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[00:15:57] superbobry: товарищи, ejabberd умеет логи показывать через веб? 
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[00:18:28] Typhon: http://chatlogs.jabber.ru/ocaml@conference.jabber.ru/2011/02/22.html  ну вот, например, хз ежаберд это или какая-то отдельная тулза 
[00:18:43] Typhon: попинай ermine %) 
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[00:26:59] asou: http://dumpz.org/35445/
 
[00:27:11] asou: Не подскажите как сделать это же прямее? 
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[00:28:46] superbobry: asou: ModelForm из коробки умеет файлы 
[00:28:56] py_two:  i++
      ^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax 
[00:29:05] py_two: что, такого питон не понимает ?:) 
[00:29:07] superbobry: + ты можешь указать свою функцию для имени 
[00:29:20] superbobry: ffs, +=1 в общем 
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[00:30:58] py_two: ок 
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[00:34:08] py_two: пришел с другого языка в питон. Навскидку сверстал первый код, что тут с точки зрения питона можно оптимизировать ?
https://privatepaste.com/8448c726c1 
[00:34:34] py_two: просьба сильно не ругать, прочитано 125 страниц книги только 
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[00:35:45] superbobry: ну, первую функцию можно написать в две строчки 
[00:35:56] superbobry: import os.path; os.path.splitext(fname) 
[00:36:45] py_two: /me в шоке:) 
[00:37:00] superbobry: а еще, разве os.walk() возвращает file objects? 
[00:37:07] superbobry: там наверное список строк 
[00:37:15] superbobry: соответственно len(file) нефига не размер файла будет 
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[00:37:50] Joes: там все переписать надо :-) 
[00:38:01] Joes: цикл внутри for - нафига там i? 
[00:38:08] superbobry: ну первую функцию заменить на splitext и все 
[00:38:13] Joes: for name in files: 
[00:38:28] Joes: и вперед 
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[01:04:04] py_two: Joes: вышло так: https://privatepaste.com/ff85a6d638 
[01:04:26] py_two: что ты ты там говорил про  for name in files ? 
[01:04:28] Joes: еще раз - нафига тебе sza = len(files) 
[01:04:31] Joes: while 
[01:04:33] Joes: и т.д. 
[01:04:42] Joes: for name in files: 
[01:04:49] Joes: и name уже содержит твое имя файла 
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[01:05:04] Joes: от него уже и делай splitext 
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[01:07:00] piranha: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/fqf2f/how_we_made_github_fast/c1hvytd 
[01:07:12] py_two: Joes: просто вот в чем загводка. Если проставить print len(files) в цикле for, то имеем следующее: 
Укажите директорию, которую нужно пропарсить!
9
0
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[01:07:46] Joes: ну и что? 
[01:07:54] Joes: у тебя цикл лишний 
[01:08:10] Joes: в смысле - sza, i вообще лишние 
[01:08:18] Joes: как и while 
[01:08:22] piranha: py_two:
for path, dir, files in os.walk(path):
    for name in files:
        print name 
[01:08:27] piranha: всë 
[01:09:23] superbobry: тут кошерную библиотеку зарелизили 
[01:09:30] superbobry: если кто вдруг планету не читает 
[01:10:25] superbobry: http://kennethreitz.com/blog/introducing-requests/ 
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[01:10:57] piranha: конвору читать надо 
[01:13:07] py_two: Joes: 7 строчек кода. Пипец 
[01:13:12] py_two: я не верю! 
[01:13:40] Joes: py_two: советую смотреть доки питона 
[01:13:51] Joes: большинство операций уже написали до 
[01:14:03] py_two: Joes: да, верно говоришь 
[01:14:05] Joes: особенно советую всякие itertools посмотреть 
[01:14:14] Joes: и functools 
[01:14:19] Joes: там очень много полезного 
[01:14:33] py_two: да хотя бы книгу одну прочитать:) 
[01:15:32] py_two: Joes: вот, еще хотел спросить. Если прикрутить это к raw_input(), то получается если у меня будет входной параметр d:\, то функция не отработает т.к ей нужен двойной слеш, есть что-то, чтобы проверять входной параметр и чекать его ? 
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[01:15:44] Joes: ээ 
[01:15:59] Joes: а почему двойной слеш? 
[01:16:07] Joes: это если ты в исходном файле строку пишешь 
[01:16:11] Joes: нужно эскейпить слеши 
[01:16:19] Joes: если оно пришло из консоли - так и будет. 
[01:16:24] Joes: просто юзай напрямую и все. 
[01:16:29] Joes: /away sleep 
[01:16:51] asou: Мне нужно было не просто загрузку файла сделать, а записать в БД несколько файлов из одного загруженного. До сих пор что-то не могу справиться. 
[01:18:31] py_two: Joes: ок, спасибо 
[01:18:50] asou: Единтсвенное работающее решение пока, до которого дошел — сохранять файлы в папке загрзок прямо из вьюхи. 
[01:19:18] asou: Но при этом с какого-то фига там сразу 4 файла одинаковых сохраняются вместо одного. 
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[01:20:48] asou: Вот ссылку на код перепощу http://dumpz.org/35445/ 
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[01:33:14] py_two: Joes: еще один, последний на сегодня вопрос: есть какая-то функция, которая из текстовых файлов слова вырезает ? 
[01:33:41] py_two: это конечно наглость, но раз такая пруха по компактности кода пошла 
[01:33:51] asou: .replace(u"слово", u"") 
[01:34:05] asou: Я не Joes, зато я не ушел спать 
[01:35:07] py_two: я не имел ввиду замену, а просто каждое слово вырезать и составить из него список 
[01:35:12] py_two: чтобы потом можно было реплейсить 
[01:35:32] asou: Текст на слова разделить? 
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[01:35:44] py_two: открываю текстовый файл, так ? 
[01:35:55] py_two: инициирую пустой список 
[01:36:02] py_two: вырезаю слова и заполняю им список 
[01:36:09] py_two: вернее формирую 
[01:36:17] py_two: далее применяю реплейс к списку 
[01:36:21] py_two: что пропустил ? 
[01:36:34] asou: .split(" "), если тебя пробел в роли единственного разделителя слов устраивает 
[01:36:42] asou: реплейс к списку не применяют 
[01:37:10] asou: если хочешь заменить что-то в тексте, используй просто .replace на нем 
[01:37:17] py_two: а если с эксклюзив лист ?:) 
[01:37:32] py_two: тобишь вырезать нужно теги html допустим 
[01:37:50] asou: Смотри в сторону регулярных выражений. 
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[01:38:10] asou: А вообще да, неплохо бы хотя бы с одной книжкой по питону ознакомиться. 
[01:38:25] py_two: да 
[01:38:36] py_two: спасибо за советы 
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[09:45:26] webninja: лориен тут? 
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[09:46:01] webninja: есть спецы по xpath? 
[09:46:09] webninja: <div class="info"><a href="showthread.php?threadid=3391833" class="thread_title">fdfds 
[09:46:14] webninja: от такая штука 
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[09:46:48] webninja: я вроде разобрался как взять href и тайтл между <a></a> 
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[09:47:36] webninja: но таких элементов несколько т.е. мне нужно 2а цикла чтоли сторить чтобы занести данные в dict? 
[09:49:08] xa4a: что ты хочешь? 
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[09:50:02] webninja: можно xpath сразу 2а вытащить элемента? 
[09:50:18] webninja: т.е. аттрибут и тайтл чтобы все это в кортеже было 
[09:50:39] webninja: for href, title in g.xpath(...) 
[09:50:46] webninja: как нибудь так 
[09:51:26] xa4a: нет. xpath вытаскивает только xml-элементы, не аттрибуты 
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[09:51:34] piranha: for elem in g.xpath(): print elem.href, elem.title может? 
[09:53:35] webninja: аттрибуты тоже вытаскиевает 
[09:53:51] webninja: //div[@class="info"]/a/@href вот так 
[09:54:02] xa4a: странно 
[09:54:06] webninja: piranha не не катит ) 
[09:54:12] xa4a: ну тогда там какой-то or был, вроде 
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[09:54:29] piranha: чего вдруг не катит? 
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[09:54:36] xa4a: map(elem.attrs, ['href', 'title']) 
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[09:54:43] piranha: я тебе не рецепт, а идею дал 
[09:54:45] xa4a: !g xpath 
[09:54:50] webninja:   File "<stdin>", line 45, in <module>
  File "<stdin>", line 39, in test_run
AttributeError: 'HtmlElement' object has no attribute 'href' 
[09:54:54] webninja: я читаю уже 
[09:54:57] piranha: ну пиздец, не гони 
[09:55:03] webninja: есть | ща попробую 
[09:55:06] piranha: я lxml руками в жизни не трогал 
[09:55:16] piranha: но чтоб нельзя было как-то атрибут найти - я тупо не верю 
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[09:55:51] webninja: оооо с мап щаз попробую 
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[10:00:06] webninja: сделал через | 
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[10:30:35] webninja:     for item in g.xpath('//div[@class="info"]/a'):
        print item.text
        print item.xpath("@href")[0] 
[10:30:40] webninja: можно и так ) 
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[10:44:10] _lorien: а чо надо, а то лень читать что вы написали ) 
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[10:44:58] _lorien: если аттрибуты, то elem.get('href') или elem.attrib['href'], ну можно и через xpath, да 
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[10:46:11] webninja: я граб юзаю твой 
[10:46:21] webninja: там шорткут к tree.xpath 
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[10:47:59] py_two: доброе утро. Добавте меня в список постоянных посетителей, чтобы капчу не вводить 
[10:48:18] Murkt: *добавьте 
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[10:51:29] piranha: какую в сраку капчу? 
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[10:51:37] webninja: как какую 
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[10:51:39] piranha: silent_bob: когда тебя хача поправит уже? 
[10:51:49] webninja: jabber.ru просит каждый раз если тебя не зарегали тут или че 
[10:51:54] piranha: вово, или я тебя вскрою 
[10:52:01] piranha: webninja: да я ж вроде отключил всякую лажу 
[10:52:19] webninja: это видимо фишка джаббер ру 
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[10:53:30] mishok13_: дык может мэжикпони будет мембера сразу автоматом раздавать тем кто голос получил? 
[10:53:41] webninja: ага 
[10:53:55] webninja: ваще неудобно пипец я на python канале так и не зарегался 
[10:54:12] mishok13_: меня туда так и не пустили 
[10:54:17] mishok13_: видимо я плохо питон знаю 
[10:54:25] piranha: mishok13_: Михаил, оно вам нужно? 
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[10:54:30] piranha: :D 
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[10:55:02] Murkt: =))))))) 
[10:55:04] webninja: а где был вопрос про деббагер? 
[10:55:16] webninja: сюда вроде 
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[11:10:50] mishok13_: """oDesk: Hot Contractor Tips from Paris Hilton?""" 
[11:10:58] slav0nic: ага 
[11:11:06] mishok13_: втф 
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[12:43:00] cryptspirit: день добрый. Знает кто как получить "статус" копирования при использовании shutil? 
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[12:56:40] _lorien: cryptspirit: копируй пофайлово и рисуй прогресс сам или у тебя один файл? 
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[13:12:47]  cryptspirit is now Toxicity )))) The Breaker New Waves 
[13:13:04] cryptspirit: а если файл большой? 
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[13:14:39] wiz: копируй сам блоками 
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[13:16:50] cryptspirit: думал сделать на dd стоит это делать? 
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[13:18:33] wiz: нет 
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[13:19:54] wiz: стоит перестать заморачиваться на всякой фигне 
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[13:21:16] _lorien: cryptspirit: можешь копировать с помощью cp, если ей послать сигнал специальный, то она выплюнет информацию о том, сколько скопировано 
[13:21:25] _lorien: почитай, в гугле про это писали 
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[13:23:27] wiz: или rsync --progress 
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[13:25:43] _lorien: А можно ли на битбакете исключить себя из writerов проекта? Если я не админ и у меня нет доступа к интерфейсу редактирования пользователй проекта? 
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[14:06:59] cutwater: у меня вопрос 
[14:07:10] Typhon: 42 
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[14:07:16] cutwater: а можно как-нибудь вырубить CSRF миддлварь в django только для одного app 
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[14:09:58] superbobry: cutwater: можно для вьюшки вырубить 
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[14:13:06] py_two: гм, только что до меня дошло, что  1 << 8 тоже самое, что 2 ** 7 =) 
[14:13:15] py_two: забавно 
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[14:16:03] superbobry: ... 
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[14:19:42] mishok13_: ничего забавного 
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[14:20:37] wiz: а ещё pass тоже самое, что 'pass' 
[14:20:41] wiz: так то! 
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[14:45:54] cryptspirit:  _lorien: вы явно путаете cp и dd. у меня уже как неделю есть программа которая так с dd копирует 
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[15:25:29] py_two: что хотел спросить. Есть ли какой-то глобальный репазиторий, в котором собраны бинарные пакеты либ для питона ? 
[15:25:36] py_two: типа pycurl, pycuda 
[15:25:38] py_two: уес 
[15:25:40] py_two: etc 
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[15:26:06] maxp: в каком смысле бинарные? 
[15:26:16] py_two: прямом 
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[15:26:33] py_two: где полностью готовый инсталяционный пакет 
[15:26:37] maxp: в виде *.pyc ? 
[15:26:40] maxp: :) 
[15:26:53] py_two: к примеру pycurl идет только сорс, нужно собирать gcc модуль 
[15:26:56] maxp: инсталляционный пакет под какую платформу? 
[15:27:02] maxp: платформы разные бывают 
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[15:27:15] py_two: вин32 платформа 
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[15:28:03] maxp: не слыхал про такое 
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[15:28:13] maxp: когда надо было, искал отдельно дллки 
[15:28:22] maxp: под pyserial например 
[15:28:40] maxp: можно поискать в районе activestate 
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[15:28:48] maxp: они делали всякое под win32 
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[15:29:18] py_two: ну там же не нахаляву;) 
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[15:30:17] py_two: ладно, не буду заморачиваться. Пока что не до этого 
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[15:30:36] py_two: позже или сам соберу или буду искать бинарный пакет 
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[15:31:06] maxp: Looking for more Python packages and modules? Download ActivePython Community Edition then launch PyPM <http://code.activestate.com/pypm>. 
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[16:12:42] quasiyoke: хороша идея urls.py в django -- мне стразу понравилось делать регулярные выражения для django.confs.urls.defaults 
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[16:13:51] quasiyoke: только вот чаще всего в проектах структура ссылок в проектах иерархическая 
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[16:14:33] quasiyoke: почему бы не придумать обработчик составленного разработчиком xml-описателя структуры ссылок в проекте 
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[16:14:56] quasiyoke: к тому же к ссылке должно быть привязано имя секции проекта 
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[16:15:52] quasiyoke: у меня сложной кашей sorteddict'ов сделано нечто подобное 
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[16:16:46] quasiyoke: только вот неправильно это. Быть может есть готовые совершенные решения? 
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[16:17:39] quasiyoke: "совершенные" решения* 
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[16:21:46] Typhon: quasiyoke, если я правильно тебя понимаю, то во фласке что-то такое есть -- модули (со своим урлом, как стартовой точкой) и функции в этих модулях (с урлом, внутри модуля).
mod = Module('account')
mod.view_func('user') => 'account/user'
типа того. (а иксмеель гогно) 
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[16:22:14] py_two: maxp:хотите сказать, что я должен перейти на это Г типа активпитон ? 
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[16:23:28] maxp: вот уж не знаю 
[16:23:34] quasiyoke: typhon: Спасибо, хорошо: поищу что-то в эту сторону. 
[16:23:47] maxp: но когда я делал питонячьи программки под Вынь меня активстейт вполне устраивал 
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[16:23:59] cutwater: py_two: э... но зачем. обычно есть таки бинарные сборки для нужных пакетов? каких не хватает? 
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[16:25:50] py_two: pycurl, остальное вроде как нашел 
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[16:26:38] cutwater: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1582814/pycurl-installation-on-windows 
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[16:27:56] py_two: cutwater : а ничего, если я поставлю на 2,7 пакет от 2,6 ? 
[16:28:02] cutwater: чего 
[16:28:16] cutwater: увы таки самый простой вариант таки поставить компилятор 
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[16:28:39] maxp: помнится у меня pyserial для 2.5 не поехал на 2.6 
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[16:29:14] cutwater: по идее того же mingw должно хватить. или студию express поставить 
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[16:30:12] py_two: import pycurl
ImportError: DLL load failed: Не найден указанный модуль. 
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[16:30:33] py_two: ладно, пока не горит:) 
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[16:31:22] cutwater: вообще плохо то что авторы не предоставляют сборок для win 
[16:31:28] superbobry: арвв, empathy опять не шлет мои сообщения гат такой 
[16:31:36] Typhon: superbobry, gajim 
[16:31:39] superbobry: в общем на коня pycurl 
[16:31:41] cutwater: Psi+ 
[16:31:49] py_two: superbobry: psi+=) 
[16:31:58] py_two: tkabber 
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[16:32:24] superbobry: tkabber это для совсем хк пацанов 
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[16:37:01] maxp: cutwater: авторы, возможно, Вынь только в кино видели :) 
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[16:39:38] cutwater: =) 
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[16:43:33] maxp: недавно читал нечто подобное про кроссплатформенность 
[16:43:57] maxp: от первого лица великого и могучего создателя erlyvideo 
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[16:44:13] maxp: диалог 
[16:44:46] maxp: - юзер: а почему Вы не развиваете свой проект под вин32? 
[16:45:02] maxp: - макс: да мне это как бы нафиг не уперлось 
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[16:45:34] maxp: - Как же, как же! Но это же не кроссплатформенно! и не как принято в опенсорсе!!! 
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[16:45:47] maxp: - хотите заказать мне разработку под Вин32? 
[16:45:49] maxp: - .... 
[16:46:06] maxp: "вы алчный и самовлюбленный жмот..." 
[16:46:09] cutwater: :-D 
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[16:46:26] maxp: воспроизвел по памяти, как получилось :) 
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[16:51:28] Darth Лис: maxp: правильно он сказал 
[16:52:21] superbobry: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=596077 
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[16:54:55] xa4a: quasiyoke: include() ? 
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[16:58:27] quasiyoke: xa4a: о чём вы? об импорте модулей? 
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[17:00:26] quasiyoke: xa4a: нашёл какой-то url dispatcher 
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[17:00:40] xa4a: да 
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[17:00:50] xa4a: об инклуде урлконфов 
[17:01:06] xa4a: http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/topics/http/urls/#including-other-urlconfs 
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[17:03:54] quasiyoke: хорошо, спасибо, я ещё почитаю. Но, возможно, попробую написать xml для собственного проекта и может быть, глядя на него, напишу его обработчик. Урлконфы не позволяют задать имя для страницы 
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[17:04:08] quasiyoke: А если проект захочется и18вать 
[17:04:52] quasiyoke: ...то xml -- одно из немногих верных решений 
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[17:05:43] superbobry: xml для i18n? 
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[17:07:59] quasiyoke: superbobry: иксемел потомучто внутри будет иерархия, а не просто так. Быть может я вас недопонял, конечно. 
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[17:08:48] superbobry: речь идет об i18n строк в питоновском коде, я правильно понимаю?  
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[17:09:32] quasiyoke: не только. 
[17:09:36] superbobry: к слову в JSON / yaml будет такая же иерархия и бонусом читаемость 
[17:10:08] quasiyoke: и надписей в шаблонах... да, и больше ничего 
[17:10:23] superbobry: у джанго есть стандартные средства для этого 
[17:10:28] superbobry: на основе gettext 
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[17:13:16] quasiyoke: superbobry: Я никогда не смотрел, что есть в модулях интернационализации там... посмотрю, спасибо 
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[17:14:00] superbobry: ну там вполне все цивильно, к тому же gettext  
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[17:26:27] DrTiBiBo: Всем привет! Есть вопрос по WMI. 
[17:26:40] DrTiBiBo: for os in c.Win32_Process():
    print os.Caption
    os.GetOwner(myuser, dom)
    print myuser 
[17:26:48] DrTiBiBo: это мой кусок программы 
[17:26:57] DrTiBiBo: Выдает ошибку
System Idle Process
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "Hello.py", line 15, in <module>
    os.GetOwner (myuser, dom)
NameError: name 'myuser' is not defined
Что не так? 
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[17:28:06] DrTiBiBo: если объявляю myuser = dom = None или "" - выдает пустые строчки вместо юзера 
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[17:30:57] quasiyoke: DrTiBiBo: не использовал нужных вам библиотек, но правильно ли я понимаю, что вы хотите проинициализировать переменную myuser, указав её в аргументах функции? 
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[17:31:26] DrTiBiBo: Это метод, а не функция 
[17:31:49] DrTiBiBo: Метод получает учетные данные владельца (имя пользователя и имя домена), под которыми работает процесс, и возвращает 0, если операция была успешной, или код ошибки. Параметры:
    * User - выходной параметр, куда система помещает имя пользователя.
    * Domain - выходной параметр, куда система помещает имя домена или компьютера. 
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[17:32:02] DrTiBiBo: Может я туплю 
[17:32:19] _lorien: видимо тупишь 
[17:32:34] _lorien: os.GetOwner (myuser, dom) - тут передаёшь переменную, ты её ещё не определил 
[17:32:51] DrTiBiBo: хорошо. Как определить? 
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[17:33:15] _lorien: вопрос в другом, ты пытаешься сделать что-то, что скорее всего неправильно 
[17:33:20] _lorien: это не с, тут нету передачи указателей 
[17:33:26] _lorien: вернее есть в случае мутируемых объектов 
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[17:33:35] _lorien: но у тебя там похоже то ли число то ли строка 
[17:33:45] quasiyoke: решите, что должно передаваться как аргумент функции (метода) и найде, откуда "взять" нужное вам значение 
[17:33:46] _lorien: а это немутируемые объекты, или как там правильно перевод звучит ) 
[17:34:02] DrTiBiBo: Обе переменные стринг 
[17:34:08] _lorien: DrTiBiBo: в общем, прочитай книжку по питону ) 
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[17:34:11] quasiyoke: _lorien да и в си прежде всего инициализация 
[17:34:37] DrTiBiBo: _lorien: а что конкретно? 
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[17:34:55] quasiyoke: первые три главы обязательно 
[17:35:08] Typhon: !wtf tutorial 
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[17:35:48] _lorien: DrTiBiBo: http://www.books.ru/shop/books/816603 
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[17:37:05] Typhon: DrTiBiBo, http://starship.python.net/~skippy/win32/ -- этот модуль?  
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[17:37:18] DrTiBiBo: Вы меня извините, конечно. Но на форуме есть тема с 2007 года с таким же вопросом. Там никто так и не ответил. Я перерыл все, что можно.  
[17:37:52] DrTiBiBo: Примеров куча на С, С++, VB, C#, а на питоне нету 
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[17:38:22] DrTiBiBo: на шарпе пробовал этот метод вызывать - все в порядке. А на питоне никак 
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[17:38:37] _lorien: ну так ты книжку то прочитай :) 
[17:38:41] Typhon: да потому что питон поделка, точно 
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[17:39:31] DrTiBiBo: Г. Россум, Ф.Л.Дж.Дрейк, Д.С.Откидач
Язык программирования Python 
[17:39:37] DrTiBiBo: я эту изучал 
[17:39:45] quasiyoke: /me призывает администрацию @pythonua не платить зарплату за отвечанье на вопросы в этом месяце всем участникам конференции 
[17:40:16] quasiyoke: недорабатываете. 
[17:40:25] DrTiBiBo: quasiyoke: согласен 
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[17:40:40] quasiyoke: отлично 
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[17:41:52] DrTiBiBo: можно просто на примере другом показать, как работают подобные методы. 
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[17:42:27] DrTiBiBo: или функции, но с выходными параметрами 
[17:42:48] quasiyoke: DrTiBiBo: все функции (в том числе и методы) "хотят", чтобы им передали хоть какое-то (хоть None) но значение 
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[17:43:14] xa4a: DrTiBiBo: myuser = 'VasiaPupkin' 
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[17:43:23] xa4a: f' 
[17:43:24] xa4a: аэ 
[17:43:25] xa4a: nvm 
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[17:44:20] DrTiBiBo: но если я передаю значение None - оно наким же и остается. Метод не присваивает новое значение 
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[17:45:10] quasiyoke: NameError: name 'myuser' is not defined -- это означает, что вы используете переменную, которая не была проинициализирована попробуйте >>> print myuser # тоже не выполнится 
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[17:45:59] DrTiBiBo: значит в самом методе беда 
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[17:46:08] DrTiBiBo: буду ковыряться 
[17:46:15] DrTiBiBo: Всем большое спасибо 
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[17:46:29] xa4a: посмотри, что мметод возвращает 
[17:46:36] xa4a: print os.GetOwner(..) или чего там. 
[17:47:01] quasiyoke: читать книжку! хотите писать на питоне? читайте книжку, выполняйте примеры в ней, модифицируйте их. 
[17:47:31] quasiyoke: xa4a: да человек же не понял к чему там NameError! 
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[17:48:28] xa4a: quasiyoke: "Урлконфы не позволяют задать имя для страницы" 
[17:48:31] xa4a: позволяют же 
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[17:48:50] xa4a: прикручивать xml к урлконфам - изначально бесперспективняк 
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[17:50:40] quasiyoke: в урлконфе должно, получается, быть какое-то место, где я смогу привязать к регеспу имя? не видел пока такого примера. 
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[17:51:23] quasiyoke: потом это имя я хочу взять в шаблон или выбрать из всех регеспов все имена, чтобы сделать меню... 
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[17:52:02] xa4a: http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/topics/http/urls/ 
[17:52:11] xa4a: Ctrl+F -> name= 
[17:52:21] xa4a: http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/topics/http/urls/#django.conf.urls.defaults.url 
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[17:53:07] xa4a: но вот с меню, думаю, могут возникнуть проблемы 
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[17:53:36] quasiyoke: именно. 
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[17:55:21] quasiyoke: но имён ещё не видал) 
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[17:55:42] quasiyoke: ...до этого 
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[18:11:16] quasiyoke: Посмотрите пожалуйста кому интересно то, как я вижу иерархический xml для изначально плоского http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/topics/http/urls/#example : http://dumpz.org/35686/ 
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[18:15:08] xa4a: это ахтунг 
[18:15:44] quasiyoke: :) почему? 
[18:15:47] xa4a: единственный случай, где xml может быть оправданным - для взаимодействия абсолютно разнородных систем, которые по xsdшкам могут сами раздуплять интерфейсы 
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[18:15:59] xa4a: во всех остальных случаях - xml - overkill 
[18:16:13] superbobry: xa4a: и то если ты почему то не можешь юзать JSON или тебе нужны специфичные xmlные фичи  
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[18:16:41] xa4a: quasiyoke: замени xml на питоновский файл с одним словарём с вложенностями 
[18:16:47] xa4a: потом будем говорить :) 
[18:16:58] quasiyoke: у меня уже есть это 
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[18:17:06] xa4a: так а зачем xml?? 
[18:17:16] quasiyoke: не просто словарь, а sorteddict 
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[18:18:15] quasiyoke: да потому, что ужасно это. выглядит плохо) ну не обязательно xml. хоть haml -- Если там есть иерархии, конечно 
[18:18:15] xa4a: ordereddict, да 
[18:18:41] xa4a: dict выглядит хуже xml? Oo 
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[18:18:50] xa4a: нуэ 
[18:18:57] xa4a: сделай вложенными туплами 
[18:19:07] xa4a: дикты ж не нужны тут 
[18:19:08] quasiyoke: внутри дикт коретжи пока с туплами 
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[18:19:26] quasiyoke: чёрт кортежи* 
[18:19:52] quasiyoke: просто кортежи) 
[18:19:58] xa4a: ещё раз, чем не устраивает джанговский урл диспатчер? 
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[18:21:11] quasiyoke: ну а вы посмотрите на тот пример из джангодоксов -- все 4 раза был повторен паттерн корня проекта 
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[18:21:34] quasiyoke: типично для всякой попытки развернуть дерево в полосу 
[18:21:41] xa4a: >< 
[18:21:46] xa4a:  почитай же доки 
[18:22:10] xa4a: а) это не паттерн корня проекта 
[18:22:18] xa4a: и даже не паттерн аппликейшна 
[18:22:26] quasiyoke: import() можно делать глубоко внури, наверное? 
[18:22:28] xa4a: б) общий паттерн можно вынести в первый аргумент 
[18:22:40] xa4a: не импорт 
[18:22:48] xa4a: а django.conf.urlresolvers.include 
[18:23:01] xa4a: всё, я понял 
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[18:23:19] xa4a: quasiyoke: читай от корки до корки ;) http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/topics/http/urls/ 
[18:23:20] quasiyoke: да, include() имел я в виду 
[18:23:39] quasiyoke: короче читать, да 
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[18:24:07] quasiyoke: надеюсь от моих претензий ничего не останется 
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[18:33:57] quasiyoke: дикты там нужны. их нельзя сменить на туплы, поскольку я никогда не прописываю нигде урл жёстко, а ссылаюсь на этот свой огромный дикт. url='%s%s' % (PAGES_NAMES['root'].url,PAGES_NAMES['root']['articles']) # мало связанный с реальность пример, но просто показывает общую суть -- я в итоге способен подменить сразу целиком во всём проекте урлы на все статьи -- гибко, но неэлегантно. в моём же xml (не к ночи будь он упомянут) у всякой секции сайта есть атрибут name, задающий жёсткое имя, которое будет упоминаться в коде и pattern -- собственно урл 
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[18:34:49] xa4a: django урлы это умеют и без тебя 
[18:35:29] quasiyoke: /me ушёл читать. 
[18:35:41] xa4a: url('/my_root/articles', name='root-articles') в urlconf, потом в коде - django.conf.urlresolvers.reverse('root-articles') 
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[18:35:55] xa4a: и в темплейтах - {% url root-articles %} 
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[18:37:10] py_two: добавьте и этот акк в список постоянных посетителей:) 
[18:37:13] py_two: кстати! 
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[18:37:58] py_two: http://www.lfd.uci.edu/~gohlke/pythonlibs/ 
[18:38:06] py_two: не благодарите меня, не надо:) 
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[18:38:18] py_two: может кому-то и пригодится 
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[18:39:04] xa4a: внушительный списочек 
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[18:40:43] superbobry: польза сомнительная на мой взгляд 
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[18:49:28] py_two: такая же, как и от репы activeP 
[18:49:34] py_two: на мой взгляд конечно 
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[18:51:35] Magister Yoda: привет всем! как сделать окошко с подтверждением действия при сабмите? нашел пример на JS, но что-то не представляю как потом этот самый сабмит делать 
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[18:52:09] Magister Yoda: или может есть какие-то стандартные средства не на JS? 
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[18:53:39] xa4a: Magister Yoda: confirm() 
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[18:54:10] xa4a: привязать к действию submit формы свой колбек, в котором дёрнуть confirm() 
[18:54:22] xa4a: и соотв вернуть из колбека true или false 
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[18:59:27] Magister Yoda: а про onclick никто не сказал =) 
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[19:00:00] Magister Yoda: но всё равно спасибо 
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[19:17:43] py_two: есть какие-то экзамплы связанные с выдиранием текста из штмл, формированием коллекции слов ? 
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[19:18:53] quasiyoke: py_two, в diveintopython 
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[19:18:58] gigimon: JavaScript. Подробное руководство. Изд.5 - Флэнаган Д. -  хорошая книга? 
[19:19:15] superbobry: gigimon: можешь поверить крокфроду 
[19:19:23] superbobry: единственная не очень плохая 
[19:19:31] gigimon: не понял) 
[19:19:39] gigimon: кто аткой крокфорд - автор? 
[19:19:47] superbobry: ну крокфорд ее описал как "не очень плохую" 
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[19:19:52] superbobry: это дядька из yahoo 
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[19:20:05] superbobry: звезда в js мире :)  
[19:20:22] superbobry: собственно http://www.crockford.com 
[19:20:38] quasiyoke: py_two: а формирование коллекции слов -- достаточно сложная задача если вы о токенизации, так это, кажется, называется 
[19:20:43] gigimon: аа 
[19:20:51] xa4a: quasiyoke: стемминг? 
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[19:21:24] py_two: quasiyoke: нет, простое задание. Выбрать между тегов текст, далее раскидать этот текст по словам отдельным 
[19:21:25] xa4a: py_two: как выдирать текст? весь текст? проще тогда выпилить теги регекспом 
[19:21:27] quasiyoke: xa4a: ага. у яндекса есть бинарник, делающий это 
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[19:21:52] xa4a: py_two: re.sub(r'<[^>]+>', '') 
[19:22:07] py_two: xa4a: хах, у меня нет слов 
[19:22:11] py_two: 10х 
[19:22:34] quasiyoke: ух ты, наверное даже работать будет) 
[19:22:43] quasiyoke: будет. 
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[19:27:27] quasiyoke: ''.join(re.findall(r'>([^<]+)<',s)) 
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[19:30:22] py_two: diveinto.python.ru с example и содержимое книги с завернутыми локальными линками. Хотите chm делайте, в общем кому надо лейте(308kb):
http://www.sendspace.com/file/zflo9r 
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[19:38:03] py_two: все для земляков, ничего для себя:) 
[19:38:09] quasiyoke: py_two: вам также нужно выцепить все & и иже с ним 
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[19:38:51] py_two: quasiyoke: на данном этапе забросил разработку скрипта, читаю усиленно 
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[23:47:48] gigimon: а что может быть за фигня, форма сделаная через modelform для поля imagefield не валидирует картинку? причем на локалхосте все ок, а на сервере на любую кратинку говорит что плохая
 
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