/virtualenv.el/blob/master/virtualenv.el
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[19:26:52] gigimon: никто случаем дел с mssql 2005 не имел? как туда базу огромную из sql загрущить?
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[20:34:16] bobry: товарищи, кто нить удаленно работает?
[20:34:28] bobry: какие щас адекватные hourly rates?
[20:34:33] bobry: /me слегка не в теме
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[20:36:50] Tony: зависит исключительно от того сколько ты попросишь.
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[20:38:05] Typhon: bobry, ну можно взять зп с постоянной и поделить на кол-во рабочих часов. и неможко прибавить, потому что в офисе есть печенье и чай, и за электричество платит работодатель
[20:38:26] bobry: да мне бы какие нить цифры
[20:38:35] bobry: я понимаю что it depends как говорится
[20:38:52] hu1salh1: кто нибудь практиковал SignalMapping
[20:39:01] bobry: hu1salh1: шо шо?
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[20:40:49] Typhon: можно ещё расценки проституток хороших брать за основу.
[20:41:01] bobry: разумно
[20:41:14] bobry: hu1salh1: шито тебе надо сделать? я такого слова что то в pyqt не видел
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[20:43:19] Typhon: только тоже прибавлять надо, пушо они удовольствие получают, а тебе мозг чаще трахают ^_^
[20:43:19] Tony: Typhon, в хохлостане такие дешевые проститутки?
[20:43:20] Typhon: /me практиковал только свинг ^_^
[20:43:21] hu1salh1: это когда сигналы от разных событий идут в один слот с разными параметрами и дальше идет своя логика решения
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[20:43:38] Tony: вообще секс отстой
[20:43:44] Tony: (с) Вассерман
[20:43:59] Typhon: Tony, я в маскве ^_^
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[20:44:33] Tony: не люблю москву.
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[20:45:47] bobry: hu1salh1: ну в питоне с этим же никаких проблем, не? *args, **kwargs
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[20:46:33] hu1salh1: есть код с SignalMapping который работает в QMainWindow и Qdialog, но таже логика реализованая на Qwidget чего то не срабатывает и главное ошибок никаких не выдает
[20:47:45] bobry: код в студию
[20:48:00] hu1salh1: может кто посмотрит и скажет в каком месте недокрутил?
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[20:52:19] hu1salh1: http://dumpz.org/27877/
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[20:53:44] hu1salh1: http://dumpz.org/27879/
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[20:54:27] bobry: хмм
[20:54:45] bobry: а зачем тебе fromUtf8 для имен сигналов?
[20:55:02] hu1salh1: я не выкладывал код самих форм но если кому надо могу выложить
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[20:55:55] hu1salh1: вообще-то эта функция генерируется pyuic
[20:56:21] hu1salh1: но это на случай если будут проблемы с кодировками
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[20:56:50] bobry: не знаю как она может помочь :)
[20:57:23] hu1salh1: ну сделана по автомату и не мешает значит пусть будет
[20:57:44] bobry: я вот че думаю
[20:57:47] bobry: может нафик тебе этот mapper?
[20:57:54] hu1salh1: неа
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[20:58:14] hu1salh1: без него код увеличивается в десятки раз
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[20:58:52] hu1salh1: в этой форме 10 кнопок а в других до 50 и этих форм десяток
[20:59:02] hu1salh1: короче mapper самый оптимал
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[21:00:05] bobry: ну просто можно написать цикл, который всем QButton повесит signal handler
[21:00:11] bobry: вместо явного перечисления .connect()
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[21:01:07] Typhon: bobry, так им же разные обработчики нужны
[21:01:07] hu1salh1: мне connect достаточно удобен
[21:01:10] Typhon: *могут быть нужны
[21:01:24] hu1salh1: именно что разные
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[21:01:38] bobry: хмм
[21:01:44] hu1salh1: там много ньюансов по вызову сигналов
[21:02:04] hu1salh1: по этому передача параметров в mapper самое оно
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[21:05:45] hu1salh1: http://dumpz.org/27881/ это код формы для run.py чтобы понять о чем речь
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[21:33:05] огыешсук: bobry: а зачем тебе адекватные hourly rates? Напиши лучше, ту цифру, что тебе самому понравится, и попробуй найти на неё заказчиков.
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[21:33:57] bobry: да мне в общем то все равно
[21:34:10] огыешсук: тогда к чему вопрос?
[21:34:18] Typhon: ну тогда бери свою зп. вычисляй сколько в час ты по ней получаешь
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[21:34:34] Typhon: учитывай аммортизацию домашнего компа и производственных помещений (квартиры)
[21:34:57] Typhon: + затраты на отопление, воду, канц. товары и проч.
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[21:35:34] Typhon: и получишь нужную тебе для покрытия твоих расходов и получения прибыли, сравнимой с постоянной работой, ставку
[21:35:48] bobry: Typhon: обстоятельный подход :)
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[21:36:30] огыешсук: Если нужны цифры, то индусы с китайцами согласны работать за 3$/h, опытные консультанты берут от 100$/h, остальные где-то посерёдке (а если честно, то абсолютное большинство недалеко от индусов уходит)
[21:36:58] Typhon: 3 бакса это ж пиздец.
[21:37:01] bobry: ну $3h это совсем неприлично
[21:37:08] Typhon: я помню, лорьен, кажется, 20-25 говорил
[21:37:14] bobry: я летом работал за $15 и мне казалось шо эта много
[21:37:16] огыешсук: я то согласный, это ты индусам с китайцами объясни
[21:37:22] огыешсук: чтобы цену не сбивали
[21:37:24] огыешсук: сволочи
[21:37:27] bobry: лол
[21:37:32] bobry: демпинг ага
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[21:38:25] огыешсук: а 15 это тоже мало, от 20 уже можно кое-как жить
[21:39:00] bobry: огыешсук: для провинциального городка норм
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[21:39:42] Typhon: а работодатель из провинциального был?
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[21:40:35] огыешсук: если работы есть хотя бы часов на 5 в день, то при ставке 20 имеем два килобакса в месяц, что не сказать, чтобы много, вот если три это уже куда ни шло, да
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[21:40:59] огыешсук: а больше 5 часов в сутки работать это мало у кого на самом деле получается
[21:41:20] bobry: огыешсук: true
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[21:43:48] bobry: работодатель был из SF
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[21:53:20] xa4a: если работодатель не знаком с отечественным рынком, то посмотрев на $20 подумает, что ты не далеко от индуса ушёл
[21:54:01] xa4a: ладно, 15 :)
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[22:00:46] bobry: мм...
[22:00:54] bobry: не исключаю и такой вариант :)
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[22:33:35] bobry: не напомните иде в QuerySet спрятано количество запросов в базу?
[22:33:41] bobry: что то не могу найти
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[22:36:09] xa4a: .count() ?
[22:36:13] xa4a: аэ
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[22:36:21] xa4a: спрятано количество запросов? О.о
[22:36:37] xa4a: len(django.db.connection.queries) когда-то было
[22:36:48] xa4a: если ты об этом
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[22:37:06] xa4a: ещё количество спрятано в select_related(), можно сказать
[22:37:09] xa4a: *прячется
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[22:40:26] bobry: хмм, щас попробую мерси
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