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[02:16:44] : _lorien установил(а) тему: Python.SU | Сначала поищи ответ на docs.python.org | Теперь поищи на google.com | Код постить в dumpz.org | Хочешь задать вопрос - просто *задай* его! | За голосом - в приват к модераторам | Правила написания хорошего кода: http://➡.ws/pep8 | Логи: http://➡.ws/pu
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[11:31:03] mishok13: это точняк
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[11:43:03] piranha: блять, как можно быть таким упизднем
[11:43:14] piranha: def __setattr__(self, name, value):
if name == 'amount':
raise RuntimeError('Payment fee cannot be set')
[11:43:16] piranha: :(
[11:43:28] piranha: я хочу отрезать руки тому, кто это написал
[11:43:36] piranha: жаль, что это запрещено законом
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[11:57:06] Ляпатяпа: а в чем проблема?
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[11:59:19] piranha: что такое RuntimeError?
[11:59:31] piranha: это когда ты пытаешься неправильное значение засетить, да?
[11:59:55] nmk: !trans runtime error
[12:00:22] piranha: http://docs.python.org/library/exceptions.html?highlight=runtimeerror#exceptions.RuntimeError
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[12:01:03] nmk: piranha: я пытался КО включить :)
[12:01:03] piranha: хм
[12:01:05] mishok13: бгыггыгыы
[12:01:09] piranha: mishok13: ?
[12:01:18] mishok13: ну про raise RuntimeError
[12:01:24] piranha: хм, NotImplementedError - наследник RuntimeError
[12:01:25] mishok13: сочувствую
[12:01:26] piranha: неожиданно
[12:01:29] piranha: mishok13: :(
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[12:02:27] Ляпатяпа: а что надо было выкидывать?
[12:02:47] mishok13: ну эээ how 'bout AttributeError
[12:02:58] piranha: ну или хотя бы тайпэррор в крайнем случае
[12:03:22] mishok13: Value скорее даже
[12:03:29] mishok13: короче, вариантов масса
[12:03:30] Ляпатяпа: тайп еррор - если бы value был бы кривым
[12:03:40] mishok13: но блять, Runtime?
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[12:03:47] Ляпатяпа: а если name - хз, ошибка в бизнес логике:)
[12:03:56] mishok13: шо, выполнение программы заканчивать пора, да?
[12:04:05] mishok13: может еще MemoryError выбросить?
[12:04:38] mishok13: за такое на код ревью надо палец отрезать
[12:04:40] piranha: я предложил исполнять sys.exit(1)
[12:05:09] mishok13: sys.exit(sys.maxint + 1)
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[12:05:26] piranha: !
[12:05:34] piranha: mishok13: вот он, рантайм эррор!
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[12:06:11] bobry: про float('inf') я один не знал? :)
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[12:07:08] mishok13: все мы до какого-то времени не знали
[12:07:22] bobry: логично
[12:07:31] mishok13: http://speleotrove.com/decimal/ просвещайся
[12:07:42] mishok13: или можешь купить доступ к стандартам IEEE
[12:07:46] gf: /me счаслив от гибрида gnome+awesome
[12:08:20] mishok13: и потом читать IEEE 754 до потери пульса
[12:08:30] piranha: чтение стандартов утомляет
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[12:08:43] piranha: надо играть в трекманию, а не читать стандарты
[12:09:08] mishok13: это не просто стандарт
[12:09:18] mishok13: это основа-основ!
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[12:09:31] piranha: mishok13: слышь пацык
[12:09:38] piranha: а у вас в коде ассерты есть вообще?
[12:09:38] mishok13: но трекмания сосёт
[12:09:48] mishok13: я ебал ассерты юнит-тестами
[12:09:50] Typhon: нахуя ассерты в коде?
[12:10:03] bobry: Typhon, makes you feel better
[12:10:16] mishok13: and more important бгыгы
[12:10:21] bobry: uhuh
[12:10:35] bobry: AssertationError >> TypeError, ValueError, w\e
[12:10:44] bobry: *Assertion
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[12:10:50] piranha: Typhon: бля, не знаю, вообще (
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[12:11:07] piranha: mishok13: трекмания рулит, но это вообще мало значения имеет при ассертах в коде
[12:11:13] bobry: :D
[12:11:37] mishok13: ненене, ты не понял
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[12:11:51] mishok13: когда есть f1 2010 сосёт любая трекмания
[12:11:57] mishok13: но ассерты сосут вне зависимости от
[12:12:12] bobry: вот вы зеленые :)
[12:12:18] bobry: piranha, ты с рулем гоняешь?
[12:12:32] mishok13: трекмания с рулём это эээ
[12:12:40] mishok13: учитывая аркадность
[12:12:41] piranha: трекмания с рулëм это шутка
[12:12:53] piranha: ф1 2010 сильно хардкорная
[12:12:56] piranha: в неë надо внимательно шпилить
[12:13:00] mishok13: по-моему супер
[12:13:05] piranha: а в трекманию зашибись на пьянках фигачить
[12:13:06] mishok13: я еще автомат отключил
[12:13:06] piranha: )
[12:13:34] piranha: ну ты задрот
[12:13:38] piranha: покупай нормальную машину
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[12:13:58] Typhon: в нормальной машине сохранения нет, наверное
[12:13:58] mishok13: я люблю бухать
[12:14:07] piranha: это раздельные вещи
[12:14:13] mishok13: машина и бухать несовместимы
[12:14:14] piranha: едешь на фео, потом едешь домой и бухаешь
[12:14:19] piranha: совместимы
[12:14:22] mishok13: НЕТ
[12:14:36] piranha: хахаха
[12:14:43] Typhon: потом в семь утра едешь пьяный в Лыткарино, ЗАЧЕМ ТО !
[12:14:46] piranha: неполноценный!
[12:14:47] mishok13: я вчера ходить не мог с утра
[12:14:50] piranha: шо такое лыткарино?
[12:14:58] mishok13: я не представляю как я бы смог на педали жать
[12:15:19] mishok13: я уж молчу про "руль крутить"
[12:15:32] Typhon: это город в замкадье
[12:15:35] Typhon: ну если ты до нетранспортабельности бухаешь, то тогда опасности нет
[12:15:39] Typhon: опаснее, если погонять тянет
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[12:17:23] piranha: mishok13: т.е. когда машина есть, и тебе херово, то ты всë равно считаешь, что нужно еë заюзать?
[12:17:35] mishok13: ммм
[12:17:54] piranha: Typhon: если тянет погонять в бухом состоянии, то надо находить первую же стену и туда плотно вжаться на скорости
[12:17:55] mishok13: понимаешь, если бы такое состоянии было для меня редкостью, тогда одно дело
[12:17:57] piranha: чтоб не создавать опасность
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[12:19:48] mishok13: как мне сказал один коллега и одновременно автолюбитель "опасность создают исключительно пешеходы"
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[12:20:30] gf: несовместимость автомобиля и алкоголя - болезнь.
[12:20:42] gf: и она нихуя не лечится!
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[12:20:54] piranha: mishok13: и еще пешеходы, которые сели за руль
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[12:21:11] mishok13: во-во
[12:21:16] gf: если болеешь, то все, авто противопоказано.
[12:21:19] mishok13: поэтому я не буду создавать опасность хыхы
[12:21:27] mishok13: метро, трамвай и автобус
[12:21:36] mishok13: пыщь-пыщь муниципальный транспорт
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[12:25:17] _lorien: о, пользуяс случаем :) какие колёса блокирует ручник и какие обыкновенный тормоз на переднем приводе?
[12:25:54] mishok13: rtfm
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[12:28:37] piranha: _lorien: ручник - задние, тормоз - все
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[12:49:35] piranha: geany говно, потому что самый говëнный код приходит от чувака, который его юзает
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[12:51:12] undefined: piranha: [в недумении] какую же ide тогда использовать, чтобы код не бы говеным???
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[12:51:55] piranha: undefined: хз, я ide не юзаю :)
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[12:52:00] piranha: но geany точно плохой
[12:52:01] piranha: )
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[12:59:01] tilarids: эйэй!
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[12:59:16] tilarids: я готов потроллить на стороне geany!
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[13:12:22] mishok13: даже гэдит лучше джини
[13:12:37] mishok13: дискас.
[13:13:29] bobry: даже вим лучше джини ...
[13:13:32] bobry: не верю что я сказал это
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[13:13:53] bobry: кстати я когда жиней пользовался :)
[13:13:57] bobry: *когда то
[13:14:05] undefined: даже джини лучше джини
[13:14:23] bobry: does not compute
[13:15:21] undefined: no matter. feel the power of true editor geany
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[13:16:29] mishok13: тру эдитор?
[13:16:32] mishok13: втф
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[13:17:04] Sevenov: geany? Да вы ебанулись.
[13:17:07] bobry: :D
[13:17:09] Sevenov: Выбросите это говно.
[13:17:11] bobry: /me ждал
[13:17:12] undefined: vim will betray you. and emacs will do it too. and only geany will stay with you forever
[13:17:24] mishok13: /me взял метлу
[13:17:33] mishok13: насрали тут, подметай потом за вами
[13:17:42] undefined: /me одевает плащ и шляпу
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[13:20:30] mishok13: Индиана, ты?
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[13:21:19] undefined: нет. извините. больше глупостей писать не буду.
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[13:25:00] xa4a: кто вчера проспал:
[13:25:03] xa4a: !advice
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[13:32:38] piranha: от лажа
[13:32:41] piranha: не geany, gedit
[13:32:44] piranha: гедит говно
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[13:33:06] piranha: !advice
[13:33:33] piranha: xa4a: как он знает, что это про дизайн?
[13:33:39] mishok13: nowai
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[13:34:09] _lorien: Блин сегодня с лопатой вышел, перед подъездом снег разгребал для парковочного места, ухуячился весь, всё равно машина с гимором туда заезжает т.к. там бордюр под снегом торчит для одного колеса
[13:34:10] mishok13: это значит не джини и не гэдит, это блять PEBKAC
[13:34:29] xa4a: piranha: с fucking-great-advice он нашёл совет в ссылке на дизайн
[13:34:42] xa4a: можно задавать
[13:34:46] xa4a: !advice code
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[13:35:09] piranha: mishok13: само собой
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[13:37:21] Typhon: xa4a: охуенно, осталось прикруть опредялялку тупых вопросов
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[13:37:26] Typhon: чтобы советы автоматом давались
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[13:39:49] Typhon: piranha: а чо, когда я клонирую репку с сабрепкой, мне вложенный репозиторий МАГИЧЕСКИ не создаётся? это чтож делать, руками .hgsub выполнять или я упустил что-то?
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[13:52:51] Typhon: (в смысле, смотреть глазами .hgsub и клонировать оттуда репы). что-то тогда профит не выкурю от subrepos тогда. что толку, что у меня в .hgsub прописано "nested = [svn]http://extjs-public.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/release", если после клонирования этого репозитория этого nested там не будет, да ещё и клон репозитория нерабочий :)
hg ci -m "test"
abort: svn: '/home/user/stuff/second' is not a working copy
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[13:58:53] Typhon: хотя, если первоначально побольше покоммитить в родительском репозитории, то потом клонируется хорошо, как надо. ладно, буду ещё читать и пинать эти подрепки, видимо упускаю что-то
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[14:25:53] piranha: Typhon: хм, на update должны склонироваться
[14:26:15] piranha: !advice 117
[14:26:19] piranha: :(
[14:26:21] piranha: http://fucking-great-advice.ru/advice/117/
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[14:26:45] xa4a: циферки не умеет(
[14:26:51] piranha: угу, я уже понял...
[14:27:23] xa4a: https://bitbucket.org/xa4a/xapy/src/302a7d328553/processors/adviceProcessor.py ну как всегда, патчи эцсамое
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[14:28:50] piranha: ah, camelCase
[14:28:51] piranha: :)
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[14:31:57] Typhon: битбакет через тор не пускает к себе :(
[14:32:28] Typhon: иногда, хм.
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[14:39:01] Typhon: разобрался что было с сабрепками, тупил просто: после добавления .hgsub, коммитил только его. добавленное в сабрепку из hg st пропадало, и я думал, што всё ок. а нужно было hg ci -mmsg без аргументов. вывод -- не выдумывай блять лишнего!
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[14:58:19] xa4a: piranha: пристыдил :-[ пойду вообще перепишу. давно хотел выпилить ненужное всё
[14:58:35] piranha: xa4a: :)
[14:58:57] piranha: Typhon: а, ты типа хгсаб коммитил, а сам сабрепо - не?
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[14:59:55] Typhon: piranha: угу, соптимизировал, типа %)
[15:00:13] piranha: :)
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[15:03:40] Typhon: хочу http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/CodesmellExtension или другой фашистский экстеншн поставить, чтобы по рукам било нерадивым людям автоматически, без моего вмешательства. можно как-то экстенш с репой таскать, чтобы нельзя было без него рабочую копию заиметь? а то нерадивые люди себе hgrc править вдруг не будут!
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[15:07:53] xa4a: так а это.. я вот пару дней назад предложил для синхронизации убивания спящих тредов юзать threading.Event. тоесть вместо while not self.finish: do_smth();time.sleep(1) делть self.commit_suicide.wait(1)это праведный путь?
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[15:27:21] mishok13: в трединге всё можно
[15:27:31] mishok13: единственно правильного пути нету
[15:28:00] xa4a: ну с ивентом - вроде круче полинга. быстродействие, всё такое
[15:28:02] xa4a: может ещё круче есть?
[15:28:05] xa4a: кроме твистеда
[15:28:08] mishok13: но если смотреть с точки зрения красоты кода, меня больше Event прёт
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[15:32:26] mishok13: я думаю, что если уже идёт поиск альтернатив твистеду/стеклесс/гэвенту, то пора полноценно переходить на эрланг ;)
[15:32:34] mishok13: тем более, что ты его знаешь
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[15:34:43] piranha: PHILOSORAPTOR: If programming is mainstream, and Java is uncool...does programming in Java make me a hipster programmer?

[15:35:20] piranha: Typhon: хммм… путь к экстеншену в .hgrc не считается от рута репозитория, а может
[15:35:34] xa4a: mishok13: на эланке плагинчики так не попишешь, думаю
[15:35:36] piranha: Typhon: в следующем релизе можно будет, если кто-то патч замутит (ты, например, или я)
[15:35:51] xa4a: хотя, можно из него питона дёргать - да
[15:35:57] piranha: гг
[15:36:01] piranha: /me подëргал питона
[15:36:09] piranha: наверное не стоит этим заниматься на работе
[15:36:13] xa4a: когда я последний раз смотрел - там не было xmpp клиент, отдельного от ejabberd
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[15:36:53] Typhon: но hgrc то не лежит в репозитории, и когда девелопер склонирует репо, хук не будет нацеплен, или я чего=то не знаю?
[15:36:53] mishok13: ну, везде свои достоинства и недостатки
[15:37:15] piranha: Typhon: ах да, ты прав
[15:37:25] piranha: да, всë плохо, поставь его на сервере
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[16:29:55] gigimon: подскажи пожалуйста, как-бы лучше сделать. Есть 10 параметров, по которым надо проверить ссылку поочереди, если какой-то параметр гвоорит что ссылка плохая, то выходить из проверки и говорить что ссылка плохая
[16:29:59] gigimon: помимо кучи вложеных ифов
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[16:31:20] piranha: сделать список проверялок и проверять в цикле?
[16:31:21] Typhon: condition = (check1 and
check2 ... )
if cond
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[16:31:25] Typhon: а есть ещё all
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[16:31:53] Typhon: но аргументы тогда вычислятся, да.
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[16:32:37] piranha: any и так, чтоб они тру возвращали при плохой реакции
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[16:33:33] Typhon: с all и any беда, что у тебя может быть 10 тяжёлых проверок, и проверить 9 остальных, если первая навернулась -- не комильфо :-(
[16:33:46] piranha: any идëт до первого тру
[16:34:10] piranha: а all - до первого фолса
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[16:34:17] piranha: так шо не понимаю, что тебя беспокоит
[16:34:42] gigimon: что такое any и all? вы про что?
[16:34:48] xa4a: !pydoc all
[16:34:52] gigimon: ок
[16:34:52] xa4a: !pydoc any
[16:34:54] gigimon: а
[16:34:56] gigimon: спс
[16:35:20] Typhon: all(obj.check_in_bd(), obj.check_in_bd2()) -- вот
[16:35:21] xa4a: any(checker(x) for checker in checkers]
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[16:35:26] piranha: Typhon:

>>> import time
>>> all(x() for x in [lambda: True, lambda: False, lambda: time.sleep(1)])
False

[16:35:41] Typhon: да, так ок
[16:35:53] piranha: ессно, шо твой вариант вычислицо, это да
[16:35:59] gigimon: all подойдет, спасибо
[16:36:00] piranha: цикл нужен в любом случае
[16:36:30] Typhon: А БЫЛ БЫ ХАСКИЛЬ НЕ НУЖЭН БЫЛ БЫ! ПИТОН ГОВНО!
[16:36:33] Typhon: :-)
[16:36:51] piranha: пфф
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[16:37:27] Typhon: мой вариант симпатичнее выглядит, но результат хуёв, поэтому грустно :'( :'(
[16:38:04] piranha: мой выглядит ок, если ты задашь массивчик отдельно с проверялками
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[16:42:06] Typhon: :-) лямбды -- гей
[16:42:19] piranha: all(c(x) for c in checkers)
[16:43:27] Typhon: еп.
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xa4a…
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[16:47:44] Typhon: У ВАС ЧАСЫ ОТСТАЮТ! ^_^
[16:48:19] Typhon: any(checker(x) for checker in checkers] -- у тебя SyntaxError тут %)
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[18:33:34] piranha: у ресига туториальчег неплохой, но типа адвансед
[18:33:37] piranha: маленький такой
[18:33:54] piranha: http://ejohn.org/apps/learn/
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[19:13:03] iroln: Привет, ребята!
У меня есть такой вопрос, как работает функция cmp? :)
Получается, что она сравнивает любые объекты, то есть по сути "стол" с "забором". Объясните пожалйста принцип её работы.
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[19:13:48] wiz: сравни a с b
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[19:15:31] iroln: ну а с b, я так понимаю, она сравнивает по коду символа, а как она сравнивает, например вот эти два объекта: [10, 'abcd', 20] и ['lololo', 125']?
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[19:15:53] iroln: *['lololo', 125]
[19:15:54] wiz: по первому элементу, потом по второму
[19:16:09] iroln: а если разное количество элементов?
[19:16:22] wiz: сравни 'abc' и 'abz'
[19:16:42] wiz: сравни да узнай
[19:16:47] wiz: и нам расскажи (=
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[19:17:30] iroln: :) попробую.
Тут достался кусочек кода от которого у меня мозг выгорает, там везде сравнения бульдога с носорогом. :)
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[19:31:03] Magister Yoda: Привет всем! PyCharm кто-нить юзает?
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[19:32:21] wiz: Magister Yoda, ты лого его видел?
[19:32:32] Magister Yoda: да
[19:32:38] Magister Yoda: и чо там такого?
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[19:35:45] iroln: нашёл умную книжку. :)
Там написано, что функция cmp может сравнивать хоть чёрта с бабой ягой, вот только результат сравнения не будет иметь смысла. Чтобы онимел смысл нужно определять операцию сравнения для этих объектов. Ну и говнокод же мне достался... :)
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[20:17:16] Typhon: !pydoc object.__cmp__
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[20:28:24] Tony: __cmp__ лучше не использовать.
[20:28:47] iroln: вот, кстати, статья есть про то, как использовать __cmp__:
http://boodebr.org/main/python/tourist/forgetting-how-cmp-works
[20:29:13] Tony: 1 0 -1 оно возвращает вот и все.
[20:29:28] Tony: но практика показывает что лучше объявить __eq__ __lt__ __gt__
[20:29:39] Tony: соответственно легко рулишь как сортировками объектов так и сравнениями
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[22:19:48] creitve: всем ку
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[22:20:34] creitve: вопрос - есть акк твиттера, есть сайт, поддерживающий логин через твиттер
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[22:20:49] creitve: как с помощью питона логиниться на такой сайт?
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[23:41:44] deepwalker: creitve, подумать а надо ли, потом подумать а надо ли, потом еще раз потом подумать а надо ли, и после этого, еще раз подумав, а надо ли, пойти читать про oauth2
[23:42:04] creitve: мм
[23:42:06] deepwalker: рекомендую первые 4 варианта
[23:42:21] creitve: а в чём проблема?
[23:42:36] deepwalker: в том, что - нахера это надо?
[23:43:05] deepwalker: ты такой хоп - а не надо! и проблема решена очень изящным способом : )
[23:43:34] deepwalker: у людей, следующих этой методе, волосы крепкие и шелковистые : )
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[23:43:43] deepwalker: гарантирую
[23:44:21] deepwalker: а если все таки нет, то читай про oauth, что там и куда и как пойдет, какие там переадресации и данные.
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[23:44:46] deepwalker: но все таки, я бы рекомендовал мой метод
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