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[09:48:58] Gap: товарищи, что делать с русскими символами в python 2.6? при любых действиях с ними (срез, отправка) строка меняет кодировку на непонятно какую и выводятся одни иероглифы
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[09:53:07] Gap: не винда
[09:53:10] Gap: мандрива
[09:53:23] dicos: тогда код покажи
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[09:59:23] wiz_: curl.setopt(pycurl.URL,
о, php-стайл...
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[10:04:38] Gap: так что делать? даже если задам строку в виде str = 'я люблю ебаться с кодировками в python' при любых операциях со строкой все перевирает
[10:04:47] nott: Gap я в коде русских символов не увидел.
[10:05:05] nott: поясни что ты подаешь на вход, что получаешь и что тебя не устраивает.
[10:05:20] Gap: nott: скрипт граббит строку с русскими символами
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[10:06:13] Gap: nott: на вход - строку с русскими символами, после любой операции с ними получаю кракозябры, у которых даже кодировка не определяется
[10:06:35] nott: почему не перевести строку сразу в юникод?
[10:06:44] nott: метод str.decode
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[10:07:11] Gap: секунду
[10:08:39] nott: строка в питоне 2.6 - это набор байт. какая кодировка у набора байт - неизвестно. можно лишь задать через окружение, как интерпретировать этот набор байт по умолчанию. но такой подход похож на магию.
юникод строка - это уже строка символов, их представление в памяти нас волновать не должно.
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[10:09:12] Gap: nott: спасибо огромное, все заработало
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[10:10:50] nott: под 2.6 я подразумевал 2.*
[10:11:13] piranha is now I like guns, I like the way they look,
I like the shiny steel and the polished wood.
[10:11:17] Gap: ага, а в третьем все строки по умолчанию юникод?
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[10:11:35] nott: в 3.1, если не ошибаюсь
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[10:12:33] nott: точнее, там появилось разделение на массив байтов (который не имеет кодировки) и строку. ну и строки в коде уже юникодные.
[10:13:14] Gap: жаль только что там большая часть модулей не работает
[10:13:42] nott: за что боролись :) вычистить язык - задача рискованная
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[10:25:34] mishok13: большая часть модулей?
[10:25:37] mishok13: это каких например?
[10:25:53] mishok13: учитывая, что джанга, нампай и многие другие уже спортированы
[10:26:48] wiz_: джанга работает на 3?.. и давно?
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[10:27:34] mishok13: вроде же MvL писал что есть бранч который на трёшке работает
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[10:27:54] mishok13: https://bitbucket.org/loewis/django-3k/
[10:27:55] mishok13: собсна
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[10:28:25] mishok13: на этом пайконе я думаю их прижмут насчет портирования
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[10:30:20] mishok13: в конце концов, sa портировали, psycopg2 портировали, в чем проблема с джангой, учитывая что wsgi на трёшке почти не поменялся?
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[10:40:54] slav0nic: на порт джанги под 3к вроде все забили
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[11:33:49] piranha: http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/algorithm/113804/
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[11:36:30] mishok13: луа хуюа
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[11:36:37] mishok13: всяко не рейтрейсеры на нём писать
[11:36:42] mishok13: для этого есть хаскиль
[11:36:42] piranha: очевидно
[11:36:57] piranha: просто в прошлый раз луа у него прососала у жабаскрипта, шо тупо
[11:37:04] mishok13: как там монгрель2 поживает, кстати, никто не в курсе?
[11:37:13] Typhon: олололо! бенчмарки!
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[11:37:23] piranha: mishok13: http://luajit.org/ext_ffi.html
[11:37:25] piranha: вот кстате зоцени
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[11:37:38] piranha: mishok13: зед хочет туда еще вебсокеты запилить
[11:37:45] piranha: в общем понемногу пилит, но пока ничего крупного
[11:37:56] piranha: я подумываю попробовать его заюзать для своих сайтов, интересно, как оно будет
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[11:38:22] mishok13: понятно
[11:38:28] mishok13: а меня кложура начала переть
[11:38:40] mishok13: сижу щелкаю project euler на ней
[11:39:05] piranha: а как с джавными либами?
[11:39:17] piranha: оно не очень уродливо, в лиспе длиннючие неймспейсы строчить?
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[11:40:24] mishok13: да пох
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[11:40:32] mishok13: после твистода уже не ощущаешь боли
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[11:40:50] piranha: :)))))
[11:41:03] piranha: http://mongrel2.org/timeline
[11:41:06] piranha: шото в общем ползëт
[11:41:16] piranha: mishok13: а скока оно памяти жрëт? безумно?
[11:41:52] mishok13: "Honey, I've been married 40 years and I raised 8 kids. What the hell is pain?"
[11:41:57] mishok13: как бы
[11:42:08] mishok13: по памяти я не смотрел даже :)
[11:42:17] mishok13: надо бы последить, между прочим
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[11:42:26] piranha: ага
[11:42:30] piranha: ты ффи в луаджите заценил или шо?
[11:43:19] mishok13: не заценил
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[11:43:31] mishok13: ну то есть, выглядит клёво, но я не верю в ffi
[11:43:50] mishok13: особенно с плюсовыми библиотеками
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[11:44:46] piranha: не юзай их
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[11:46:05] mishok13: тогда прийдется на джаве писать :(
[11:46:23] piranha: :)))
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[11:48:46] mishok13: http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/algorithm/113804/#comment_3662310
[11:48:47] mishok13: бля
[11:48:55] mishok13: хабродебилы
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[12:00:19] jekel: редмайн использует кто?
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[12:01:03] Typhon: использовует
[12:02:13] jekel: можно там сделать так, чтобы когда меняется статус задачи например на "тестирование" она переходила на другого участника проекта - тестера?
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[12:58:56] огыешсук: А поиск на сайте кто делал? Нужно не просто full text search по базе делать, но ещё и по джангошаблонам (там много полезного текста бывает). Это как? Нужно чтобы у поисковика был свой личный паук для обхода сайта?
[12:59:22] Ляпатяпа: да, неплохой вариант
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[13:01:16] огыешсук: А что за поисковик это умеет?
[13:01:32] Ляпатяпа: яндекс/гугл?
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[13:01:43] Ляпатяпа: с пауком я не знаю
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[13:02:19] Ляпатяпа: sphinx можно xml давать, так что можешь свое написать
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[13:02:32] огыешсук: А яндекс/гугл не умеют искать по моей локальной базе.
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[13:02:46] огыешсук: Нужно и по базе искать и по отрендеренным страничкам.
[13:02:57] огыешсук: То есть по любому свой личный поисковик.
[13:02:58] Ляпатяпа: я не подскажу такое
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[13:03:29] Ляпатяпа: sphinx можно научить из нескольких мест брать, но я с ним недоразобрался
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[13:06:32] Ляпатяпа: есть юзер линуксовый, надо чтобы в его домашнюю папку имел доступ только он и nginx, как это можно сделать?
[13:06:53] jekel: в одну группу нгинкс и пользователя
[13:07:05] огыешсук: addgroup nginx user
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[13:07:25] Ляпатяпа: я это сделал, не работает, а может надо nginx ребутнуть сначала
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[13:07:59] Ляпатяпа: после reload вроде работает, сейчас точнее посмотрю, может закешировалось
[13:08:17] Ляпатяпа: хе, работает
[13:08:36] xa4a: после изменения групп юзеру надо ему перелогиниваться. похоже, сервисам надо рестартоваться в этом случае
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I like the shiny steel and the polished wood.
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[13:25:49] quasiyoke: Есть ли способ делать seek(-1,1) в io.StringIO? IOError: can't do nonzero cur-relative seeks. У меня Python 2.6
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[13:27:28] quasiyoke: похоже -- делать ещё одну обёртку)
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[13:27:50] quasiyoke: надеюсь, обычные seek'и и tell'ы работают
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[13:46:20] quasiyoke: казлина, возвращает unicode! ну что это за хрень, если она ведёт себя совсем не как файл!
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[13:48:31] nott: quasiyoke а что плохого с юникодом?
[13:48:41] nott: codecs.open тоже возвращает впонле себе юникод
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[13:48:48] nott: и хорошо написанный код не заметит подмены.
[13:50:09] quasiyoke: у меня уже был велосипед, работающий с file. я ожидал, что подсуну ему StringIO и оно заработает без особых проблем, однако приходится городить враппер вокруг StringIO
[13:50:17] xa4a: import io; io.BytesIO ?
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[13:51:28] quasiyoke: xa4a, спасибо!
[13:51:47] xa4a: работает?
[13:51:50] quasiyoke: оказывается, это не имитатор file
[13:52:13] xa4a: файлоиммитатор, ага
[13:52:15] quasiyoke: from io import BytesIO as StringIO
сразу же заиграло
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[14:03:28] mishok13: бля, io рулит и педалит
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[14:03:58] mishok13: /me совершенно забыл об этом модуле
[14:05:31] xa4a: mishok13: где?
[14:06:02] mishok13: xa4a, что где?
[14:06:07] mishok13: где рулит или где забыл?
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[14:06:13] xa4a: где рулит
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[14:06:32] mishok13: да везде где тебе файлы надо эмулировать
[14:06:50] xa4a: а, хм. я его только что впервые увидел вообще. просто придумал BytesIO и в гугл вбил
[14:07:02] mishok13: я о нём помнил перед релизом 2.6
[14:07:08] mishok13: что было достаточно давно
[14:07:17] mishok13: а потом достаточно долго исключительно под 2.5 писал
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[14:23:06] огыешсук: Tony: а что лучше то?
[14:23:20] огыешсук: haystack вроде простой и работает, нет?
[14:23:36] Tony: огыешсук, да вот у меня проект гигантский
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[14:23:59] Tony: огыешсук, магии дохера. в итоге эта мутотень где-то конфликтует.
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[14:26:35] _lorien: !g haystack
[14:26:48] _lorien: блять )
[14:26:54] Tony: !g django haystack
[14:27:32] _lorien: Tony: а чо не заюзал напрямую какой-нить поисковик типа xapian (через djapian)
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[14:28:03] Tony: _lorien, сказали haystack это круто модно молодежно - надо юзать. теперь я имею секс.
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[14:28:10] Tony: ну и у меня solr
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[14:29:09] _lorien: в джанго хуй пойми чо с приложениями, начинают делать, потом бросают работу
[14:29:16] _lorien: хотя может.. так везде :D
[14:29:39] Tony: да у меня еще тут магии ебаной в проекте тьма, какие-то хитровыебаные схемы генерации запросов.
[14:29:49] Tony: в итоге включен solr у меня запросов в 5 раз больше идет.
[14:29:52] Tony: отключен нормально
[14:30:15] Tony: haystack тоесть
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[14:38:07] slav0nic: мож ты автоиндекс врубил? при сейве модели
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[14:40:22] Tony: неа
[14:41:04] Tony: проверил уже много раз. если делаешь HAYSTACK_ENABLE_REGISTRATIONS = False тогда нет такой проблемы.
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[14:41:13] Tony: однако при этом не работает update_index :)
[14:41:22] Tuarisa: Доброго времени суток. Есть какой быстрый и надёжный способ переконвертировать файл из utf-8 в cp1251? Построчно line.decode('utf8').encode('cp1251') спотыкается периодически на некоторых строках..
[14:41:40] Tony: может у тебя там не utf-8 ?
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[14:45:43] xa4a: может второй аргумент к .encode?
[14:45:50] xa4a: !pydoc unicode.encode
[14:45:56] xa4a: !pydoc str.encode
[14:46:03] xa4a: !pydoc encode
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[14:47:51] Tuarisa: Tony: там точно utf8. С ним справляется утилита HTML Changer, но использовать её неохота ради такой мелочи каждый раз. Да и мне нужен консольный режим. И сразу дофига файлов.
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[14:49:08] Tuarisa: про encode - decode брала здесь =) http://python.su/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=23513#p23513
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[14:53:35] nott: Tuarisa не любой utf-8 возможно привести к cp1251
[14:53:50] nott: некоторые символы невозможно закодировать
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[14:53:59] nott: поэтому у метода encode есть второй параметр
[14:54:39] nott: unicode.encode.__doc__ содержит много полезной информации
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[16:08:14] Tony:
if not results:
return u''.encode('utf-8')

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[16:11:08] _lorien: nmk, а чего ты не используешь эксепшны из urllib2 модуля?
[16:11:18] _lorien: Они вокруг IOError и HTTPException заворачиваются
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[16:11:43] _lorien: ещё socket.error может быть
[16:12:06] nmk: что-то я невижу ничего насчет HTTPException там
[16:12:09] _lorien: http://lorien.name/static/pub/6fcdbd13301a4d2c26bff6b50f33d99d.png
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[16:12:40] nmk: ну ты попробуй пошли кривой заголовок в ответ, посмотри какой эксепшн придет :)
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[16:13:20] _lorien: Ща времени нет (
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[16:14:09] nmk: а почему я IOError использую вместо URLError и правда не знаю. не помню почему вчера так написал..
[16:14:58] _lorien: а вроде тогда мимо пролетит socket.error
[16:15:05] _lorien: Если ты IOError юзаешь
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[16:16:55] nmk: socket.error от IOError
[16:17:08] nmk: если я ничего не путаю
[16:17:26] nmk: да. от IOError
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[16:57:00] jekel: в джанге при сохранении модели получаю в експешне IntegrityError - по одному из полей и делаю return, но внутри джанги гдето вылетает из-за этого DatabaseError: current transaction is aborted, commands ignored until end of transaction block - куда копать?
[16:57:43] Tony: это не сама джанга вобщет
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[16:58:07] jekel: она там переодически делает savepoint'ы внутри себя
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[16:58:21] jekel: в любом случае - куда копать то? )
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[16:58:37] Tony: фиксить integrity error
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[16:59:22] jekel: там уникальность по двум полям нарушается. т.е. предлагается сначала сделать селект - проверить, а потом тогда инсерт?
[16:59:35] Tony: почему бы и нет
[17:00:02] jekel: ну этож нелогично нехрена.
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[17:01:02] Tony: почему нелогично? ты же в транзакции все выполняешь
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[17:02:45] jekel: еще варианты есть как с этим бороться?
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[17:04:02] jekel: не логичность в том - зачем явно самому проверять уникальность, если это сообщает сама СУБД при нарушении оной
[17:04:15] jekel: и это происходит в неявной транзакции
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[17:04:35] Tony: вообще то что у тебя происходит идет корнями из psycopg2
[17:04:40] Tony: а точней из postgresql
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[17:05:07] jekel: там роллбек сделать надо при ошибке?
[17:05:57] Tony: лучше всего проверить на то что действительно ли нет таких записей в бд
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[17:16:08] jekel: нагуглил два решения - использовать сейвпоинты и отктываться на них при ошибке бд, либо закрывать коннект. мда.
[17:16:19] Typhon: jekel: rollback делай
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[17:16:48] Typhon: и посмотри на transactionmiddleware в джанге
[17:17:09] jekel: Typhon: с использованием сейвпоинтов? или весь код отправлять under transaction management?
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[17:21:30] Typhon: я в джангу не ездок, так что это не знаю :)
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[17:23:59] Tony: jekel, в любом случае. какое ты повидение ожидаешь от orm?
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[17:24:53] jekel: Tony: что оно догадается что где-то ранее был интегрити еррор и будет знать как себя вести дальше
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[17:27:45] Tony: jekel, такое ощущение что тебе надо что-то из сферы AI
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[17:33:08] jekel: Tony: тут смысл в другом, что джанга начинает делать сейвпоинты где-то дальше после ошибки. ну и вылетает с другой ошибкой - что транзакцию надо откатить ведь. а сама этого не делает, хотя работает на транзакциях
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[18:21:48] огыешсук: Кто haystack пользует? Он у меня почему то только по первой модели ищет, хотя зарегистрировано и проиндексировано две модели. Что не так?
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[18:29:40] _lorien: Вон Tony с ним ебётся
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[18:42:28] Tony: огыешсук, это зависит от того как зарегистрирована модель
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[18:43:08] огыешсук: А в чём тонкость?
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[18:43:11] огыешсук: Это два разных аппа.
[18:43:23] Tony: и у тебя один сайт на два разных апа?
[18:43:32] огыешсук: По модели в каждой зарегистрировано через search_indexes.py в папке аппа.
[18:44:04] огыешсук: В одной из моделей 312 элементов проиндексировано, в другой 38. SearchQuerySet().all().count() возвращает 312, то есть полностью игнорирует данные второй модели.
[18:44:36] огыешсук: Что есть "у тебя один сайт"? У меня много сайтов шарят одни и те же аппы.
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[18:47:02] огыешсук: Tony: не было такой проблемы? У меня ещё вошь бакендом.
[18:47:54] Tony: огыешсук, такой конкретно нет. у haystack есть несколько сайтов
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[18:49:50] огыешсук: что значат слова "у haystack есть несколько сайтов"? :o/
[18:49:58] Tony: haystack.site
[18:50:03] Tony: когда ты делаешь site.register
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[18:50:30] огыешсук: И?
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[20:26:24] bobry: на чем щас модно REST серверы писать?
[20:26:35] bobry: *кроме restish, который imo отвратителен*
[20:26:48] Tony: django-psiton?
[20:26:50] Tony: twisted?
[20:26:53] Typhon: фласком
[20:27:10] bobry: ну я пробую на фласке уже ага
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[20:27:21] Tony: bottle
[20:27:22] bobry: просто думал может альтернативы есть удобные
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[20:29:03] bobry: Tony, как ты себе это представляешь?
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[20:29:13] Tony: что именно?
[20:29:57] bobry: хм, там есть поддержка роутинга по методам как во фласке
[20:30:00] bobry: вроде реньше не было
[20:30:04] bobry: *раньше
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[20:32:18] Tony: bobry, хз. я с пол года на bottle, вроде есть такое.
[20:32:28] bobry: ну я давно его не трогал
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[20:39:41] slav0nic: bobry, https://github.com/toastdriven/django-tastypie
[20:40:00] slav0nic: а, те простое над
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[20:40:48] bobry: ага, у меня там монга, так шо всякие вкусности для джанги не подходят
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[20:41:04] slav0nic: django-nonrel)
[20:41:17] slav0nic: шота все модные стали, с монгами
[20:41:27] bobry: дык
[20:41:33] bobry: мне не нравится идея django-nonrel :)
[20:41:38] bobry: реализацию не видел еще
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[20:51:55] _lorien: /me курит mapreduce в монгобд
[20:52:18] _lorien: reduce = "function(key, values) {
var count = 0;
values.forEach(function(v) { count += v['count']; });
return {count: count};
}"
как-то многословно подсчитывается сумма списка
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[20:54:23] Tony: *РЕБЯТА НИКОГДА НЕ ЮЗАЙТЕ HAYSTACK ЭТО УЕБЕНЬ НАПИСАНА БЛЯДЯМИ ДЛЯ БЛЯДЕЙ!!!*
[20:54:29] bobry: ..
[20:54:45] Tony: извините. я не сдержался. 32 часа дебага.
[20:54:48] bobry: nothing wrong with whores
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[20:56:11] _lorien: печалька
[20:56:17] Tony: http://dpaste.com/423509/ как вам такое первое без haystack второе с haystack? remixed_object это обычный GenericForeignKey
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[20:57:08] Tony: каким макаром эта мутотень туда залазит не спрашивайте. моя не знать.
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[21:01:43] Tony: огыешсук, можешь у себя проверить?
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[21:16:25] огыешсук: Tony: поздно. Я уже забил на хайстак и успешно заюзал джапианчик.
[21:16:41] Tony: огыешсук, правильное решение
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