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[01:31:47] webninja: да чтож такое =( репо до сих пор не работает
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[01:42:04] Typhon: http://twitter.com/#!/asolovyov/status/38168038708613120
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[01:55:53] webninja: блиять
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[02:26:34] Typhon: а зачем тебе репка? ты себе не склонировал чтоли ещё то, что ты там используешь?
[02:26:54] Typhon: btw, надо предложить зеркалировать на гитхабе/битбакете/гдеугодно
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[02:31:12] mishok13_: под виндой бы такой хуйни не было!
[02:31:19] mishok13_: винда надёжна как сталь
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[02:41:19] Typhon: мишок ночью в чятике -- странно всё это, да и луна полная
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[02:41:29] mishok13_: :)
[02:44:29] webninja: Typhon: я там код смотрел и + как шпаргалку использовал для построения сайтов на cyrax
[02:44:54] webninja: а у меня в емакс кстати не ставит """ правильно """
[02:45:01] webninja: хм.
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[03:33:00] webninja: парни нет дизайнера толкового кто может нарисовать морду сайта?
[03:33:05] webninja: за $
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[09:19:18] gf: в какой переменной хранится заголовок текущей страницы в django-cms?
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[11:29:26] _lorien: gf: ты задолбал, смотри исходные коды :)
[11:29:44] _lorien: http://www.odesk.com/jobs/Python-large-clustered-data-processing_~~c5608cf3152c559d?sid=34001 прикольная вакансия, жаль у меня времени нет
[11:30:01] _lorien: и таймзон человеческий
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[11:34:04] deepwalker: а никто не находил хороший web форвардинг?
[11:34:14] _lorien: вотафака?
[11:34:27] deepwalker: ну с naked на www перекидывать
[11:34:38] nmk: nginx? :)
[11:34:48] deepwalker: не, не так - nging? :(
[11:35:02] _lorien: nging? вотафака? )
[11:35:03] deepwalker: потому ша мне ен хостинг нужен! а просто форвардинг
[11:35:13] jekel: а зачем?
[11:35:34] _lorien: а кто www будет обслуживать?
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[11:40:32] deepwalker: а www на GAE
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[11:40:47] webninja: - print, sign, scan, send NDA attached
[11:40:52] webninja: хм
[11:41:03] webninja: а что значит NDA?
[11:41:19] deepwalker: зачем зачем, затем что GAE naked домены не поддреживает раз, РФ не поддерживает два
[11:41:31] deepwalker: такая вот нескладушка
[11:41:31] webninja: рф отстой
[11:41:35] deepwalker: пф
[11:41:37] deepwalker: тебе да
[11:41:44] Typhon: ˙webninja non disclosure agreement

[11:41:45] deepwalker: а целевой аудитории - нет
[11:42:37] deepwalker: я долго думал и родил - мамгазин.рф
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[11:43:46] deepwalker: https://www.networksolutions.com/build-it/forwarding.jsp;jsessionid=81c3d821f6c330e20245a1275edb:0xLO
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[11:43:51] deepwalker: вот нашел, за 12 баксов
[11:43:55] deepwalker: мне кажется дорого
[11:43:58] nmk: deepwalker: так а нету рзве никакой конторы которая хостит dns и делает это?
[11:44:17] deepwalker: мой не поддерживает
[11:44:37] deepwalker: мне нужна таким образом отдельная услуга
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[11:44:52] deepwalker: ну в общем ясно с вами все : )
[11:44:55] nmk: а сколько эта усулга по твоему должна стоить? 13$ в год помоему ок.
[11:45:01] deepwalker: за каждый домен?
[11:45:03] deepwalker: ни разу не ок
[11:45:15] deepwalker: за пачку было бы ок
[11:45:35] nmk: ну возьми на каком-нить амазоне самый дешевый инстанс, повесь туда nginx :)
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[11:46:19] deepwalker: м, надо посмотреть
[11:46:25] nmk: deepwalker: в nic.ru 150р в год
[11:47:25] webninja: хм
[11:47:35] webninja: а че там на амазоне прям линукс клоуд?
[11:47:49] webninja: !g amazon s3
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[11:55:50] webninja: что это?
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[11:56:03] webninja: блин пытаюсь зарегаться кредитка нужна =(
[11:56:23] nmk: нужна.
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[11:59:54] _lorien: deepwalker: http://lorien.name/static/pub/7c7bf32cb62d6f8a7b0f3aaaa888a71f.png вот тут глянь, может то что тебе надо
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[12:08:37] deepwalker: _lorien, хм, мутновато : (
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[12:09:01] deepwalker: ищу дальше : )
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[12:21:35] nmk: а никто не встерчал где-нибудь таблички результатов для bonnie++ на различном желе с различными тестами? не очень понимаю с чем мои цифры сравнить..
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[13:56:39] nmk: а у кого-нибудь есть линукс запущенный в hyper-v? :)
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[14:06:21] _lorien: http://lorien.name/static/pub/33488002c345705c7dea2d7f54004268.png - какую аналогию означает термин "silo"?
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[14:42:45] _lorien: http://progit.org/book/ch3-0.html - yea, очень хорошо написано, кажется, я въеъал в ветки гитовые
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[14:55:49] chernysh.vadim: Здрасте всем! Можете помочь? Не понимаю одну вещь. Есть модель Project в Django, она имеет два поля date_published (DateTimeField) и days_remain (IntegerField). Первое поле - это дата публикации. А второе - это кол-во дней (int значение). Вопрос. Как выбрать все Project у которых (date_published + days_remain (т.е плюс n дней) и минус время сейчас будет меньше чем 24 часа.
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[14:56:07] chernysh.vadim: Я пытался сделать проперти, но в джанго нельзя фильровать по проперти
[14:56:12] chernysh.vadim: Помогите пожалуйста, советом
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[14:57:52] chernysh.vadim: Здесь без кастомного запроса не обойтись?
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[15:01:59] _lorien: замени поле days_remain на datefield окончания проекта :)
[15:02:03] _lorien: и фильтруй на здоровье
[15:02:53] chernysh.vadim: Дело в том, что уже поздно..
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[15:03:10] chernysh.vadim: ПРоект работает :)
[15:03:15] chernysh.vadim: Будет не легко сделать это
[15:03:20] _lorien: Почему нелегко?
[15:03:38] chernysh.vadim: Да просто он в продакшыне
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[15:04:33] _lorien: Дело твоё, конечно, но как бы запрос то ты тоже пишешь для продакшена, вот и предлагаю одно изменение другим заменить.
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[15:05:05] chernysh.vadim: Можно так сделать. WHERE (DATE_SUB(date_published + INTERVAL days_remain DAY) > (DATE_SUB(NOW()) - INTERVAL 24 HOURS) // это для mysql
[15:05:28] chernysh.vadim: вернее, там условие МЕНЬШЕ ЧЕМ
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[15:07:24] chernysh.vadim: Я почему не хочу изменять так, потому что уже много кода написано до меня, и используется именно именно так, дни записаны как число.
[15:08:03] chernysh.vadim: мне один запрос, выбрать те проекты, которые заканчиваются меньше чем через 24 часа
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[15:10:24] chernysh.vadim: Как вариант, создать поле, как ты написал выше, и просто его в продакшыне апдейтнуть для всех Проектов
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[15:16:27] _lorien: Да. Это будет самое простое и безопасное решение.
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[15:16:35] chernysh.vadim: Спасибо!
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[15:16:39] _lorien: Только не забудь в save() методе проставить его автоматическое вычисление
[15:16:47] chernysh.vadim: да да) это обязательно
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[15:54:19] darkillusion: вопрос по sqlite. если двое юзера решать внести изменение примерно в одно и тоже время в свой профиль на сайте, то у одного из них - не получится из за lock'a базы в sqlite?
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[15:57:00] jekel: если ты лок держать долго не будешь - должно все получится
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[16:58:37] Tony: кто в jquery киргиз?
[16:59:08] Tony: скажем есть у меня такое var myDiv = $('....').first(); как мне теперь найти все 'a' внутри этого дива?
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[17:00:49] Tony: .find('a') очевидно же блядь
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[17:02:16] jekel: Tony: еще рекомендуют использовать children()
[17:02:21] jekel: оно быстрее
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[17:02:34] Tony: children как раз ищет по прямым нодам. а то что где-то в глубине не найдет
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[17:03:33] jekel: там уровень вложенности ограничен просто
[17:04:37] _lorien: myDiv.empty();
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[17:22:00] tilarids: mishok13, а можешь еще раз дать линку на конфиг емакса? Я помню, у тебя там были плюшки для плюсов и все оно было в одном очень удобном файлике, а не аккуратно разложено по куче модулей, как у пираньи
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[17:48:35] _lorien: Как в git по быстрому понять разницу между локальной и удалённой ветками? Ну типа как `hg in`
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[17:55:11] tilarids: открываешь qgit4. И в нем видишь разницу между branch и remote/branch
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[17:58:51] огыешсук: как в джанге пропустить результат работа темлатетага через темплятефильтер?
[17:59:09] огыешсук: То есть есть таг {% tag arg %} как пропустить то что он выдаст через, например |escapejs
[17:59:11] огыешсук: ?
[17:59:35] Tony: можно сделать чтобы таг выплюнул результат в переменную
[17:59:39] Tony: для этого надо будет переписать таг
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[17:59:57] Tony: и это разве нет {% escapejs %} {% endescapejs %} ?
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[18:00:49] огыешсук: а разве есть?
[18:01:04] огыешсук: ok, а как заставить таг выплюнуть переменную?
[18:01:05] _lorien: qgit это какая-то гуйня? Это не для меня :)
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[18:01:27] Tony: gitk еще )
[18:01:48] Tony: огыешсук, перепиши таг. и сделай {% tag args args as var %}
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[20:22:58] Typhon: deepwalker, тебе в .рф нужен разумный домен, или короткий-чоткий? %)
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[20:28:13] deepwalker: Typhon, то есть?
[20:28:57] Typhon: ну то есть <название фирмы>.рф или <кровати>.рф или что-нибудь в духе хуяк.рф (хотя он запрещён, кажется
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[20:28:58] Typhon: )
[20:29:36] deepwalker: твоюмать.рф есть
[20:29:45] deepwalker: я ж придумал - мамгазин : )
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[20:30:08] deepwalker: про маму там занято буквально все
[20:30:18] Typhon: а, это ты всё со слингами
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[20:30:24] deepwalker: ага
[20:30:26] Typhon: а со слингами? :)
[20:30:37] deepwalker: я пока свой стартап строить не начал
[20:30:41] deepwalker: хм, мысль
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[20:31:28] deepwalker: там вообще нагло - все порегано на руцентр
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[20:31:33] deepwalker: весь словарь
[20:31:42] deepwalker: сквоттеры
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[20:33:31] deepwalker: слинги тоже
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[20:54:59] огыешсук: вай, кто-то кроме сквоттеров реально пользуется .рф?
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[20:59:55] Magister Yoda: возможно ли в ячейке БД хранить словарь?
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[21:02:51] Typhon: Magister Yoda, какой бд, какой словарь?
[21:02:58] Typhon: а вообще -- маршаллинг, сериализация
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[21:04:03] Magister Yoda: БД - SQL, словарь - обычный Питоновский
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[21:10:31] Magister Yoda: дак что? можно как-то или нет?
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[21:13:02] Typhon: [22:02:59] Typhon: а вообще -- маршаллинг, сериализация
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[21:13:36] Typhon: а ещё -- зачем ты хочешь хранить дикт в базе?
[21:15:16] Magister Yoda: в общем у меня два варианта, либо хранить словарь в одной ячейке, либо хранить ограниченное количество значений по количеству ячеек
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[21:16:02] Magister Yoda: то есть под каждое значение, которое могло бы быть просто в словаре - мне нужна ячейка
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[21:22:02] Typhon: а по какому признаку ты их вообще из "таблицы" вообще выделил и сгруппировал в словарь?
а так, например, если эти "колонки-из-словаря" никак не используются в логике, особенно в логике выборки/фильтрации данных, а нужны чисто для данных (возможно, для отдачи куда-то дальше), то сериализуй (в джсон, например) и храни в ячейке. если это смысловые поля "таблицы" и ты хочешь выбрать записи, потом использовать данных из словарей для какой-то фильтрации, ну или вообще с ними работать интенсивно, то, наверное, стоит добавить соотв. колонки в "таблицу".
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[21:23:39] Magister Yoda: понимаешь в чем проблема - я не знаю сколько их будет. то есть их потенциально неограниченное количество. именно поэтому надо как словарь или что-то подобное их хранить в БД
[21:23:49] Magister Yoda: что такое сериализация?
[21:24:04] Tony: у тебя точно ник не правильный
[21:24:07] Magister Yoda: а всё, вижу
[21:24:25] Magister Yoda: да-да. ты прям Петросян
[21:24:37] Typhon: а, ну тут можно модно сказать NOSQL!11!!
[21:25:00] Typhon: или просто джсон в виде колонки хранить, опять же, в зависимости от того, какие операции тебе надо делать над данными
[21:25:17] Typhon: nosql, а именно документоориантированные дб
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[21:26:15] Magister Yoda: что за джсон? djson?
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[21:27:30] Typhon: блин, ты как из танка :-) json
[21:27:44] Typhon: java script object notation
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[21:30:05] Tony: Magister Yoda, ты уверен что ты правильно сделал что пошел сюда спрашивать?))
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[21:31:41] Magister Yoda: я бы тебе ответил, но не хочу нарушать правила, в отличии от тебя
[21:32:10] Magister Yoda: Typhon: спасибо, завтра почитаю
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[21:49:00] Dukobpa3: Здравствуйте. Я в питоне новичек, посоветуйте ИДЕ какую-то, а то блокнот как-то не влохновляет :)
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[21:49:46] Typhon: emacs, vim
[21:49:57] Typhon: под виндовсом для начала (пока читаешь туториал) -- подойдёт idle
[21:50:20] Typhon: "влохновляет" -- классное слово, btw
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[21:50:51] Dukobpa3: )) таки да, хорошее) Только что придумал)
[21:50:58] Dukobpa3: ок, спасибо, гляну.
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[21:58:36] bobry: Typhon, ты окамл умеешь?
[21:59:32] darkillusion: ещё есть pythonwin --> http://sourceforge.net/projects/pywin32/files/pywin32/Build%20214/
[21:59:44] Dukobpa3: Typhon: а мне еще Spyder какой-то советовали, это что такое?
[21:59:57] Typhon: bobry, угу.
[22:00:25] Typhon: не, я вот чо думаю -- пока читаешь туториал -- идл -- отличная тема -- есть автокомплит и всё такое и ничего ставить не надо. параллельно разбираешься с вимом или имаксом
[22:00:28] _lorien: Dukobpa3: vim
[22:00:30] bobry: Typhon, какое чтиво отрекомендуешь для начала? я почитал краткий туториал с офф сайта -- до просветления далеко
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[22:00:59] bobry: ну как краткий, 50 стр примерно осилил
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[22:01:49] Typhon: bobry, http://gdsfh.dyndns.org/kamlo/OCamlFAQ
[22:02:12] Typhon: олсо, скромный чятик ocaml@c.j.r.
[22:02:41] Typhon: bobry, на вике первая ссылка ок, но что-то лежит (
[22:02:44] bobry: оке, мерси
[22:02:49] bobry: лежит, ага
[22:02:59] bobry: а книженция такие какая норм?
[22:03:13] Typhon: bobry, http://mirror.ocamlcore.org/ocaml-tutorial.org/index.html
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[22:05:20] Typhon: bobry, http://caml.inria.fr/pub/docs/oreilly-book/html/index.html ничо так. но свежих книг нету, поэтому офф доки надо под рукой держать.
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[22:06:45] bobry: спасибо, а там какие то изменения серьезные были в языке за последние 5 лет?
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[22:09:09] Typhon: да не, first class modules разве что в последней версии. + книжки не освещают почти всякие тулзы типа камлофайнда, камлобилда и тем более оазиса
[22:09:38] bobry: оо, таки first class
[22:09:53] bobry: круто, а то я почитал шо они не first-class в туториале и расстроился
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[22:11:10] Dukobpa3: Загуглил про вим с емаксом. Они под CygWin тока на вынь идут, мало желания его ставить. Видимо буду нотепад++ плагинами мучать.

Мож еще варианты какие есть?
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[22:11:57] Typhon: Dukobpa3, winemacs нормально ставится
[22:12:16] deepwalker: Dukobpa3, vim отлично идет под вынь
[22:12:17] Typhon: без, прости госпади, цигвина
[22:12:19] deepwalker: гугли дальше
[22:12:29] bobry: эм, зачем емаксу то cygwin?
[22:12:41] bobry: /me ставил без него и все ок было
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[22:13:30] Dukobpa3: мож плохо нагуглил, погляжу еще. На офф-сайте написано так. я XEmacs смотрел.
[22:13:51] bobry: Dukobpa3, смотри GNU Emacs
[22:14:03] Typhon: http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/windows/faq.html
[22:15:34] _lorien: виму не нужен цигвин
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[22:19:56] Dukobpa3: всем спасибо, буду гуглить дальше)
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[22:21:12] Dukobpa3: http://ourcomments.org/Emacs/EmacsW32.html

Вот такое нашел
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[22:25:28] Dukobpa3: блин, это только либа какая-то. Короче, я понял. Ушел.
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[22:25:59] Dukobpa3: спасибо
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[22:30:17] darkillusion: как в web.py загрузить модуль в сам темплейт? допустим модуль re. делаю вот так:
#main.py
render = web.template.render('templates/', globals={'re': re})
app = web.application(urls, globals())
выдаёт ошибку -> 'dict' object is not callable
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[22:31:44] darkillusion: читал: http://webpy.org/cookbook/template_import
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[22:32:52] _lorien: зачем в шаблон загружать модуль re o_O
[22:33:11] _lorien: и зачем вообще использовать web.py - он ещё не умер? :)
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[22:35:12] darkillusion: мне нужно вывести красиво в темплейт данные поэтому пользуюсь re и $code:
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[22:36:08] darkillusion: мне понравилось его простота, джанго не посиле да и он танк
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[22:36:54] Typhon: вроде полно ща микрофреймворков свежих
[22:37:12] deepwalker: и шаблоняторов
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[22:38:37] darkillusion: кста, последние обновление February 03, 2011 (взято с github'a). так что пока он ещё жив :p
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[23:36:40] deepwalker: darkillusion, это недоразумение ;-)
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[23:36:55] deepwalker: просто автор отказывается верить в свершившееся
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[23:37:42] darkillusion: нее, в google-discussions походу тогда одни некрофили ?
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[23:37:50] darkillusion: -__-
[23:38:21] darkillusion: там тоже есть активность
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