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[00:08:11] Typhon: xa4a, http://docs.python.org/faq/design.html#why-are-colons-required-for-the-if-while-def-class-statements -- кажется, ты поднимал такой вопрос
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[07:29:03] Magister Yoda: всем привет! вопрос по Django
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[07:30:56] Magister Yoda: <input type="hidden" name="user_id" value="{{ user. }}"> как верно user_id сюда написать, если шаблону передается request.user?
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[07:43:38] bobry: Magister Yoda, что точ передается?
[07:44:46] Magister Yoda: передается request.user, а в шаблоне эта переменная называется просто user
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[07:47:53] bobry: а что у тебя в context processors
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[07:48:26] bobry: потому что там есть отдельные процессоры для request и user
[07:48:42] bobry: соответственно что вставить user_id достаточно {{ user.id }}
[07:48:49] bobry: хотя можно и {{ request.user.id }}
[07:50:06] Magister Yoda: {{ user.id }} сработал
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[07:52:18] bobry: no way
[07:52:35] bobry: значит у тебя нет django.core.context_processors.request в TEMPLATE_CONTEXT_PROCESSORS
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[10:40:29] Typhon: http://gaperton.livejournal.com/58092.html "В защиту Bazaar"
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[11:12:10] bobry: ответ пиранье надо думать
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[14:00:17] Sevenov: Объяснил, почему базар так уебищен.
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[15:28:02] tramx33884: while "yes" == "n":
[15:28:18] tramx33884: yes = raw_input("Хотите продолжить? y/n: ")
[15:28:37] tramx33884: подскажите как закончить выполнение цикла
[15:28:46] tramx33884: если нажать n
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[15:30:49] bobry: tramx33884, "yes" никогда не будет равно "n"
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[15:31:15] tramx33884: подскажите как правильно написать
[15:31:30] tramx33884: чтобы выполнение цикла заканчивался
[15:31:40] bobry: while yes != "y"
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[15:32:01] bobry: можно while True, а потом if raw_input("...") == "y": break
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[15:32:32] webninja: йо
[15:32:41] tramx33884: Спасиб.
[15:32:51] bobry: незашт
[15:32:56] webninja: чем бы граффики рисовать python/django
[15:33:08] webninja: есть мудрец которые знает солюшн?
[15:33:08] bobry: webninja, какого рода графики?
[15:33:15] bobry: /me любит matplotlib
[15:33:30] webninja: ну самые простые линии как там называется это
[15:33:42] webninja: дата - значение например
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[15:34:10] bobry: ну тогда читай туториал matplotlib
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[15:34:32] webninja: http://code.google.com/p/flot/ мне тут кто-то вот это посоветовал
[15:34:46] webninja: Flot is a pure Javascript plotting library for jQuery <http://jquery.com>. It produces graphical plots of arbitrary datasets on-the-fly client-side.
[15:34:50] bobry: дык тебе на клиенте рисовать то надо?
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[15:35:02] bobry: если на клиенте то там мильйон вариантов :)
[15:35:03] webninja: мне не принципиально собственно
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[15:35:48] webninja: ого мат плот либ жгучий однако
[15:35:59] bobry: webninja, g.raphael хороший вариант
[15:36:05] bobry: рисует в sgv / vml
[15:36:12] bobry: православный интерактив и все такое
[15:36:14] bobry: *svg
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[15:37:36] webninja: In support of the Phoenix <http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/phoenix/main.php> mission to Mars, which used matplotlib in ground tracking of the spacecraft, Michael Droettboom built on work by Charlie Moad to provide an extremely accurate 8-spline approximation to elliptical arcs (see Arc <http://matplotlib.sourceforge.net/api/artist_api.html#matplotlib.patches.Arc>) in the viewport.
[15:37:42] webninja: ого ) как романтично )
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[15:39:08] bobry: webninja, единственный минус matplotlib в твоем случае что на выходе статичная картинка
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[15:39:18] webninja: ну и норм
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[15:40:17] webninja: http://people.iola.dk/olau/flot/examples/interacting.html флот вот так умеет хых
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[15:41:28] bobry: ну да, только flot рисует на канвасе
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[16:00:55] slav0nic: дебиан уже билдят релизные образы
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[16:02:00] bobry: молодцы какие :)
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[16:44:06] piranha is now I don't smile for pictures. I smile because it rocks.
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[16:45:47] cutwater: живые есть? вопрос тут такой назрел
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[16:46:06] cutwater: собственно я хочу для всех модулей в пакете седлать что-то по типу environment
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[16:46:26] erraen is now online
[16:46:47] cutwater: но если меня не подводит здравый смысл импортируя из пакета что-либо в модулях этого пакета мы получаем циклический импорт?
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[16:56:39] cutwater: есть кто живой?
[16:57:07] bobry: cutwater, какая то у тебя странная идея если честно
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[16:57:23] cutwater: bobry: ну ты с Flask работал?
[16:57:27] bobry: да
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[16:58:00] bobry: какой там общий environment?
[16:58:12] cutwater: admin = Module(__name__)

[16:58:23] cutwater: вот эту штуку я бы хотел вынести в пакет а не модуль =0
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[16:59:44] bobry: дык там же Module от _PackageBoundObject наследуется
[16:59:45] bobry: reuse
[17:00:11] cutwater: в смысле?
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[17:01:06] evrial is now xa
[17:01:31] erraen is now online
[17:02:06] bobry: хотя там ничего такого
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[17:03:27] cutwater: ну я не совсем понял что ты имел ввиду, видимо из-за того что не сильно разбирался что из себя представляет _PackageBoundObject
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[17:04:27] bobry: да-да, тебе не подойдет, меня название смутило
[17:04:32] e.s.burdin is now online
[17:04:45] bobry: вообще да — будет циклический импорт
[17:05:19] cutwater: ну видимо надо другой подход к проектированию
[17:05:25] bobry: может тебе вынести env в отдельный модуль? шобы не в корне оно было
[17:05:29] cutwater: bobry: я вижу во flask некоторые недостатки
[17:05:35] altego is now online
[17:05:36] cutwater: поэтому хочу написать свою поделку
[17:05:47] cutwater: но проблема в том что я еще не до конца представляю как ее спроектировать
[17:05:49] bobry: еще можно сделать обертку над стандартными модулями :)
[17:06:07] evrial is now xa
[17:06:28] bobry: а что тебе не нравится во flask?
[17:06:32] erraen is now online
[17:06:53] cutwater: ну хотя бы то как у них модульность сделана
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[17:11:33] cutwater: вот я не вижу ту концепцию которую я бы хотел увидеть....
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[17:24:58] slav0nic: http://www.merengueproject.org/
юзал кто?
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[17:27:15] bobry: выглядит заманчиво
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[19:28:23] piranha: гг
[19:28:27] piranha: гапертон написал ответ на мой пост
[19:28:33] piranha: такая ж херя
[19:28:34] piranha: херня
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[19:29:21] piranha: deepwalker: хехе, вижу, ты там уже в дискуссию включился ;D
[19:29:27] bobry: piranha, ну типа dvcs the быдло way
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[19:29:31] bobry: можно link еще разок?
[19:29:34] piranha: http://gaperton.livejournal.com/58092.html?style=mine
[19:29:42] piranha: заебали с этим шаред репо
[19:29:43] bobry: кстати как там эти команды реализованы шо они кросс платформенны?
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[19:29:54] piranha: без шаред репо базар клонирует медленно, с ним - как меркуриалом
[19:30:02] piranha: bobry: у меня в макоси их не было
[19:30:05] bobry: мне кстати нравится аргумент шо не надо всю историю тащить при clone (branch)
[19:30:09] piranha: это надо qbzr ставить
[19:30:09] Tony: ебаный стыд этот меренхуй
[19:30:13] bobry: какой тогда смысле в букве D
[19:30:21] Tony: в демке 404 выпадают. видать заебательская цэмэсэ
[19:30:32] piranha: я кстати не уверен, что не надо
[19:30:38] piranha: по-моему надо, щас я почитаю
[19:31:05] piranha: bobry: его надо спросить, как этого сделать, потому что по-моему этого нельзя сделать
[19:31:08] deepwalker: да ну у них там компания троллишек
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[19:31:11] piranha: это слишком сложно, а уж для базара - лол
[19:31:13] bobry: ну он пишет что там есть возможность вытянуть срез
[19:31:16] deepwalker: прям глянул - все знакомы же лица
[19:31:22] piranha: deepwalker: ну гапертон старый тролль/коневод
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[19:31:26] piranha: bobry: пишет, а возможности нет
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[19:31:29] piranha: :)
[19:31:34] piranha: в смысле bzr help clone почитай
[19:31:37] piranha: там ни слова про это
[19:31:42] gigimon: а в lxml и xpath можно выбрать элементы кроме какого-то?
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[19:31:55] deepwalker: он взял у тебя пару аргументов, сказал что ему на них похуй, написал два своих, ивсем в комментах пояснил, что на чужие ему похуй
[19:32:01] piranha: deepwalker: Не в теме базара, прост вопрос - как мне в общий реп залить свой локальный бранч (который клон) с выполненной работой на ревью?

никак, новый клон на сервере создай
[19:32:02] gigimon: не могу сообразить как не выбирать
[19:32:27] deepwalker: на сервере клон? брр
[19:32:37] deepwalker: кто их там пасти будет, клоны эти
[19:32:48] Tony: http://gaperton.livejournal.com/58092.html?style=mine - что это за уебок?
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[19:32:58] Tony: subversion, какие-то скрины окон
[19:33:00] bobry: Tony, ну ты крутой :)
[19:33:05] bobry: пасаны не воткнули йома
[19:33:29] Tony: по-моему это какой-то мышевоз. мышевоз - не человек.
[19:33:39] bobry: piranha, QBzr is a cross-platform GUI front end for Bazaar, based on Qt toolkit.
[19:33:42] piranha: deepwalker: никто, шо ж ты думал. Приходится раз в месяц ходить удалять, чтоб не жрало место
[19:33:44] piranha: bobry: ну да
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[19:33:47] bobry: ожидаемо в принципе то :)
[19:33:47] bobry: Q
[19:33:56] piranha: Tony: тысячнег!
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[19:34:31] Tony: кстати вот единственное чего из базара мне не хватает в hg это возможность оставлять логи комитов на сервере
[19:34:42] Tony: хотя может уже добавили
[19:34:45] bobry: там ott пишет про конфликт при мерже — у меня недавно такая фигня была с емаксом
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[19:34:54] bobry: обновлял из саваны а он мне раз — merge conflict
[19:34:59] piranha: хыхы
[19:35:02] bobry: хотя в репе ничего не трогал
[19:35:05] piranha: Tony: ещë раз
[19:35:08] bobry: __как__ такое может быть
[19:35:08] piranha: я не понял
[19:35:13] piranha: тоже интересно %)
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[19:35:50] bobry: http://gaperton.livejournal.com/58092.html?thread=1408492#t1408492
[19:35:55] bobry: трололо
[19:36:05] Tony: piranha, ну допустим. в hg при clone ты всегда скачиваешь весь репоз в т.ч логи коммитов. а их бывает оч. много. в bzr есть возможность не выкачивать их, а при bzr log это будет вытянуто с сервера.
[19:36:09] gigimon: piranha: в xpath можно вытянуть все элементы кроме какого-то?
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[19:36:30] piranha: Tony: так не логи коммитов, а сами коммиты?
[19:36:31] deepwalker: piranha, а вот про git branch, git push origin BRANCH, это про те самые remotes?
[19:36:34] Tony: piranha, соответственно в bzr можно как вытягивать это при pull/clone так и не вытягивать. в hg только вытягивать сразу при clone
[19:36:34] piranha: Tony: а как сделать?
[19:36:35] bobry: Tony, в hg log часть changeset'a
[19:36:44] bobry: как ты его будешь "не выкачивать" то
[19:36:48] piranha: deepwalker: ремоуты - это имена вида origin/master
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[19:36:52] piranha: gigimon: не знаю :)
[19:37:04] gigimon: =(
[19:37:13] bobry: gigimon, опиши подробней?
[19:37:14] piranha: я по хпасу не особо шарю :)
[19:37:16] Tony: piranha, внезапно обнаружил что у меня bzr даже не установлен. качаю. :)
[19:37:44] gigimon: bobry: есть html документ, мне надо убрать из него тэги <script>
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[19:37:54] piranha: bobry: какое-то время строгали это дело для хг, но пока всë остановилось. В смысле партиал хистори, чтоб ты мог скачать последние 10 чейнджсетов, а не все мегатонны истории
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[19:38:07] gigimon: bobry: ну и получить весь текст без тэгов
[19:38:09] piranha: это было бы гут для очень больших репозиториев, типа опенофиса/нетбинзов
[19:38:20] bobry: gigimon, во первых в lxml.html есть метод для удаления всех тегов
[19:38:23] piranha: gigimon: так тебе xpath не нужен
[19:38:27] gigimon: ок
[19:38:32] gigimon: пойду тогда смотреть
[19:38:38] bobry: во вторых теги <script> легко же выделяются "//script"
[19:38:43] gigimon: думал вырать тэги кроме script и вытащить из них текст
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[19:38:53] gigimon: bobry: дык мне не выбрать их, а удалить надо
[19:39:03] piranha: gigimon: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/scrubber/1.6.1
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[19:39:20] bobry: ну дык выбери и delete() или как там метод называется
[19:39:27] gigimon: понял
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[19:39:35] bobry: find() же Elementы возвращает
[19:39:36] gigimon: piranha: увы, надо без доп либ)
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[19:39:49] piranha: напиши сам такое же поверх lxml
[19:39:55] piranha: это ж просто делается довольно
[19:40:10] piranha: ну или если только скрипт, то да, .delete()
[19:40:21] bobry: в lxml есть sanitizer
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[19:40:29] bobry: и выдиралка текста тоже есть
[19:40:34] bobry: так шо не надо ничего писать :)
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[19:41:56] piranha: :)
[19:41:59] piranha: ну ладно
[19:42:08] piranha: мишок читает твиттер, но в жаблере не сидит
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[19:43:26] Tony: piranha, bzr clone --no-tree так емнип
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[19:43:50] piranha: --no-tree Create a branch without a working-tree.

[19:43:55] piranha: это -U в hg clone
[19:44:01] piranha: историю всю выкачает всë равно
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[19:46:28] Tony: бля. значит не то. это 2 года назад было. я подзабыл уже. :(
[19:46:30] bobry: http://www.boingboing.net/2011/02/04/spoof-of-classic-ore.html
[19:46:40] Tony: если интересно завтра помучаю старого тимлида на этот счет.
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[19:50:24] piranha: Tony: интересно, если кто другой не скажет
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[19:52:05] deepwalker: спросите трольчега
[19:52:23] bobry: он слишком толст
[19:52:27] bobry: даже толще севенова
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[19:53:10] deepwalker: да он базар пользует чисто чтобы пободаться со всеми!
[19:53:46] bobry: «Ведь в bazaar, в отличии от, директория является первоклассным объектом, и отслеживается так же, как и файл.»
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[19:53:54] bobry: вот это что значит — кто мне объяснит?
[19:53:58] piranha: deepwalker: комментировать не хочу
[19:53:59] bobry: для директорий есть дифы?
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[19:54:12] piranha: bobry: не, но если ты сделаешь bzr add dir, то она добавится, даже если пустая
[19:54:19] bobry: бонус?
[19:54:32] deepwalker: bobry, иногда надо
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[19:54:41] piranha: иногда срут кирпичами, что нельзя добавить пустую
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[19:54:51] piranha: deepwalker: я ни разу не испытал необходимости, честно говоря
[19:55:01] piranha: даже файлы .noempty не юзал %)
[19:55:08] piranha: можешь привести пример?
[19:55:44] deepwalker: та ну хз, например var/log
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[19:56:32] deepwalker: так не выдумывается что-то : )
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[19:57:32] piranha: deepwalker: ну вот да
[19:57:48] piranha: все сразу обычно фукают, но реальных юзкейсов - "мне для билда надо!"
[19:57:54] piranha: ну так при билде и создавай
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[19:58:01] piranha: ты исходники хранишь или билд?
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[19:58:53] deepwalker: я как то не парился )
[19:59:17] piranha: ну, многие
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[20:01:08] deepwalker: fabric пусть создает
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[20:01:25] deepwalker: ну по любому же есть процедура выката
[20:01:47] piranha: ну да
[20:01:50] piranha: а если нет, то ссзб
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[20:03:11] deepwalker: меня в бзр беспокоит больше возможный факап, есть ощущение, что он какой-то сляпанный
[20:03:35] deepwalker: ну по отзывам, появляется ощущение, что там что-то не то в головах
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[20:03:55] deepwalker: если есть версии репок, то могут быть и косяки
[20:04:04] piranha: меня в бзр беспокоит фгм авторов
[20:04:12] piranha: там кода фактически как в гите
[20:04:14] piranha: только на питоне
[20:04:19] piranha: о чëм это нам говорит?
[20:04:30] piranha: о том, что нужно применить обсценную лексику
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[20:06:08] deepwalker: я тут кстати примерчик форм набросал https://github.com/Deepwalker/Procrustes/tree/master/sample
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[20:06:24] piranha: щас попробую заценить
[20:06:29] piranha: я видел, как ты говорил, но времени не было
[20:06:47] bobry: почему с большой буквы кстати?
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[20:07:01] deepwalker: м, репка просто так называется
[20:07:28] deepwalker: черт, а чего я её так назвал то : )
[20:07:30] piranha: from procrustes.forms import forms

[20:07:33] piranha: как-то неприятно
[20:07:34] piranha: %)
[20:07:52] piranha: ну да такое
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[20:08:48] deepwalker: кстати да
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[20:09:25] piranha: http://twitter.com/mishok13/status/33950226050060288
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[20:10:39] deepwalker: да с этими именами, все время муть: (
[20:10:52] piranha: :)
[20:11:01] piranha: only 2 hard problems, помнишь?
[20:11:05] bobry: кстати почему ordereddict не из PyPi
[20:11:06] piranha: дизайн апи - это то же именование
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[20:11:41] deepwalker: действительно, почему, сейчас выкину
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[20:12:01] bobry: а еще мне не нравится .format() — сразу же >= 2.6
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[20:13:01] deepwalker: а мне не нравится думать о < 2.6
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[20:13:24] bobry: суровая реальность
[20:13:28] deepwalker: да ну
[20:13:32] bobry: в дебиане 2.5?
[20:13:35] deepwalker: это же новая совершенно либа
[20:13:48] bobry: /me поддерживает пару скриптов для 2.4 — вот это совсем уж не приятно
[20:13:49] deepwalker: а дебиан я за это сурово ннавижу
[20:13:53] bobry: :)
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[20:14:10] piranha: дебиан новый вышел же!
[20:14:11] bobry: мне нравится что у вас нет *Field, forms.String в не forms.StringField
[20:14:12] piranha: там теперь 2.6!
[20:14:15] deepwalker: главное это их же блин система, поддержки нескольких версий питона одновременно
[20:14:16] piranha: ААААААЕЕЕЕЕ
[20:14:21] piranha: bobry: да, филд кумарит
[20:14:33] bobry: piranha, ну когда все до него все обновятся — это ж пару лет надо
[20:14:34] piranha: ах блин, не вышел еще
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[20:14:49] deepwalker: bobry, а я тебе скажу, почему там нету field : )
[20:14:53] bobry: ну?
[20:14:55] deepwalker: потому что там нету form
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[20:14:57] piranha: завтра выйдет
[20:14:58] deepwalker: From
[20:15:00] e.s.burdin: Вопрос по методу save() модели.
Для записи можно ли писать в конце просто "super(Base, self).save()" или надо "return super(Base, self).save()"?
У меня работает и так и так
[20:15:00] bobry: ну да
[20:15:12] deepwalker: там все однорангово
[20:15:27] deepwalker: ты точно также можешь форму сделать из Tuple
[20:15:33] deepwalker: или List
[20:15:34] bobry: e.s.burdin, если в ModelForm то надо return, если просто Form то можно вообще без super
[20:15:48] bobry: deepwalker, а еще — почему у виджета "error"?
[20:15:53] bobry: нескольких ошибок быть не может?
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[20:16:16] deepwalker: ну у меня лично несколько не выходит
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[20:16:28] deepwalker: потому что стандартно как? идет проверка, потом raise
[20:16:35] deepwalker: ты можешь выкинуть несколько raise?
[20:16:59] bobry: хм. ну да — ты прав
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[20:17:08] deepwalker: сам удивлен : )
[20:17:11] bobry: :D
[20:17:19] e.s.burdin: bobry, в определении модели, в models.py
[20:17:37] bobry: e.s.burdin, пардон — не правильно прочитал
[20:17:50] deepwalker: но вообще косяков там, я уверен, предостаточно
[20:17:57] bobry: у меня щас негде посмотреть, но по моему .save() там ничего не возвращает
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[20:18:02] bobry: т.е. можно и без return
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[20:18:14] e.s.burdin: ясно, спасибо
[20:18:45] deepwalker: как вот импорт исправить... надо как-то по другому forms.py тогда назвать, а то непонятки
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[20:19:14] bobry: deepwalker, а почему не from procrustes import forms?
[20:19:24] bobry: аа...
[20:19:25] bobry: понял
[20:19:34] bobry: назови widgets :)
[20:19:36] deepwalker: нуу, я ж говорю, да, косяк : )
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[20:19:47] bobry: хотя это наполовину правда буит
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[20:20:01] deepwalker: нелогично : ) потому же еще будут widgets отдельные, я думаю
[20:20:43] bobry: ммм, я уже кому то сегодня предлагал custom module type :) не хочешь?
[20:20:51] bobry: и вынести register() в него
[20:21:15] bobry: и __getattr__ тоже соответственно
[20:21:16] deepwalker: а что это?
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[20:21:42] bobry: ну оборачивать модуль в sys.modules в свой класс
[20:21:46] bobry: как werkzeug делает
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[20:22:05] deepwalker: ох шит, я не в курсе
[20:22:06] bobry: /me щас подумал — а так ли он делает :)
[20:22:33] bobry: все таки так, см werkzeug/__init__.py
[20:22:40] deepwalker: такой суровой магии я еще не чуял, но в любом случае, я думаю, лучше вынести отдельно просто
[20:22:42] bobry: но тут армин на днях писал шо они это выпиливают
[20:22:50] bobry: мол сами жалеют что по этому пути пошли
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[20:23:17] deepwalker: а ты мне его предлагаешь?? когда сам сант армин его предал анафеме?? : )
[20:23:26] bobry: :))
[20:23:38] bobry: ну я же предлагаю __как вариант__
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[20:24:06] bobry: к тому же в werkzeug он во всю работает
[20:24:11] deepwalker: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/voluptuous/0.3.3
[20:24:16] deepwalker: вот еще нашел
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[20:24:42] deepwalker: но мне кажется, оно конечно хорошо звучит, но вы итоге будет шит
[20:24:51] bobry: required('q')
[20:24:55] bobry: вот это отвратительно
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[20:25:19] bobry: а правая часть в Schema очень даже ничего выглядит
[20:25:46] deepwalker: кстати непонятно, почему required не вынесли в правую
[20:25:54] bobry: а как?
[20:26:01] bobry: тогда надо было бы кастомные типы делать
[20:26:04] bobry: а там же int, str
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[20:26:17] deepwalker: да просто один из вариантов None
[20:26:22] deepwalker: и всех делов
[20:26:35] deepwalker: хм
[20:26:46] deepwalker: черт, это чтобы не был required : )
[20:26:53] deepwalker: но еще логичнее даже
[20:26:59] bobry: логичнее?
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[20:27:07] bobry: если ты говоришь "foo": None?
[20:27:13] deepwalker: да не
[20:27:22] deepwalker: 'foo': (int, None)
[20:27:24] bobry: мне не понятно можно ли там сделать [int]
[20:27:29] deepwalker: то есть или число, или нифига
[20:27:33] deepwalker: можно
[20:27:51] bobry: Each element in the schema list is compared to each value in the input data.
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[20:28:08] bobry: под [int] я имею ввиду [1], [1,2,3] etc
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[20:28:25] deepwalker: именно
[20:28:28] deepwalker: посмотри пример
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[20:29:08] bobry: required(key) все таки ересь, потому что создается впечатление что именно ключ required
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[20:30:05] deepwalker: по описаниям можно как у меня, сделать все что хочешь. Но по-моему нету моего tuple
[20:30:23] bobry: какой пример то смотреть?
[20:30:25] bobry: не вижу что то
[20:30:42] bobry: all(int)?
[20:30:57] deepwalker: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/voluptuous/0.3.3#id5
[20:31:22] deepwalker: короче, внутри списка ты перечисляешь все типа, которые в нем могут быть
[20:31:41] deepwalker: а ты попутал именно с кортежем из ФП
[20:32:00] bobry: да, я именно на него и подумал
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[20:32:14] bobry: что мы явно привязываем каждый тип к позиции
[20:32:15] deepwalker: ага, я так и понял, ну вот там его нету, как я понимаю
[20:32:25] deepwalker: у меня есть : )
[20:32:32] bobry: kewl :)
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[20:33:09] deepwalker: вообще выглядит прикольно, all, функции, что-то в этом есть
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[20:34:31] bobry: только вот required() меня бесит
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[20:34:46] bobry: native types это всегда приятно, никакой магии
[20:34:59] bobry: у mongokit подобный подход
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[20:35:18] bobry: в разы лучше ThisAndThatField(SomeField) у mongoengine
[20:35:41] deepwalker: http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/news/2010.html
[20:36:26] deepwalker: я вот думаю, было прикольно, все короче 20 лет пилили пилили линукс, а потом хоп, и выходит hurd, в белом!
[20:36:43] deepwalker: и линукс в топку
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[20:37:38] deepwalker: драйвера они уже от линукса заюзали
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[20:38:23] bobry: ну это надо быть очень фанатичным
[20:38:26] piranha: Arne Babenhauserheide - этот чувак в хг контрибьютил
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[20:38:37] bobry: So far, about 68% of all Debian packages are also available for Debian GNU/Hurd.
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[20:38:47] bobry: вот это уже серьезно
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[20:42:07] deepwalker: о, новый хаус на трекере
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[20:42:53] piranha: даун хаус - единственный тру хаус
[20:42:59] deepwalker: зацените формы : ) чтобы я знал, стоит дальше в этом направлении возиться, или нафиг
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[20:43:21] piranha: ага, я постараюсь, отвлекают и спать хочется 0
[20:43:22] piranha: )))
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[20:44:03] deepwalker: ох, ну ваще, идиот в авбтобусе с рогожиным
[20:44:08] deepwalker: и нормально?
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[20:45:03] piranha: ну, меня оно дико прëт
[20:45:07] piranha: тащусь по шуткам оттуда
[20:45:20] piranha: один из любимых фильмов, я его раз 10-15 видел, наверное %)
[20:45:43] deepwalker: хм, пойду пошукаю на трекере
[20:46:37] piranha: нужно учитывать, конечно, что специфический немного, и особо динамики нет, просто ржачно всë )
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[20:49:32] cutwater: цитата из соседней конфы

>> например, в моём наборе полезной кусятины есть функция sort_keyed(list,func) - делает второй список из значений первого и вычисленной от них func(), сортирует, потом возвращает значения из первого списка уже отсортированными
не вижу никаких препятствий написать list_uniq_func(list,func)
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[20:50:39] deepwalker: ничего, вчера меня жена заставила посмотреть "прекрасное зеленое", теперь моя очередь : )
[20:50:45] piranha: шо это за его набор полезной кусятины?
[20:50:52] piranha: deepwalker: ааа, даун хауз - это отличная мстя
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[20:51:09] piranha: впрочем, моему папе понравилось, маме вроде бы более-менее, бабушке понравилось
[20:51:25] piranha: а надо сказать, это хардкорный момент, потому что она учитель русского языка в школе была %)
[20:51:51] deepwalker: :)
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[20:56:13] cutwater: piranha: да тут просто человек спрашивал

>>> хм.. есть список объектов, как сделать unique на этот список по определённым полям этих объектов?
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[20:57:16] deepwalker: ох тыж
[20:57:26] cutwater: охдаж
[20:57:33] deepwalker: dict
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[20:58:17] cutwater: deepwalker: э... при чем здесь?
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[20:58:30] deepwalker: ну unique
[20:58:35] cutwater: человек хочет видимо по набору полей отфильтровать уникальные записи.
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[20:58:37] deepwalker: ключи они unique
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[21:00:59] deepwalker: dict( ((obj.unique_key1, obj.unique_key2), obj) for obj in list_of_objs )
[21:01:35] deepwalker: ну и values()
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[21:05:34] cutwater: ну да действительно
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[21:11:26] deepwalker: ну не факт. что лучше решене
[21:11:30] deepwalker: но работает : )
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[21:18:23] bobry: никто не слушал floss weekly с чуваками из pylons?
[21:18:37] piranha: no
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[21:18:59] bobry: там ведущий какие то странные вещи про django вещает, мол django forces you to use an sql database
[21:19:01] bobry: lolwoot?
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[21:19:26] piranha: лол
[21:19:32] piranha: ну это гапертон про хг и гит
[21:19:37] bobry: ну т.е. конечно, если ты хошь апы из contrib то придется юзать стандартный orm
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[21:23:38] deepwalker: ну не знаю, по мне так джанго без своего орма и батареек нафиг вообще нужна?
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[21:23:57] deepwalker: что там остается тогда ценного?
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[21:25:22] piranha: то, шо всë собрано в куче
[21:25:40] piranha: формы, темплейты, етц, уже всë вместе и все это знают
[21:25:42] piranha: в этом и тема
[21:25:57] piranha: мы вот вместо джанговского орма юзаем алхимию, но всë остальное - джанга :(
[21:26:14] piranha: опять же, даже если б мы джанговый орм юзали, никакого шанса заюзать батарейки не было бы
[21:26:21] piranha: они тупо все не нужны в проектах, которые не CMS
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[21:27:44] deepwalker: ну если еще и жинжу заюзать
[21:27:51] deepwalker: там тоже особо от джанги учить нечего
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[21:28:24] deepwalker: формы - ну уже .save() не сделаешь
[21:28:33] deepwalker: если вы конечно модельформу не переписали
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[21:29:41] bobry: "it's trivial to write a web framework in Python, it's not trivial to write the documentation" :D
[21:29:46] bobry: в точку!
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[21:29:56] deepwalker: супер!
[21:30:15] bobry: в принципе можно web framework можно поменять на что угодно
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[21:32:57] piranha: deepwalker: переписали
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[21:33:13] piranha: у нас есть SAModelForm, BetterForm, BetterSAModelForm и еще куча какого-то дерьма
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[21:34:11] e.s.burdin: приложение django-taggit
Установил, все работает. Но... Нужно, чтобы первые буквы всех тагов были большие.
Унаследовал Tag, переопределил save(). Но есть такой глюк....
Код здесь http://dumpz.org/31528/
Допустим, уже есть таг с name="Май" и slug="may", теперь если добавляем запись в BlogPost с tags="май", то в таблице tag появляется еще одна запись с name="Май" и slug="may-1".
Как побороть это? Может кто сталкивался...
[21:34:13] bobry: piranha, open source it
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[21:34:47] bobry: capitalize?
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[21:34:53] bobry: O_O
[21:35:09] piranha: bobry: шутниг
[21:35:10] bobry: это какой то новый метод? вроде раньше был upper()
[21:35:12] piranha: там говнокодец
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[21:35:23] piranha: upper и capitalize - разные вещи
[21:35:31] bobry: хммммм
[21:35:41] bobry: серьезно, я не знал шо он есть
[21:35:52] e.s.burdin: я там и делаю капитализе
[21:36:18] bobry: дык он .title() же назывался не?
[21:36:27] bobry: все, понял разницу
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[21:38:07] bobry: e.s.burdin, в оригинальной модели разве нет unique условия на slug / name
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[21:39:42] bobry: кстате давно это SF на TG? я что то пропустил?
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[21:40:00] e.s.burdin: на slug есть, на name - нет
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[21:40:26] deepwalker: SF - SourceForge?
[21:40:30] bobry: ага
[21:40:45] bobry: о, talk даже есть с последнего pycon'a
[21:41:11] bobry: e.s.burdin, ну ничего удивительного тогда
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[21:42:35] e.s.burdin: bobry, А как тогда сделать? чтобы таги тока с большой буквы были и не плодились?
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[21:43:41] bobry: e.s.burdin, может тебе проще в шаблоне их рисовать с большой буквы?
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[21:45:34] deepwalker: у джанги мне видится проблема, что по сути есть много апп, но чтобы какие-то из них можно было использовать, это еденицы
[21:46:13] deepwalker: и нет инициализации аппы, это проблема, мне кажется
[21:46:33] e.s.burdin: да, можно так, наверное, порешать... но просто интересно, почему тут так. т.е. получается сначала ведется поиск по слову с маленькой буквы, не находит, создается новый таг, потом при записи слуга - видит, что уже такой есть и добавляет к слугу номер, потом при записи капитализируется name и получаем "двойник"
[21:46:44] bobry: чееерт, вот это ересь слайды то http://us.pycon.org/media/2010/talkdata/PyCon2010/110/pycon_2010.pdf
[21:46:57] deepwalker: полноценному приложению надо как-то больше, чем просто urls.py и models.py
[21:46:59] bobry: e.s.burdin, никакого поиска нет — на name не стоит unique
[21:47:14] bobry: deepwalker, инциализация?
[21:47:23] bobry: что мешает засунуть все что нужно в __init__?
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[21:47:48] deepwalker: и как и когда он будет вызван?
[21:47:54] deepwalker: что можно сделать оттуда?
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[21:48:15] deepwalker: BTW, все, у чего нет models.pt, джанга не считает приложением
[21:48:28] bobry: вызыван он будет при обработке INSTALLED_APPS очевидно
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[21:48:35] bobry: да, я знаю
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[21:49:15] bobry: а что нельзя сделать из __init__?
[21:49:16] deepwalker: мне просто сварга в этом отношении близка - есть init
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[21:49:53] deepwalker: из инит можно настройки добавить дефолтные
[21:49:58] deepwalker: можно мидлварь повесить
[21:50:09] deepwalker: не надо писать, апа сама повесит свою мидлварь
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[21:50:48] deepwalker: апа может повлиять на env_class, который класс глобального env из werkzeug
[21:51:08] bobry: да, мне не очень нравится этот джанго подход
[21:51:29] bobry: когда нужно явно указывать в settings строчку с middlware / context processor w\e
[21:51:39] bobry: вместо того чтобы регистрировать его из аппа
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[21:52:45] bobry: мне вот интересно, SF выбрала TG, а TG теперь влился в Pylons => Pyramid
[21:52:53] bobry: и шо делать :)
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[21:57:11] deepwalker: забить на SF как на мамонта? : )
[21:57:16] deepwalker: они ж вымерли
[21:57:29] deepwalker: ресурс дико неудобный и невнятный
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[21:57:50] bobry: ну да, просто как то не очень дальновидно
[21:57:56] bobry: с их стороны
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[22:02:07] deepwalker: да он ж не знали, шо репозе всех захавает
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[22:02:45] bobry: люблю чуваков который issues на githube закрывают просто так
[22:02:51] bobry: даже не отписываясь
[22:02:55] bobry: *support ftw*
[22:03:05] deepwalker: support? : )
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[22:03:18] bobry: ну йома — я баг например нашел, отписал баг репорт
[22:03:25] bobry: а потом вижу что issue просто закрыли и все
[22:03:29] bobry: ни коммитов / нефига
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[22:03:41] bobry: пасаны не одобряют
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[22:03:48] deepwalker: куды ж мне forms.py то двинуть...
[22:04:22] deepwalker: напиши им, что они бракоделы : )
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[22:04:35] bobry: не, я просто перестал пользоваться их либой :)
[22:04:49] deepwalker: а которой?
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[22:04:54] bobry: mongoose
[22:05:08] bobry: правда для server side js вариантов немного
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[22:05:42] bobry: https://github.com/LearnBoost/mongoose
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[22:37:06] deepwalker: передвинул пока в pforms.py, уродски как-то, но главное api дальнейшее все равно не трогает
[22:37:24] deepwalker: можно двигать еще как угодно
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[22:41:12] deepwalker: def _easteregg(app): in werkzeug кстати есть
[22:41:31] deepwalker: gyver = '\n'.join...
[22:41:33] deepwalker: ух
[22:42:37] bobry: pforms, бе
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[22:42:49] deepwalker: предлагай : )
[22:43:01] bobry: если бы у меня был хороший вариант я бы давно предложил :)
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[22:44:31] deepwalker: Forms
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[22:44:41] deepwalker: правда хз как оно в винде : )
[22:44:52] deepwalker: да нет хорошего, так навскидку
[22:44:53] bobry: pep8: OBEY!
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[22:45:20] bobry: все растет из за того что у тебя внутри модуля есть этот объект который нужно импортить
[22:45:28] bobry: если бы достаточно было импортить модуль .. м
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[22:45:40] deepwalker: не, ну
[22:45:53] deepwalker: у меня просто классы же на лету создаются
[22:46:01] deepwalker: как иначе, кто-то же должен их делать
[22:46:37] bobry: create_field?
[22:46:59] deepwalker: ага
[22:47:41] deepwalker: но вот чтобы не писать create_field(forms.String, args, kwargs), есть магия
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[22:48:01] deepwalker: хотя это не сильное колдунство
[22:48:11] deepwalker: так, это не implements из зопы
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[22:48:30] bobry: даа, я читал-чита код implements так и не понял до конца как оно работает
[22:48:45] bobry: а почему бы тебе в register не вешать сразу атрибут?
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[22:48:53] deepwalker: то есть?
[22:49:30] bobry: да не — фигня
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[22:50:01] deepwalker: а все тупо из-за того, что from p.forms import forms некрасиво :-D
[22:50:13] deepwalker: питонисты как они есть, че
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[22:50:45] deepwalker: кстати в гайвере картинка
[22:51:04] bobry: все таки не нравится мне что Forms это объект
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[22:51:23] bobry: из за него все проблемы
[22:51:43] deepwalker: а, реестр?
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[22:52:16] bobry: я правильно понимаю шо все ради того чтобы можно было динамически навешивать свои типы?
[22:52:45] deepwalker: да нет
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[22:52:50] bobry: а зачем тогда?
[22:52:57] bobry: в смысле зачем вообще реестр
[22:53:04] deepwalker: просто он же при обращении к аттрибуту возвращает partial щиъект
[22:53:09] deepwalker: объект
[22:53:17] bobry: это я видел, шобы это реализовать не надо явного register
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[22:53:20] deepwalker: который при () отдаст класс
[22:53:30] deepwalker: а как же?
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[22:54:09] bobry: inspect.getmodule(self).<type> ?
[22:54:39] deepwalker: а чужие поля?
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[22:54:55] deepwalker: из других модулей
[22:54:56] bobry: ну дык я и спрашивал — чужие поля планируются, а ты сказал нет :)
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[22:55:12] deepwalker: я сказал, что не ради этого : )
[22:55:19] bobry: а, ну выходит что и ради этого тоже
[22:55:22] deepwalker: ну да
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[22:55:36] deepwalker: а как без чужих? конечно надо
[22:55:47] bobry: ох прямо руки чешутся сделать как в werkzeug :)
[22:56:08] deepwalker: найди там _easteregg
[22:56:30] bobry: base64 которое?
[22:57:00] deepwalker: http://takashi-matsuo.blogspot.com/2009/03/werkzeug-easteregg.html
[22:57:02] deepwalker: ага
[22:57:45] bobry: может тебе тоже сделать модуль _internal?
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[22:58:16] deepwalker: forms
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[22:58:20] deepwalker: тю
[22:58:22] deepwalker: _forms
[22:58:33] bobry: ну да, это была первая мысль
[22:58:36] bobry: но я ее отмел :)
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[22:58:55] bobry: 150 строчек же всего
[22:58:59] deepwalker: вообще из этого модуля простым смертным можно и нужно импортировать
[22:59:10] bobry: шобы сабклассить?
[22:59:12] deepwalker: Mixin-ы например
[22:59:14] deepwalker: ага
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[23:06:00] deepwalker: чей то не выходит выковырять этот egg
[23:06:25] deepwalker: ааа
[23:06:27] bobry: шо шо? easter?
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[23:07:57] deepwalker: http://paste.in.ua/1702/
[23:08:07] deepwalker: http://127.0.0.1:8000/?macgybarchakku
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[23:11:03] deepwalker: кстати там почему то ошибки O_o
[23:11:06] bobry: у меня тег не закрыт
[23:11:13] deepwalker: тег title не закрыт, да
[23:11:20] deepwalker: я поправил, картинка хорошая
[23:11:21] bobry: а, ну это шобы egg был видимо
[23:11:24] bobry: шобы тока в коде все осталось
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[23:13:56] deepwalker: потвиттил, тайна раскрыта
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[23:14:43] bobry: о нет !
[23:14:45] deepwalker: /me видит как толпы пехапестов срочно освоили питон, нашли werkzeug, и мучают всех вокруг тупыми вопросами в надежде узреть ЭТО
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[23:14:54] piranha: ггг крутота
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[23:15:13] bobry: надо было туда еще проверок наворочать
[23:15:21] bobry: метод какой нить взять эзотерический
[23:15:22] deepwalker: почему все таки теги незакрыты
[23:15:23] bobry: типа OPTIONS
[23:15:33] bobry: я почти уверен шо чтобы не рендерилось
[23:15:37] deepwalker: гыг : )
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[23:15:55] piranha: хм
[23:15:59] piranha: там хватает тайтл закрыть
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[23:16:13] deepwalker: про метод это сильно, но ты не сумеешь его из брайзера послать же
[23:16:30] deepwalker: а стили как бы для браузера
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[23:16:40] bobry: кстати странно что они там
[23:16:46] bobry: учитывая что тегов нет
[23:16:53] bobry: настоящие пацаны пользуют curl :)
[23:17:01] bobry: он умеет OPTIONS и все шо хошь
[23:17:05] deepwalker: а люсиду ты как рендерить будешь? : )
[23:17:15] deepwalker: хотя чего это я
[23:17:26] deepwalker: > 1.html && browser 1.html
[23:17:29] bobry: ничего же не рендерится :)
[23:17:31] bobry: ну или так
[23:17:34] bobry: who cares :)
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[23:18:00] deepwalker: я вообще истериги для того, чтобы их нашли
[23:18:04] deepwalker: я так думаю
[23:18:07] deepwalker: и все радовались
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[23:18:11] deepwalker: ой какие мы умные
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[23:20:39] deepwalker: bobry, а что за io?
[23:20:42] deepwalker: чем он крут?
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[23:20:49] bobry: да ничем особо
[23:20:58] bobry: было увлечение прошлой весной
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[23:21:03] bobry: smalltalkish язык
[23:21:16] deepwalker: /me серы йи не видел смалталка
[23:21:25] bobry: на поиграться самое оно, но как только начинаешь что то делать — баги лезут один за другим
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[23:21:42] deepwalker: а, это вот обидно, да. А идея крута?
[23:21:58] bobry: http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/crazydev/50873/
[23:22:09] bobry: ну он красивый — тут не поспоришь
[23:22:33] bobry: там цикл статей есть на хабре если интересно
[23:22:50] bobry: io как раз нужен редизайн stdlib, если есть силы и желание
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[23:24:30] bobry: киллер пример сигнлтон
[23:24:31] bobry: Foo := Object clone
Foo clone := Foo
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[23:26:06] bobry: deepwalker, кстате, гитхаб умеет rename — так что можешь сделать procrustes с маленькой
[23:26:18] piranha: io симпатичный, но ему пора в отпуск
[23:26:24] piranha: магпай жжод
[23:26:24] deepwalker: вай?
[23:26:27] piranha: и атомо жжод
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[23:26:39] piranha: ну, много переделывать + он очень медленный и это не лечится
[23:26:49] piranha: просто некак, сильно хитрые идеи
[23:27:05] bobry: piranha, да там не просто переделывать много — там нахер все надо переписывать с нуля
[23:27:22] deepwalker: переименовал
[23:27:25] bobry: я уж молчу про то что некоторые баги в core уже больше года
[23:27:52] bobry: и всем пох, причем я точно знаю какой комит надо убить шобы бага нистало и не раз об этом писал — и всем все равно пох :)
[23:27:57] bobry: вывод — пох на io
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[23:28:12] piranha: хех
[23:28:16] piranha: ога
[23:28:22] piranha: магпай лучше пили, если желание есть
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[23:28:32] bobry: он жава based?
[23:28:40] bobry: у меня нелюбовь к языкам на jvm
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[23:29:01] bobry: кстати один чувак взял и запили io на jvm и назвал это Ioke
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[23:30:14] deepwalker: кстати помимо jvm и .net есть подобные платформы?
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[23:31:05] piranha: bobry: ioke другой, и да, магпай на jvm, у меня тоже нелюбовь, но он такой охренительный
[23:31:06] bobry: дык никто не мешает запилить транслятор чего угодно в python bytecode например
[23:31:07] piranha: мимими просто
[23:31:13] piranha: deepwalker: нет, больше нет
[23:31:21] piranha: еще parrot стремится, но уже скока лет
[23:31:32] piranha: llvm для динамических языков не катит
[23:31:37] piranha: ах да, pypy тоже ведь
[23:31:45] piranha: фреймворк для написания динамических языков
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[23:34:14] deepwalker: jvm просто непонятен в свет оракла
[23:34:17] bobry: хмм, надо глянуть будет
[23:34:26] bobry: deepwalker, дык есть же opendjk
[23:34:32] deepwalker: а патенты?
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[23:34:56] piranha: bobry: у него есть даже паттерн матчинг
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[23:35:24] bobry: оооооо... вот это уже заманчиво
[23:35:25] piranha: ну да я тут вчера уже радовался
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[23:35:49] piranha: >> (fn (a: x, b: y) print(y ~ " " ~ x))(b: "test", a: "nax")
test nax

[23:35:53] piranha: вот, например
[23:35:55] piranha: да и ваще
[23:35:59] piranha: http://magpie.stuffwithstuff.com/
[23:36:04] bobry: уже, ага
[23:36:07] piranha: открываешь там сверху меню и идëшь по пунктам, они там короткие
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[23:39:48] bobry: hyphens это круто
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[23:40:01] bobry: вот чего мне не хватает иногда в питоне
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[23:40:16] bobry: жалко нельзя method? как в руби
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[23:40:52] deepwalker: укусил бы прям через монитор : )
[23:40:55] deepwalker: за ?
[23:41:10] bobry: почему?
[23:41:19] deepwalker: да ну нафиг, мусор на хфосте
[23:41:24] bobry: для методов которые возвращают true-false самое оно
[23:41:29] bobry: вместо is_something
[23:41:30] deepwalker: там же еще и method= есть
[23:41:31] bobry: something?
[23:41:41] bobry: method= это setter же, не?
[23:41:44] piranha: bobry: можно
[23:41:52] piranha: можно вопросики
[23:41:58] bobry: а в доке чета нету их
[23:42:07] bobry: или просто в примере нет
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[23:43:07] piranha: >> def even? (a) a % 2 == 0
= object
>> even?(2)
= true

[23:43:12] piranha: в примере нету
[23:43:15] piranha: а деши ваще жгут
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[23:43:25] piranha: deepwalker: это ты просто не привык, мне кажется, что это просто супер
[23:43:31] bobry: мне тоже :)
[23:43:39] piranha: мне еще очень нравится идея с !, типа методы с ! на конце изменяют твой объект
[23:43:43] bobry: лана, всем night night \o
[23:43:47] bobry: ну тоже ruby-way
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[23:44:10] piranha: типа list.sort() - возвращает сортированный объект, а list.sort!() - сортирует на месте
[23:44:17] piranha: bobry: ну да, я про руби
[23:44:30] deepwalker: я просто считаю, что каждый значок на конце метода снижает читабельность
[23:44:37] deepwalker: сам посмотри на свои примеры
[23:44:46] deepwalker: они уже сразу хуже воспринимаются
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[23:44:56] deepwalker: это перловка! : )
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[23:44:59] piranha: ну в руби децл проще, там нет скобочек
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[23:45:12] piranha: но 2.even? - ничуть не хуже, чем 2.is_even
[23:45:29] piranha: form.valid? куда лучше, чем form.is_valid
[23:45:30] deepwalker: может быть, надо переварить
[23:45:42] piranha: и скобки тут не нужны, это ж проперти может быть
[23:45:48] deepwalker: я так сразу поменять свою косность не готов : )
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[23:46:15] piranha: deepwalker: понимаю
[23:46:24] piranha: но этивей, меня всë это меньше беспокоит, чем минус
[23:46:34] piranha: методы-без-подчëркиваний – моя-мечта
[23:46:35] piranha: )
[23:46:49] deepwalker: уж сразу методы без подчеркиваний
[23:46:56] deepwalker: : )
[23:47:05] piranha: тут шото страшное надо выдумывать
[23:47:11] deepwalker: ага
[23:47:48] deepwalker: хотя если например так - сумма взяток = число коррупционеров * средняя сумма взятки
[23:47:59] deepwalker: то тут парсить нефиг нафиг
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[23:48:21] deepwalker: разделено значками
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[23:48:59] piranha: хыхы
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[23:49:28] piranha: if not can_edit(paste) and not paste.check_cookie(env.cookies, 'read'):

[23:49:28] deepwalker: блин, пример адский : )
[23:49:31] piranha: а?
[23:49:36] gigimon: ух ты, а что вы такое интеренсое обсуждаете? :)

[23:49:41] deepwalker: мой, коррупция понимаешь
[23:49:54] piranha: if not paste is editable and not paste has valid cookie(env cookies, 'read')
[23:49:56] piranha: так что ли?
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[23:49:58] piranha: попробуй распарси
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[23:50:01] piranha: :(
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[23:50:15] deepwalker: мде
[23:50:26] piranha: утож
[23:50:34] deepwalker: да я сам не распарщу
[23:50:39] deepwalker: без поллитры
[23:50:40] piranha: if not can-edit(paste) and not paste.check-cookie(env.cookies, 'read')
[23:50:42] piranha: йад
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[23:51:04] deepwalker: а в подчеркивании тебя что бесит?
[23:51:09] deepwalker: шифт?
[23:51:12] piranha: ага
[23:51:17] piranha: if not paste.editable? and not paste.check-cookie(env.cookies, 'read')
[23:51:17] deepwalker: ну дык эта
[23:51:28] deepwalker: отредактируй раскладку )
[23:51:40] piranha: can-edit кстати мудацкий, он внутри env.user юзает, глобальный
[23:51:43] piranha: фейл
[23:51:44] piranha: :(
[23:51:50] piranha: хехе, не хачю :)
[23:52:07] deepwalker: изобрести новый язык конечно проще :-P
[23:52:49] piranha: это не единственный плюс
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[23:53:01] piranha: это один из и показывает, что у чувака мысли в голове похожи на мои
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[23:53:09] piranha: deepwalker: зато никакой поц не сможет написать a=b-c
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[23:53:26] piranha: тут это будет автоматическим фейлом, эпик вин в дизайне!
[23:53:33] deepwalker: а как?
[23:53:45] deepwalker: почему не выйдет?
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[23:54:04] deepwalker: ааа
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[23:54:16] piranha: хехехе
[23:54:18] piranha: a = b - c
[23:54:30] piranha: потому что минус - это просто инфиксное выражение
[23:54:34] piranha: а не спецкейс!
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[23:55:01] piranha: http://magpie.stuffwithstuff.com/expressions/operators.html
[23:55:05] piranha: вот еще ок темка
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[23:55:19] piranha: http://magpie.stuffwithstuff.com/expressions/blocks.html
[23:55:23] piranha: тоже хорошая идея имхо
[23:55:37] piranha: http://magpie.stuffwithstuff.com/objects/quotations.html
[23:55:43] piranha: а это вообще дикий эпик вин
[23:55:46] piranha: deepwalker: макросы!
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