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[09:43:10] dicos: wiz, а чем так сильно не устраивает версия 2.7?
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[12:13:39] cutwater: а вот мне просто интересно, смотрел сорцы питона, там у них свой лексер и парсер написаны
[12:13:43] cutwater: внезапно вопрос а зачем?
[12:13:57] gigimon: все свое ношу с собой
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[12:14:02] cutwater: хех
[12:14:07] cutwater: больше велосипедов хороших и разных?
[12:14:27] cutwater: нет ну мне просто интересно есть ли какая объективная причина не пользоваться теми же lex / yacc / bison
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[12:27:21] Gap is now A friend in needs a friend indeed,
A friend with weed is better,
A friend with breasts and all the rest,
A friend who's dressed in leather,

A friend in needs a friend indeed,
A friend who'll tease is better ,
Our thoughts compressed,
Which make

[12:27:46] Gap: всем привет
[12:28:40] Gap: народ, как сделать срез строки с русскими символами в python 2.6?
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[12:30:03] bobry: Gap, "бла бла"[a:b] :)
[12:30:38] cutwater: Gap: для этого строка должна быть юникодной, Ваш Капитан Очевидность
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[12:30:45] bobry: cutwater, назови пример языков у которых не свой лексер и парсер?
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[12:31:21] cutwater: bobry: нет мне просто любопытно есть же те же lex / yacc / bison связки. есть ли объективная причина их не использовать?
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[12:32:36] bobry: объективных думаю нет
[12:33:06] Gap: bobry: не переводит строку в юникод, ошибка "ascii" codec can't decode byte 0xd0 in position 0: ordinal not in range(128)
[12:33:38] cutwater: Gap: может быть покажешь код?
[12:33:44] Gap: щас залью
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[12:35:40] Gap: http//dumpz.org/33294
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[12:36:20] cutwater: зашибись
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[12:36:50] cutwater: citata[0].decode('utf-8') ?

[12:36:56] cutwater: охщи
[12:37:11] cutwater: Gap: ну во-первых еще это надо чему-то присвоить
[12:37:26] cutwater: а во-вторых обзывать переменные именами стандартных типов как-то не годно
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[12:38:32] xa4a: !wtf unicode
[12:38:38] xa4a: Gap это раз
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[12:38:55] xa4a: а два - твоя регулярка сломается, если на страницу будет больше одного <p></p>
[12:39:31] Gap: xa4a: не сломается, проверял
[12:39:36] Gap: всем спасибо=)
[12:39:37] cutwater: ORLY?
[12:39:47] cutwater: Gap: ты о жадности квалификаторов читал?
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[12:40:02] Gap: cutwater: нет, просвяти=)
[12:40:26] cutwater: не священник, святить не умею ^_^
[12:40:29] xa4a: твоя регулярка схавает от первого <p> до последнего </p>
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[12:40:53] xa4a: cutwater: квантификаторов, FTFY
[12:41:03] cutwater: xa4a: ну опечатался не суть
[12:41:10] Gap: xa4a: она хавает текст в тегах <p> </p> и заносит в массив
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[12:41:24] xa4a: Gap: твоя регулярка схавает от первого <p> до последнего </p>
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[12:41:33] cutwater: пропуская все промежуточные
[12:41:40] xa4a: <p>asd</p><p>qwe</p>
[12:41:42] xa4a: Gap: твоя регулярка схавает от первого <p> до последнего </p>
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[12:43:01] Gap: xa4a: <p>asd</p><p>qwe</p> - так надо?
[12:43:15] cutwater: Gap: почитай что-нибудь по регуляркам
[12:43:25] rst: В пределах одной строки если будет несколько <p>
[12:43:26] cutwater: правильно было бы '<p>(.*?)</p>'
[12:43:37] xa4a: Gap: на таком тесте твой регексп выдаст asd</p><p>qwe
[12:43:42] xa4a: *тексте
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[12:44:12] cutwater: Gap: у тебя просто работает потому что в одной строке не встречается <p>больше одного раза. но это не значит что так будет всегда.
[12:44:16] Gap: понял, пошел читать
[12:44:17] cutwater: Gap: поэтому учите матчасть
[12:44:24] Gap: всем спасибо
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[12:44:30] rst: Или лучше использовать lxml
[12:44:34] cutwater: Gap: для понимания регулярок купи себе книжку Фридл "Регулярные выражения"
[12:44:40] cutwater: блин... ненавижу когда сваливают сразу же
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[12:48:16] xa4a: или лучше BeautifulSoup
[12:48:56] cutwater: xa4a: есть мнение что он кривой
[12:49:02] cutwater: говорят лучше html5lib вроде
[12:49:15] xa4a: html5lib хавает кривой html?
[12:49:31] cutwater: вроде лучше BS
[12:49:45] cutwater: xa4a: я работал только с BS и хавал кривой html он ну уж очень хреново
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[12:50:06] xa4a: лучше, чем lxml :)
[12:50:25] xa4a: хотя можно же в lxml втыкнуть парсер от BS
[12:50:33] xa4a: для полноты ощущений
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[12:50:57] bobry: Gap молодцом, общительный
[12:51:14] cutwater: xa4a: хочу написать свой фреймворк.
[12:51:15] xa4a: читательный
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[12:51:18] cutwater: с чего начать? :_d
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[12:51:24] xa4a: веб?
[12:51:26] cutwater: eue
[12:51:28] cutwater: yep
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[12:51:36] xa4a: эм.. хз. начни с эрланга :D
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[12:51:46] cutwater: xa4a: зочем?
[12:51:51] xa4a: web-scale
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[12:52:39] cutwater: нет ну как бы вопрос упирается в проектировании
[12:52:43] cutwater: так вот как писать
[12:52:47] xa4a: есть подозрение, что чтобы сделать фреймворк надо просто писать код, выделяя повторяющиеся части
[12:53:08] xa4a: но это выйдет хреновый фреймворк
[12:53:08] cutwater: хм.. ну тоже как бы вариант
[12:53:10] xa4a: такие уже есть
[12:53:12] cutwater: угу
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[12:53:21] cutwater: мне местами архитектурно Flask не нравится просто
[12:53:32] xa4a: тогда надо взять все, что есть и найти, что не нравится + как это исправить
[12:53:35] cutwater: а Svarga как-то ну не знаю... =)
[12:54:44] xa4a: зачем ещё веб-фреймворк?
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[12:55:00] xa4a: только потому, что flask не нравится местами?
[12:55:08] xa4a: моно потерпеть же, если местами
[12:55:14] xa4a: и написать что-то действительно нужное
[12:55:17] xa4a: например вот..
[12:55:29] cutwater: например что?
[12:55:43] xa4a: http://manu.sporny.org/2011/public-domain-genome/
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[12:56:00] cutwater: =)
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[12:56:02] xa4a: чувак просит написать веб-сервис для разбора днк
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[12:56:19] xa4a: днк есть, вики с описанием каждого маркера есть
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[12:56:25] xa4a: меш-ап!
[12:56:30] cutwater: это интересно конечно....
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[12:56:46] cutwater: правда щас и своих проблем хватает, хочется так для себя что-нибудь полезное чтобы расслабиться
[12:56:47] xa4a: фреймворк ради фреймворка - бесперспективняк
[12:56:48] rst: Да. Полезное что-нибудь лучше бы написали. А то джанга, джанга
[12:57:03] cutwater: я щас пишу тут кое что на джанге на работе
[12:57:21] cutwater: два дня проработав с django-piston я начинаю его ненавидеть
[12:57:23] rst: Как будто ничего нету кроме веба.
[12:57:32] cutwater: rst: кроме веба мне и на работе хватает =)
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[12:58:27] rst: А вообще прикольно. Снять с себя днк и отдать в опенсорс. Пусть копируют :))
[12:58:41] xa4a: там есть репозиторий на github
[12:58:42] cutwater: а мне щас интересно таки запилить сервис для индексации домашней библиотеки, и медиатеки. правда пока что хочется дл начала фреймворк попробовать написать на питоне годный...
[12:58:56] xa4a: соль в том, что в репозитории уже есть pull request :D
[12:59:05] cutwater: :-)
[12:59:34] rst: This genetic data is the equivalent of 5 MP3 songs, a small website, or 5-7 high resolution digital photos. - ыыыы
[12:59:39] xa4a: https://github.com/msporny/dna/pull/1
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[13:01:16] огыешсук: что-то мало, полная расшифровка днк это кажись dvd-диск целиковый
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[13:01:48] огыешсук: какие то большие у вас цифрофотки с mp3`шками
[13:02:00] xa4a: пруфлинк?
[13:02:11] xa4a: полная расшифровка - это как? :)
[13:02:44] xa4a: чувак пишет, что 23andme дают значения 1кк маркеров
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[13:03:48] огыешсук: полная это полная, то есть вся последовательность генокода целиком
[13:03:55] огыешсук: а не выборочно
[13:04:40] огыешсук: маркеры это те отдельные элементы значение коих понятно и определенно
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[13:06:04] xa4a: см. линк на блог
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[13:06:32] xa4a: There are around 10 million SNPs in the human genome, the Illumina chip can currently analyze around 1 million of them (966,977 – to be exact). Of those roughly 1 million pieces of data, all of science only knows what around 14,515 of them do
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[13:07:09] xa4a: они дают значения 1кк, из которых известны 14.5, про которые, должно быть, написано в вики
[13:07:23] xa4a: и рисуют красивые картинки только для самых интересных
[13:07:34] xa4a: чувак предлагает написать сервис, который будет с вики брать инфу для остальных
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[13:11:40] огыешсук: ну это понятно, что весь днк они не расшифровывают, это долго и дорого
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[13:11:57] огыешсук: лет через десяток будут весь
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[13:18:12] cutwater: пипец... в питоне почти 9000 строк работы только с юникодом
[13:18:25] xa4a: юникод сложный
[13:18:41] xa4a: даже на хаскеле там куча строк
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[13:18:46] xa4a: в rwh было
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[13:21:30] xa4a: !g unicode realworldhaskell
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[13:22:36] огыешсук: так, в одной молекуле днк около 200 kk пар нуклеотидов, информационная ёмкость одной пары это два бита, итого имеем с полмиллиарда битов или 50 мегабайтов
нюанс -- в одной клетке этих днк 23 штуки (два метра в длину, если вытянуть и склеить), то есть имеем уже чуть больше гигабайта данных
как то так
[13:23:02] cutwater: xa4a: я так понял в питоне полностью свой юникод реализован?
[13:23:13] cutwater: то есть без зависимости от локалей и т.п.?
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[13:24:08] xa4a: :dontknow:
[13:24:35] cutwater: :-D
[13:24:41] cutwater: я щас просто смотрю сорцы питона
[13:24:57] cutwater: тут просто есть еще одна задачка на сях, плюсцах
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[13:25:13] cutwater: с которой не хотелось бы завязываться на всякие тяжеловесные библиотеки
[13:25:27] огыешсук: примерно 3% днк несёт генетическую информацию, зачем нужен остальной гигабайт ещё не ясно
генов всего несколько десятков тысяч, то есть чисто генетическую часть днк действительно можно описать весьма компактно, да
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[13:32:48] xa4a: тем не менее, это полезнее, чем новый веб-фреймворк
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[13:38:51] cutwater: :-)
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[13:48:17] cutwater: xa4a: я тут ушел в чтение стандарта Unicode
[13:48:25] cutwater: и даже нашел их базу которую можно распарсить
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[13:49:22] xa4a: базу кого?
[13:49:49] cutwater: UCD
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[13:50:04] xa4a: но зачем?
[13:50:06] cutwater: # Unicode Character Database
[13:50:12] cutwater: xa4a: да просто любопытно посмотреть
[13:50:24] cutwater: xa4a: я щас хочу чего-нибудь пописать....
[13:50:45] cutwater: вот думаю чего бы. есть 2-3 идеи которые давно уже хотел реализовать
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[13:51:03] xa4a: реализовывать свой юникод только не надо :)
[13:51:07] cutwater: не не буду =)
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[13:51:16] cutwater: мне просто было любопытно
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A friend with weed is better,
A friend with breasts and all the rest,
A friend who's dressed in leather,

A friend in needs a friend indeed,
A friend who'll tease is better ,
Our thoughts compressed,
Which make

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A friend with weed is better,
A friend with breasts and all the rest,
A friend who's dressed in leather,

A friend in needs a friend indeed,
A friend who'll tease is better ,
Our thoughts compressed,
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[15:35:20] _lorien: у кого-нить есть список фильтров для поиска матершинных слов?
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[15:35:29] _lorien: * матерщинных
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[15:39:56] _lorien: http://lorien.name/static/pub/8a33811ac8ea481381655d997781b821.png ой я конечно знал, что перл непонятный язык, но...
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[15:51:28] bobry: регуляркой и не интересно
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[16:00:51] xa4a: есть список запрещённых доменов .рф :)
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[16:02:39] xa4a: но всё-равно, всего е отловить
[16:02:45] xa4a: например:
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[16:03:09] _lorien: http://dumpz.org/33314/ на php нашёл интересный скрипт
[16:03:14] _lorien: мне не надо отлавливать, просто найти сообщения с матом
[16:03:23] _lorien: похуй, если что пропущу
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[16:03:46] _lorien: лол
[16:03:57] _lorien: xa4a: там даже твой вариант рассматривается
[16:04:07] _lorien: '/\\' => 'л', #Б/\ЯТЬ --> БЛЯТЬ :)
[16:04:09] _lorien: ну почти твой
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[16:06:12] xa4a: сложная задача. даже нельзя сотню индусов нанять...
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[16:06:32] bobry: _lorien, почему ты не хочешь байесов фильтр какой нить завелосипедить?
[16:06:38] bobry: регулярки имхо для такого не очень
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[16:06:57] bobry: потому что писать сложно / поддерживать невозможно
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[16:07:15] _lorien: так вот уже всё готовое )
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[16:07:20] _lorien: тока на питон портировать
[16:07:24] xa4a: тогда уже заюзать xapian с готовым русским стеммингом
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[16:07:36] _lorien: не, это сложно всё
[16:07:39] bobry: ну или так
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A friend with weed is better,
A friend with breasts and all the rest,
A friend who's dressed in leather,

A friend in needs a friend indeed,
A friend who'll tease is better ,
Our thoughts compressed,
Which make

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[17:17:28] _lorien: Conor McGann а где тут имя, где фамилия? :)
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[17:22:30] bobry: _lorien, McGann фамилия же
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[17:24:12] _lorien: я просто помню в терминаторе сара конор
[17:24:18] _lorien: конор же фамилия получается :)
[17:24:44] bobry: _lorien, Mc в имени не используется
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[17:25:48] bobry: это же ирландская приставка, если я не путаю
[17:25:49] bobry: как O'
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[18:21:49] Magister Yoda: привет всем. тупой вопрос - как писать именованные аргументы которые подставляются в строку?
я думал что что-то типа s = '%(name)s' % (name=n)
[18:22:07] Magister Yoda: но что-то ругается Пайтон на это
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[18:28:46] rst: а если словарь после %
[18:28:59] Magister Yoda: да. точно.
[18:29:02] Magister Yoda: спасибо
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[18:31:53] _lorien: http://php.net/manual/en/function.strtr.php в пятоне есть такая функция?
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[18:46:02] Magister Yoda: видимо нет =)
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[19:00:31] _lorien: re.compile('(п[ийы]?[с]?[жзс][дж])').search('пизд') чо не так, чё-то утомился я уже )
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[19:05:10] bobry: _lorien, флаг для юникода забыл
[19:05:47] bobry: strstr == str.translate
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[19:05:52] bobry: только аргументы там dictами
[19:06:56] _lorien: bobry: где ты там уникод увидел? )
[19:07:28] bobry: _lorien, я к тому шо шобы матчить русские буквы тебе надо в него все перевести и поставить флаг регулярке
[19:07:30] bobry: i may be wrong
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[19:07:44] _lorien: (Pdb) re.compile('ф').search('ф')
<_sre.SRE_Match object at 0xb704c020>
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[19:07:58] _lorien: пожалуйста, русские буквы без всяких флагов
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[19:08:08] bobry: oh well
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[19:10:16] _lorien: (Pdb) print re.compile('(п[ийы]?[с]?[жзс][дж])').search('пизд')
None
(Pdb) print re.compile('(п[ийы]?[с]?[жзс])').search('пизд')
<_sre.SRE_Match object at 0xb70359a0>
Вот если [дж] убрать, то матчится
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[19:12:17] _lorien: (Pdb) print re.compile('(п[ийы]?[с]?[жзс])').search('пизд').group(0)
пÐ
правда выводит срань каку-то
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[19:13:42] bobry: unicode ftw!
[19:13:56] _lorien: (Pdb) print re.compile(ur'(п[ийы])').search(u'пизд').group(0)
пÐ

[19:15:50] _lorien: (Pdb) print re.compile('(п[и])', re.U).search('пизд').group(1)
пÐ
(Pdb) print re.compile('(пи)', re.U).search('пизд').group(1)
пи
o_O
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[20:02:13] e.s.burdin: добрый вечер всем! Посоветуйте плагин для автокомплита.
Т.е. есть таблица с нужными значениями, есть форма с полем в которое надо автокомплитеть несколько значений из этой таблицы. Есть где-нибудь пример толковый?
[20:02:49] _lorien: В NDA форме поле Title, там чо писать? Mr. ?
[20:02:57] _lorien: Или web developer?
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[20:03:12] e.s.burdin: mr
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[20:04:45] _lorien: этих плагинов море :( Можешь попробовать начать с тех, для которых уже сделали django binding, в смысле аппу замутили
[20:04:56] _lorien: Или тебе не для джанги? )
[20:05:11] e.s.burdin: да, для джанги
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[20:12:38] bobry: _lorien, NDA? O_O
[20:12:52] bobry: она будет действительна для украины?
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[20:15:14] _lorien: не знаю, мне не жалко подписать
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[20:16:26] Tony: _lorien, ms ;)
[20:16:32] Tony: _lorien, вообще можешь ничего не писать. похуй имхо
[20:16:49] Tony: _lorien, Dr. можешь написать
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[20:18:17] _lorien: я уже написал Mr. :)
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[20:52:16] Magister Yoda: Exception Value:string indices must be integers что означает эта ошибка?
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[20:53:39] rst: То, что написано: индексы строки должны быть целыми числами.
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[20:54:04] Magister Yoda: дак я вроде и не пытаюсь не целые скормить
[20:54:27] bobry: >>> "abc"[2.0:]
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
TypeError: slice indices must be integers or None or have an __index__ method
[20:54:29] bobry: также?
[20:54:58] Magister Yoda: нет
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[20:56:17] bobry: прикольно, я про __index__ не знал
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[20:57:31] deepwalker: чертов цука манибукерс!!
[20:57:42] bobry: deepwalker, sup?
[20:57:52] deepwalker: с нег оможно вывести деньги не попадая на три месяца под нашу почту?
[20:58:13] bobry: нет
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[20:58:19] deepwalker: да козлы, первые 40 баксов вывели, а как нормальную сумму стал выводить, так достали со своей верицикайией адреса
[20:58:26] bobry: я ждал очень долго пока их письмо придет ...
[20:58:34] bobry: видимо кто то нехило повеселился из русских
[20:58:36] bobry: как и с paypal
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[20:59:12] Magister Yoda: зачем те букерсы?
[20:59:24] deepwalker: uflfqcz
[20:59:25] bobry: Magister Yoda, потому что paypal не разрешает входящие платежи
[20:59:29] deepwalker: догадайся с одного раза
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[21:06:04] Magister Yoda: http://www.codigomanso.com/en/2010/09/bbcodeutils-bbcode-parser-and-bbcode-to-html-for-python/ - я что-то не понял, он что ли только однострочные обрабатывать умеет?
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[21:08:50] Magister Yoda: всё. опять та же ошибка - не привёл к строке...
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[21:09:53] rst: Может где-то вместо двоеточия стоит точка типа [7.10]
[21:10:11] bobry: Magister Yoda, трейс на dumpz плиз
[21:10:27] Magister Yoda: нет. переменная к строке не была приведена - вот и всё, щас всё норм
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[21:11:35] tee: Привет! Пишу бота для flash игры на python, написал сниффер на сокетах, он успешно распознает пакеты фильтруя из регулярными выражениями , нужно как-то отвечать серверу, что посоветуете ? Проблема в том что нужно посылать серверу ответ сохраняя sequence пакета
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[21:17:19] tee: код сейчас (кривой) http://dpaste.com/413013/
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[21:21:25] deepwalker: это надо TCP прокси ставить
[21:21:37] deepwalker: если надо не только снифать, но и подмешивать
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[21:22:22] deepwalker: косарь таки букеры отдали
[21:22:25] deepwalker: хоть так
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[21:23:35] tee: сначала так и хотел делать прокси, но это не работает, потому что флеш игра использует флеш-сокет с конектом на нестандартный порт, при прописавании прокси в браузере игра естественно соединиться не может, т.к. она в любом случае использует прямое соединение
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[21:23:54] deepwalker: TCP прокси
[21:23:57] deepwalker: прокси они разные
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[21:24:44] tee: ок
[21:25:07] tee: но все равно не очень представляю, буду гуглить
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[21:33:07] tee: tcp прокси не подходит, я не знаю как заставить флеш-игру соединяться через прокси, смотрю в сторону модуля scapy
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[21:34:47] cutwater: ну я щас могу глупость сказать
[21:35:09] cutwater: но ты можешь посмотреть к какому хосту подключается игра, и прописать в /etc/hosts на 127.0.0.1
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[21:37:19] tee: думал над этим, но еще не проверял, думаю стоит пробовать спс
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[22:39:06] xa4a: _lorien
(Pdb) re.compile('ф').search('ф')
<_sre.SRE_Match object at 0xb704c020>
пожалуйста, русские буквы без всяких флагов
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[22:39:25] xa4a: <нехорошее слово>ый?
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[22:39:31] xa4a: это совпадение
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[22:45:17] bobry: xa4a, да, _lorien уже показывал этот "фокус" :)
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[23:26:18] Typhon: о, только хотел задать вопрос про el-get piranh'e и bobry, но пока формулировал, понял где тупил ^_^ вопрос тогда другой, для макоюзеров -- какой имакс пользуете? тут carbon всякий предлагают
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[23:26:47] bobry: Typhon, а чем изкаропки то плох?
[23:27:04] bobry: el-get кстати пофиксили все баги в master — пользую ненарадуюсь :)
[23:27:12] Typhon: да вот я тоже не понимаю, из портов поставил -- вроде ок :-)
[23:27:53] Typhon: у меня немножко подтупливал и не нравится, то что пакеты не в одном месте лежат, и нужно ставить darcs, bzr и всё прочее, чтобы ставить пакеты из рецептов :-(
[23:28:37] bobry: как это не в одном?
[23:28:48] bobry: все пакеты лежат в el-get/
[23:28:51] xa4a: плохой-плохой емакс
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[23:29:03] Typhon: bobry, не, те, которые он качает
[23:29:10] xa4a: вот в виме — все пакеты сзеркалированы на гитхабе
[23:29:15] bobry: эм, в смысле?
[23:29:16] Typhon: сначала же их нету
[23:29:34] bobry: у меня он все кладет сторого в ~/.emacs.d/el-get
[23:29:38] bobry: никуда больше :)
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[23:29:43] Typhon: кладёт то туда
[23:29:48] Typhon: но берёт то он их откуда? :)
[23:30:02] Typhon: вот когда никаких пакетов нету, он их по рецептам или по моим правилам качает.
[23:30:20] Typhon: python-mode, например, валяется в bzr репке, haskell-mode в дарксе и т.д. :(
[23:30:35] bobry: ну дык он их клонирует в el-get/<package>
[23:30:56] bobry: в el-get/el-get например git repo
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[23:32:58] Typhon: ты не понял суть моих претензий, кажется, либо я о какой-то возможности не знаю. меня удручает, что пакеты, присутствующие в рецептах, не лежат в одном месте (http, git, hg, whatever), а разбросаны по всему интернету и выкачиваются с помощью сотни разных vcs и прочих тулз. и это печально
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[23:33:58] bobry: ааа
[23:34:18] bobry: все упирается идиотизм требовани elpa, насколько я понимаю
[23:34:33] bobry: шобы засунуть туда пакет надо мильон формальностей соблюсти
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[23:34:44] bobry: как следствие — пакетов очень мало ..
[23:34:46] Typhon: ну хотя б на гитхаб зеркалили, вот вим молодцы
[23:34:59] bobry: в любом случае — я не вижу в этом проблемы
[23:35:09] Typhon: а то на убунте, например, даркс не проблема поставить, а на всяких фрибсдях -- :'(
[23:35:28] bobry: ну лол, в дарксе разве что haskell-mode лежит :)
[23:35:32] bobry: шо еще то?
[23:35:49] bobry: *применительно к емаксу*
[23:35:51] Typhon: ничего, вроде, из того что у меня настраивается :-) но вот базар ещё
[23:36:04] bobry: python-mode да ...
[23:36:17] bobry: ладно, пойду я посплю, а то завтра ш понедельник
[23:36:21] bobry: night night всем :)
[23:36:42] gigimon: а кто в чем пишет код на кофе скрипте?
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[23:36:49] gigimon: где-то есть подсветка?
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[23:39:33] Typhon: gigimon, я у пираньи в конфигах имаксовых видел какие-то настройки
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[23:41:08] gigimon: имакс...
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