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[08:55:55] : piranha установил(а) тему: python.su | Сначала поищи ответ на docs.python.org | Теперь поищи в google.com | Код постить в dumpz.org | Хочешь задать вопрос - просто *задай* его! | Правила написания хорошего кода: http://➡.ws/pep8 | Логи: http://➡.ws/pu
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[09:29:21] Magister Yoda: Привет всем! как в шаблоне проверить пустой ли список? {% if t == [] %} ругается
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[09:30:27] Magister Yoda: not - уже ответили
[09:30:33] _lorien: {% if not %}
[09:30:43] _lorien: ёбаные лаги :)
[09:31:43] Magister Yoda: бывает
[09:31:46] webninja: есть профессионалы по jinja2
[09:32:04] webninja: там можно в цикле слайс сделать например так for post in posts[:5]?
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[09:35:33] Magister Yoda: а ты передай не posts, а posts[:5]
[09:37:04] _lorien: в джанге даже так можно, есть фильтр slice
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[09:46:53] webninja: я не могу ниче передать. это статика
[09:47:02] webninja: могу шаблон только писать. рендерит cyrax
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[09:49:13] webninja: бля статика ваще тема
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[09:49:24] webninja: комменты можно от disqus поставить )
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[09:51:01] webninja: получается много чего на клиента перекидывается яваскрипт разный.
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[10:03:48] wiz: а если зарегаться в жежешечке, то и сервер перекидывается q:
[10:03:49] slav0nic: под джангу ничё нет получше django-voting? а то груз велосипедить
[10:04:21] _lorien: я бы навелосипедничал :)
[10:04:26] webninja: жжшечка чето вызывает у меня инстинктивное отвращение
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[10:05:10] slav0nic: _lorien, в тебе-то я какраз и не сомневался ))http://pypi.python.org/pypi/django-secretballot/ вроде терпимо
[10:05:39] _lorien: у меня даже если велосипед есть я ещё раз его пишу :)
[10:06:15] slav0nic: байтфло домен сдох?
[10:07:03] Ляпатяпа: >[14:05:21] _lorien: у меня даже если велосипед есть я ещё раз его пишу
хехе
[10:07:06] bobry: _lorien, упражняешься?
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[10:07:30] _lorien: просто интересно :) Всё равно большая часть моих проектов на стадии разработки загибается
[10:08:04] _lorien: Байтфлоу продлить надо, я не стал пиранье напоминать ибо заебало :) Он там через мою панель регистратора регал
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[10:11:45] webninja: так сам то байтфлоу вроде майтейнится
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[10:12:05] webninja: исходники кстати норм. можно оттуда много подчерпнуть
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[10:12:19] webninja: йода глянь там и формы есть
[10:12:35] webninja: http://hg.piranha.org.ua/byteflow/file/43dd5d2ac4ab/apps/accounts/forms.py#l21
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[10:15:31] Magister Yoda: оукей. посмотрю спасибо.
[10:16:43] slav0nic: байтфло не развивается вроде, пиранье некогда, там только багфиксы
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[10:17:19] webninja: так там все есть
[10:17:24] webninja: в принципе
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[10:18:35] mishok13: http://www.python.org/community/jobs/index.html#coders-heaven-dhaka-bangladesh
[10:18:40] mishok13: coders heaven
[10:18:43] mishok13: в Бангладеше
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[10:21:57] Magister Yoda: как получить текущую дату в своём формате?
пробовал datetime.date.strftime('%Y-%d-%m %H:%M:%S') говорит что этой функции не строка нужна, хотя на сайте именно так написано
[10:22:04] Magister Yoda: http://pleac.sourceforge.net/pleac_python/datesandtimes.html
[10:22:15] Magister Yoda: в самом низу
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[10:23:05] Ляпатяпа: может .now() надо вставить в середину?
[10:23:29] Magister Yoda: сейчас попробую...
[10:23:53] webninja: фильтер есть еще |date чтобы сформатировать как надо
[10:24:20] webninja: если тебе в шаблон нужно то там есть прям в джанго шаблонах тэг now
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[10:24:59] Magister Yoda: нет, мне не в шаблон. мне просто надо получить текущую дату в формате и сравнить её с датой из базы
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[10:25:28] Magister Yoda: Ляпатяпа: datetime.date.now().strftime('%Y-%d-%m %H:%M:%S') - так что ли? не работает
[10:25:37] Magister Yoda: type object 'datetime.date' has no attribute 'now'
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[10:26:45] Ляпатяпа: In [3]: import datetime

In [4]: datetime.datetime.now().strftime('%Y-%d-%m %H:%M:%S')
Out[4]: '2011-09-02 14:26:22'
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[10:27:01] evrial: Ляпатяпа: хватит писать эту строчку
[10:27:07] evrial: оно меня хайлайтит
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[10:27:25] Ляпатяпа: какую?
[10:27:36] mishok13: нас это типа должно как-то смущать?
[10:28:05] Magister Yoda: Ляпатяпа: спасибо
[10:28:57] webninja: datetime.datetime.now() вот так
[10:29:05] webninja: import datetime
[10:29:11] webninja: перед этим само собой
[10:29:37] webninja: а черт уже написали ) тормоз
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[10:29:48] Magister Yoda: дак ещё в формате надо
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[10:30:10] webninja: блин а для хаскелля есть какие нибудь практические применения? что им удобно делать?
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[10:41:03] Typhon: webninja: ну ёпта. факториалы считать. всё ж есть на сайте и приложения, и конторы, которые используют. да и вообще дурацкая постановка вопроса :-)
[10:42:06] webninja: я ищу аргументы чтобы к ближе к лету начать его питонить
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[10:42:13] webninja: =)
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[10:42:18] webninja: хаскель в смысле
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[10:44:43] xa4a: на хабре пару дней назад была статья
[10:44:48] xa4a: или не на хабре?
[10:44:54] xa4a: про практическое применение хаскеля
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[10:45:58] Sevenov: > практическое применение хаскеля
[10:46:01] Sevenov: как звучит-то
[10:46:02] wiz: на жуйке был недавно хаскелесрачик
[10:46:26] Typhon: http://juick.com/lurker/1201728
[10:46:27] Sevenov: сколько хацкелю лет, а люди до сих пор еще пишут статьи о "практическом применении хаскеля".
[10:46:28] Typhon: ^_^
[10:46:30] xa4a: Sevenov: окей, ghjlfriy ghbvtytybt
[10:46:32] Typhon: Sevenov: ++
[10:46:39] xa4a: продакшн применение
[10:46:50] xa4a: и ваще. в пфп ж только об этом и пишут
[10:46:56] Sevenov: То есть реально ничего нет, но зато есть статьи о монадах и как крут хацкель.
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[10:47:36] Typhon: http://raincat.bysusanlin.com/ ещё
[10:47:46] Typhon: =^.^=
[10:48:16] xa4a: Typhon: оно глючное и с трудом запускается)
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[10:50:19] xa4a: а можно ли считать darcs практическим применением, если оно применяется только для hs-проектов?
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[10:51:03] Typhon: нет, не только для hs
[10:51:08] Typhon: ocsigen, lwt
[10:51:13] Typhon: будь они прокляты за это! :D
[10:51:53] portnov: xmonad же.
[10:52:02] mishok13: бгыыгы
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[10:52:27] xa4a: xmonad:true
[10:52:29] portnov: альсо Зефиров со своими штангами^Wпроцессорами
[10:53:00] Typhon: galois ещё со своим copilot и darpa )
[10:53:17] xa4a: ещё кто-то писал софт для сборщиков мусора на хаскеле
[10:53:25] xa4a: (которые ездят и баки чистят)
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[10:58:00] mishok13: piranha, и тебе не стыдно не знать про next?
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[10:58:56] Typhon: а я не понимаю, чем x = next(it, None); if x is None: ... лучше try/except'а
[10:59:00] piranha: mishok13: уже не стыдно, знаю
[10:59:10] piranha: Typhon: потому что часто x is None не нужен
[10:59:16] piranha: mishok13: в смысле уже знаю ;P
[10:59:25] mishok13: но ведь еще вчера не знал!
[10:59:32] mishok13: за вчера-то стыдно должно быть?
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[10:59:50] wiz: Typhon, try/except медленее будет же
[10:59:55] piranha: вчера — то дело прошлое
[11:00:05] piranha: даже если и стыдно, думать об этом не стоит
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[11:00:38] Typhon: wiz: stopiteration один раз случится
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[11:02:26] Typhon: олсо, builtin_next тоже "ловит" исключение
[11:03:56] Sevenov: "вопрос о next" (или что там было?) == "нажрался как скотина на вечеринке у соседа"?
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[11:13:25] xa4a: хм.. а на инстанс нельзя пропети навесить, я правильно понимаю?
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[11:14:47] piranha: по-моему можно...
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[11:15:28] xa4a: кроме inst.__class__.field = property(get, set)
[11:15:45] Typhon: xa4a: ты вроде поднимал уже этот вопрос, там с хаками можно ^_^
[11:16:06] Sevenov: xa4a, setattr(instance, property(get,set)) ?
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[11:16:19] Sevenov: *(instance, name, ....)
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[11:19:07] Typhon: Sevenov: пробовал? :)
[11:19:23] xa4a: Sevenov: нет, при inst.field оно вернёт сам объект property
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[11:20:22] Sevenov: Typhon, неа
[11:20:45] Sevenov: xa4a, пиши на руби :3
[11:20:58] Sevenov: include/extend
[11:21:18] Typhon: руби -- <неприличная рифма>!
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[11:33:09] piranha: http://code.google.com/p/coev/
[11:33:11] piranha: хм
[11:33:35] piranha: а, он патчит питон
[11:34:32] Typhon: """ twisted-like performance without twisting your brain. """ -- маркетологи!
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[11:44:31] portnov: PYTHON: Haskell-like performance without haskelling your brain!
[11:44:33] portnov: :/
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[11:47:05] Typhon: brainfuck performance without brain fucjing
[11:47:10] Typhon: *fucking
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[11:53:32] wiz: for those who without brain
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[12:11:52] Magister Yoda: C:\Python27\lib\site-packages\django\template\defaulttags.py:52: UserWarning: A {% csrf_token %} was used in a template, but the context did not provide the value. This is usually caused by not using RequestContext.
warnings.warn("A {% csrf_token %} was used in a template, but the context did not provide the value. This is usually caused by not using RequestContext.")

[12:12:20] Magister Yoda: подскажите что за ошибка. {% csrf_token %} у меня есть в каждой форме
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[12:15:46] piranha: подсказываю: прочти
[12:15:53] piranha: оно не говорит, что у тебя его нет
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[12:47:55] xa4a: Magister Yoda: ну ты эта.. ну ты понял
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[12:53:16] webninja: поставь в форме в темплейте {% csrf_token %}
[12:53:49] Typhon: webninja: ну читнул бы ошибку штоле
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[13:12:23] Magister Yoda: кажись понял. типа я его юзаю там, где он мне совсем не нужен - верно?
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[13:15:00] Magister Yoda: а вообще
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[13:15:21] Magister Yoda: этот ворнинг ведь не критический, так что можно на него забить - верно?
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[13:16:13] Magister Yoda: причем он появляется только 1 раз
[13:16:36] xa4a: ты его юзаешь там, где он, может, нужен. но ты его юзаешь не правильно
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[13:18:23] Magister Yoda: а как его можно юзать не правильно?
[13:18:36] webninja: аа в контекст тогда передай этот токен
[13:18:42] webninja: есть в доках пример прям
[13:18:45] Typhon: was used in a template, but the context did not provide the value. This is usually caused by not using RequestContext
[13:18:56] Typhon: неужели не понятно?
[13:19:04] webninja: да что неясно? )
[13:19:30] webninja: глянь в доках жанго csrf token там сразу прям код написан
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[13:21:00] Magister Yoda: http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.2/ref/contrib/csrf/ это?
[13:21:19] webninja: да
[13:21:58] Magister Yoda: , context_instance=RequestContext(request) вот проэту хрень видимо говорите
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[13:22:14] webninja: нет
[13:22:27] webninja: def my_view(request): c = {} c.update(csrf(request)) # ... view code here return render_to_response("a_template.html", c)
[13:22:39] webninja: с.update(csrf(request))
[13:22:44] Magister Yoda: я декораторы юзаю
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[13:22:58] webninja: пох ты какой-то value возвращаешь
[13:23:08] webninja: вот и делай value.update()
[13:23:22] Magister Yoda: ну ладно...
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[13:36:09] webninja: если юзаешь декоратор
[13:36:25] webninja: @login_required
@render_to("forms/file_upload.html")
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[13:37:32] webninja: def file_upload_view(request):
values = dict()
values.update(csrf(request)) # set CSRF token
return values
[13:37:36] webninja: примерно так
[13:37:47] webninja: я делаю ) ща спецы обосрут канешно
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[13:38:51] webninja: ты йода пока первое время во многие темы будешь не втыкать, пройдет пара недель усердных потугов и потом поймешь что к чему и как ваще вся эта система работает
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[13:39:00] Typhon: Usually, this can be done in one of two ways: 1) Use RequestContext, which always uses 'django.core.context_processors.csrf' (no matter what your TEMPLATE_CONTEXT_PROCESSORS setting). 
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[13:40:40] webninja: ну это потом уже можно ) мне bobry недавно рассказал про контенкс процессоры я вник в доки и кое че переписал )
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[13:40:59] webninja: навигацию например удобно там хранить
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[13:42:07] bobry: webninja, csrf token всегда добавляется в форму если я правильно помню
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[13:55:58] wiz: там ещё поиск есть
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[14:40:09] Tony: простые движки форумов для GAE кто знает?
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[15:39:00] Ildar: здрасти
[15:39:01] Ildar: рисует кто нить в автокаде?
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[17:16:41] xa4a: гхм..
[17:16:44] xa4a: а что такое IT-центр?
[17:16:48] xa4a: http://itnews.com.ua/55027.html
[17:17:34] mishok13: а шо, билд инженера предлагают?
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[17:18:22] xa4a: ага
[17:18:26] mishok13: it-центр это замысловатое название для аутсорсинга
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[17:18:38] xa4a: только там требования какие-то странные
[17:18:42] xa4a: я таких слов ваще не слышал
[17:19:20] mishok13: перфорсы, оракелы всякие
[17:19:31] mishok13: ты шо, энтерпрайз во всей красе
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[17:40:15] xa4a: есть какая-то дока по vcs (например hg), рассчитаная на не знающих svn?
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[17:40:22] xa4a: тоесть без предидущего опыта в vcs
[17:40:42] xa4a: http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/Tutorial кажется довольно убогим
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[17:49:24] slav0nic: http://hgbook.red-bean.com/ мож?
[17:49:55] slav0nic: xa4a, кстати эт, что там есть из актуального для rrd? собрать и график построить
[17:50:10] _lorien: xa4a: на хабре была серия переводов про hg
[17:50:16] _lorien: кажется автор Джоэль Спольски или как там его
[17:50:20] Typhon: xa4a: тебе насколько глубоко то надо? азам, пожалуй, можно минут за 10 обучить
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[17:50:45] slav0nic: я ща с 2мя свнщкиами работаю, что-то их ветки пугают)
[17:50:57] xa4a: Typhon: дока по азам. ответить на вопрос "что делать, если я удалил проект случайно?" :)
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[17:51:17] xa4a: slav0nic: не слежу. как написал на хабр когда-то, так почти и не ковырял
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[17:52:28] xa4a: _lorien: угу, есть. только оно начинается с отличий от svn
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[17:52:54] xa4a: а, Если вы никогда не использовали Subversion, то можете перейти к следующей статье («Основы Mercurial» <http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/development_tools/108658/>) и ничего не упустите.
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[17:53:38] piranha: :)
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[17:54:17] xa4a: то, что надо)
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[18:16:18] xa4a: /me написал в виме nmap ; : и кайфует
[18:16:37] piranha: хм, хорошая идея
[18:16:42] xa4a: теперь на кажджом сейве можно сэкономить немного мизинца
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[18:16:56] piranha: cmap w!! w !sudo tee % >/dev/null

[18:16:58] piranha: вот еще
[18:17:21] piranha: сохранить с судо )
[18:17:37] _lorien: я пытался save на f2 замапить, чё-то не могу привыкнуть, тупо уже в пальцы вросло ESC:w
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[18:25:18] xa4a: ESC?!
[18:25:24] xa4a: Ctrl+[ же!
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[18:25:35] xa4a: пожалейте мизинчики
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[18:25:44] xa4a: а если ещё капслок забиндить на Ctrl
[18:25:48] xa4a: то вообще красота
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[18:27:08] Typhon: капслок не нужен
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[18:27:40] Typhon: по капслоку же раскладки переключать надо
[18:27:41] xa4a: в смысле чтобы капслок работал как Ctrl
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[18:28:33] Typhon: а, типа пальцы не тянуть?
[18:28:40] xa4a: угу
[18:28:42] xa4a: ⌘-Space раскладки
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[18:31:06] _lorien: я эскейп не мизинцем жму, тупо клешнёй бацаю в угол, получается безымянным или средним пальцем
[18:31:28] _lorien: так угол не меняется, под которым рука на клаве лежит
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[18:31:59] _lorien: а шобы мизинцем нажать надо руку повернуть или тянуть её дальше, у меня клава то большая, микрософт curve
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[18:33:44] xa4a: мне кажется проще чуть повернуть левую и дотянуться до Ctrl, чем тащить её до Esc
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[18:34:47] piranha: Typhon: по капслоку контрол надо =)
[18:34:57] piranha: пушо это в тыщу раз круче всего
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[18:35:56] _lorien: у меня на капсе раскладка клавы )
[18:35:58] Typhon: что-то не кажется это удобным в имаксе по клаве бацать!
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[18:37:03] _lorien: Чо в Москве можно делать неделю? :)
[18:37:35] огыешсук: в пробке стоять
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[18:37:48] огыешсук: даже две недели можно, если очень хочется
[18:37:52] Tony: я что делать в москве день не зналъ
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[18:39:48] _lorien: Ну тупо гулять можно по центру пару вечеров, если погода будет неслякотная. Я в Москве пару дней был только два года назад.
[18:39:50] огыешсук: ну, например за день можно сходить в посольство и съездить на аэроэкспрессе в аэропорт
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[18:40:14] _lorien: А чо там в посольстве? :o)
[18:40:18] огыешсук: виза
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[18:40:52] _lorien: Жаль денег мало. Так бы можно было в Киев ещё сгонять заодно.
[18:41:27] _lorien: Ну вообще 25-го только в Москву. Может заработаю ещё чего-нить быстренько :)
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[18:42:10] огыешсук: так зачем?
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[18:42:54] _lorien: Девушку на свадьбу позвали в Москву, она меня позвала. А я подумал, абсурдно в Москву лететь на пару дней и так редко куда выбираюсь. И решил там неделю у друга покантоваться.
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[18:43:53] _lorien: Из Омска до Москвы дорого лететь - 166 баков. Из Тюмени например в два раза дешевле уже, но я до неё на поезде не хочу пилить 9 часов.
[18:44:43] _lorien: У s7 сайт дебильный, билеты можно только через explorer заказать - в других браузерах глючит сайт
[18:44:51] огыешсук: добавить ещё 800$ и можно лететь не в москву, а в калифорнию.. В Лас-Вегасе жениться довольно модно, кстати, да и посмотреть есть на что.
[18:45:17] огыешсук: ну и погода там потеплее, да
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[18:51:15] _lorien: ну это потом, у меня ща загран кончился даже, всё не соберусь пойти его оформить
[18:51:18] _lorien: очередей боюсь
[18:51:36] огыешсук: говорят, можно через интернет теперь заказывать
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[18:56:47] Tony: _lorien, а я думал ты жениться в москве собрался?
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[18:57:12] _lorien: нет, нахер o_O
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[18:57:45] _lorien: просто с девушкой поедем на свадьбу её подруги
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[18:58:01] _lorien: а та вообще в Башкирии живёт, но хочет свадьбу в Москве, как-то так
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[19:01:36] mash@jabber.iteam.ua is now RT @Crash_AT: :) #sexymonday RT @Kichrum: Я за безопасный секс! Привязал девушку к кровати, и никаких тебе царапин и укусов... ©УкрБаш
[19:01:49] _lorien: http://cs11274.vk.com/u19528505/127683316/z_ef68fd9f.jpg Омск :)
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[19:04:28] slav0nic: _lorien, покупай новый запорожец и езжай в Москву
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[19:06:03] _lorien: новые вроде не делают
[19:06:56] slav0nic: ну я в смысле у тебя ж был какой-то)
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[19:07:10] _lorien: в 94-м был снят с производства
[19:07:40] _lorien: Я на своём пока боюсь далеко ездить, да и на любом боюсь по трассе ехать далеко
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[19:11:55] _lorien: http://zaz.kiev.ua/forum/ хехе, вполне живой форум любителей запорожцев :)
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[19:19:45] wiz: кстати, я что-то пропустил....
[19:19:56] wiz: выяснили, в итоге, какие у хаскеля реальные применения?
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[19:21:25] Typhon: глючный raincat, darcs с полутора пользователями и libfactorial
[19:21:47] wiz: глючный??
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[19:22:05] wiz: но хаскель же позволяет математически проверять и доказывать безбажность прог!
[19:22:21] Typhon: xa4a утверждает, что да.
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[19:26:16] cutwater: кстати тут вот на форуме встретил интересное мнение Андрея Светлова о том что интерфейсы в питоне таки нужны
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[19:27:36] cutwater: собственно меня интересует вообще применение таких вещей как zope.interface, abc (если оно хоть как-то то что я себе представляю делает) ну и можно ли жить спокойно без них
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[19:53:15] Fl@sh: как правильно освобождать память в приложении (не закрывая его)?
gc.collect() что-то не торопится *SCRATCH*
[19:54:10] bobry: Fl@sh, освобождать никак
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[19:57:05] Fl@sh: никак не пойдёт... под 3Гига кушает, а отдавать -- не отдаёт..
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[19:57:23] bobry: Fl@sh, ищи в коде утечки — магических рецептов нет
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[19:57:33] Typhon: значит ссылки остались где-то
[19:57:44] Typhon: gc.garbage, емнип, покажет то, что собрать не может
[19:58:10] Typhon: extension'ы какие-нибудь используешь?
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[19:59:10] Fl@sh: ну. там где идёт накопление инфы а списках и xml.minidom-ных объектах, я делаю просто del, птом вызываю gc.collect()
[19:59:18] Fl@sh: Typhon: d cvsckt &
[19:59:24] Fl@sh: в смысле?
[19:59:49] Typhon: сишные экстеншны сам писал? или не из стдлиб пользуешь какие-нибудь?
[20:00:18] Fl@sh: не-не, чисто пиновое всё, стандартное
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[20:00:30] Fl@sh: питоновое*
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[20:00:50] bobry: Fl@sh, код в студию
[20:00:53] Typhon: посмотри gc.garbage, и gc.get_referrers на объектах
[20:01:00] bobry: ну или так
[20:01:03] Typhon: кто ссылки подпрятал
[20:01:15] Fl@sh: bobry: там не 5 строк...
[20:01:19] Typhon: guppy -- инструмент, который может помочь
[20:01:41] Fl@sh: Typhon: ок. посмотрю..
спс всем)
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[20:17:40] cryptspirit: добрый вечер. Может кто нибудь подсказать как при событии нажатия клавиши в Gtk (gtk.gdk.KEY_PRESS) получить не только keyval нажатой клавиши но и ее название?
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[22:09:39] inpython: а есть кто с мск?
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[22:12:37] Typhon: есть
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[22:13:20] bobry: Typhon, мерси за ссылку на python innards — хорошо дядька пишет :)
[22:13:42] inpython: +963 это какой оператор?
[22:15:55] Typhon: inpython, это оффтопик. ( https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=en&q=префиксы+операторов+963 , btw )
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[22:16:54] inpython: спасибо
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[22:31:20] xa4a: http://www.djangoproject.com/weblog/2011/feb/08/security/ джангочка сломалась. все обновляемся
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[23:02:14] gigimon: хм
[23:02:21] gigimon: sourceforge перешел на trac?
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[23:06:27] webninja: piranha скажи как разработчик. есть например набор кактинок в разных папках ммм реально с помощью сайракса организовать что-то вроде галлереи?
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[23:27:53] deepwalker: он занят : )
[23:27:56] deepwalker: они пишут ботега
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[23:29:27] webninja: хых
[23:29:34] webninja: я уже осознаю что вроде можно
[23:29:44] webninja: экстеншн написать
[23:29:51] webninja: но пока хз как щаз попробую
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