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[09:30:49] portnov: утро.
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[09:31:13] portnov: как проще всего из списка set'ов получить один set?
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[09:35:08] portnov: зомг, а это ещё чо?
ValueError: dictionary update sequence element #0 has length 51; 2 is required
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[09:49:36] wiz_: Definitions of subversion on the Web: corruption: destroying someone's (or some group's) honesty or loyalty; undermining moral integrity; "corruption of a minor"; "the big city's subversion of rural innocence"
[09:49:46] wiz_: it's just fucking right!
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[09:50:26] wiz_: жаль для фри нет такого же подходящего словца
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[10:02:05] wiz_: когда там джанга на хг перейдёт?
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[10:03:05] slav0nic: а когда питон перейдёт?)
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[10:10:02] piranha: питон всë еще фпроцессе
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[10:12:19] webninja: piranha у тебя лежит чето
[10:12:20] webninja: сайт
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[10:13:34] piranha: сайт работает
[10:13:39] piranha: лежит хг, и хрен знает чо
[10:14:07] webninja: http://hg.piranha.org.ua/piranha.org.ua/file/3678c71ec409/
[10:14:09] webninja: да
[10:14:11] webninja: хг нужен
[10:14:13] webninja: =(
[10:14:23] webninja: я там тусуюсь
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[10:15:12] piranha: рестартанул
[10:15:15] piranha: какой-то отстой (
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[10:15:28] webninja: во
[10:15:30] webninja: заработало )
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[10:16:19] bobry: товарищи, а в wtforms нету аналога visible_fields?
[10:16:26] bobry: я шота смарю в доки / код и ничего не вижу
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[10:22:45] piranha: обновил до 1.7 меркуриал, мож перестанет подвисать
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[10:41:58] webninja: товарищи а как вы ставите жангу если по уму? ну я имею в виду вообще вебсервер и т.д.
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[10:42:28] slav0nic: cherokee + uwsgi, nginx + uwsgi etc)
[10:42:35] slav0nic: зависит от сексуальных предпочтений
[10:42:52] webninja: нгникс слово нравится мне
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[10:43:03] wiz_: nginx + cherrypy контейнер
[10:43:25] slav0nic: тогда за черри надо будет следить
[10:43:29] slav0nic: я сам раньше так юзал
[10:43:34] webninja: uwsgi это например werkzeug?
[10:43:36] slav0nic: да и проксирование не кошер В)
[10:43:44] piranha: чего это оно не кошер?
[10:43:51] slav0nic: нет, это то, что гугл скажет
[10:44:12] webninja: !g uwsgi
[10:44:24] slav0nic: как бы для взаимодействия фронта аля веб с бекендом и придумали всякие uwsgi/scgi и тп
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[10:44:45] slav0nic: зачем бедный питон мучать парсингом заголовков и тп задачей
[10:45:10] slav0nic: +uwsgi например убить тяжко
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[10:45:41] slav0nic: я например вообще не понимаю людей юзающих nginx + apache mod_wsgi =\
[10:45:44] webninja: хм. мне вот очень-очень нужно сабдомены создавать. это же задача вебсервера? я же могу теоретически мапать site.ru/~username на username.site.ru?
[10:46:01] wiz_: webninja, да
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[10:46:10] wiz_: только наоборот же, не?
[10:46:13] slav0nic: в 21м веке можно всё
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[10:46:50] webninja: можно конечно, но не хочется после пары недель кодинга узнать что делал велик и можно используя X сделать в пару строк
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[10:47:21] webninja: wiz_ нет не наоборот 1ый вариант некрасивый и не используется (практически)
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[10:48:14] webninja: site.com/username - это профиль в социальной сети например но никак не почти отдельный сайт или блог.
[10:49:32] wiz_: не, я к тому чтобы мапить сабдомены во внутренние урлы т.к. джанга их не умеет
[10:50:07] bobry: товарищи, кто нить flask-babel пользовал?
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[10:53:53] webninja: wiz_ ага так и надо. я знаю как к примеру пхп сайты/движки делают. там через .htaccess
[10:55:07] wiz_: я вообще такое мидлварью делал
[10:55:15] webninja: в байтфлоу так
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[10:56:11] Typhon: ~username — красиво.
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[10:59:09] wiz_: сейчас красиво @username ):
[10:59:26] wiz_: кстати джанга эскейпит ~ в урлах... 7:
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[11:27:16] wiz_: охблеять
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[11:27:28] wiz_: пришёл кент админом фри устраиваться
[11:27:45] bobry: мм.. я шота не догоняю, у WTForms вообще нет аналога clean()?
[11:27:56] bobry: куда засунуть валидатор который проверяет несколько полей
[11:28:07] bobry: для LoginForm например
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[11:28:20] wiz_: опыт работы - 3 магазина.. типа продавцом. умеет: оператор эвм, нортон командер, лексикон 1.3, ворд 6, дб3, вин 3.1
[11:29:42] piranha: гы, кул
[11:29:56] piranha: bobry: да, по-моему это основная их лажа
[11:30:12] bobry: фигня блин, нужно в validate() руками менять _errors
[11:30:14] bobry: %)
[11:30:18] bobry: вот это рецепт
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[11:31:04] piranha: мдя
[11:31:05] piranha: лажа
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[11:31:30] bobry: http://groups.google.com/group/wtforms/browse_thread/thread/8382c40040b69702
[11:31:39] bobry: а еще их переводы не цепляются бабелем почему то..
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[11:35:15] piranha: bobry: а можно ж сделать сабформу, и потом еë валидировать в родительской форме
[11:35:23] piranha: хотя это несколько кривожопо
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[11:35:40] bobry: да не, ересь
[11:35:47] piranha: ога
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[11:40:23] nmk: wiz_: сколько лет чуваку?
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[11:41:39] wiz_: 27
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[11:42:21] nmk: взяли? :)
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[11:42:28] wiz_: думаем (8
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[11:43:39] bobry: wiz_, может обучите? еще не поздно вроде
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[11:43:44] bobry: если моск то есть
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[11:46:31] nmk: лексикон, да..
[11:47:02] bobry: :)
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[11:52:01] webninja: опыт работы - 3 магазина.. типа продавцом. умеет: оператор эвм, нортон командер, лексикон 1.3, ворд 6, дб3, вин 3.1
[11:52:03] webninja: ахаха
[11:52:06] webninja: это тролль
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[12:27:09] portnov: webninja: без знания досовского коммандлайна не нужен! ;)
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[12:35:04] _lorien: Как заставить пайлинт юзать python из #! строки?
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[12:38:59] jekel: ребят, как боротся с ошибкой джанги DatabaseError: SAVEPOINT can only be used in transaction blocks при ловле IntegrityError и rollback'e?
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[12:39:12] mishok13: фактически
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[12:39:57] _lorien: жалко, я тут решил pylint осовить, в новом проекте его юзают
[12:40:03] mishok13: разве что парсить сначала сам файл и запускать pylint через pythonX.Y /usr/bin/pylint ...
[12:40:16] mishok13: но это по-моему черезжопие
[12:40:22] _lorien: ну вот он ругается на импорты, они у меня в virtualenv
[12:40:41] piranha: поставь pylint в virtualenv
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[13:37:07] nmk: jekel: покажи код
[13:37:29] nmk: jekel: вообще там есть transaction.rollback_unless_managed()
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[13:37:54] jekel: описал http://softwaremaniacs.org/forum/django/28897/
[13:38:23] nmk: а у тебя вообще транзации используютя?
[13:38:26] nmk: или autocommit?
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[13:38:37] jekel: автокоммит, при ручных транзакциях тоже самое
[13:38:48] nmk: ну делай тогда что я сказал
[13:39:20] jekel: причем трейсбек показывает в середине File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/site-packages/Django-1.2.5-py2.6.egg/django/contrib/sessions/middleware.py", line 36, in process_response
request.session.save()
[13:39:39] jekel: и далее идут File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/site-packages/Django-1.2.5-py2.6.egg/django/contrib/sessions/backends/db.py", line 61, in save
sid = transaction.savepoint(using=using)
File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/site-packages/Django-1.2.5-py2.6.egg/django/db/transaction.py", line 229, in savepoint
connection._savepoint(sid)
File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/site-packages/Django-1.2.5-py2.6.egg/django/db/backends/__init__.py", line 56, in _savepoint
self.cursor().execute(self.ops.savepoint_create_sql(sid))

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[13:41:09] nmk: ну вообще rollback писать как ты пишешь тоже нельзя. есть же transaction.rollback()
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[13:41:31] nmk: transaction это django.db.transaction
[13:42:29] nmk: и читать http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.2/topics/db/transactions/
rollback_unless_managed() помог?
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[13:43:01] jekel: да, спасибо!
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[13:43:57] jekel: оно для каждого сейва транзакцию делает?
[13:44:16] jekel: просто на сколько оно откатится назад не ясно
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[13:44:55] nmk: ты посмотри исходники rollback_unless_managed
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[13:44:56] nmk: :)
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[13:45:15] nmk: а комит по дефолту, на сколкьо я помню, идет после каждой insert/update/delete
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[13:48:11] jekel: ну если на каждый сейв транзакция то не страшно, хотя в доке там внизу сказано что при ролбеке сейв что был до того где вылетел експешн потеряется
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[13:52:25] jekel: все замечательно, сейвы не теряются
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[15:19:06] wiz_: сколько django celery msg/s прогоняет с брокером на редисе?
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[15:24:56] nmk: может проще редис замерить?
[15:25:01] nmk: там не шибко много :)
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[15:27:10] wiz_: не шибко это сколько?
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[15:31:03] jekel: в каком случае джанго удаляет все связанные модели при model.delete() ?
[15:31:05] nmk: ну на get/set меньше чем мемкеш. но мемкеш с сишным драйвером и мультитредовый (вроде бы).
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[15:31:11] nmk: wiz_: сколько тебе надо? :)
[15:32:16] wiz_: 10к в минуту
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[15:34:38] nmk: ну это всего 166 в секунду
[15:34:41] nmk: справится я думаю :)
[15:35:04] nmk: справятся ли твои воркеры?
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[15:36:47] wiz_: ну там что-то типо прокси
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[15:43:47] slav0nic: jekel, в 1.3 есть поле у модели, для указания "а чё делать" если модель удаляется
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[15:48:49] jekel: slav0nic: для 1.2 сказано что оно делает каскадное удаление - т.е. удаляет записи на которые указывают внешние ключи модели, но по моему на самом деле так не происходит... мне нужно чтобы удалялась только сама модель без оглядки на связи - как этого добиться?
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[15:49:32] slav0nic: переписать delete() у модели
[15:49:53] slav0nic: и удалять FK на данную модель
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[15:50:22] slav0nic: вообще удаление в джанге не самая приятная вещь)
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[15:50:45] slav0nic: а что мешает обновиться до 1.3b1 ? и поставить флаг
[15:51:03] jekel: получаются вкрапления чистого sql нужны чтобы удалялось как надо..
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[15:51:31] slav0nic: получается иди читай доки
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[15:54:24] slav0nic: есть модель Post на которую есть ссылка с модели Topic в виде FK поля last_post c related_name `last_topic_post`
тебе надо в модели Post переопределить delete метод
аля
def delete(self, *args, **kwargs):
...
self.last_topic_post.clear()
super(Post, self).delete(*args, **kwargs)

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[15:56:42] slav0nic: jekel, ферштейн?
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[16:00:12] jekel: да, с этим понятно. все, я разобрался: джанга будет удалять другие объекты где во внешних ключах указан удаляемый мною объект
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[16:07:59] nmk: че-то мне sqlalchemy мозг рвет
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[16:09:27] jekel: nmk: с автокоммитом разобрался?
[16:09:38] nmk: да хер с ним, с автокоммитом
[16:09:56] jekel: а что тогда не так то с ней?
[16:10:05] nmk: да сессии мне немного мозг рвут
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[16:11:40] nmk: piranha: вы в сварге как сессии в sqlalchemy использовали? просто одну сессию заводили и всё? :)
[16:11:58] piranha: угу
[16:12:00] piranha: тредлокальную
[16:12:19] piranha: nmk: http://hg.piranha.org.ua/amalgam/file/b804748aca41/amalgam/backends/sqla/backend.py#l51
[16:13:14] nmk: ясн. спс
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I like the shiny steel and the polished wood.
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[17:01:12] piranha: блин, алхимия оказывается дико фейлит с бек референсами
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[17:01:32] piranha: они не запросы, а такие просто себе списки, которые сразу вытаскиваются из базы - их нельзя фильтровать :(
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[17:12:28] _lorien: чо за бэкреференсы? Типа как в джанге доступ по related_name?
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[17:15:55] Tony: я один считаю что pivotaltracker.com полная хуйня?
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[17:20:00] wiz: а что это за хуйня?
[17:20:10] wiz: очередной флоудок?
[17:20:14] _lorien: полная
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[17:20:30] wiz: а есть такая же, но не хуйня и бесплатная?
[17:20:31] slav0nic: с битбаскет интеграцией!
[17:20:40] slav0nic: а так - да, уйня
[17:20:46] slav0nic: с учётом что не шаровая)
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[17:21:22] _lorien: это трака вроде судя по описанию )
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[17:23:30] wiz: трак неудобный ):
[17:23:57] piranha: Tony: мне тоже кажется странным
[17:23:59] piranha: _lorien: да
[17:24:06] piranha: Tony: в смысле не кажется очень удобный
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[17:24:46] огыешсук: Что за фигня? /accounts/login/?next=/ работает в режиме тестирования, а с DEBUG=False редиректить и не думает?
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[17:26:04] Tony: piranha, вообще эталон на мой взгляд это что-то аля track/redmine/jira
[17:26:08] Tony: может я такой консерватор
[17:26:23] piranha: trac херовый по-моему
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[17:26:37] jekel: трек тормозной шопипец, имхо
[17:27:15] wiz: а на битбакете уже нет лимита на приватные репы?
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[17:28:57] nmk: piranha: да мне вообще что-то после джанговского орма алхимия тяжелой очень кажется. мне просто особо ничего от базы не надо
[17:29:10] jekel: есть storm
[17:29:13] _lorien: wiz, если и есть, то > 1 (как раньше было)
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[17:29:58] nmk: jekel: убуновский то?
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[17:30:26] jekel: nmk: https://storm.canonical.com/
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[17:39:09] огыешсук: Не, всё интереснее. /accounts/login/?next=/e/c/ не работает, а /accounts/login/?next=/e/ вполне работает
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[17:39:32] огыешсук: А в дебаг-режиме работает что угодно
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[17:41:35] piranha: nmk: ну, как минимум она разумнее сделана в куче мест, но да, есть такое
[17:41:49] piranha: и вот я еще смотрел на storm, надо еще смотреть, но он мне показался довольно адекватным
[17:42:01] piranha: хотя я и не ожидал, что когда-нибудь скажу такое про продукт от каноникал
[17:42:18] nmk: :)
[17:42:39] piranha: но я не очень внимательно смотрел, больше на код, надо еще думать
[17:42:42] jekel: а чем каноникал плох?
[17:42:47] piranha: он очень мало за тебя делает, что раздражает
[17:42:57] piranha: jekel: его продукты - феерически ужасны внутри и часто и снаружи
[17:43:06] piranha: лучшие два примера - bazaar и launchpad
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[17:54:10] wiz: BitBucket was acquired by Atlassian, and now offers unlimited number of private and public repositories.
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[18:16:05] wiz: а всё же, celery вебскейл или нет? (=
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[20:52:25] Tony: бля. какой пиздец однако haystack :\
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[20:55:49] огыешсук: есть лучше?
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[20:59:43] Typhon: кто python.el пробовал свежий? https://github.com/fgallina/python.el
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[23:00:54] slav0nic: мля) никто удалённо lenny до squeeze не апдейтил?)
[23:01:12] slav0nic: что-то мля на впсе 100 раз прокатывало, а тут какая-то жопа приключилась)
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[23:38:36] bobry: лол, мне одеск одному предложил на них поработать?
[23:38:37] bobry: _lorien, ?
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[23:38:53] gigimon: bobry: а ты много на одеске выполнил заказов?
[23:39:06] bobry: один
[23:39:19] gigimon: надо б наверн тож зарегаться
[23:40:04] bobry: и ведь отказать придется :(
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[23:40:14] bobry: написали бы они ну на пару недель раньше
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