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[06:39:41] webninja: блин сломался интерфейс администратора я даже хз в чем дело =(
[06:40:15] webninja: Page not found (404) Request Method: GET Request URL: http://localhost:8000/manage/auth/group/add/
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[08:27:01] webninja: пипец
[08:27:29] webninja: (r'^manage/', include(admin.site.urls)), если к регулярке прибавить $ то работать не будет жесть. а я чето думаю как так не стоит, надо поставить
[08:27:32] webninja: поставил блин
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[08:33:43] wiz_: читайте доки, они рулез
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[08:39:04] webninja: читаю
[08:39:18] webninja: доков много
[08:39:33] webninja: тем более че просто так читать? надо делать и разбираться попутно
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[09:03:16] webninja: http://dumpz.org/27964/
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[09:11:41] wiz_: webninja, плохо читешь.
[09:11:48] webninja: да =(
[09:11:51] webninja: времени мало
[09:12:13] webninja: расскажи как селект сделать
[09:12:20] wiz_: http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.2/topics/db/queries/#backwards-related-objects
[09:12:27] webninja: вот
[09:12:30] webninja: это я щаз читаю
[09:13:28] webninja: 5 сек
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[09:18:19] webninja: блять is named FOO_set, where FOO is the source model name, lowercased.
[09:18:21] webninja: !!!!
[09:18:28] webninja: невнимательность меня губит =(
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[09:18:47] webninja: все заработало. спасибо )
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[09:47:14] xa4a: первый раз в инете спросили Country of Birth
[09:47:20] xa4a: вбил по привычке Ukraine
[09:47:27] xa4a: а тут - The country of birth entered did not exist on the date of birth entered.
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[09:54:09] mishok13: бгыгыг
[09:54:12] mishok13: и правда ведь
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[09:54:43] mishok13: я в англицком посольстве честно написал USSR в поле Country of Birth
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[09:55:55] mishok13: чото я не в восторге от pep 3333
[09:56:57] mishok13: хотя портировать будет проще в разы, конечно
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[10:05:52] webninja: а что там в 3 питоне?
[10:06:13] deepwalker: mishok13, а какие у тебя замечания на его счет?
[10:06:29] deepwalker: webninja, в доке есть что нового, да и вообще в интернетах
[10:06:34] deepwalker: там много просто
[10:06:52] deepwalker: так что я бы рекомендовал почитать самостоятельно : )
[10:07:13] webninja: я имею в виду много уже портировали на него?
[10:07:21] deepwalker: а, нет
[10:07:31] mishok13: ну, я на уровне wsgi вообще ничего не пишу, но замечания в pep 444 мне казались разумными
[10:07:39] webninja: так то я читал немножко
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[10:08:06] mishok13: тут может еще мои персональные преференции относительно PJE, которого я считаю слегка неадекватным
[10:08:52] wiz_: !google pep 3333
[10:09:04] deepwalker: !google pep 444
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[11:22:00] Darth Лис is now Ура! У меня не новый ### Infium, а совершенно другая программа, скачать можно с http://www.pidgin.im/
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[12:27:50] alecs: ребят , вопрос по поводу sql-injection && django : в базе лежат не экранированные значения ведь ?
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[12:32:15] xa4a: alecs: если ты используешь ORM, он за тебя все вопросы решает
[12:32:30] xa4a: но ты, к сожалению, не совсем понимаешь, что спрашиваешь
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[12:35:15] alecs: спасибо :)
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[12:53:22] огыешсук: скорее совсем не понимаешь
[12:53:28] огыешсук: неэкранированные значения в базе
[12:53:33] огыешсук: надо же было придумать
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[13:02:49] _lorien: в базе лежат сырые значения, экранирование нужно, чтобы составить правильный sql-запрос, так чтобы в любом случае в базу попали данные и чтобы они не были интерпретированы иначе (в угоду злоумышленнику)
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[13:06:52] _lorien: Ещё некоторые люди любят эскейпить опасные html-символы и прямо так хранить в бд, чтобы при выводе сайт не сломался. Тоже то ещё извращение :)
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[13:07:07] _lorien: Я так делал когда-то :o)
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[13:09:55] mishok13: ну ты ковбой, бляха
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[13:12:36] огыешсук: джанга ж их сама эскейпит, если |safe не сказануть
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[13:22:18] _lorien: не, когда я так делал, я только php постигать начинал
[13:22:44] _lorien: сколько там джанге годков, может и не было её ещё тогда
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[13:45:35] _lorien: В django-registration уже можно по бырому без костылей замутить регистрацию-авторизацию по полю email?
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[13:55:26] _lorien: чёзатупость
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[13:56:14] wiz_: и правда, кому нужен этот email
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[13:57:32] _lorien: на куче сайтов часто вижу регистрацию по емайлу
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[14:11:28] огыешсук: Как по мне, так регистрация должна быть по броузеру. Зашел чел, сайт узнал его броузер (ну там по флеш куке или по традиционной куке) и всё -- чем зарегистрированный. Если захочет, то введёт какие нибудь openid/email/whathever и получит более стабильную регистрацию, но это опциональный шаг и если чел не чистит куки и не меняет броузеры, то енфорсить его на введение дополнительных данных не надо.
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[14:11:42] огыешсук: Вот только лень всё это в виде бакэнда оформлять, да.
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[14:14:07] _lorien: Тут палка о двух концах. Чем больше всяких наворотов, тем больше шансов, что где-то что-то вылезет. Иногда просто кайфуешь когда пользуешься чем-то простым, оно простое как жопа, но работает и не ломается.
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[14:16:08] огыешсук: Для юзера то как раз я описал простейший вариант. Чем пришел, а права у него как у зарегистрированного -- настройки там, личный счет, персонализации. Чел радостен.
[14:16:43] _lorien: Я имею в виду, что чем сложнее система внутри, тем больше шансов, что будут косяки снаружи. Неважно прост или сложен интерфейс.
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[14:17:18] _lorien: Тут как минимум у кого-нить может похериться личный счёт и настройки, когда ёбнется винда с куками :)
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[14:18:59] огыешсук: ok, по финансовым вопросам надо будет энфорсить введение как минимум емейла
[14:19:42] огыешсук: но не раньше
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[14:21:12] _lorien: Для меня компромиссом возможно было бы введение емайла без пароля, на емайл высылается временный пароль и чел юзает сайт до тех пор, пока у него кука не ёбнется или он не захочет с другого компа зайти, тогда он лезет в почту смотреть пароль.
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[14:21:49] _lorien: Можно ещё не пароль высылать на емайл (первый раз), а ссылку для установки пароля.
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[15:16:29] wiz_: знания то это понятно. а делать то что надо?
[15:16:31] wiz_: полы мыть в серверной?
[15:16:45] _lorien: Нормальная зарплата для провинции :) Пойдёт студент-недоучка или человек, себя неценящий. В любом случае ок :)
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[15:17:20] _lorien: Хотя для студента жирновато, конечно )
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[15:17:57] nmk: _lorien: у нас провинция провинциальней вашей провинции :)
[15:18:18] nmk: wiz: делать. да я закрыл уже. администрировать 50, что-ли, компов, 1с и еще что-то
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[15:21:08] tarnoga: а фотошоп???
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[15:21:21] nmk: а AIAX? :)
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[15:25:34] tarnoga: короче из всего этого надо будет делать ИС класса ERP
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[15:26:48] _lorien: вчера ходил смотреть 3d кино - лажа какая-то
[15:26:55] webninja: да
[15:26:58] webninja: мне тоже не нравится
[15:27:05] nmk: _lorien: скоро порево будет
[15:27:12] webninja: уже есть
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[15:28:00] webninja: есть с рисоваными актрисами =) 3d
[15:28:08] tarnoga: с учетом того что 3д кино уще больше 50 лет - порево наверняка уже было
[15:28:11] webninja: анимация
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[15:29:21] nmk: ph скоро канал откроет
[15:29:40] webninja: кто?
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[15:30:41] _lorien: я после 15 минут просмотра снял очки и смотрел без них )
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[15:31:11] _lorien: Я так могу на содержании фильма сосредоточиться, а не на ебанутых эффектах :) Хотя содержания там особо не было (фильм трон)
[15:31:30] wiz_: прон в 3д?
[15:32:09] _lorien: ага, хуем будут тыкать в зрителей :)
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[15:40:42] nmk: penthouse
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[15:51:31] xa4a: да давно ж уже есть в инете
[15:51:40] xa4a: именно стереокартинкой
[15:51:44] xa4a: ой, палюсь
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[15:51:59] xa4a: подключай fleshlight и фпирёд
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[15:52:57] bobry: fleshlight? :D
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[15:53:15] wiz_: !google django fleshlight
[15:53:16] wiz_: ой
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[15:58:03] xa4a: а, ещё kinect
[15:58:12] xa4a: /me пошёл обновлять !projidea
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[15:59:38] wiz_: для кинекта уже есть прон
[15:59:49] wiz_: правда без обратной связи уг
[16:00:22] mishok13: с обратной связью советуют женщину
[16:00:24] xa4a: мс запретил игрушку
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[16:01:01] nmk: mishok13: чё еще за женщины?
[16:01:21] xa4a: nmk: не ведись
[16:01:57] mishok13: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woman
[16:02:05] mishok13: тут вроде описано, но это википедия
[16:02:12] mishok13: хуй знает кто туда пишет
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[16:03:07] nmk: слишком сложно
[16:03:43] mishok13: ну, high learning curve, согласен, но потом всё интуитивно понятно
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[16:05:25] xa4a: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Paula_Khan.jpg где найти такую?
[16:05:41] _lorien: А у меня на руле нет нихуя, пластмассовый такой или резиновый, стоит на него чехол надевать?
[16:05:41] xa4a: ей только панцырь протереть бы
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[16:05:59] nmk: черепаху?
[16:06:23] nmk: _lorien: ты тачку купил? тебе дали? :)
[16:06:32] nmk: кого ты там катать хотел
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[16:07:48] _lorien: а :))
[16:08:26] _lorien: я ей говорю, поехали кататься, а она: нет. Я поехал домой и в стоб уебался нечаянно :)
[16:08:32] _lorien: * столб
[16:08:56] _lorien: Гм, ну вот, с октября та тачилла на СТО стоит, до сих пор руки не дошли починить. А ща на другой езжу.
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[16:09:36] _lorien: Я потом хорошую девочку встретил. Вот её и катаю теперь :)
[16:09:41] nmk: зря тачку покупал
[16:09:45] nmk: а
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[16:12:41] _lorien: http://cs11058.vk.com/u19528505/125689812/x_bf2452a9.jpg :)
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[16:14:35] gigimon: _lorien: я думаю все ожидали фото девушки
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[16:17:39] Tony: а это легендарный пиздоглазый движок
[16:18:29] Tony: _lorien, почему стойка до конца не закреплена?
[16:18:35] nmk: другая тачка, другая девочка
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[16:21:31] _lorien: http://lorien.name/static/pub/65714608b155ee48f0419ff821b03114.png
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[16:22:01] _lorien: хм, не знаю, видно, что на левой стойке тоже болта нет
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[16:24:51] _lorien: А чо за пиздоглазый движок?
[16:24:58] _lorien: двигло 2E
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[17:03:21] Tony: если уж пошла такая пьянка. это мой воркплейс http://pix.academ.org/img/2011/01/13/56e8b56bcfa2afd1ff00f31bf94301a4.jpg
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[17:04:17] bobry: сколько мониторов :)
[17:04:21] Tony: 2
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[17:04:39] bobry: это не вопрос
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[17:08:39] _lorien: чё-то не открывается у меня
[17:08:50] _lorien: Tony: что за пиздоглазый движок?
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[17:09:18] Tony: _lorien, японский движок конца 80 начала 90. они все легендарные. :)
[17:09:37] mishok13: по ссылке не вижу имакса
[17:09:42] gigimon: Tony: ничего так
[17:10:06] mishok13: колонки слишком дохуя места занимают
[17:10:08] _lorien: фак, у меня не открываеццо
[17:10:16] mishok13: и где бумага и ручка?
[17:10:26] _lorien: ща свой зафотаю )
[17:10:28] Tony: да. колонки эти временно. пока kenwood в ремонте.
[17:10:39] gigimon: Tony: повесь их
[17:10:43] slav0nic: ты фанат Белоснежки!
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[17:10:45] slav0nic: клёва
[17:10:49] slav0nic: :P
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[17:10:59] mishok13: хыхы
[17:11:26] Tony: slav0nic, ага. я по ним прикалываюсь. :)
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[17:13:49] _lorien: http://lorien.name/static/pub/2e031dd16a645ea42eabcaa4461c0275.png
[17:14:01] webninja: http://i52.tinypic.com/20qc3km.jpg вот мой воркплэйс
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[17:14:56] Tony: _lorien, самое true
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[17:15:04] webninja: хаха тока что глянул
[17:15:15] Tony: webninja, убери эту каталку для клавы. неудобно же.
[17:15:20] _lorien: Tony: у меня чё-то твоя ссылко глючит
[17:15:25] webninja: блин жаль нет фоток у меня предыдущий вокрплэйс был еще трушнее
[17:15:38] webninja: я уже убрал каталку )
[17:15:44] gigimon: блин, а у меня все фотики при настройке уменьшают яркость
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[17:16:03] webninja: http://i52.tinypic.com/2ev3xi1.jpg а вот собака )
[17:16:14] gigimon: webninja: собака крутая)))
[17:16:18] mishok13: блядь, и факс, и мфу
[17:16:30] mishok13: зачем это всё дома, тем более рядом с компьютером?
[17:16:48] Tony: _lorien, http://tony.su/wp.jpg перекопировал
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[17:17:11] gigimon: mishok13: наверно факс просто там стоит не подключеный
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[17:17:35] webninja: да )
[17:17:35] mishok13: нахуй он нужен тогда
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[17:17:41] mishok13: выбросить с балкона
[17:18:35] webninja: недавно кресло купил
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[17:18:52] webninja: ващееее очень круто. способствует работе )
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[17:19:25] Tony: я не любллю кресла с пятилучиями. почему-то от них спина болит.
[17:19:31] webninja: все должно быть максимально удобно
[17:19:39] gigimon: эх
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[17:19:44] gigimon: надо б тоже кресло купить
[17:19:46] _lorien: ага, с tony.su открывается
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[17:20:15] _lorien: Tony: у меня раньше такое же было кресло, тока без ручек, точно так же протёрлось )
[17:20:29] inzem: всем привет, есть ли функция, которая считает кол-во байт в строке ?
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[17:21:01] Tony: у меня еще правая сторона кресла которая функции ножек выполняет отвалилась. я посадил на саморезы. но садиться страшновато. тоже новое надо. :)
[17:21:06] _lorien: inzem: есть
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[17:21:30] gigimon: Tony: кресло есть, но ты стоишь?)
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[17:21:49] Tony: да нет сижу как-то. но один хрен страшновато.
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[17:25:20] Tony: я сейчас другое кресло хочу купить. оно 3 т.р стоит.
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[17:27:25] _lorien: а моё 4тр, со спинкой из кожезама, а ваще оч нравится за 8, но я денег жлоблю
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[17:27:55] _lorien: в смысле, хочу за 4, а стул деревянный на фотке вроде 1к стоит или меньше, из икеи
[17:28:21] _lorien: стол тоже из икеи, кухонный, мне понравилось, шо он из дерева, без полировки, прямо дерево ощущается настоящее, чуть шероховатое
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[17:30:12] _lorien: http://www.ikea.com/ru/ru/catalog/products/30185974 воо :)
[17:30:31] _lorien: у него спинка назад откидывается, так что можно почти спать :)
[17:30:50] _lorien: правда, наверное, если заснуть, то потом ёбнешься затылком :-/
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[17:31:24] _lorien: в жару наверное оно хорошо проветривается т.к. спина вся в дырках и башка не устаёт т..к. опирается на спинку высокую
[17:31:40] Tony: был бы не крутящимся.
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[17:32:10] _lorien: ваще у меня раньше был стул с колёсиками. так меня доставало, шо он ездил, когда я не хочу )
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[17:36:03] webninja: http://exclusio.ru/78/
[17:36:10] webninja: вот такое бы втарить )
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[17:36:25] webninja: когда нибудь обязательно возьму чтонибудь подобное )
[17:36:43] Tony: хуета. долго не просидишь так. надо двигаться хоть как-то.
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[17:37:54] webninja: встал - подвигался
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[17:39:18] Tony: вот это бы я купил
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[17:40:25] Tony: http://prezidentnsk.ru/sites/default/files/imagecache/product_full/%D0%9D%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%8B%D0%B9%20%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%83%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BA_56.png либо вот это
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[17:43:26] _lorien: вот такое бы втарить )
Кресло для инквизиции? Локти на весу - руки устанут через полчаса )
[17:43:45] webninja: ну я говорю подобное ) есть покручи дизайны канешно
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[17:43:47] webninja: более продуманные
[17:44:01] webninja: фишка что садишься в кресло пилота =)
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[17:44:26] _lorien: у меня была идея, дома кресло из тайотки какой-нить поставить :)
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[17:50:41] _lorien: Внедрение сачмы в проект закончилось тем, что я выкинул нахуй сачму :-/
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[17:51:37] webninja: что за сачма?
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[18:04:51] _lorien: сачма - это ебанутый адовый ад
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[18:06:20] _lorien: для стандартного магаз возможно её можно заюзать, но шобы делять всякие специфичные вещи, нужно сильно разбираться в её устройстве и получается проще будет написать заново только то, что нужно. Получится чистый код, который ты понимаешь. А вот внутри сачмы хер чо поймёшь.
[18:06:36] _lorien: Например, внутри неё лежит похаченный django-registration :)
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[18:07:46] Magister Yoda: Приветствую всех!
[18:08:50] Magister Yoda: http://dumpz.org/28037/ кто-нибудь знает из-за чего возникает данная ошибка?
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[18:11:14] Magister Yoda: всё так плохо что ли? куда все уходят?
[18:11:50] _lorien: за хлебом
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[18:17:23] undefined: Magister Yoda: выскажу предположение. наверное, ты в файле настроек проекта использовал где-то кириллицу
[18:17:35] _lorien: ха, прикольная собака :)
[18:17:38] Magister Yoda: http://rghost.ru/3925658
[18:17:48] Magister Yoda: нету
[18:17:49] Magister Yoda: нету
[18:19:00] Magister Yoda: это я по книге делаю
[18:20:00] _lorien: Гексакосиойгексеконтагексафобия По утверждению некоторых СМИ, у болезненного страха перед числом 666 есть наукоподобное название — «Гексакосиойгексеконтагексафобия»[19], так как «шестьсот шестьдесят шесть» по-гречески пишется как «hexakosioi hexēkonta hex» (др.-греч. ἑξακόσιοι ἑξήκοντα ἕξ). Приступ этой болезни был показан в эпизоде «The Honking» мультсериала Футурама.
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[18:21:39] undefined: Magister Yoda: так заработает?
u'ENGINE': 'sqlite3'
u'NAME': 'E:/projects/Django/djcode/mysite/db/django.db'
[18:22:05] undefined: 'ENGINE': u'sqlite3'
'NAME': u'E:/projects/Django/djcode/mysite/db/django.db'
[18:22:08] undefined: т.е. так
[18:22:17] Magister Yoda: ща попробую, хотя тут чел на канале Джанги говорит что у него всё норм
[18:22:41] Magister Yoda: неа, тоже самое
[18:22:47] undefined: у него линукс, наверное, стоит :) а тебя винда
[18:22:57] Magister Yoda: нет, он сказал что под вендой
[18:24:52] Magister Yoda: до того как подключил django.contrib - всё было нормально
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[18:28:25] undefined: можно еще попробывать добавить
# -*- coding: utf-8 -*-
в начало settings.py
[18:29:38] Magister Yoda: удалил файл БД и заново создаю http://dumpz.org/28042/
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[18:30:19] Magister Yoda: undefined: не помогло
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[18:32:49] undefined: execute_manager(settings.decode('utf-8'))
или
execute_manager(settings.encode('utf-8'))
попробывать каждый из вариантов
[18:33:10] undefined: ай, ли это не строка?
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[18:36:11] Magister Yoda: это вроде как имя файла настроек
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[18:37:31] undefined: туплю
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[18:40:59] undefined: не знаю тогда
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[18:42:16] Magister Yoda: >до того как подключил django.contrib - всё было нормально
[18:43:11] Magister Yoda: может это трабл в Джанге 1.2.4?
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[19:32:46] bobry: блин, вот это тест мне прислали
[19:32:51] bobry: "Покажите пример, в котором бы lambda-функция фигурировала в качестве итерируемого объекта у функции map()"
[19:33:08] bobry: вопрос сходу — нафига, второй вопрос знающим товарищам — это вообще возможно?
[19:33:23] bobry: там же iterable тожно быть, т.е. либо генератор, либо объект с __iter__
[19:33:44] gigimon: может с подковыркой?)
[19:33:47] bobry: ну можно ее в iter() обернуть конечно
[19:33:58] bobry: но это уже не "в качестве итерируемого объекта"
[19:34:03] bobry: /me в ступоре
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[19:36:28] gigimon: bobry: придумаешь - напиши, интересно
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[19:38:24] wiz: /me придумал
[19:38:59] bobry: wiz: hint?
[19:39:05] wiz: map(whatever, lambda x: iter(some_big_shit))
[19:39:11] bobry: ...
[19:39:18] bobry: это не честно
[19:39:31] bobry: кстати это не запустится
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[19:39:33] wiz: хотя не
[19:39:34] wiz: ага
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[19:40:53] wiz: TypeError: argument 2 to map() must support iteration
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[19:41:03] bobry: ага
[19:41:09] wiz: видимо это можно использовать вместо raise TypeError ((8
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[19:41:23] bobry: что что?
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[19:41:52] wiz: эффект такой же
[19:42:10] bobry: :))
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[19:42:44] wiz: а вот как ЭТО использовать, пусть останется на совести спрашивающего (=
[19:42:59] bobry: ну там ко всем вопросам пишут как можно более компактный код
[19:43:07] bobry: как будто они за строчки кода зп выдают
[19:43:22] wiz: или отнимают
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[19:46:08] wiz: /me тут почитал справку по map
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[19:46:42] wiz: получается что zip это просто map(lambda *args:args, iterable[, iterable, ...])
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[20:08:43] tnr: [09:06:35 PM] Magister Yoda: на pythonua@conference.jabber.ru зайдите пожалуйста кто-нить и скажите, чтобы Magister Yoda кикнули
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[20:09:51] wiz: а под другим ником никак чтоль?
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[20:11:02] Ildar: здрасти
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[20:11:13] tnr: всем привет. пипец у бота вопрос. со второго раза ответил, первой реакцией было "O_O какие нафиг могут быть проблемы с питоном?"
[20:11:17] deepwalker: м, хорошее начало
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[20:11:28] deepwalker: а какой у бота вопрос?
[20:11:33] Ildar: тупой
[20:11:36] tnr: wiz, ну это не ко мне уже. я типа болен) мне можно
[20:11:37] огыешсук: питона главное на шею не вешать
[20:11:40] deepwalker: ну дык скажите
[20:11:43] tnr: [09:07:02 PM] silent_bob: Для того, чтоб получить право голоса, ответьте на простой вопрос: Первое, что вы делаете, при возникновении проблем с python?
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[20:12:01] tnr: silent_bob, а я верю в анальгин
[20:12:07] deepwalker: и какой ответ??
[20:12:08] tnr: вот это правильно
[20:12:11] tnr: deepwalker, pdb
[20:12:15] tnr: второе, что пришло в голову
[20:12:16] deepwalker: брр
[20:12:22] deepwalker: ни разу не запускал
[20:12:24] огыешсук: а почему не rtfm?
[20:12:34] огыешсук: или там google
[20:12:45] огыешсук: /me почти никогда pdb не юзал
[20:12:55] огыешсук: ибо нефиг, логи наше всё
[20:13:06] deepwalker: трейс все расскажет и покажет, почти
[20:13:12] огыешсук: /me не прошел бы капчу :o(
[20:13:17] tnr: однако давно меня тут не было
[20:13:33] tnr: не ну я тоже не сразу прошел
[20:13:44] tnr: сначала ж реально не понимал, какие проблемы
[20:14:04] tnr: трейсбэк в питоне - не проблема, а руководство к действию
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[20:14:16] tnr: а вот если реально нипанятна - тогда pdb
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[20:14:32] tnr: ну ща другим акком зайду
[20:14:39] tnr: попробую ему rtfm или google написать
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[20:14:46] огыешсук: если реально непонятно, тогда отладочные логи, какой нафиг pdb, кто эти вопросы только составляет?
[20:14:58] !tmp~: гм, не канает
[20:15:14] !tmp~: этим акком я тут все же запомнен
[20:15:20] !tmp~: им и останусь тогда уж
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[20:16:37] !tmp~: огыешсук, ну интерактивно поизучать ситуацию со всеми локалсами в месте возникновения ошибки все-таки проще, чем расставлять принты
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[20:17:16] огыешсук: нифига не проще
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[20:17:34] огыешсук: разве что для hello word`а
[20:17:51] огыешсук: а обычная программа является не самодостаточной, а частью некоей инфраструктуры
[20:18:23] огыешсук: и замучаешься руками все нужные параметры вбивать, чтобы воспроизвести проблему
[20:18:28] !tmp~: огыешсук, а если ты пришел за багом в чужой быдлокод на 100500 строк, и понимаешь, что здесь ему надо бы объект, а вот какой - хз
[20:19:03] !tmp~: читать 100500 строк быдлокода для понимания структуры и причин использования каждого объекта нет ни малейшего
[20:19:08] !tmp~: желания
[20:19:25] огыешсук: тогда чем тебе поможет pdb супротив трейса и отладочных логов?
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[20:19:39] Ildar: делать сайт на джанге на ОС винда норм?
[20:19:41] !tmp~: и иногда можно тупо глянуть через pdb локалсы на предмет соответствия запрашиваемым свойствам
[20:19:48] Ildar: или линух надо?
[20:20:00] !tmp~: Ildar, "на ОС винда" - уже ненормальным попахивает
[20:20:17] !tmp~: Ildar, но ты меня не слушай, а то я щас еще и пхп начну говном поливать
[20:20:26] !tmp~: мне тока повод дай
[20:20:28] Ildar: :))
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[20:21:15] огыешсук: Ildar: не норм, извр
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[20:21:47] огыешсук: вообще непонятно, как этой дурацкой виндой кто-то ещё пользуется, она ж хужеет с каждой версией
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[20:22:09] !tmp~: огыешсук, короче, реальный пример. железка с встраиваемой open-wrt, в ней крутится экосистема с питонными плагинами. в одном из них просто недореализована инициализация одного из компонентов, сбинденного из сишного модуля
[20:22:24] !tmp~: строк кода реально 100500, времени - over 9k микросекунд
[20:22:42] огыешсук: xp помню всё доставала с "перезагрузи меня! ПОЖАЛУЙСТА!!!", а win 7 даже и не достаёт, просто молча перезагружает комп и плевать ей что у тебя там тыща важных приложений запущено
[20:23:10] !tmp~: воткнул pdb, проинспектил локалсы, нашел подходящий по смыслу (имени и атрибутам) объект в них, проинициализировал, передал куда надо - работает.
[20:23:43] огыешсук: ну я понял, pdb для быдлофиксинга быдлокодинга
[20:23:44] !tmp~: это такая знаешь ли рулетка. если бы такой быстрый способ не помог, пришлось бы читать код. а он быдло, ну правда.
[20:23:58] !tmp~: а голова то болит, а таблетки то кончились
[20:24:10] !tmp~: огыешсук, во, все правильно понял. но это в данном частном случае :)
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[20:24:47] !tmp~: а ваще я 1 раз в дельфях такой странный глюк поймал.. без дебаггера не сдал бы наверное мой друг диплом
[20:24:58] !tmp~: там бесполезно было расставлять принты
[20:25:31] !tmp~: на строке вида a = 1 изменялась никак не связанная переменная b, которую на расстоянии 3 экранов кода никто даже не трогал
[20:25:47] !tmp~: хоть обложись логами - хрен такое заметишь, ну разве что повезет
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[20:26:20] !tmp~: вылечилось презабавнейше - поменял местами две строки объявлений переменных, среди которых была "a" и еще какая-то
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[20:26:41] !tmp~: и все. с тех пор имею основания на неуважение дельфей
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[20:27:46] !tmp~: вот для подобных случаев дебаггер все-таки поинтересней, чем логи, нэ?
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[20:30:21] огыешсук: если занимаешься отладкой эзотерики всякой, а не нормальные программизмом
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[20:31:32] !tmp~: огыешсук, в нормальном программизме я чето даже трейсбэки нечасто вижу
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[20:31:52] !tmp~: питон - он суровый. еще толком и не написано ничего, а уже все работает..
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[20:32:26] !tmp~: Sevenov, ты живой штоли?
[20:33:03] Sevenov: !tmp~, хэээй, какие человеки. Да :3
[20:33:08] !tmp~: охренеть
[20:33:09] Sevenov: сам как?
[20:33:33] !tmp~: да я в ростер к тебе ломлюсь, а ты молчишь как партизан) сам живой, с некоторыми изменениями
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[20:34:00] Sevenov: !tmp~, кстати, да. У меня косяк какой-то был пару месяцев назад. Удали меня и стукни заново.
[20:34:14] !tmp~: аа
[20:34:15] !tmp~: тогда понятно
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[20:42:29] vanuch: привет всем. есть тут люди которые работали с pywebkitgtk?
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[21:02:16] bobry: vanuch: у gajim'a есть
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[21:04:27] bobry: о ло ло
[21:04:36] bobry: надумал я как сделать генератор из лямбды
[21:04:41] bobry: всего то скобочки нужны были
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[21:04:46] bobry: lambda: (yield)
[21:05:42] bobry: хотя это тоже нечестно
[21:05:46] wiz: o_O
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[21:06:33] bobry: ну т.е. можно сделать map(..., (lambda: (yield 1))())
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[21:06:49] wiz: lambda:(x for x in 'abc')
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[21:07:25] bobry: я и говорю нечестно
[21:07:33] bobry: потому что мы вызываем лямбду
[21:07:46] !tmp~: а че делаете то?
[21:08:06] wiz: не, нифига
[21:08:12] bobry: !tmp~: да меня тут озадачили заюзать лямбду в качестве второго аргумента map
[21:08:17] wiz: без елды не прокатывает
[21:08:20] bobry: ага
[21:08:28] bobry: если они мне расскажут решение — выложу сюда :)
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[21:09:32] !tmp~: а кто озадачил?
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[21:10:12] bobry: да тест прохожу для работы
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[21:11:48] !tmp~: map(lambda x:x, iter((lambda: None,))) бггг
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[21:12:47] bobry: не то, к тому же у тебя будет список из функций
[21:12:47] wiz: в iter нечестно заворачивать
[21:13:37] !tmp~: :]
[21:13:42] !tmp~: /me нечестный
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[21:13:57] !tmp~: а во что честно? модифицировать созданную лямбду честно?
[21:14:39] bobry: нет
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[21:15:12] wiz: вызывать лямбду в скобках имхо тоже нечестно
[21:15:17] wiz: а без вызова не прокатывает
[21:15:23] !tmp~: ну здрасте
[21:15:36] !tmp~: второму аргументу map нужен iterable
[21:15:52] !tmp~: если не вызывать и не модифицировать лямбду, она им не станет
[21:15:54] bobry: лол, ну в этом сложность как раз
[21:16:08] bobry: я надеялся что yield в теле сделает ее генератором
[21:16:10] bobry: но увы и ах
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[21:16:55] !tmp~: map(... , (lambda:None,))
[21:16:57] !tmp~: ы
[21:17:00] !tmp~: ну это глупо
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[21:17:33] wiz: это и не сработает
[21:18:09] !tmp~: ну понятно, еще скобок нагородить, списком ее сделать
[21:18:19] !tmp~: типа, а што, это просто скобке
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[21:19:24] !tmp~: зато мап подменять никто не запрещал ^^
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[21:20:18] wiz: да хрен с ним с мапом
[21:20:33] wiz: лямбду сделать итерабл без внешних манипуляций не получится
[21:21:11] !tmp~: да и с внешними
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[21:21:13] !tmp~: ибо билтин
[21:21:19] wiz: с внешними получится
[21:21:37] bobry: довесить ей __iter__ и next() вай нот
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[21:21:57] !tmp~: да это я уже попробовал)
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[21:22:15] !tmp~: в сторону подмены базовых классов мысленно ушел уже
[21:23:18] wiz: !tmp~, ну допустим у тебя получится. теперь придумай к этому юз кейс
[21:23:28] wiz: собственно это исходный вопрос
[21:23:38] !tmp~: wiz, к подмене базового класса? уже делал, и со смыслом
[21:23:46] wiz: к лямбде в мапе
[21:23:53] !tmp~: а вот юзкейс для лямбды в качестве ... ага, вряд ли)
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[21:24:06] !tmp~: по моему, они гонят
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[21:26:35] !tmp~: попробовал и ушел - в смысле, оно выплюнуло TypeError: 'function' object is not iterable, поэтому ушел
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[21:26:55] wiz: какбы да
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[21:27:17] !tmp~: так что это не достаточное условие)
[21:27:57] wiz: /me предложил использовать map + lambda в качестве замены raise TypeError
[21:28:12] !tmp~: wiz, и ведь ты прав
[21:28:22] !tmp~: а что, использовал же
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[21:30:14] wiz: ... except Exception as e:
try: map(None, lambda:42)
except Exception as te:
if e == te: print "oops, type error!"
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[21:33:54] !tmp~: кстати вопрос то про 2.x?
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[21:34:17] !tmp~: а то вдруг Гвидо ченить воскурил и в транке появилось чудо?)
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[21:35:59] bobry: по 2.X
[21:36:04] bobry: гвидо вообще лямбду выпилвать хотел
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[21:39:45] !tmp~: бгг я уже от нее отнаследоваться попробовал)
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[21:39:59] !tmp~: и фиг там, метаклассы ругаютсо
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[21:43:13] wiz: map(lambda data:all(map( lambda fun: fun(data), (lambda x: isinstance(x, int), lambda x: x < 100))), (1, 2, 'valenki', 100500))
[21:43:53] wiz: если всё же трактовать задачу не как итерабль-лямбду, что без хаков анрил, а итерабль, содержащий лямбды
[21:44:02] wiz: но это всё равно ересь и Гвидо неодобряэ
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[21:45:17] !tmp~: map((lambda x: (lambda f: f(f, x))(lambda s,z: z-1 and s(s, z-1)*z or 1)), (lambda: (5,6,7))())
[21:45:23] !tmp~: death by lambdas
[21:45:42] !tmp~: (lambda x: (lambda f: f(f, x))(lambda s,z: z-1 and s(s, z-1)*z or 1))(5) меня собственно вот такое вот радует
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[21:46:32] !tmp~: рекурсия без засорения нэймспейса даже самой рекурсивной функцией :]
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[21:47:18] !tmp~: объявляю пятиминутку лиспа.
[21:48:07] wiz: уже была
[21:48:09] wiz: http://dumpz.org/26000/
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[21:49:18] wiz: но да, надо почаще проводить. а то вопросы про джангу с последующим чтением доков вслух уже наскучило (=
[21:49:42] !tmp~: wiz, ничо не знаю, этот экземпляр я сам породил
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[21:51:19] wiz: лови симпу
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[21:51:52] !tmp~: я их порождаю когда надо мозг проверить на работоспособность
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[21:53:12] wiz: ага я уже почти месяц не могу моск рестартнуть после отпуска + затянутых выходных
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[21:54:37] !tmp~: wiz, у меня примерно то же самое, но причины иные. второй день без обезболивающего уже зато, прогресс
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[21:55:20] !tmp~: тэкс, ладно, я домой чтоль порулил
[21:55:31] !tmp~: всем буй! надо что ли почаще заходить
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[23:33:18] xa4a: Керниган и Ритчи?
[23:33:23] xa4a: Справочник по языку С?
[23:33:27] xa4a: эм..
[23:33:36] гиниратырь[ляптоп]: xa4a: там питон?
[23:33:39] xa4a: python -m cProfile
[23:33:45] xa4a: нуэ
[23:33:49] гиниратырь[ляптоп]: гм
[23:33:55] гиниратырь[ляптоп]: короче ситуация
[23:33:58] xa4a: тебе оптимизация кода на питоне или для питона?
[23:34:03] гиниратырь[ляптоп]: есть девайс с эмбеддед питоном
[23:34:17] гиниратырь[ляптоп]: есть функция
[23:34:23] гиниратырь[ляптоп]: на питоне
[23:34:37] гиниратырь[ляптоп]: которая преобразует list чисел в строку
[23:34:38] bobry: гиниратырь[ляптоп]: в питоновики есть все
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[23:34:52] гиниратырь[ляптоп]: строка - это два байта на число
[23:35:05] гиниратырь[ляптоп]: младший байт - первый
[23:35:11] xa4a: может ты хочешь модуль struct?
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[23:35:20] гиниратырь[ляптоп]: нет такого модуля
[23:35:29] гиниратырь[ляптоп]: а еще у меня питон 1.5.2+
[23:35:30] xa4a: map(lambda x: struct.pack('H', x), lst)
[23:35:33] xa4a: а..
[23:35:34] bobry: ...
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[23:35:37] bobry: как?
[23:35:42] гиниратырь[ляптоп]: магия
[23:35:51] гиниратырь[ляптоп]: [23:34:04] <гиниратырь[ляптоп]> есть девайс с эмбеддед питоном
[23:35:57] bobry: 2.X туда не засунуть?
[23:36:00] гиниратырь[ляптоп]: нет
[23:36:06] гиниратырь[ляптоп]: он в прошивке
[23:36:11] bobry: уу...
[23:36:13] гиниратырь[ляптоп]: доступа к прошивке нет
[23:36:18] bobry: вот это я понимаю утонченный мазохизм
[23:36:22] гиниратырь[ляптоп]: гг
[23:36:31] гиниратырь[ляптоп]: зато там строки уже классами!
[23:36:38] гиниратырь[ляптоп]: в отличии от 1.5.2 там +!
[23:36:39] xa4a: !g inurl:struct.py
[23:36:55] xa4a: а так? :)
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[23:37:07] xa4a: а, там from _struct
[23:37:32] гиниратырь[ляптоп]: тут еще такая фигня
[23:37:48] гиниратырь[ляптоп]: функция в лоб приобразует одно число в list
[23:37:54] гиниратырь[ляптоп]: из 4х байт
[23:38:02] гиниратырь[ляптоп]: потом слайс
[23:38:10] гиниратырь[ляптоп]: потом джоин
[23:38:18] xa4a: оу щи
[23:38:19] гиниратырь[ляптоп]: для 6 (шести) чисел - это 5 секунд
[23:38:29] xa4a: зачем лист?
[23:38:34] xa4a: что ты хочешь сделать?
[23:38:44] гиниратырь[ляптоп]: есть набор чисел
[23:38:50] гиниратырь[ляптоп]: их нужно отправить на сервир
[23:38:56] гиниратырь[ляптоп]: идея в том
[23:39:03] гиниратырь[ляптоп]: чтобы отправлять бинарным потоком
[23:39:08] гиниратырь[ляптоп]: по два байта на число
[23:39:17] гиниратырь[ляптоп]: xa4a: ок?
[23:39:42] xa4a: paste.in.ua код
[23:39:48] гиниратырь[ляптоп]: ща
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[23:42:34] гиниратырь[ляптоп]: xa4a: http://paste.in.ua/1623/
[23:43:23] 4umak: есть утилитка с гуём. При выполнении этой утилиткой определённого процесса её интерфейс зависает, пока не закончится процесс. Чтобы этого избежать, нужно копать в сторону многопоточности?
[23:43:29] 4umak: или можно как-то проще сделать?
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[23:43:39] bobry: 4umak: да, нужно
[23:43:48] 4umak: bobry, понятно, спасибо:)
[23:43:56] bobry: незашт :)
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[23:44:52] xa4a: гиниратырь[ляптоп]: если есть немного памяти, то можно заранее посчитать байты для всех чисел
[23:45:00] xa4a: ну или хотя бы кешировать в словаре
[23:45:05] гиниратырь[ляптоп]: всмысле?
[23:45:09] xa4a: cache = {}
[23:45:16] гиниратырь[ляптоп]: массив на 256 полей?
[23:45:22] xa4a: 65536
[23:45:26] xa4a: если два байта
[23:45:31] гиниратырь[ляптоп]: ну
[23:45:35] xa4a: только не массив, а хеш
[23:45:37] xa4a: словарь
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[23:45:40] гиниратырь[ляптоп]: ты уверен что это будет быстрее?
[23:45:47] xa4a: нет
[23:45:50] гиниратырь[ляптоп]: в питоне доступ к памяти медленный
[23:45:59] xa4a: ^_^
[23:46:04] xa4a: такой же как и везде
[23:46:17] гиниратырь[ляптоп]: The memory available on Telit Python modules includes:
• around 2MB of Non Volatile Memory for the user scripts and data
• 1.2 MB RAM reserved for Python engine usage
• 16KB of memory for each variable
[23:46:27] гиниратырь[ляптоп]: 16к
[23:46:31] гиниратырь[ляптоп]: невлезет
[23:46:42] xa4a: пичаль :(
[23:46:59] гиниратырь[ляптоп]: пока што у меня есть вариант разрезать функцию на 4
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[23:47:04] гиниратырь[ляптоп]: для каждого колва байтов
[23:47:11] гиниратырь[ляптоп]: это слегка ускорит
[23:47:43] гиниратырь[ляптоп]: а еще у меня на ~1000 строк join работает до 5 минут
[23:47:51] гиниратырь[ляптоп]: но это уже другая история
[23:47:52] гиниратырь[ляптоп]: ^_^
[23:49:35] гиниратырь[ляптоп]: xa4a: кстати map работает быстрее чем цыкл
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[23:50:05] xa4a: очевидно да. он же - цикл на С
[23:50:12] гиниратырь[ляптоп]: угу
[23:50:17] гиниратырь[ляптоп]: кстати
[23:50:31] гиниратырь[ляптоп]: есть какие чисто питоновские реализации хоть какойто компрессии
[23:50:37] гиниратырь[ляптоп]: и хоть какого нибудь шифрования
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[23:50:51] гиниратырь[ляптоп]: RLE не катит
[23:51:36] xa4a: шифрование есть
[23:51:50] гиниратырь[ляптоп]: какая лицензия?
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[23:52:36] xa4a: http://www.bjrn.se/code/rijndaelpy.txt
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[23:54:53] гиниратырь[ляптоп]: AES на питоне
[23:54:55] гиниратырь[ляптоп]: забавно
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