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[02:10:58] : _lorien установил(а) тему: Python.SU | Сначала поищи ответ на docs.python.org | Теперь поищи на google.com | Код постить в dumpz.org | Хочешь задать вопрос - просто *задай* его! | За голосом - в приват к модераторам | Правила написания хорошего кода: http://➡.ws/pep8 | Логи: http://➡.ws/pu
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[04:04:22] bobry: http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/python/112711/
[04:04:37] bobry: У Twisted батареек больше, спору нет. Но во всем остальном — скорость, стабильность, использование памяти и т.д. твистед далеко позади.
[04:04:41] bobry: *facepalm*
[04:06:04] bobry: deepwalker'у понравится :)
[04:06:22] webninja: о
[04:06:28] webninja: bobry
[04:06:30] webninja: ты умный
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[04:06:32] webninja: расскажи
[04:06:53] webninja: у меня в приложении есть потребность в массе опций и параметров
[04:07:04] webninja: я сделал табличку типа key - value
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[04:08:17] bobry: хаха, хорошее начало лол
[04:08:25] bobry: ии?
[04:08:26] webninja: она значит парсится как надо (как тут http://hg.piranha.org.ua/cyrax/file/45984541e479/cyrax/conf.py)
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[04:08:45] webninja: но если я хочу поменять значения? как бы сделать инит начальный щаз фикстуры попробую.
[04:09:00] webninja: у меня есть вьюха - Options там отображается это дело
[04:09:06] bobry: ты хочешь хранить настройки в бд?
[04:09:09] webninja: да
[04:09:11] bobry: был же app для этого
[04:09:41] bobry: http://djangopackages.com/grids/g/live-setting/
[04:10:32] webninja: оппа
[04:10:34] webninja: норм
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[04:13:33] webninja: https://github.com/zbyte64/django-configstore вот вроде то что надо щаз попробую
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[04:22:46] webninja: еще вопрос
[04:22:58] webninja: у меня на сайте допустим несколько табов
[04:23:17] webninja: например home - news - options - account
[04:23:26] webninja: я уже реализовал навигацию
[04:23:39] webninja: values = {
'pages': settings.pages_list,
'current_page': 'options'
}
[04:23:42] webninja: вот так
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[04:23:52] webninja: ну и это в темплейт передается он рендерит
[04:24:04] webninja: норм? или есть общепринятые решения?
[04:24:52] webninja: в сеттингах храню pages_list там типа [(url, name)]
[04:26:16] bobry: мм, да вариантов много — все зависит от того что тебе еще нужно
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[04:26:38] bobry: что мешает один раз прописать все в базовом шаблоне?
[04:27:00] webninja: а если поменять надо?
[04:27:03] bobry: current_page наверное можно заменить на request.path
[04:27:16] bobry: поменять в зависимости от контекста?
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[04:27:22] bobry: или просто поменять?
[04:27:31] webninja: ну добавить например чтонибудь
[04:27:37] bobry: ну сделай ее блоком
[04:27:41] webninja: сделал
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[04:27:57] bobry: что мешает менять тогда? :)
[04:28:24] bobry: {% block nav %}{{ block.super }} <a href="...">my super link</a>{% endblock %}
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[04:28:47] webninja: http://dumpz.org/30102/
[04:28:52] webninja: я инклудом просто
[04:29:22] bobry: ну я тебе и говорю — зачем тебе таскать за собой pages та?
[04:29:32] bobry: если они зафиксированы
[04:29:36] bobry: и всегда одни и те же
[04:30:18] bobry: а почему не if item.url != request.path
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[04:38:35] webninja: ну я же не про пока еще
[04:38:42] webninja: не знал
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[04:38:55] webninja: этот кусок кода я родил когда первое приложение делал для жанги
[04:39:01] webninja: так и не доделал до конца )
[04:39:40] bobry: кстати если ты в settings хранишь только title и url, то проще наверное кортежами обойтись
[04:39:58] webninja: да
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[04:42:27] webninja: у меня в табах есть подстраницы
[04:42:41] webninja: поэтому как бы не пойдет
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[04:44:19] bobry: ммм, ну ты погугли аппы — может уже за тебя написали все :)
[04:44:24] bobry: зачем свое время тратить
[04:44:55] webninja: да уже есть меня устраивает пока единственное что
[04:45:06] webninja: values = {
'pages': settings.pages_list,
'current_page': 'options'
}
[04:46:27] bobry: settings.pages_list можно пихнуть в context_processors
[04:46:32] bobry: кстати PAGES_LIST же
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[05:34:51] webninja: A context processor has a very simple interface: It's just a Python function that takes one argument, an HttpRequest object, and returns a dictionary that gets added to the template context. Each context processor must return a dictionary.
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[05:46:50] bobry: webninja, и?
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[06:03:47] webninja: вроде сделал
[06:03:54] webninja: TEMPLATE_CONTEXT_PROCESSORS = (
"django.contrib.auth.context_processors.auth",
"django.core.context_processors.debug",
"django.core.context_processors.i18n",
"django.core.context_processors.media",
"django.contrib.messages.context_processors.messages",
"settings.navigation"
)
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[06:04:06] webninja: пришлось правда static стереть ошибка вылетала
[06:04:26] webninja: реально как нибудь к дефолтным параметрам сразу плюсануть?
[06:04:53] webninja: def navigation(request):
return { 'pages': pages_list, 'current_page': request.path}
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[06:13:45] bobry: webninja, context processors должны лежать в context_processors а не в settings
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[06:18:48] webninja: непонял
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[06:20:58] bobry: что именно?
[06:21:21] webninja: про лежать в context_processors
[06:21:24] bobry: если settings это app, то функция navigation должна лежать в модуле context._processors.py
[06:21:30] bobry: а не в корне аппа или где то еще
[06:21:57] webninja: settings это settings.py джанговский
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[06:22:09] bobry: тогда все еще хуже
[06:22:14] webninja: хех
[06:22:17] webninja: что делать?
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[06:22:31] bobry: положи в апп, который использует эти pages
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[06:23:51] webninja: несколько аппов используют
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[06:23:59] webninja: могу в lib положить хех
[06:24:28] bobry: куда угодно только убери из settings :)
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[06:38:37] webninja: блин а че так нельзя?
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[06:40:41] webninja: хотя лучше в коде сделаю реверс хых
[06:41:51] bobry: webninja, можно же
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[06:43:03] webninja: Exception Value:
Caught NoReverseMatch while rendering: Reverse for 'item.1' with arguments '()' and keyword arguments '{}' not found.
[06:43:45] bobry: а, черт — сам урл нельзя
[06:43:49] bobry: т.е. named_url
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[08:17:00] portnov: утро
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[08:17:44] portnov: вопрос. Для джанги ещё не написали какой-нить тулзы, чтобы разглядывала имеющуюся БД и по ней писала модели?
[08:17:47] bobry: portnov, дабы не заходить в haskell@c.j.r — не знаешь случаем почему code.haskell.org лежит
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[08:18:06] portnov: bobry: да он довольно регулярно лежит
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[08:18:11] bobry: не слышал, SA умеет reflection но чтобы прямо модели писало
[08:18:21] bobry: и как народ на нем чета держит блин ...
[08:19:02] bobry: проблема в том что модели бестолковые получатся, из бд не восстановить всей инфы. всякие там RegexField, choices etc
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[08:19:31] portnov: эт понятно
[08:19:54] bobry: ну и вывод — нафига такие модели :)
[08:20:09] portnov: про ruby on rails я вот читал что там вся идея на том чтоб сначала сделать бд, а потом ror на неё натравить
[08:20:32] portnov: bobry:
portnov: code.haskell.org is down again? Are there any plans when it should be up?
monochrom: will take a few days. there is a plan.
[08:20:42] bobry: #haskell?
[08:20:44] portnov: ну.
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[08:21:22] bobry: ну, у RoR там ActiveRecord, может он такое умеет из коробки
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[10:14:50] portnov: thx
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[10:20:45] webninja: блин
[10:21:13] webninja: у меня модель ссылается на другую типа сайт ссылается на модель шаблона сайта
[10:21:30] webninja: если шаблон удалить то жанга и сайты сносит =)
[10:22:09] webninja: ForeignKey
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[14:07:32] gigimon: А есть знатоки urllib2? Расскажите, как мне сделать свой ProxyHandler? Я не понимаю, что build_opener дергает из него, чтобы через прокси ходить?
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[14:09:07] bobry: gigimon, proxy_open?
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[14:10:08] bobry: там же все прозрачно, ProxyHandler вызывает set_proxy() у Request
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[14:10:31] gigimon: м
[14:10:32] gigimon: спс
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[14:11:22] bobry: да вроде не за что, ты глянь в самом исходнике та
[14:11:25] bobry: он же .py
[14:11:51] gigimon: да вот туда и посмотрел, н окак-то явно не увидел..
[14:11:57] gigimon: ты сказал, вроде обнаружил...
[14:12:11] bobry: но там все не так стройно как хотелось бы ...
[14:12:19] gigimon: бр
[14:12:32] gigimon: буду просто создавать каждый раз заново PeoxyHandler этот
[14:13:04] bobry: ну, я на самом деле выдернул оттуда код считающий base64
[14:13:10] bobry: и вызывал сам set_proxy()
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[14:55:57] mr.oduvan: С ужасом заметил
[14:56:13] mr.oduvan: что в {% for %}
[14:56:18] mr.oduvan: джвнговском
[14:56:25] mr.oduvan: нет индикаторо четности
[14:57:49] mr.oduvan: как обходитесь без него?
[14:57:53] Typhon: есть же cycle
[14:58:00] mr.oduvan: это как?
[14:58:08] mr.oduvan: обхяснишь?
[14:58:17] Typhon: посмотри доки по тегу
[14:58:22] mr.oduvan: о
[14:58:26] Typhon: он чередует что-то с заданным шагом
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[14:58:34] mr.oduvan: ты лучший!
[14:58:38] Typhon: cycle odd even
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[15:03:52] _lorien: можно ещё так {% if forloop.counter1|divisibleby:2 %}
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[15:04:51] _lorien: {% if forloop.counter0|divisibleby:2 %}
[15:04:59] mr.oduvan: :)
[15:05:10] mr.oduvan: ну ты тоже клевый !
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[15:27:54] gigimon: блин
[15:28:00] gigimon: что за фигня, не могу авторизоваться на проксе
[15:28:09] gigimon: говорит bad request
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[15:29:15] gigimon: In [20]: proxy = urllib2.ProxyHandler({'http':'http://IP'})
In [21]: proxy_auth = urllib2.ProxyBasicAuthHandler()
In [22]: proxy_auth.add_password('1','http://IP','user','password')
In [23]: site = urllib2.build_opener(proxy, proxy_auth)
In [24]: site.open('http://ya.ru')

[15:29:18] gigimon: что не так?
[15:29:38] gigimon: а блин
[15:29:41] gigimon: порт забыл же
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[17:01:13] _lorien: ёбаные сигналы
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[17:01:37] _lorien: def connect(signal, **kwargs):
def connect2(handler):
signal.connect(handler, **kwargs)
return connect2
Не пойму, почему этот декоратор не ригистрирует обработчик сигнала
[17:01:51] _lorien: Чё-то так в ломы джангу дебагать
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[17:22:54] gigimon: подскажите, как бы отсортировать такой словарь: {0:['text',1], 1:['text', 5], 2:['text', 2]} по второму полю в словаре?
[17:23:43] quasiyoke: sort принимает функцию-компаратор
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[17:24:03] quasiyoke: напиши маленькую-маленькую lambd'у
[17:24:16] quasiyoke: стоп
[17:24:17] gigimon: ок, пойду про сорт почитаю
[17:24:18] gigimon: спс
[17:24:20] gigimon: ?
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[17:24:40] quasiyoke: словарь -- неупорядоченная сущность
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[17:25:09] gigimon: у меня прсото задача, вот второе число в списке, это типа счетчик
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[17:25:22] gigimon: каждый раз надо вычислять у кого меньший счетчик и получать ключ
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[17:25:40] quasiyoke: сортировать можно лишь tuple и list. diveintopython -- must read.
[17:26:01] gigimon: я это знаю
[17:26:04] gigimon: поэтому и справшиваю)
[17:26:09] gigimon: как бы лучше это сделать
[17:26:39] quasiyoke: ну не надо сортирвать если нужно лишь выволочить минимум
[17:26:47] portnov: дерево сортировки сделать?
[17:26:49] gigimon: а как тогда достать минимальный?
[17:27:01] quasiyoke: по-моему это минимальный алгоритм, который входит и в школьную программу
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[17:27:43] gigimon: в школе не было программирования
[17:27:44] quasiyoke: gigimon, ужас
[17:27:45] gigimon: как и в институте
[17:27:52] gigimon: да что ужасного?
[17:28:01] gigimon: подскажи
[17:28:04] gigimon: или куда копать
[17:28:20] quasiyoke: у вас действительно нет собственных идей по поводу извлечения минимума?
[17:28:39] quasiyoke: подсказка: хватит одного цикла
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[17:29:04] gigimon: в 1 цикл не особо
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[17:29:51] quasiyoke: min=d.values()[0]
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[17:31:30] gigimon: ну, так я догнал, выбирать каждое значение словаря и записывать минимум и значение ключа
[17:31:39] gigimon: может как-то логичнее было
[17:31:42] quasiyoke: while j<len(d.values()): ; j+=1 ; if d.values()[j][1]<min[1]: ; min=d.values()[j]
[17:32:23] quasiyoke: разделил точками с запятой чтоп в paste.org не лезть
[17:33:37] gigimon: ну да...
[17:33:44] gigimon: примерно так и я догнал
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[17:34:21] quasiyoke: однозначно прочтите побольше про коллекции пайтона, а также какую-нибудь статью про массивы в программировании вообще. поиск минимума надо уметь делать
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[17:34:55] gigimon: quasiyoke: вы случаем не с сей на питон пришли?
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[17:35:47] quasiyoke: я вот гляжу на ваш словарь: если индексы всегда начинаются с нуля, то почему бы не использовать list вместо dict?
[17:36:11] gigimon: ну оно не факт что с нуля будет
[17:36:37] quasiyoke: а вы не видите причины для использования while и неиспользования For-итерирования
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[17:37:13] quasiyoke: ну даже если не очень часто будут дырки, помещайте в ячейки с этими индексами None-значения
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[17:39:01] quasiyoke: я извиняюсь, начальное значение j должно быть нуль и ещё проверка на непустоту не помещает в моём поиске минимума
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[17:40:58] gigimon: ну, я через for сделал...
[17:41:44] quasiyoke: ну в первый раз ваш цикл проходит совершенно зря
[17:42:11] quasiyoke: или for d.values()[1:]
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[17:42:46] gigimon: спс
[17:42:51] quasiyoke: чёрт, j=1 -- это правильно-таки :)
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[17:48:22] gigimon: min = test[0][1]
minkey = 0
for i in test.keys():
if test[i][1] < min:
min = test[i][1]
minkey = i
return test[minkey]
[17:48:29] gigimon: как-то мне так проще оказалось :)
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[17:48:57] gigimon: и нету трижды вызова values
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[17:49:12] gigimon: хотя я незнаю, что быстрее
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[17:52:00] Typhon: timeit ^_^
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[17:56:05] gigimon: мм, ну .keys() делается немного быстрее values(), а dict[key] сииильно быстрее
[17:57:27] quasiyoke: это хорошо.
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[17:59:27] gigimon: если б у меня всегда с 0 начиналось, то можно было б избавить от вызова keys
[17:59:32] gigimon: и юзать enumerate
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[18:12:03] _lorien: а про чо разговор? есть же аргумент key у функции sort
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[18:22:22] gigimon: _lorien: а что оно в эту функцию передает?
[18:22:34] gigimon: в key
[18:22:39] _lorien: Оно это кто? o_O
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[18:22:43] gigimon: чет у меня не получилось отсортировать
[18:22:53] gigimon: ну sorted
[18:23:21] _lorien: а :) Ну он туда передаёт экземпляр объекта из множество сортируемых объектов
[18:23:32] gigimon: понял
[18:23:35] _lorien: далее эта функция возвращает чего-нить, и это чего-нить передаётся в функцию cmp
[18:23:46] _lorien: или же в ту функцию, что ты указал в аргументе cmp :)
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[18:24:47] gigimon: понял, получилось...
[18:24:55] gigimon: In [149]: sorted(tess.values(), key=lambda x: x[1])
Out[149]: [['text', 2], ['text4', 3], ['text', 5], ['text', 11]]

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[18:25:01] gigimon: правда без ключа)
[18:25:16] gigimon: хз как ключ еще получить, наверно никак
[18:25:25] gigimon: т.к. дикт же не сортуриется?
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[18:26:43] gigimon: а не, сортед возвращает отсортированный список ключей)
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[18:30:21] gigimon: о, по моему полю сделал сортировку и получил список ключей по возрастанию поля
[18:30:27] gigimon: надо сравнить скорость
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[18:36:06] xa4a: from operator import itemgetter
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[18:51:38] _lorien: сначала надо переделать dict в список туплов, потом его отсортировать, а потом dict всё равно бессмысленно делать т.к. он не гарантирует сохранность порядка элементов
[18:51:54] gigimon: я уже решил задачу)
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[19:50:15] quasiyoke: а у меня в одном подобном месте используется SortedDict из django.collections, кажется. надеюсь, это не очень плохо.
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[22:21:05] xa4a: только меня в линкедине верхнее меню пугает?
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[22:29:23] quasiyoke: /me заpush'ил https://bitbucket.org/quasiyoke/django-inflect
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[22:33:52] bobry: герой :)
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[22:35:25] quasiyoke: очень многое из того, что я читал как обычно адресовалось пользователям не-windows систем. Надеюсь, я не такой глупый
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[22:42:48] bobry: ну, ничего не могу сказать — не представляю как там такие вещи делаются :)
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[23:17:04] xa4a: /me всё прослушал наверна
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[23:17:12] xa4a: !trans inflection
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[23:17:22] xa4a: ага..
[23:17:55] xa4a: pep8: https://bitbucket.org/quasiyoke/django-inflect/src/8c4285fcbbe2/inflect/__init__.py
[23:18:06] xa4a: InflectionException - > InflectionError
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[23:18:53] xa4a: в моделях пробелы - Ааа
[23:19:04] xa4a: и ньюлайны
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[23:19:27] quasiyoke: форматирование?! плохо??
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[23:20:12] xa4a: !g pep8
[23:20:19] xa4a: да, можно лучше
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[23:20:35] xa4a: from __init__ import InflectionException - вжж
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[23:22:02] xa4a: if 1<=case and case<=6:
[23:22:10] xa4a: if 1<= case <= 6:
[23:22:13] quasiyoke: xa4a, я, кажется, кроме джангодоковских никаких прочих чужих моделей не видел, но вообще питонокод разве оформляется не так как модели?
[23:22:44] quasiyoke: xa4a, a<b<c помню и знаю, но не люблю
[23:22:50] xa4a: class InflectionsHandlerException(SAXException): - иксепшны раскиданы по файлам
[23:23:04] xa4a: quasiyoke: модели оформляются как питон код обычный, но не так, как у теб
[23:23:05] bobry: да и особой нужды в них нет imo
[23:23:05] xa4a: я
[23:23:10] bobry: они ж ничего не добавляют
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[23:23:45] xa4a: except Exception:
pass

[23:23:50] xa4a: за это ты будешь гореть в аду..
[23:23:52] xa4a: эм...
[23:23:53] xa4a: гм..
[23:23:54] quasiyoke: иксепшены все местим в __init__ всегда?
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[23:24:07] bobry: :D
[23:24:07] xa4a: quasiyoke: не обязательно
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[23:24:11] quasiyoke: xa4a, 0.0.1
[23:24:13] xa4a: но если уже вынес, то пусть же все лежат там
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[23:24:16] bobry: xa4a, не, в аду за `except: pass`
[23:25:01] quasiyoke: там и в самом деле except Exception??? :)
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[23:25:09] xa4a: https://bitbucket.org/quasiyoke/django-inflect/src/8c4285fcbbe2/inflect/fresh_inflections.py#cl-43
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[23:25:33] quasiyoke: ай яй яй
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[23:25:49] quasiyoke: ай яй яй :)
[23:25:58] xa4a: ну и везде пробельчики
[23:26:02] quasiyoke: он не открыт на пушинг?
[23:26:11] xa4a: после запятых и вокруг операторов
[23:26:18] xa4a: вряд ли
[23:27:25] xa4a: except InflectionException,e:
if DEBUG:
return unicode(e)
else:
return u''

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[23:27:33] xa4a: я бы тут писал в лог
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[23:28:18] quasiyoke: xa4a, "вряд ли"... вряд ли открыт или вряд ли дождусь ваших комитов?
[23:28:30] xa4a: вряд ли открыт
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[23:28:56] xa4a: while j<len(inflections):… в caching.py

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[23:30:26] xa4a: for j, infl in enumerate(inflections): kwargs[CASES[j]] = infl or u'' ; has_cases &= infl is None
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[23:31:35] xa4a: а в общем - выглядит, как-будто полезно
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[23:32:21] quasiyoke: спасибо за тёплые слова :) правда.
[23:33:38] xa4a: вопрос вот только, лень в код вникать. зачем кеш и модели?
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[23:34:49] bobry: xa4a, шобы не дергать яндекс по чем зря
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[23:35:04] gigimon: quasiyoke: ты Си не изучал?
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[23:35:25] xa4a: bobry: я так понял, там отдельно кеш, отдельно модели? зачем модели, кроме кеша?
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[23:36:09] quasiyoke: модуль caching для понтов.
[23:36:25] xa4a: а там ещё где-то что-то пиклилось
[23:36:38] xa4a: а, это там
[23:37:00] quasiyoke: я предполагал, будет востребовано получение некешированных склонений -- вот почему отделён кешинг
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[23:38:36] quasiyoke: /me пошёл подряд по последним логам
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[23:38:49] quasiyoke: gigimon, нет
[23:39:05] gigimon: а то с while и счетчиком очень напоминает :)
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[23:40:08] quasiyoke: я понял, почему этот вопрос, да. с си знаком на уровне хеловорлда-другого
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[23:47:29] quasiyoke: идиотизм какой-то, нечего там было пиклить
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[23:49:24] quasiyoke: InflectionsHandlerException однако не должен уйти за пределы этого модуля
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[23:50:26] bobry: почему ты не хочешь просто SaxException оставить?
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[23:52:09] quasiyoke: Ммм... чтобы различать действительные иксемел сакс ошибки и ошибки формата файла
[23:53:20] quasiyoke: мне всегда интересно было -- как часто обычно делаются комиты
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[23:53:47] quasiyoke: браян о саливан пишет чтобы описать одним предложением их можно было успеть
[23:53:57] quasiyoke: но это ж очень часто
[23:54:21] bobry: ну ты переместил все эксепшены в один модуль — комит
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[23:54:27] bobry: *как пример*
[23:54:54] quasiyoke: я действительно это сделал
[23:54:55] bobry: перелопатил все или какой то модуль под PEP8 — commit
[23:54:59] bobry: etc
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[23:55:22] quasiyoke: угу.
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[23:57:46] quasiyoke: а многие ли пишут мессаджи на кривом английском?
[23:58:18] quasiyoke: автор pytils коммитил на английском, но кажется некривом
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[23:58:43] xa4a: лучше на кривом английском, чем пустые или на русском
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