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[00:32:34] gigimon: блин
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[00:33:44] gigimon: чет не могу регулярку сообразить, подскажите: есть строка <div id=resultStats>текст цифры текст<nobr>, как вытащить цифры?
[00:33:56] gigimon: учитывая что они могут быть записаны с пробелом
[00:34:27] nott: замени все не-цифры на пустую строку :)
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[00:34:38] nott: через re.sub
[00:34:59] gigimon: гм
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[00:36:06] gigimon: проще в 2 регулярки пройтись)
[00:36:18] gigimon: забрать весь текст меж тэга и там найти цифры
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[00:36:57] nott: а зачем вытаскивать текст внути тэга если в тэге нету цифр?
[00:37:55] gigimon: текст цифры текст
[00:37:59] gigimon: вот это я вытащу
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[00:40:47] quasiyoke: ur'(\d+)' даст цифры
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[00:42:55] gigimon: не даст если там будут пробелы
[00:42:57] gigimon: хотя вру
[00:43:00] gigimon: даст группы
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[00:44:15] quasiyoke: угу
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[00:45:00] gigimon: In [10]: rege = re.compile(r'\<div id\=resultStats\>.* (\d+) .*\<nobr\>', re.U)

In [11]: rege.findall(text)
Out[11]: ['000']

In [12]: text
Out[12]: '<div id=resultStats>About 295 000 results<nobr>'

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[00:45:28] quasiyoke: re.findall(ur'\.*\d+\.*','fffffffff 33 ffffff 565 ffffff fff',re.U) даёт ['33', '565']
[00:45:55] gigimon: а зачем точку экранировать?
[00:46:20] quasiyoke: re.findall(ur'\d+','fffffffff 33 ffffff 565 ffffff fff',re.U) низачем, то был бред
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[00:46:34] quasiyoke: незачем*
[00:47:25] gigimon: просто в строке это понятно
[00:47:30] gigimon: у еня огромный текст
[00:47:40] gigimon: ориентир только <div id=resultStats>
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[00:48:31] quasiyoke: разбирайте его как html
[00:49:19] gigimon: эхе хе
[00:49:25] quasiyoke: хоть htmllib и запретили...
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[00:49:53] quasiyoke: наверное намекали на xml.sax и .dom
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[00:50:35] gigimon: lxml.etree умирает на документе)
[00:51:09] gigimon: ему почему-то <! не нравится
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[00:52:16] quasiyoke: я писал собственный велосипед саксовый которому плевать на небольшие огрехи синтаксиса
[00:53:15] quasiyoke: я его использую делая сначала Seek по файлу и только потом запуская -- у меня тоже крупные xml
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[00:53:46] quasiyoke: если вы писали contenthandler'ы для sax, то оно вам, возможно, поможет
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[00:57:21] gigimon: не писал
[00:57:25] gigimon: а страница html
[00:57:27] gigimon: гугловый
[00:57:56] quasiyoke: здоровый?!
[00:58:12] quasiyoke: ну там невалидное все
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[00:59:03] gigimon: гугл козлы какие-то
[00:59:24] quasiyoke: ...было -- видел сам. непарные <td>; обращаю внимание -- не <td />
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[01:00:51] quasiyoke: использовалось здя задания новых ячеек <tr><td>hello<td>hello</tr>
[01:00:53] quasiyoke: какие где там страницы он выдаёт здоровые?
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[01:01:56] gigimon: да поисковая выдача
[01:02:03] gigimon: надо вытащить количество найденых страниц
[01:02:25] quasiyoke: если вам нужны результаты поиска, то яндекс умеет выдавать xml, точно. да по-моему и гугл тоже
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[01:04:08] quasiyoke: ха-ха насчёт td и сейчас так :)
[01:04:09] gigimon: мне надо именно то, что он пишет: кличество найденых страниц
[01:04:34] gigimon: у гугла апи javascript
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[01:04:39] quasiyoke: может я один тут какой-то отсталый дурак и сейчас так все таблицы размечаются?
[01:04:43] gigimon: ну или я не нашел в оф доке
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[01:05:30] quasiyoke: окей, в чём проблема?
[01:05:38] gigimon: где?
[01:05:54] gigimon: проблема в том, что мне не нужен javascript
[01:06:14] gigimon: а что он там своей либой отправляет нет ни времени ни желания смотреть
[01:06:16] quasiyoke: ну re вам не помогает?
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[01:07:08] quasiyoke: вы хотите много поисковых результатов анализировать?
[01:07:35] gigimon: да не хочу я анализировать
[01:07:42] gigimon: с re проблему я уже написал выше
[01:07:46] gigimon: что не получается вытянуть
[01:07:55] gigimon: привязаться к текстовой строке не могу
[01:08:00] gigimon: т.к. гугл меняет там фразы
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[01:13:11] gigimon: ладно, добил через re
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[01:15:55] quasiyoke: re.findall(ur'<div id=resultStats>[^\d]*(\d[\d\s]*)','4444<div id=resultStats>fffffffff 33 ffffff 565 ffffff fff',re.U)
[01:16:05] quasiyoke: и я
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[01:26:12] gigimon: гугл ваще
[01:26:13] gigimon: 126 Errors, 8 warning(s)
[01:26:20] gigimon: простая страница с результатми
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[01:26:40] gigimon: 49 Errors, 1 warning(s)
[01:26:42] gigimon: индекс
[01:26:44] gigimon: ппц
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[01:29:56] quasiyoke: это mozilla'вские трейсы?
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[01:31:27] gigimon: это сайт w3c
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[01:32:20] gigimon: хотя яндекс не лучше
[01:33:21] quasiyoke: скажите, а есть ли css аналог align="center" для контейнеров, например для table?
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[01:35:33] gigimon: /me не верстальзик
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[01:37:40] quasiyoke: float, float это называется. ок. просто так спросил.
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[08:35:11] wiz: (use '[clojure.contrib.server-socket :only (create-server)])
[08:35:16] wiz: /me расхотел трогать кложуру
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[08:40:10] bobry: :D
[08:41:35] bobry: wiz, а ты не на арче случаем?
[08:41:45] wiz: бог миловал
[08:41:49] bobry: :/
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[08:42:07] bobry: у меня так мило X жрет процессорное время последнюю неделю
[08:43:40] wiz: бывает
[08:43:42] wiz: рестартни
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[08:44:00] bobry: да — рестарт помогает, но ответ "бывает" меня не очень устраивает :)
[08:44:07] bobry: хотелось бы выяснить с какого это вдруг
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[08:48:01] wiz: какой-нибудь говнофлэш течёт
[08:48:16] bobry: possible
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[08:54:21] _lorien: у меня x чё-то тоже жрал как-то, а потом раз и перестал жрать
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[08:56:21] bobry: _lorien, вот такая магия меня как раз и пугает
[08:56:30] bobry: вроде linux же, а в логах пусто ...
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[08:57:04] _lorien: ну например в проге глючный цикл он же не будет логироваться, мол привет, я глючный :)
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[08:57:27] bobry: ну да, но я честно говоря жду немного другого от стабильного репа :)
[08:57:30] _lorien: возможно есть какие-то спецсредства мониторинга, которые логируют жрущие процессы
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[08:57:38] bobry: я думал у closure-library документация говно
[08:57:43] bobry: это я еще не видел jquery-ui
[08:57:52] _lorien: ой, оно такое большое
[08:58:00] bobry: closure-library?
[08:58:04] _lorien: нет, jquery-ui
[08:58:08] bobry: ну да, и почти вся документация это код
[08:58:12] _lorien: чо за closure я не знаю
[08:58:20] bobry: как можно было пропустить описание widget api ...
[08:58:22] bobry: /me не понимает
[08:58:44] _lorien: bobry: напиши документацию, хуле, опенсорс же :D

[08:58:47] bobry: _lorien, гугл год назад же зарелизил — свою библиотеку
[08:58:55] _lorien: а, точно, слышал
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[08:59:00] bobry: ну всякие статьи гуглятся конечно
[08:59:08] bobry: но там код какой то meh
[08:59:44] bobry: просто — не пишешь документацию, плодишь говнокод
[08:59:54] bobry: где тонны кастомных виджетов для ui?
[09:01:33] bobry: Tornado: "We compile all templates to raw Python. Error-reporting is currently... uh, interesting."
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[09:35:49] xa4a: bobry: течёт флеш. (с) телепат
[09:36:09] bobry: надо его удалить вообще
[09:36:22] xa4a: он же не из стабильного репа?
[09:36:33] bobry: не, он из AUR'a
[09:36:40] xa4a: течёт не стабильно
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[09:37:14] bobry: я что то и забыл про него совсем, он на x86_64 вообще сомнительный статус имеет
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[09:39:11] wiz: как в баше запустить curl http://url/{1..10} параллельно?
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[10:03:52] _lorien: curl && curl && curl? :)
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[10:37:12] deepwalker: _lorien, это последовательно же
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[10:38:11] deepwalker: for i in {1..10};do echo curl http://www.ru/$i/ &; done
[10:38:14] deepwalker: может так?
[10:38:23] _lorien: да, точно
[10:38:41] deepwalker: wiz, попробуй
[10:39:04] deepwalker: _lorien, кстати заценил тут sr - клевая тулза
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[10:41:56] _lorien: у меня всё руки не дойдутнаписать нормальный setup.py, шобы sr в PATH прописывалась
[10:42:13] _lorien: тогда на любой системе мона easy_install sr сделать и усё
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[10:43:25] piranha: _lorien: хм
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[10:44:23] piranha: scripts=['sr'],

[10:44:25] piranha: там же есть это
[10:44:31] _lorien: да, хм )
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[10:44:50] _lorien: ну если есть, круто, как-нить протещщу ))
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[10:52:20] deepwalker: wiz, ну тады не знай
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[10:52:24] deepwalker: я не спец по башу
[10:52:25] bobry: ну как можно было такое написать http://code.google.com/p/digestj/source/browse/trunk/login/jquery.login.js
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[10:52:37] bobry: еще и рекапчу туда зафигачить
[10:52:40] bobry: *facepalm*
[10:53:10] deepwalker: bobry, ты так расскажи, а то там коду много
[10:53:45] bobry: deepwalker, по идее это реализует digest auth на клиенте
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[10:54:09] bobry: только почему то единственная доступная функция тащит свой диалог и рекапчу
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[10:54:25] deepwalker: напаркуа там рекаптча, мне интересно
[10:54:36] bobry: нафига тем диалог — вот что интересно
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[10:55:22] bobry: я бы скорее написал шо нить типа .secureAjax() или шо нить такое — чтобы просто можно было запросы делать с Authorization хедером
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[11:01:37] _lorien: бля, исходники django.contrib.admin это ад :)
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[11:06:31] slav0nic: а ты вспомни ориво когда они не могли пофиксить урл на логаут с админки)
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[11:07:32] bobry: _lorien, да ладно тебе, в contrib еще куда ни шло — ты глянь отдельных представителей reusable apps :)
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[11:09:59] _lorien: да там пиздец в contrib.admin - вьюшки зашиты в методы какой-то там класса оттуда подключается куча шаблонов, в которых куча темплейттэгов, в которых куча всяких фукнкций ещё импортируется
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[11:10:29] bobry: ну структура там неочевидная — ага :)
[11:11:02] Sevenov: Красивое ооп рвёт мозги _lorien?
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[11:11:36] _lorien: Там ГК, а не ООП :)
[11:11:47] xa4a: _lorien: пиши на пхп
[11:11:51] xa4a: *пищи
[11:12:04] xa4a: или шли патчи
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[11:12:13] _lorien: Через три часа пойду на курсы контраварийного вождения, буду как еблан крутить руль в классе :))
[11:12:17] Sevenov: _lorien, у джанго-админки код прекрасен
[11:12:21] Sevenov: так же как и у форм
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[11:12:25] Sevenov: и у моделей
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[11:12:40] xa4a: Sevenov: затолстел резко
[11:12:45] bobry: :D
[11:13:05] Sevenov: xa4a, тссс.
[11:13:42] _lorien: А ни у кого нельзя в Москве неделю пожить с девушкой? :D

[11:13:57] _lorien: Или там на даче какой-нить
[11:14:05] Sevenov: Кстати. А вот кто не ленится писать тесты. Вы тесты тестов пишете?
[11:14:11] slav0nic: )
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[11:14:33] slav0nic: Sevenov, ты тоже на рельсы перешёл чёли?)
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[11:14:41] bobry: Sevenov, боян же
[11:15:07] Sevenov: bobry, что именно?
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[11:15:18] Sevenov: slav0nic, да я на всё перешел, лишь бы не жангочка.
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[11:16:26] bobry: Sevenov, тесты для тестов
[11:16:41] Sevenov: bobry, хм.
[11:16:50] Sevenov: bobry, ок.
[11:16:57] Sevenov: а, стоп, не.
[11:17:15] bobry: даже на хабре уже видел
[11:17:18] Sevenov: bobry, Каааа? О нет! Это меня убило, больше никогда сюда не зайду!!!!1
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[11:17:32] Sevenov: :3
[11:17:34] bobry: >.<
[11:17:40] deepwalker: _lorien, тебе прям с девушкой, или у тебя своя?
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[11:17:52] slav0nic: карманная
[11:18:03] Sevenov: deepwalker, я тоже об этом подумал, но не смог сформулировать.
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[11:18:33] Sevenov: Посуточная аренда двушки.
[11:18:35] Sevenov: *девушки
[11:18:49] xa4a: девушка-двушка
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[11:19:09] Sevenov: мягкая подружка
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[11:19:30] Sevenov: Понедельничное утро такое странное.
[11:19:59] xa4a: Sevenov: да.. что-то ты проснулся сразу в pythonua
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[11:22:48] bobry: порочто?
[11:23:00] Sevenov: *погроминге
[11:23:05] Sevenov: погроминг@цжр
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[11:28:17] _lorien: не, я со своей
[11:28:33] wiz: code review на гуглохостинге рулит
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[11:39:01] wiz: https://code.google.com/p/aka-study/source/browse/wiz/prefork.py — я правильно понял идею префоркед воркеров? вроде отрабатывает и не валится. даже спид-ап какой-то есть. но иногда в .recv() попадает не запрос, а пустая строка. тестирую ab.
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[12:21:28] gigimon: подскажите такой вопрос, как сделать чтобы текст в коде был такой же как при использовании print?
[12:21:42] gigimon: была команда какая-то
[12:21:52] gigimon: BadRequest: u'error code: 15 - \u0418\u0441\u043a\u043e\u043c\u0430\u044f \u043a\u043e\u043c\u0431\u0438\u043d\u0430\u0446\u0438\u044f \u0441\u043b\u043e\u0432 \u043d\u0438\u0433\u0434\u0435 \u043d\u0435 \u0432\u0441\u0442\u0440\u0435\u0447\u0430\u0435\u0442\u0441\u044f'

In [4]: print u'error code: 15 - \u0418\u0441\u043a\u043e\u043c\u0430\u044f \u043a\u043e\u043c\u0431\u0438\u043d\u0430\u0446\u0438\u044f \u0441\u043b\u043e\u0432 \u043d\u0438\u0433\u0434\u0435 \u043d\u0435 \u0432\u0441\u0442\u0440\u0435\u0447\u0430\u0435\u0442\u0441\u044f'
error code: 15 - Искомая комбинация слов нигде не встречается

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[12:25:51] gf: gigimon я как то гуглил эту тему, но без результата.. если чето нароешь - отпиши..
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[12:27:13] _lorien: чо надо непонятно
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[12:27:57] gigimon: забей, решил не делать)
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[12:30:59] xa4a: gigimon: ты не хочешь в сообщении иксепшна юникодные символы
[12:31:10] xa4a: т.к. оно тогда упадёт где-то в самом неожиданном месте
[12:31:12] огыешсук: почему?
[12:31:15] gigimon: xa4a: не хочу, но других нет
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[12:31:23] xa4a: пичаль :(
[12:31:23] gigimon: xa4a: это яндекс.xml
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[12:31:27] xa4a: аэ
[12:31:28] gigimon: оно отдает по-русски )
[12:31:43] gigimon: я решил тупо код ошибки отдавать и все
[12:31:45] огыешсук: неужели питон до сих пор неюникодный мамонт?
[12:31:46] xa4a: ну из самого иксепшна-то можно выдрать юникод?
[12:32:01] gigimon: да
[12:32:05] xa4a: в смысле не repr(e), а какой-то e.getmessage()
[12:32:08] xa4a: ок
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[12:32:40] gigimon: с ошибками на русском
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[12:33:56] gigimon: хм, как удмаете, как долго будут писать пел3,
[12:33:59] gigimon: gtk3?
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[13:27:49] deepwalker: а yandex.api нельзя попросить не писать по-русски?
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[14:01:16] gigimon: количество найденых страниц через апи и через веб отличается для некоторых сайтов
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[14:18:28] xa4a: через веб оно использует личный тюнинг
[14:19:10] piranha: http://groups.google.com/group/pylons-devel/browse_thread/thread/2e0c1d669924ea3f?hl=en
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[14:21:54] gigimon: которые выводят все по адресу
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[14:22:24] gigimon: piranha: тебе какое название больше нравится? пилоны или пирамида?
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[14:22:42] piranha: хм
[14:22:45] piranha: оба неплохо имхо
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[14:24:46] bobry: gigimon, пробуешь пирамиду?
[14:25:06] gigimon: нет)
[14:25:17] bobry: по моему движок python.org так называется кстати, что не помешало правдо pylons заюзать это называние
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[14:37:08] gigimon: а есть какой-нить блогодвижок мелкий на птонах? не обязательно джанго
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[14:38:14] огыешсук: есть
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[14:38:33] gigimon: который хоть как-то поддерживается?
[14:38:44] gigimon: bobry: название?)
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[14:39:03] bobry: !g lightweight blog engine python
[14:39:04] gigimon: мне то надо, писать туда, какой-то язык разметки
[14:39:05] piranha: нет
[14:39:06] gigimon: хех
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[14:39:15] gigimon: piranha: а твой на чем?
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[14:39:23] piranha: мелкого рабочего блогодвижка на питоне который поддерживается - нет
[14:39:24] bobry: django же
[14:39:26] gigimon: а то на сагалаевский похож
[14:39:27] piranha: у меня там статический сайт
[14:39:44] piranha: http://hg.piranha.org.ua/piranha.org.ua/
[14:39:49] piranha: можешь вот на исходники посмотреть )
[14:40:31] piranha: gigimon: на сагалаевский может из-за дизайна немного разве что
[14:40:37] piranha: у него вордпресс :)
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[14:43:00] gigimon: piranha: а у тебя статический :)
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[14:43:24] gigimon: а как ты посты создаешь?
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[14:44:26] piranha: http://hg.piranha.org.ua/piranha.org.ua/file/0d02e1eba2b2/newpost
[14:44:49] gigimon: понятно
[14:44:57] gigimon: piranha: ну этот файлик и смотрю)
[14:45:09] piranha: http://piranha.org.ua/cyrax/
[14:45:12] piranha: рендерится вот этим
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[14:48:52] gigimon: блин, чет не могу найти никакой язык разметки с реализованной вставкой <pre><code>
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[15:44:05] wiz: Release Schedule
Sunday, February 13
Python 3.2 final
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[15:46:51] gigimon: круто
[15:47:13] gigimon: а в 3.3 будут новые фичи? или как гвидо хотел только оптимизации и стабилизация?
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[15:49:25] wiz: новые фичи будут в 4.0 (8
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[15:53:21] gigimon: :)
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[15:59:29] wiz: и потом до самого 5.3 стабилизировать будут ((=
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[15:59:47] deepwalker: Гвидо хотел другого
[16:00:06] deepwalker: Гвидо хотел, чтобы уже все мигрировали на пи3, и все сторонние реализации тоже
[16:00:13] deepwalker: потмоу что фрагментация намечается
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[16:00:52] bobry: PEP 3148, a new futures library for concurrent programming
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[16:01:20] bobry: и pyc directories тоже sweet
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[16:01:48] bobry: только название у директории какое то странное ...
[16:02:18] webninja: я мигрирую на питон3 когда либы перепишут
[16:02:22] webninja: джанго
[16:02:25] webninja: и т.д.
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[16:02:57] wiz: или напишут что-нибудь покруче
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[16:03:12] webninja: ну возможно мне джанго нравится )
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[16:03:44] webninja: сначало было так 0_o omg wtf man? wtf this code doing?
[16:03:49] wiz: ну теперь ты, как порядочный мужчина обязан на ней жениться
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[16:04:41] webninja: а теперь (^_^) constructing...
[16:05:20] webninja: некоторые моменты казались нелогичными а потом я понял что к чему )
[16:05:50] webninja: еще правда дофига чего есть но это уже маячит на горизонте а не скрыто в тумане )
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[16:06:17] deepwalker: werkzeug и jinja как мигрируют, тут и все
[16:06:26] webninja: кстати ваще тру. это смотреть как делают, я почитал исходники байтфлоу многое сразу стало ясно.
[16:06:32] wiz: deepwalker, в роадмапе есть уже?
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[16:07:21] webninja: jinja блин почти такой же как и джанговский движок темплейтов
[16:07:36] deepwalker: webninja, ни разу
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[16:07:47] deepwalker: он очень сильно отличается
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[16:07:52] webninja: я писал пару сайтов с жинжей. статику генерил
[16:07:59] deepwalker: я ни одного темплейт тега к нему не написал
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[16:08:16] deepwalker: а как ни глянешь в жангопрожект - горы
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[16:08:27] webninja: хм
[16:08:32] deepwalker: и все какая-то пужня, типа умнодить на 3
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[16:08:37] deepwalker: и тп
[16:08:39] webninja: хых
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[16:08:49] deepwalker: вот неудобно когда данные во вьюхе готовить
[16:08:56] webninja: ну потому что это не забота темплейта умножать
[16:09:08] deepwalker: а чья это блин зхабота??
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[16:09:12] webninja: вьюха
[16:09:21] deepwalker: фигня
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[16:09:42] deepwalker: нет ничего стремного в том, чтобы секунды перевести в часы в шаблоне
[16:09:48] deepwalker: потому что это вывод данных
[16:10:08] deepwalker: и я прям легко делаю round(seconds/3600)
[16:10:14] webninja: ну так блин ты хочешь взвалить вычисления на часть которая отвечает всего лишь за визуализацию данных. это не правильно мне кажется
[16:10:34] webninja: а если секондс со знаком -
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[16:10:41] webninja: или дробь,
[16:10:42] deepwalker: а ты хочешь, чтобы я сломал себе мозг собирая и компонуя эти данные, когда я могу просто блин умножить в шаблоне??
[16:10:57] deepwalker: нетуш нетуш
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[16:11:17] deepwalker: не надо логику отображения размазывать по всему проекту
[16:11:33] deepwalker: отрисовкой занимаются шаблоны? вот пусть и выводят данные
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[16:11:51] webninja: а в руби шаблоны делают вычисления?
[16:11:59] deepwalker: м, а мне пофиг на руби : )
[16:12:05] webninja: кстати в жанге можно jinja2 юзать даже в доках есть
[16:12:10] deepwalker: я в курсе
[16:12:25] deepwalker: только нафиг нужна джанга, вот в чем вопрос
[16:12:30] webninja: орм
[16:12:37] deepwalker: быгыгы
[16:12:45] deepwalker: sqlalchemy
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[16:12:51] webninja: ну есть тогда TurboGears
[16:12:53] deepwalker: + amalgam
[16:12:59] deepwalker: есть svarga
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[16:13:09] webninja: главное достоинство жанги мне кажется дико подробная документация
[16:13:10] deepwalker: в который все собрано, упаковано и завернуто
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[16:13:20] deepwalker: тут прав
[16:13:26] deepwalker: документация это поблема
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[16:13:32] deepwalker: никому не хочется ее писать : )
[16:13:36] webninja: по алхимии доки какие-то ваще непонятные этож блин талант нужен так писать
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[16:13:48] !tmp~: админка, моделформс, формсетс
[16:14:00] deepwalker: !tmp~, страшные слова что ле?
[16:14:06] !tmp~: формсеты кстати какие-то все же дикие на мой вгляд.
[16:14:14] !tmp~: deepwalker, не, это все к батарейкам
[16:14:19] deepwalker: ааа : )
[16:14:23] !tmp~: deepwalker, а ты думал я ктулху вызываю?
[16:14:24] deepwalker: ну так есть форм еще
[16:14:34] deepwalker: wtforms, fungiforms
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[16:15:04] !tmp~: deepwalker, покажи мне формс, на которых я легко напилю динамические вложенные формсеты произвольной структуры?
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[16:15:13] deepwalker: только что показал
[16:15:15] webninja: блин вот мне опции надо хранить так чтобы можно было менять как например в вордпрессе. не могу найти приличный апп
[16:15:23] !tmp~: deepwalker, очень хотелось бы пример
[16:15:28] deepwalker: в доке
[16:15:35] !tmp~: глядел, не увидел
[16:15:38] !tmp~: ок, погляжу еще
[16:15:43] piranha: !tmp~: чувааак
[16:15:45] !tmp~: торопился тогда
[16:15:47] piranha: wtforms >>>> django.forms
[16:15:49] !tmp~: piranha, хэээй)
[16:15:56] Sevenov: !tmp~, чувааак
[16:16:02] piranha: я писал на втформах формы дикой вложенности и сложности
[16:16:03] !tmp~: serg.makar, хээээээй Жъ
[16:16:15] Sevenov: Бедный serg.makar
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[16:16:20] piranha: в то же время на джанговские я переписывал всë то, что я сделал за 3 часа, неделю
[16:16:29] piranha: и вышло в 5 раз больше кода и куча глюков
[16:16:30] piranha: :(
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[16:16:39] deepwalker: а fungiforms кажутся как минимум не хуже
[16:16:40] !tmp~: piranha, я верю. ну говорю же: смотрел в доки. но торопился и бегло слишком смотрел. при просмотре по диагонали не нашел.
[16:16:52] piranha: django.forms - это на самом деле один из основных конкурентов django.template на звание самой говняной части джанги
[16:16:53] Sevenov: !tmp~, https://github.com/stephenmcd/mezzanine/blob/master/mezzanine/forms/forms.py -- генерация форм налету :3
[16:16:56] Sevenov: КРАСОТА!1
[16:17:04] piranha: deepwalker: угу
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[16:17:39] !tmp~: Sevenov, +клиенцкий js?
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[16:17:55] piranha: не, ты в код посмотри
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[16:18:09] piranha: deepwalker: jinja2 кстати на питоне 3 работает
[16:18:10] !tmp~: Sevenov, piranha, вот щас пилю проект на django с mongoengine, джанговый орм не юзаю, админку не юзаю, формы определенно утомляют, шаблонизаторы и получше есть..
[16:18:12] piranha: вопрос только в всги
[16:18:18] !tmp~: чото вот прямо провоцирует..
[16:18:22] piranha: !tmp~: ап чом и речь :)
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[16:18:42] deepwalker: !tmp~, айда к нам : )
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[16:18:50] piranha: в джанге всë очень плохо, когда тебе нужно хоть что-то отличное от того, под что она заточена
[16:18:50] !tmp~: piranha, а стиль работы монго вообще подталкивает напилить все на node.js
[16:18:54] !tmp~: deepwalker, в смысле?
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[16:19:09] deepwalker: сваргу пилить : )
[16:19:11] piranha: как только что-то перестаëшь юзать, всë остальное начинает кумарить
[16:19:12] nmk: !tmp~: а какой у монги стиль работы?
[16:19:27] piranha: !tmp~: колбеки хочется нагромодить? :)
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[16:19:54] !tmp~: deepwalker, все может быть, но точно не щас. своих проектов хватает, сегодня в 8:30 ваще лег
[16:20:12] deepwalker: !tmp~, я уже один проект на сварге запилил
[16:20:41] !tmp~: nmk, открой консольку монговую, открой доки и пощупай
[16:20:51] !tmp~: deepwalker, охотно верю
[16:20:53] deepwalker: да все щупали
[16:21:01] deepwalker: ты объясни причем тут ноде?
[16:21:13] nmk: !tmp~: ээ. я как бы с моногой в теме. только я не понимаю какой там может быть стиль работы, правда.
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[16:21:27] nmk: а консолька монговая. ну. за то что она делает с числами ее надо убить
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[16:22:59] Sevenov: !tmp~, mapreduce?
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[16:23:11] !tmp~: piranha, у меня есть некоторое кол-во кода, который работает на ноде, пока в колбеках не утонул
[16:23:27] !tmp~: nmk, недостатки есть у всего
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[16:23:33] Sevenov: !tmp~, callback(callback(callback(callback(callback(callback(callback(callback)))))))
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[16:23:46] !tmp~: Sevenov, не о том, но тоже хорошо
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[16:23:48] deepwalker: не знаю, колбеки это ахтунг, особенно нодевские
[16:24:04] deepwalker: корутинов им не хватает очень сильно
[16:24:20] Sevenov: А ахтунг - это гей => коллбеки == гей => ноду юзают геи из под макоси!
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[16:24:48] piranha: badger badger badger badger
[16:24:59] Sevenov: look at my horse
[16:25:07] !tmp~: чо, у меня жабер отвалилсо? :(
[16:25:09] nmk: !tmp~: а монга у тебя на какой нагрузке, кстати? сколько query/s?
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[16:27:36] webninja: а какие альтернативы джанге есть?
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[16:27:56] piranha: pyramid, svarga, flask
[16:27:57] webninja: вы парни не видели пхп код в плигге хех
[16:28:03] webninja: вот это ЖОПА
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[16:28:33] webninja: спагетти из пхп и скуэль
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[16:28:56] webninja: flask
[16:28:59] Sevenov: пирамид - это же АД какой-то
[16:29:06] webninja: а TurboGears?
[16:29:16] webninja: pyramid это Pylons бывший?
[16:29:21] slav0nic: да
[16:29:34] Sevenov: TG вроде как тоже теперь вливаются в пирамидку
[16:29:38] slav0nic: турбогирс тоже влился туда
[16:29:43] Sevenov: PYRAMID FRAMEWORK!11
[16:29:44] webninja: хм
[16:29:49] Sevenov: ПЕРЕВОРОТ В ЕГИПТЕ!11
[16:29:58] slav0nic: )ток хотел написать
[16:30:01] webninja: получается там алхимя в качестве орма?
[16:30:02] deepwalker: шит, в конце твоих строк 11
[16:30:03] Sevenov: :D
[16:30:08] deepwalker: все связано
[16:30:46] deepwalker: *слился : )
[16:30:57] piranha: webninja: pyramid - это замена pylons и бывший repoze.bfg
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[16:31:21] piranha: glashammer еще ж
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[16:31:47] piranha: но так как я жопешные технологии не люблю, а стек поку люблю, то пирамида имхо сакс, остаются flask, glashammer, svarga
[16:32:07] piranha: первый маленький, второй странный, у третьей апи еще не стабилен )
[16:32:16] webninja: хых
[16:32:41] webninja: looks like джанге нет серьезных альтернатив
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[16:33:23] slav0nic: web2py!
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[16:33:32] piranha: точно
[16:33:36] piranha: web2py еще лучше
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[16:34:13] Sevenov: веб2пай ваще ок
[16:34:14] !tmp~: облин
[16:34:18] !tmp~: чо это было ваще?
[16:34:28] !tmp~: от это меня покидало
[16:34:31] piranha: хез, мне тока шо написал, что ты вышел
[16:34:32] piranha: :)
[16:34:34] Sevenov: Там щетай модели даже иксемель можно сериализовывать
[16:34:42] Sevenov: !tmp~,
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[05:32:35 PM] !tmp~ has joined the group chat (сон разума рождает чудовищ)
[16:35:02] piranha: Sevenov: да там стока ужаса, шо нет слов
[16:35:05] Sevenov: веб2пай так-то переплюнул жангу
[16:35:06] !tmp~: ну короче с момента, как я заткнулся, меня не было)
[16:35:13] !tmp~: и я уже не помню о чем была речь
[16:35:25] !tmp~: хочу спать, спорить если чо лень
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[16:36:20] Sevenov: я почти сутки не спал
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[16:36:47] deepwalker: а хто спорит? Мы обсуждаем слив всего в пирамиду
[16:36:53] !tmp~: Sevenov, как я тебя понимаю
[16:36:58] piranha: вам срочно нужно встретиться всего и помериться, у кого длиннее
[16:37:03] piranha: период бодроствования
[16:37:11] piranha: s/рос/рс/
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[16:37:52] bobry: а Sevenov все толстее и толстее ..
[16:38:02] deepwalker: растет
[16:38:03] !tmp~: piranha, давайте ленью мериться. мне лень допечатыв
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[16:38:15] bobry: :D
[16:38:32] bobry: webninja, use flask luke
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[16:39:00] Sevenov: deepwalker, удлиняется.
[16:39:12] webninja: no you
[16:39:19] deepwalker: ага ага, можно во flaske использовать амальгаму кстати
[16:39:55] nmk: а settings во flaske толкьо мне каким-то корявыми показались?
[16:40:17] webninja: also just mention that jokes with "use * luke" pattern is terrible gimmick =) i stand for it yo
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[16:40:54] !tmp~: а ваще, чо это за язык?
[16:40:56] bobry: nmk, что именно коряво?
[16:41:10] bobry: webninja, это не джоук была
[16:41:11] Sevenov: piranha, давай, завывай нашу.
[16:41:14] !tmp~: я бы понял from flask import luke
[16:41:16] !tmp~: и тп
[16:41:20] piranha: deepwalker: там есть flask-sqlalchemy, в принципе, которая более/менее
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[16:41:26] !tmp~: а use это откуда?
[16:41:28] webninja: это мета юмор заграничный )
[16:41:33] piranha: Sevenov: куда завывать?
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[16:41:43] bobry: прямо сюда
[16:41:46] Sevenov: piranha, badger badger badger badger
[16:42:01] piranha: :))
[16:42:03] nmk: bobry: да, то что без app нету config :)
[16:42:27] piranha: http://www.weebls-stuff.com/flash/5873badgerf9.swf
[16:42:30] Sevenov: Так хочется написать "хуйпизда", но воспитание не позволяет.
[16:42:36] bobry: nmk, ну — да, это слегка неудобно
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[16:47:53] nmk: bobry: еще мне не нравится во flaskе паттерн когда вьюхи раскидываешь по разным файлам. http://flask.pocoo.org/docs/patterns/packages/
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[16:48:39] bobry: ну я себе аналог джанговского url приписал и был счастлив :)
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[16:49:13] bobry: блин, хочется нормальной библиотеки для OAuth2
[16:49:17] nmk: да не. к урлам я не придираюсь, хотя мне не нравится декораторы для урлов. мне не очень нравится что сначала ты делаешь app, а потом там что-то импортишь.
[16:49:22] bobry: похоже ее не существует в природе
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[16:50:03] webninja: есть же
[16:50:06] bobry: в целом это ожидаемо, ибо там все вокруг app'a вертится
[16:50:24] bobry: webninja, то что есть меня не устраивает, если ты о python-oauth2
[16:50:34] webninja: хм
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[16:50:41] bobry: ты код то смотрел?
[16:51:04] webninja: я юзал её чтобы ньюсбота прикрутить в твиттер норм.
[16:51:05] bobry: хотя клиент там может и нормальный, но меня сервер интересует
[16:51:14] webninja: да код говеный я частично там перелопатил
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[16:51:44] bobry: особенно умиляет OAUTH_VERSION = '1.0' # Hi Blaine!
[16:52:03] webninja: =)
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[16:52:29] bobry: https://github.com/simplegeo/python-oauth2/blob/master/oauth2/__init__.py#L145
[16:52:33] bobry: и вот это тоже круто
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[16:52:45] Sevenov: А давайте пообсираем либы
[16:52:52] bobry: Sevenov, начинай
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[16:52:58] webninja: да
[16:53:04] webninja: я написал либу опен сурс
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[16:53:28] Sevenov: Оке
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[16:53:38] webninja: https://github.com/istinspring/Mag.ma-API-Python/blob/master/magma-api.py
[16:53:39] Sevenov: https://github.com/dag/attest/ -- Аттест - говно, потому что там декоратор.
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[16:53:45] !tmp~: "скажи мне, что ты слушаешь, и я скажу тебе, что ты слушаешь говно"
[16:53:46] Sevenov: А я фанат Ванечки.
[16:53:47] bobry: да, самое забавное что сервер действительно реализует oauth1.0
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[16:53:57] bobry: какого хрена там -oauth2
[16:54:37] bobry: Sevenov, давай потолще че нить, это не то
[16:54:53] piranha: Sevenov: эпик фейл, рендер-ту здесь любят же обычно
[16:55:11] Sevenov: piranha, рендерту - довольно странная практика
[16:55:17] Sevenov: Я не понял декораторы
[16:55:22] piranha: точно, она изменяет поведение функции
[16:55:26] !tmp~: piranha, я в него таки ночью по фану впилил ту свою мысль с yield'ами. получилось весьма кавайно по юзабилити
[16:55:28] Sevenov: поэтому рендерту - говно
[16:55:30] piranha: что конечно странно, когда я возвращаю другую функцию
[16:55:32] Sevenov: piranha, ДА
[16:55:38] piranha: ведь это же совсем непонятно
[16:55:45] Sevenov: piranha, именно
[16:55:45] webninja: я щаз заюзар рендер ту
[16:55:47] piranha: потому что я написал функцию, а кто-то еë взял и заменил
[16:55:54] bobry: :)
[16:55:56] !tmp~: но жестко по коду, потому что я не мог не извратиться в концептуальном коде
[16:55:57] webninja: седня перелопатил код текущего проекта везде поменял
[16:56:01] piranha: !tmp~: хммм
[16:56:02] bobry: севенов на высоте
[16:56:05] piranha: а скинь куда-нить код
[16:56:15] piranha: webninja: да, это мы так шутим
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[16:57:12] !tmp~: piranha, оно мержит yield'нутые дикты, но если натыкается на первый же yield'нутый не дикт, прекращает итерировать вьюху и дальше работает с этой находкой, забив на дикты
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[16:57:55] piranha: хм
[16:57:57] piranha: надо поцдумать
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[16:58:12] !tmp~: piranha, прямо щас к коду доступа нет, поэтому словесно описал
[16:58:26] !tmp~: ну там пара строк вкрячивается
[16:58:38] piranha: webninja: http://vorushin.ru/blog/26-decorators-python/#comment_132
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[16:58:42] piranha: !tmp~: ага, я понял
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[16:58:57] !tmp~: piranha, по-моему, здравая телега
[16:59:05] Sevenov: webninja, ваня не рекомендует.
[16:59:07] !tmp~: реально задолбало собирать контекст по кускам
[16:59:33] piranha: !tmp~: да, я думал - мне кажется, отличная тема
[16:59:44] piranha: я в сваргу в еë декораторы запилю
[16:59:54] piranha: а больше мне нигде и не надо, пушо у нас на работе лол вместо рендерту
[16:59:57] Sevenov: piranha, кстати, инсанитиес примерно так работает
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[17:00:24] Sevenov: url('foo/', view_foo) | url('bar/', view_bar) как-то так
[17:00:33] piranha: это не то
[17:00:48] Sevenov: вьюшки работают как миддльвари
[17:00:55] Sevenov: ну, образно
[17:01:01] piranha: мы говорим о том, что ты можешь делать во вьюхе такое:

@render_to('tmpl')
def view():
yield {'first': 'asdasd'}
yield {'second': 'qweqwe'}
[17:01:02] !tmp~: хм попробую ща wol домашнему компу сделать и выдрать код
[17:01:13] Sevenov: piranha, да я понел же
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[17:01:23] Sevenov: а view1(), view2()
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[17:01:30] gigimon: знатоки virtualenv подскажите, как в окружении установить mysql-python, которое не видит EnvironmentError: mysql_config not found ?
[17:01:35] gigimon: в самой системе установлен
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[17:02:04] Sevenov: Пойду-ка я домой
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[17:03:16] bobry: gigimon, это ошибка при установке?
[17:03:20] !tmp~: piranha, а джанго анноин на гитхабе не?
[17:03:26] !tmp~: сразу туда бы и впилил
[17:03:33] gigimon: bobry: да
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[17:03:54] bobry: !tmp~, там уже выпилено все
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[17:04:11] !tmp~: а то у всех хреновы тонны своих версий этого рендер_ту, впиливал в первую подвернувшуюся
[17:04:14] !tmp~: bobry, гм?
[17:04:14] bobry: gigimon, а заголовки стоят для libmysql?
[17:04:27] gigimon: bobry: в системе -да
[17:04:46] bobry: !tmp~, ну ты глянь — в annoying уже есть render_to
[17:05:24] !tmp~: bobry, я про допиливание render_to, дабы оно умело работать с генераторами. возникла у меня знаешь ли такая идея. отчего бы не собирать контекст по кускам yield'ами
[17:05:28] slav0nic: в джанге есть render
[17:05:33] slav0nic: шоткат
[17:05:39] !tmp~: ночью куда попало впилил, вот щас думаю, где бы пошарить
[17:05:45] gigimon: bobry: в самой системе и mysql-python стоит
[17:06:06] bobry: gigimon, надо чтобы были заголовки для libmysql, libmysql-dev или как они там
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[17:06:43] gigimon: ok
[17:06:43] bobry: !tmp~, т.е. ты делаешь "".join(list(view())) — так чтоли? какой бонус то?
[17:06:46] gigimon: не стояли и правда
[17:06:56] gigimon: думал mysql-python из apt поставило
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[17:07:07] bobry: ну дык ты ж его не собираешь :)
[17:07:19] !tmp~: bobry, не джойн, а мерж диктов, либо использование первого не дикт результата yield'а. бонус в ветвлениях логики.
[17:07:44] !tmp~: не надо в начале вьюхи городить уродство вида context = {}, чтобы потом в разных местах его по разному обновлять и в итоге возвращать
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[17:07:56] bobry: /me не видит принципиальной разницы
[17:08:08] Sevenov: !tmp~,

yield {'foo': 'foo'}
yield {'foo': 'bar'}

Что будет? {'foo': 'bar'}?
[17:08:22] !tmp~: Sevenov, да
[17:08:31] !tmp~: по-моему, хорошо
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[17:08:47] bobry: а джанга еще поддерживает 2.4?
[17:08:55] bobry: *где нету yield'a*
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[17:09:46] bobry: если уж у тебя там так много логики, лучше сделать вьюшку классом и разнести все по методам imho
[17:09:55] bobry: намного понятнее серии yieldов
[17:10:46] !tmp~: bobry, в моем случае, для которого я по быстрому это впилил ночью, я реально сэкономил некоторое кол-во строк кода, не потеряв в понятности
[17:10:55] bobry: покеж?
[17:11:06] !tmp~: класс-бэйзед вью явно не сэкономило бы ни строки
[17:11:18] !tmp~: bobry, говорю же, щас не имею к коду никакого доступа, так получилось
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[17:11:33] bobry: ох, ну class-based возможно добавило бы понятности :)
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[17:13:32] !tmp~: там итак все понятно, просто поверь
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[17:15:37] Sevenov: from brain import data
def only_global_mega_view():
return data
[17:16:13] !tmp~: Sevenov, ты забыл @FBI_membership_required
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[17:16:34] Sevenov: @ALL_IN_ONE
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[17:17:57] piranha: о, а Ване там вменяемо ниже в комментах ответили
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[17:18:28] piranha: !tmp~: джанго-анноин - это ж свинский проект, а не мой
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[17:18:51] !tmp~: piranha, мхм, чей?
[17:18:54] !tmp~: Sevenov, Ъ
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[17:19:21] piranha: Хрюнделя
[17:19:34] !tmp~: а
[17:19:44] piranha: bobry: у меня с начала работы в пейлоджике теперь не просто нелюбовь, а ненависть к класс-бейзед вьюхам
[17:19:55] bobry: piranha, а шо так?
[17:19:56] piranha: ибо криворучки их просто дико абьюзяд
[17:20:13] bobry: нууу, криворучки все что угодно абьюзяд :)
[17:20:23] !tmp~: переноси эмоции на криворучек)
[17:20:32] bobry: bad practice
[17:20:34] piranha: нуууу, есть определëнные моменты, которые легче факапить
[17:20:45] bobry: например? шо они с ними делают?
[17:20:46] piranha: class-based view это ближе к bad practice
[17:20:47] piranha: )
[17:20:59] piranha: они сцуко наследуют их триста раз так, что нихера от оригинала не остаëтся
[17:21:04] piranha: какого спрашивается куя?
[17:21:06] bobry: ауч ...
[17:21:13] bobry: SuperGenericView
[17:21:15] bobry: :D
[17:21:15] piranha: были б функции-хелперы - никаких проблем понять, что происходит
[17:21:24] piranha: но их нет, есть методы, которые хз где определены
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[17:21:38] piranha: очень тяжело вдуплить, где определëн метод, если цепочка наследования хотя бы 3-4
[17:21:41] piranha: приходится тупо бегать везде
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[17:21:45] piranha: кумарит дико
[17:21:50] piranha: функцию-то ты напрямик импортируешь
[17:21:59] piranha: плюс они self получается как глобальную переменную юзают
[17:22:06] piranha: RAGEEEEEEEEEE
[17:22:08] piranha: HATEEEEEEEE
[17:22:08] bobry: ну если прям везде class based views — то это не айс
[17:22:12] piranha: везде
[17:22:13] !tmp~: piranha, наследование - это такая штука, которая должна быть сначала НУЖНА, а потом уже ИСПОЛЬЗОВАНА
[17:22:14] bobry: да, с self там тоже подстава
[17:22:16] piranha: везде везде везде
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[17:22:22] piranha: короче
[17:22:36] piranha: class-based view куда больше возможностей для лëгкого незаметного факапа даëт
[17:22:41] piranha: из-за чего я их не люблю
[17:22:45] !tmp~: но некоторые думают, что если ты не юзаешь наследование, то тимлид думает, что ты не умеешь ооп
[17:22:52] !tmp~: и это фейспалм
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[17:23:07] piranha: дада
[17:23:14] piranha: ах, а DRY?
[17:23:20] piranha: вы забываете про DRY
[17:23:29] bobry: вы забываете про функциональную композицию
[17:23:31] bobry: мать же вашу!
[17:23:32] bobry: :D
[17:23:38] piranha: сначала классовые вьюхи надо инициализировать!
[17:23:41] piranha: как отдельную переменную!
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[17:23:54] bobry: унт?
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[17:24:06] !tmp~: DRY: "ты опять написал слово CLASS!!!" - stop repeating it
[17:24:21] piranha: а названия типа ViewOrderDetails_Buildup
[17:24:26] piranha: !tmp~: :)
[17:24:49] piranha: почему ViewOrderDetails? Почему не ViewOrder или не OrderDetails?
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[17:24:57] !tmp~: DRY: Oops, I did it again ыыы
[17:25:01] piranha: потому что ViewOrderDetails наследуется от ViewOrder
[17:25:08] piranha: а потом от него еще этот _Buildup
[17:25:09] bobry: у меня сегодня вечер ненависти к библиотекам, mongokit бесподобен SchemaTypeError: username must be an instance of unicode not str
[17:25:12] piranha: и прочие варианты
[17:25:21] piranha: bobry: а шо?
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[17:25:34] bobry: ну почему бы ему самому не попробовать привести это добро к уникоду
[17:25:40] bobry: не хочу думать за него
[17:25:53] piranha: с ума сошëл?
[17:25:57] piranha: как он приведëт к уникоду?
[17:26:00] bobry: нет, там ascii строки
[17:26:05] piranha: ну й шо
[17:26:13] piranha: твои данные приехали снаружи - ты и юникодизируй
[17:26:23] bobry: str().decode("utf-8")
[17:26:28] piranha: кул
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[17:26:36] piranha: это должен ты делать, он же не знает, утф8 там или нет
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[17:26:51] bobry: там байт строка, это то он знает :)
[17:27:27] bobry: даже SA всего лишь warning пишет в таком случае
[17:27:49] piranha: :)
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[17:30:50] Sevenov: СВИНСКЕЙ @ ГУСЕЙ
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[17:35:11] gf: в шаблон надо вставить урл текущей страницы, это какая переменная?
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[17:36:25] !tmp~: piranha, какая-то такая трава:
def merged_dicts_or_first_whatever(generator):
merged = {}
def trunc():
yield (x for x in (merged.update(y) if isinstance(y, dict) else y
for y in generator) if x).next()
return (list(trunc()) or [merged])[0]
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[17:36:49] !tmp~: ну это было ближе к 7-8 утра, мозгу хотелось встряски
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[17:37:17] !tmp~: print merged_dicts_or_first_whatever([ {1:1}, {1:2}, 2, {2:3}, 3 ]) -> 2
print merged_dicts_or_first_whatever([ {1:1}, {1:2}, {2:3} ]) -> {1: 2, 2: 3}
[17:37:50] piranha: !tmp~: хардкорчик
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[17:38:24] !tmp~: piranha, соответственно, втыкается сразу после получения результата выполнения вьюхи применительно к оному
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[17:39:33] piranha: out = view(*args, **kwargs)
if isinstance(out, list):
return
elif isinsnstance(out, dict):
return
else:
merged = {}
for d in out:
merged.update(d)
[17:39:35] piranha: почему не так?
[17:40:23] !tmp~: piranha, мозгу хотелось встряски :)
[17:40:33] piranha: :))))
[17:40:46] !tmp~: и, не, там не так
[17:40:50] !tmp~: щас объясню
[17:40:51] piranha: !tmp~: ты аккуратно с этим, а то у нас тут в проекте многие встряхивают мозгом :(
[17:41:11] !tmp~:
if isinstance(output, types.GeneratorType):
output = merged_dict_or_first_whatever(output)
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[17:42:27] piranha: :)
[17:42:38] piranha: !tmp~: не вижу надобности в отдельной функции
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[17:43:43] !tmp~: piranha, ну, эта хрень забивает на дикты, если ты yield'ишь хоть один не дикт. и прекращает итерировать вьюху
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[17:44:06] piranha: кошмар нах
[17:44:17] piranha: внутренняя функция не нужна
[17:44:19] piranha: а так да, разумно
[17:44:21] !tmp~: piranha, я не хотел много ифов там, где надо чисто обозначить присутствие трансформации)
[17:44:57] !tmp~: [06:42:35 PM] piranha: внутренняя функция не нужна
иначе было бы еще больше вложенности
[17:45:15] !tmp~: ну короче это порождение сонного мозга после около 12 часов кодинга, чо ж тут
[17:45:19] piranha: :)
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[18:03:55] !tmp~: piranha, и вот еще
...
for d in out:
merged.update(d)
[06:37:52 PM] piranha: почему не так?
потому что может быть дикт, дикт, а потом редирект, опа
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[18:04:27] !tmp~: и в этот момент надо забыть про дикты и работать с редиректом. ну и прекратить итерировать
[18:04:37] bobry: а что с диктами делать?
[18:04:40] bobry: вообще забыть?
[18:05:06] !tmp~: bobry, а нафиг они нужны, если нам четко говорят "ненене, все не так, ретурним ваще редирект"
[18:05:24] bobry: ну это вообще не кошерно получается
[18:05:35] !tmp~: чем?)
[18:05:35] bobry: а кстати что если yield вернет HttpRequest()
[18:05:43] bobry: не обязательно редирект
[18:05:48] !tmp~: bobry, работа продолжится с ним
[18:06:00] bobry: ну не знаю, как это нестройно на мой взгляд
[18:06:28] !tmp~: bobry, я же написал. оно мержит дикты, пока не наткнется на любой не дикт. в этом случае оно все бросает (в т.ч. и итерирование) и начинает работать с недиктом
[18:06:42] bobry: ага, я понял
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[18:06:51] bobry: я бы не стал такой код писать :)
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[18:07:19] bobry: к тому же совсем сильное ветвление вьюшке верный признак того, что что-то не так
[18:07:28] bobry: *во вьюшке
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[18:12:31] piranha: нене
[18:12:33] piranha: bobry: не всегда
[18:12:41] piranha: иногда просто всë действительно сложно, и что делать? )
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[18:33:12] _lorien: показать код который yieldы бросает?
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[19:36:49] gigimon: как там аппа к джанге зовется, которая ошибки мониторит и сохраняет?
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[19:41:33] xa4a: import logging?
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[19:42:04] !tmp~: piranha, аэто, как бы ты избавился от inner функции? разве что ловить StopIteration, а это делать что-то очень лениво
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[19:42:30] piranha: почему?
[19:42:49] piranha: for o in output:
if not isinstance(o, dict):
return o
merged.update(o)
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[19:43:26] !tmp~: piranha, а, вот ты о чем. ну да)
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[19:44:00] !tmp~: xa4a, да ну, медленно же
[19:44:11] xa4a: да ну. трай же быстрее ифа?
[19:44:15] !tmp~: чо? О_о
[19:44:16] xa4a: нет ветвления же
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[19:44:26] !tmp~: exception же трейсбэки генерит
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[19:44:49] Darth Лис: чо спорить, возьмите да и попробуйте ;)
[19:44:59] !tmp~: Darth Лис, я хочу спаааать..
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[19:45:10] Darth Лис: редагент когда-то замерял
[19:45:10] xa4a: !tmp~: дак он же не всегда генерит
[19:45:16] xa4a: а if - всегда проверяет условие
[19:45:34] piranha: на эксепшене трай медленнее, без него - быстрее
[19:45:37] !tmp~: xa4a, на практике итераций будет исчезающе мало
[19:45:40] Darth Лис: try/except тормознее, при условии что эксепшен всегда работает
[19:45:59] !tmp~: piranha, я думал ты имел в виду избавление от иннера с сохранением лисп-стайла :D
[19:46:49] piranha: лисп-стайл в питоне обычно медленнее и хуже читается, чем не лисп-стайл
[19:46:53] !tmp~: Darth Лис, сильно подозреваю, что в реальных условиях будет примерно пополам
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[19:47:17] !tmp~: piranha, согласен. я его просто люблю как гимнастику для мозгов)
[19:48:01] piranha: :)
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[19:48:14] Typhon: piranha, что за код странный?
[19:48:15] !tmp~: честно говоря, даже использую специально когда надо сконцентрироваться
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[19:48:33] !tmp~: не в продакшне, понятное дело
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[19:48:36] Typhon: смысле, задачу какую-то странную решает, к.м.к.
[19:48:53] piranha: Typhon: обсуждаем поддержку yield'ов в функции, обëрнутой в render_to
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[19:49:56] !tmp~: и кстати есть бенефит - много нюансов если не узнаешь, то хотя бы вспоминаешь в процессе написания подобных великов
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[19:50:11] !tmp~: сплошные бонусы, главное - не лениться потом переписать это в читаемом виде
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[19:52:27] !tmp~: ладно, всем буй, пойду что ли домой, а по пути попробую проснуться
[19:52:37] Typhon: piranha, а, это типа код декоратора? а то с подозрением отношусь к гетерогенным последовательностям ^_^
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[20:00:07] Magister Yoda: подскажите какой параметр декоратора login_required отвечает за страницу логина. пробовал login_url - ругается
в гугле ничего не нагуглилось

ошибка
TypeError at /user/ login_required() got an unexpected keyword argument 'login_url'

код
@login_required(login_url='/',)
def ...
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[20:03:20] xa4a: Magister Yoda: а ты в доке смотрел?
[20:04:12] Magister Yoda: да
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[20:04:24] Magister Yoda: показать? =)
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[20:04:48] Magister Yoda: http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/topics/auth/#the-login-required-decorator
[20:04:55] xa4a: New in Django Development version.

[20:05:00] Magister Yoda: from django.contrib.auth.decorators import login_required @login_required(login_url='/accounts/login/') def my_view(request): ...
[20:05:04] xa4a: New in Django Development version.
login_required() <http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/topics/auth/#django.contrib.auth.decorators.login_required> also takes an optional login_url parameter.

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[20:07:05] Magister Yoda: это типа что только в новой версии есть такая фигня?
[20:07:32] xa4a: да
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[20:07:45] Magister Yoda: которая 1.3 будет?
[20:07:51] xa4a: в старой, видимо, в сеттингсах параметр
[20:08:02] xa4a: вероятно, 1.3
[20:08:11] xa4a: или уже есть в trunk
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[20:08:19] Magister Yoda: а в сеттингсах где этот параметр проставить - не подскажешь?
[20:08:46] xa4a: http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/ref/settings/#std:setting-LOGIN_URL
[20:08:53] xa4a: но не факт, что это в старых работает
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[20:11:41] Magister Yoda: сработало, но не совсем так как мне надо
[20:11:47] Magister Yoda: как указать корень сайта?
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[20:11:59] Magister Yoda: LOGIN_URL = ('/',) я думал что вот так
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[20:13:25] Magister Yoda: понял ошибку
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[20:38:40] wiz: Купившие этот товар также покупают... штоо?.. http://goo.gl/zfiOC (8
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[20:42:34] Magister Yoda: ахахаха, левая самая нужная :-D
[20:42:52] Magister Yoda: а вообще лутца бы 4-е издание
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[20:44:32] piranha: ненавижу, когда верстают название сверху вниз
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[20:46:58] Magister Yoda: в смысле? надо снизу вверх?
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[20:47:34] Typhon: piranha, как у кормена?
[20:47:41] Typhon: wiz, хаскиль изучаешь? ^_^
[20:47:47] piranha: как у изучаем пиотн
[20:47:49] piranha: питон
[20:48:01] piranha: Magister Yoda: да, их легче читать
[20:48:14] piranha: сверху вниз - это европейский стандарт, он старше книжных полок
[20:48:16] Magister Yoda: ты левша?
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[20:48:26] Typhon: а, голову вертеть надо, да, не одобряю, тоже!
[20:48:32] piranha: шоб его нормально читать, их нужно стопкой складывать
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[20:49:01] Magister Yoda: левша, не?
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[20:49:35] wiz: Typhon, не, отложил пока все изучения - просто пишу на эхотаге
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[20:49:48] wiz: но вообще надо, ага
[20:49:52] piranha: не, не левша
[20:49:52] Typhon: тогда зачем бодибилдинг?
[20:50:05] Typhon: btw, у меня кормен третье издание ^_^
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[20:50:25] wiz: на будущее. сейчас по хацкелю докуплю книжку и займусь основательно
[20:50:28] Magister Yoda: тогда не понимаю
[20:50:35] Typhon: я тоже не левша, но читать удобнее, наклоняя голову налево, т.е., когда снизу вверх.
[20:50:50] Magister Yoda: правша - проще голову направо наклонять должно быть
[20:51:13] Magister Yoda: левше с точностью наоборот
[20:51:17] wiz: не факт
[20:51:25] Typhon: откуда такие наблюдения? :D
[20:51:41] wiz: it's fucking intuitive!
[20:51:47] Typhon: смотри, у правшей левое полушарие больше работает
[20:51:54] Typhon: значит крови там больше
[20:51:56] wiz: значит перевешивает
[20:52:03] Typhon: и голова туда проще наклоняется
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[20:52:07] Magister Yoda: ну типа левша всё и вся левой делает, а правша - правой. соответственно и стороны предпочтительны
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[20:52:43] Magister Yoda: я правша, но вправо мне удобнее наклонять голову
[20:53:05] wiz: мне тоже (=
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[20:53:30] Magister Yoda: аха хотя смайлы чаще мы наклоняем налево =)
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[20:55:46] wiz: /me простудил шею, теперь никуда поворачивать неудобно ):
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[21:05:10] piranha is now I don't smile for pictures. I smile because it rocks.
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[21:05:35] piranha: Magister Yoda: ты просто неправильная правша
[21:06:20] Magister Yoda: *не правильный
[21:06:25] Magister Yoda: слитно
[21:06:35] Magister Yoda: случайно так написал
[21:06:57] piranha: Magister Yoda: http://www.artlebedev.ru/kovodstvo/sections/122/
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[21:08:05] Magister Yoda: и? а чо так сложно что ли книги перевернуть когда они лёжа?
[21:08:24] Magister Yoda: да и вообще - это в зависимости от того на какую сторону их класть
[21:08:45] piranha: когда лежат, и на морде прочесть можешь
[21:08:53] piranha: а когда стоят, то легче читать снизу вверх
[21:09:07] piranha: и идти от левой к правой книге (и соответственно строчкам, если они многострочные)
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[21:09:40] Magister Yoda: ну пойду я справа налево
[21:09:45] Magister Yoda: не умру от этого
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[21:09:57] piranha: мне пох
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[21:10:56] Magister Yoda: ты просто не можешь привести убедительных аргументов в твою пользу - то что снизу вверх читать удобнее
[21:11:16] piranha: я тебе привëл статью
[21:11:24] piranha: а дальше мне пох на твои убеждения
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[21:40:41] piranha: xa4a: слы, отключи боту пиналку
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[21:40:47] piranha: чтоб ни к кому не приставал больше
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[21:42:11] bomboosMan: Привет всем
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[21:43:15] piranha: ты лучше, как сказано в топике, задавай сразу вопрос :)
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[21:44:56] bomboosMan: Я поздоровался. Вопросов пока нет) хотя есть маленький
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[21:45:49] bomboosMan: У меня на линуксе очень древняя версия питона. Как более новей поставить?
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[21:47:53] xa4a: piranha: вроде не должен приставать уже
[21:48:21] bomboosMan: Я перезашел - проверки не было
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[21:51:38] bomboosMan: Так чего, не сталкивался никто?
[21:51:48] xa4a: какой линукс?
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[21:53:25] wiz: bomboosMan, скачай, скомпиль, поставь
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[21:55:38] bomboosMan: АLТ
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[21:56:10] bomboosMan: Мда... У меня с этим туго
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[21:57:34] Joes: смысл ставить линух если не знаешь как его пилить?
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[21:59:09] bomboosMan: На винде лицензия
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[22:02:39] xa4a: а кто шарит, талон к правам у нас, в ua, нужен ещё?
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[22:03:08] piranha: да :(
[22:03:54] xa4a: http://gska2.rada.gov.ua/pls/zweb_n/webproc4_1?pf3511=38424 а так?
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[22:06:32] xa4a: а то вчера словил гаишника на хреново оформленный путевой лист, он отпустил за так с протоколом "о переходе в неположенном месте с предупреждением", но талон свой я прое**л где-то там же :)
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[22:06:55] piranha: :D
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[22:07:20] piranha: xa4a: Останній стан: Готується на друге читання
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[22:13:58] xa4a: ага.. там ещё второе и третье должны пройти..
[22:14:00] xa4a: и опубликоваться
[22:14:22] xa4a: то есть месяц где-то ждать :\
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[22:21:06] xa4a: а чтобы новый сделать - надо теорию сдавать.. интересно, если попробовать сдать теорию, зафейлить и морозиться, пока закон не примут)
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[22:22:49] piranha: чтоб талон новый сделать?
[22:23:10] piranha: пробей через кого-нить
[22:23:18] piranha: не думаю, что новый талон сильно дорого обойдëтся
[22:23:26] piranha: у Севы есть контакты чувака, который может быть может такое порешать
[22:23:28] piranha: спроси его
[22:24:08] xa4a: угу, спс.
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[23:12:12] Joes: вопросец, кто-то openid юзал в промышленных масштабах?
[23:12:16] Joes: с гуглом, например.
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[23:12:28] Joes: сколько времени занимает запрос к их серверу, в среднем?
[23:12:41] Joes: сильно ли оно тормозит синхронный сервер, например джангу
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[23:18:27] piranha: ты не делаешь запрос к их серверу
[23:18:31] piranha: ты редиректишь чувака
[23:18:37] Joes: неа
[23:18:43] Joes: не совсем точнее
[23:18:45] piranha: :)
[23:18:51] Joes: просто копаю код
[23:18:53] Joes: торнадо
[23:19:03] Joes: у них там и редирект и какой-то POST запрос
[23:19:09] Joes: что бы сразу проверить - можно или нельзя
[23:19:15] Joes: вот этот POST запрос и интересует
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[23:20:09] Joes: а, там два режима есть
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[23:21:04] Typhon: piranha, ты, часом, не знаешь, как в имаксе, в определённом моде сменить тип комментов, которые он пользует для comment-region? у меня в objc-mode комментирует "//" -- такими комментами. а это с++ стиль, с -pedantic-errors даёт ошибки :( поставил comment-style на multi-line, это по идее должно было заставить использовать "/* */" для блоков кода. но не помогло, по-прежнему "//" фигачит на каждой строке. как бы так заставить его на каждой строке "/* */" ставить? ^_^
[23:22:02] piranha: не шарю :(
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[23:24:49] Typhon: жаль :( а где б найти исходники objc-mode в установленном имаксе?
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[23:25:11] piranha: C-h f obj-mode RET
[23:25:20] piranha: и там будет имя файла – ссылка на него
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[23:25:50] Typhon: о, круто, спасибо :)
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[23:47:20] Trec: Помогите в репозитории разобраться, если еть конечно туь кто-то
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[23:50:34] Typhon: решение моей проблемы -- присвоить переменным comment-start / comment-end нужные значения :) (хз, насколько это чотко, может лучше есть решения, но моё работает).
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[23:52:18] Trec: не получается import, в документации написано что вторым параметром надо писать URL но как написать URL если по нему и лежит тот проект который нужно засунуть в созданны репозиторий
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[23:53:34] Typhon: Trec, vcs какая? svn штоле?
[23:53:46] Trec: да svn
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