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[00:45:07] bobry: https://github.com/bkjones/curtain/blob/master/digest.py#L64
[00:45:12] bobry: руки бы поотрывал
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[00:46:35] bobry: https://github.com/bkjones/curtain/blob/master/digest.py#L78
[00:46:41] bobry: и вот за это тоже
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[00:55:14] gigimon: ну if Auth == None это конечно круто
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[00:55:26] bobry: да там все круто
[00:55:37] bobry: куча printов блин
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[01:17:40] gigimon: бр
[01:17:47] gigimon: bobry: можешь подсказать в моем быдлокоде?
[01:17:50] gigimon: http://dpaste.org/Vwwf/
[01:18:16] gigimon: почему-то proxy_num уменьшается перед print "2-" + str(proxy_num)
self.proxylist[proxy_num][1] += 1
[01:18:30] gigimon: вот вывод принтов:
[01:18:32] gigimon: 1-0
no proxy
del-0
1-1
2-1
2-0

[01:18:38] gigimon: как оно так?
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[01:21:43] bobry: ну видимо у тебя все прокси вызывают URLError
[01:21:50] bobry: и до 2- ... дело не доходит
[01:22:03] gigimon: нет, вторая точно работает
[01:22:17] bobry: ты бы печатал текст URLError
[01:22:34] gigimon: bobry: тогда б было второй раз принт no no proxy
[01:22:59] bobry: может там HTTPError? :)
[01:23:02] gigimon: а тут дважды последний принт и потом вызывается код с уменьшенйо переменной
[01:23:19] gigimon: валится на self.proxylist[proxy_num][1] += 1
[01:23:28] gigimon: с KeyError
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[01:24:04] bobry: а что возвращает get_mi_proxy
[01:24:32] gigimon: сначала ноль, эта прокся не работает, вызывается еще раз и возвращает 1, где прокся рабочая
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[01:25:34] bobry: а прокси у тебя в словаре?
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[01:27:02] gigimon: хм, походу дело в эксепшене где-то
[01:27:50] gigimon: bobry: прокси у меня как {id:[url, count]}
[01:28:18] gigimon: если закоментить #self.proxylist[proxy_num][1] += 1
[01:28:28] gigimon: то кричит UnboundLocalError: local variable 'resp' referenced before assignment

[01:28:32] gigimon: ничего не понимаю (
[01:28:56] bobry: дык все понятно
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[01:29:01] bobry: ты удаляешь прокси
[01:29:17] bobry: делаешь рекурсивный вызов в send_request
[01:29:38] gigimon: ну так получается оно туда больше не попадает же?
[01:29:48] bobry: когда он отрабатывает, исполнение продолжается с 18й строки
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[01:29:53] bobry: попадает, как это нет
[01:30:10] gigimon: у меня прокси были {0:[], 1:[]} если 0 не пашет, то он удаляется и остается {1:[]}
[01:30:11] gigimon: а
[01:30:13] gigimon: понял...
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[01:30:42] gigimon: увы, незнал про такое поведение
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[01:31:01] gigimon: bobry: посоветуй тогда, как сделать номрально? :)
[01:31:26] bobry: 18-21 должны выполняться только в случае когда не было эксепшенов?
[01:31:32] bobry: если да то пихай их в else :)
[01:31:33] gigimon: чтобы функция сначала вызывалась или еще что, но с учетом что может быть несколько прокси неработающих
[01:32:10] gigimon: ок)
[01:32:14] gigimon: щас попробую, спасибо
[01:32:17] bobry: кстати как ты обрабатываешь None?
[01:32:34] bobry: может проще просто удалять прокси и тоже None возвращать
[01:32:35] bobry: по URLError
[01:32:44] bobry: а в вызывающей функции уже делать повторный вызов
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[01:34:28] gigimon: а в вызывающей функции будет тогда обрабатываться если несколько прокси подряд не работают?
[01:34:36] gigimon: bobry: пока никак, тестирую
[01:34:58] gigimon: хм, а так оно не возвращает ничего)
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[01:37:21] gigimon: хотя омжно тупо в while вызывать...
[01:37:25] gigimon: пока не будет не None
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[01:44:36] gigimon: bobry: http://dpaste.org/Xtpc/
[01:44:44] gigimon: так работает, как думаешь, сильно хреново?
[01:45:21] bobry: ну если у тебя там не сильно большие списки прокси то можно и рекурсивно бызывать
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[01:45:35] bobry: этот вариант вполне себе imo
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[01:46:14] gigimon: imo?
[01:46:28] bobry: зациклится только может же
[01:46:32] gigimon: да списки небольшие будут, но я не познал рекурсии
[01:46:35] bobry: если все прокси мертвые
[01:46:38] gigimon: хм
[01:46:52] gigimon: обработаю такой случай ))
[01:47:00] bobry: кстати resp = None и while not resp можно заменить на while True
[01:47:05] bobry: ибо разницы в данном случае никакой
[01:47:15] gigimon: логично, да
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[01:51:11] gigimon: спс
[01:51:27] bobry: да незашт вроде :)
[01:51:28] bobry: кстати почему не twisted?
[01:52:31] gigimon: bobry: я допиливаю чужую софтину, туды надо реализовать работу со списокм проксей для посылки запросов в яндекс.хмл
[01:52:40] gigimon: тащить туда твистед и изучать тяжело и нет времени =(
[01:52:58] gigimon: хотя, там в проекте юзается Qt для запросов в базу)
[01:53:00] bobry: ну да
[01:53:02] gigimon: надо посмотреть у нее
[01:53:08] gigimon: может есть чего
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[02:17:16] gf: ктонить django-cms юзает?
пытаюсь сделать по туториалу плугин..
после создания страницы, создания на ней плугина, и попытке его редактирования получаю ошибку:
Caught NoReverseMatch while rendering: Reverse for 'polls.views.result' with arguments '('',)' and keyword arguments '{}' not found.
[02:18:49] gf: б...ть, не могу уснуть не разобравшись.. :(
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[02:26:36] gigimon: ошибку с revers
[02:26:49] gigimon: формат реверса и urls првоеряй
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[15:23:21] webninja: слушайте
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[15:24:11] webninja: http://dumpz.org/30102/
[15:24:16] webninja: вот такой кусок из шаблона
[15:24:19] webninja: такая тема
[15:24:24] webninja: когда рендерит
[15:24:28] webninja: оставляет пробелы
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[15:25:23] webninja: <li><a href="/templates/">Templates</a></li>

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[15:25:27] webninja: ну типа того
[15:26:21] webninja: короче принимает серьезно перевод стоки после операторов джанго темплейтов
[15:26:27] webninja: реально это как нибудь остановить?
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[15:32:52] gigimon: webninja: а какая разница?
[15:33:03] webninja: красота хтмл
[15:33:03] gigimon: браузер же всеравно не отобразит перевод строки
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[15:33:22] webninja: да но вью соурс коде показывает свинство
[15:33:31] gigimon: ну ты определись, тебе красоту html исходного или конечного)
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[15:33:46] gigimon: наверноможно ка-кто
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[17:02:40] _lorien: не могу дать голос, в пидгине нельзя задать роль для юзверя с пробелами в имени :)
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[17:04:38] gigimon: пиджин кокашка))
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[17:05:40] webninja: не
[17:05:42] webninja: пиджин рулез
[17:06:11] _lorien: дайте голос: я как бе намекаю, шо смогу голос дать, если ты пробел уберёшь из ника :)
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[17:25:30] webninja: на руби есть декораторы?
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[18:19:22] piranha: !voice moobi
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[18:19:33] piranha: брр, сраный пони, ты будешь работать или нет?
[18:19:44] piranha: сек
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[18:19:47] piranha is now I don't smile for pictures. I smile because it rocks.
[18:19:54] piranha: moobi: а, так дало голос
[18:19:59] moobi: piranha: спс
[18:20:04] piranha: welcome )
[18:20:15] moobi: у мну к вам питоноедам вопрос
[18:20:20] moobi: :-)
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[18:20:53] moobi: может знаете есть для расшаривания инета на смарт прога на питоне минипрокси называеться?
[18:21:17] moobi: пс для расшаривания по бт
[18:22:49] moobi: проблема вот в чем на стандартных дровах пашет а с блюсотелом хрен. может подскажите как исправить скрипт?)) буду очень благодарен
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[18:46:52] gigimon: moobi: тут мало кто юзает питон на симбе и еще меньше bluesoleil
[18:47:35] moobi: gigimon: симба не при чем))) я спрашиваю про серверную часть
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[18:48:12] gigimon: ну, сажу по-другому
[18:48:23] gigimon: на винде тут мало кто и темболее с bluesoleil
[18:48:31] gigimon: и к тому же без ошибок и т.п.
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[19:03:10] gf: как мне добраться в шаблоне до элементов в <django.db.models.fields.related.ManyRelatedManager object at 0x93d166c>?
[19:03:26] gigimon: а тебе точно надо к ним добираться?
[19:03:36] gigimon: во вьюхе в переменную их затолкай и отдай
[19:03:40] gigimon: в темплейт
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[19:03:55] gf: ээ.. ок, сеньк за тропу.. :)
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[19:04:37] gf: gigimon а если в шаблоне, то как?
[19:04:49] gigimon: gf: незнаю)
[19:04:57] gf: тоже вариант.. :)
[19:04:59] gigimon: написать свой тэг
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[19:16:57] gf: gigimon {% for i in instance.employee.all %}
[19:17:07] gf: работает..
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[19:40:19] xa4a: piranha:
[19:40:25] piranha: ?
[19:40:28] xa4a: было предложение давать всем голос автоматом
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[19:40:33] xa4a: пару дней назад
[19:40:33] piranha: ага
[19:40:40] piranha: тож думаешь шо так будет ок?
[19:40:44] xa4a: угу
[19:40:45] piranha: щас исправлю настройки конфы
[19:40:46] piranha: посмотрим
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[19:40:50] xa4a: а то надоели писать в приват)
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[19:40:53] piranha: ага )
[19:41:03] piranha: сделл
[19:41:09] xa4a: перезайди
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[20:06:13] piranha: xa4a: та уже всë ок
[20:06:21] piranha: у тебя просто висит в адиуме он, на самом деле давно он ушëл
[20:06:44] xa4a: ок
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[20:26:28] gigimon: xa4a: ты тоже на маке?
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[20:31:13] xa4a: да
[20:31:58] xa4a: а чо, кто-то не на маке ещё?
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[20:40:23] xa4a: или кто-то сомневается, какой ноут брать? (mpb13")
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[20:47:41] gigimon: хы
[20:47:52] gigimon: xa4a: этого года прошка?
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[20:48:57] xa4a: эм
[20:48:59] xa4a: прошлого
[20:49:01] xa4a: 10
[20:49:11] xa4a: ьс374
[20:49:12] xa4a: mc
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[21:01:09] gigimon: xa4a: 2010, в 2011 еще не представили, у меня такой же
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[21:01:21] bobry: кто нибудь с mongokit работал?
[21:01:50] bobry: расскажите мне какого он не умеет сохранять частично загруженные документ
[21:01:52] bobry: *ы
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[21:30:11] umi: читаю Python Algorithms, не понимаю кое-что
[21:30:18] umi: This is the mechanism that is used in dictionaries, which are implemented using so-called hash tables.
Sets are implemented using the same mechanism. The important thing is that the hash value can be
constructed in essentially constant time (it’s constant with respect to the hash table size but linear as a
function of the size of the object being hashed). If the array that is used behind the scenes is large enough,
accessing it using a hash value is also Θ(1) in the average case. (The worst-case behavior is Θ(n), unless
we know the values beforehand and can write a custom hash function. Still, hashing is extremely efficient
in practice.)
What this means to us is that accessing elements of a dict or set can be assumed to take constant
(expected) time, which makes them highly useful building blocks for more complex structures and
algorithms.
[21:30:37] umi: кто-нибудь может помочь мне понять написанное?
[21:30:56] umi: This в первом предложении - это hashing
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[21:31:12] bobry: что именно тебя смущает?
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[21:31:30] umi: implemented using hash tables
[21:31:34] umi: что именно это значит?
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[21:31:42] umi: как это выглядит?
[21:31:43] bobry: значит что set() реализован как хеш
[21:31:51] umi: что это значит?
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[21:31:58] bobry: значит что время доступа O(1)
[21:32:01] bobry: как у словаря например
[21:32:06] bobry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hash_tables
[21:32:28] bobry: ну точнее это среднее значение :)
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[21:33:24] umi: я конечно википедию почитаю, просто может кто-нибудь тут обладает даром объяснять на пальцах )
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[21:34:37] bobry: ммм, тебя интересует как именно это реализовано в питоне?
[21:35:16] bobry: просто если вопрос в том "что такое хеш таблица", то лучше наверное вики — первого абзаца хватит, чтобы не погружаться :)
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[21:36:19] umi: скажем, есть у нас словарь
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[21:36:47] umi: "implemented using so-called hash tables" означает что? что питон хэширует значения словаря и использует хэши как индексы?
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[21:38:55] xa4a: umi: словари представляются в виде хеш-таблицы, где индексы - хеши от ключей
[21:38:56] xa4a: вроде, как-то так
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[21:39:24] umi: а почему время O(1)?
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[21:39:32] umi: почему не линейное?
[21:39:44] gigimon: потому что это хэш таблицы
[21:39:46] gigimon: почитай про них
[21:39:53] umi: читаю
[21:40:44] xa4a: где-то была крутая статья про словари..
[21:41:00] quasiyoke: Алсо simple english -- язык в колонке слева иногда хорош
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[21:42:08] quasiyoke: я читал про различные коллекции на algolist.ru, кажется
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[21:46:43] quasiyoke: except InflectionError,e:
if conf.settings.DEBUG:
retval=unicode(e)
else:
retval=text
return retval

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[21:47:02] quasiyoke: xa4a, вы вчера предлагали писать в лог
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[21:47:13] quasiyoke: в какой лог?
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[21:47:47] bobry: umi, линейное время потому что одно из требований к хеш функции — константное время работы, а доступ к элементу массива O(1)
[21:47:59] quasiyoke: "писать в лог" -- это было цитирование
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[21:48:01] xa4a: quasiyoke: import logging
[21:48:13] umi: bobry, а почему доступ к элементу массива O(1)?
[21:48:32] bobry: umi, ну предположительно внутри там массив — где еще хранить значения то?
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[21:49:43] umi: bobry, как осуществляется доступ к элементу массива? мне кажется (я верю, что мне кажется неправильно, но хочу понять, почему), что чем больше массив, тем дольше там искать элемент, то есть время линейное
[21:49:48] quasiyoke: xa4a, ну надо же. Но файл-то всё равно придётся выбирать нет оговорённго места-то, насколько я пока что вижу из дока.
[21:50:13] gigimon: umi: http://algolist.ru/ds/s_has.php
[21:50:44] umi: gigimon, там C
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[21:50:50] bobry: не, у массива произвольный доступ O(1)
[21:51:01] gigimon: umi: разница какая? там теория
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[21:51:11] bobry: линейный для односвязного списка, про двусвязный не помню
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[21:52:10] xa4a: umi: в массиве искать не надо
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[21:52:46] xa4a: у тебя вначале массив есть и хеш-функция. с помощью функции ты получаешь наиболее вероятную позицию в массиве для своего ключа
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[21:53:03] quasiyoke: хороший простой наглядный пример хеширования был у страуструпа
[21:53:23] xa4a: например у тебя есть хеш-таблица на 10 ячеек и хеш-функция f(x) = x % 10
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[21:54:41] xa4a: если положить пары (1, 'val1'), (13, 'val2'), (42, 'val3'), они положатся в сотв первую, третью и вторую ячейки
[21:55:24] xa4a: когда ты будешь искать ключ 42, то взяв снова значение хеш-фии от 42, можно заключить, что, если значение есть, соответствующее этому ключу, то оно во второй ячейке
[21:55:48] xa4a: тоесть нужно проверить только эту ячейку, и искать в остальных - не надо
[21:56:01] quasiyoke: да, но только хеширующая функция должна устанавливать биекцию меж хешами и своими аргументами
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[21:56:06] xa4a: нет
[21:56:11] xa4a: допускаются коллизии
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[21:56:40] umi: страшные слова пошли )
[21:56:50] umi: xa4a, поняла
[21:56:52] xa4a: тогда можно, например, ключи-значения с одним хешем складывать в список в одной ячейке. это и будет O(n) - худший случай
[21:57:31] quasiyoke: и в нашем примере, с a%N -- как разрешать вcе 45 65 75 85... ага, понял.
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[22:01:11] xa4a: чем больше эл-тов в таблице - тем больше вероятность фейлов - попаданий не с первого раза (при постоянном размере таблицы)
[22:01:26] xa4a: в питоне - ресайзят таблицу-массив, когда она заполняется наполовину, вроде
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[22:03:50] umi: большое спасибо
[22:03:54] quasiyoke: вот страуструповская функция хешировала строку, бежав по ней, xor'я хеш-long c каждым следующим байтом и делала сдвиг long'a влево, а в конце цикла опять брался остаток от деления на число ячеек, как у xa4a
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[22:05:25] xa4a: отдельное искусство - придумывать хеш-ф-ии
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[22:09:35] xa4a: *образовательные воскресенья на pythonua*
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[22:09:45] bobry: :D
[22:09:59] bobry: /me тоже читает python algorithms
[22:10:05] bobry: только чуть впереди
[22:10:08] umi: :)
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[23:37:58] quasiyoke: Tools for russian words inflection just by template filter. Uses http://nano.yandex.ru/project/inflect/ for getting cases and caches them in db.
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[23:42:08] xa4a: Tools for russian words inflection just by template filter. => Template filter for russian words inflection
[23:42:41] xa4a: Template filter for russian words inflection using http://nano.yandex.ru/project/inflect/
[23:42:47] xa4a: про кеш можно сразу не писать
[23:42:50] xa4a: в тайтле
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[23:43:38] quasiyoke: ну это long_desription of setup,py
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[23:48:56] quasiyoke: C-M-% words C-<M> phrases
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[23:49:21] quasiyoke: M-%, да.
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[23:50:45] quasiyoke: спасибо за помощь по недоязыку.
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