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[01:00:09] stanislav.pugachev: здорово, есть кто живой?
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[01:01:57] stanislav.pugachev: вопрос: нужно залогиниться на сайте с помощью какого-нибудь эмулятора реального браузера на GAE. нашел mechanize. делаю все по туториалу в консоли у себя - логинюсь на сайте нормально. делаю тоже самое в ГАЕ - не логинюсь. в чем проблема?
[01:02:25] stanislav.pugachev: уже повырывал себе все волосы подмышками
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[01:04:25] stanislav.pugachev: http://dumpz.org/35795/
[01:04:39] stanislav.pugachev: а? народ. никто не работал с mechanize?
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[01:16:36] gigimon: ну может ошибки посмотришь?
[01:16:38] gigimon: а так люди спят уже
[01:16:50] stanislav.pugachev: ошибок нет
[01:16:57] stanislav.pugachev: код выполняется. страница возвращается
[01:17:04] stanislav.pugachev: но логина не происходит.
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[07:34:26] gf: я бы посоветовал волосы под_мышками брить, чтоб было не так больно код дебажить..
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[09:03:48] wiz_: Ian Bicking - I didn't use Ruby because it can't scale.10:03 am
David Cramer - I hear Ruby is great with MongoDB 10:03 am
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[09:04:01] wiz_: монго - добавит вебскейл даже рубям!
[09:05:12] webninja: че за вебскейл
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[09:08:30] Typhon: bobry, таки в гите есть пламбинг комманда для того, что тебе тогда надо было :) """ git name-rev --name-only commitish """ — покажет контекст, например master~2
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[09:24:22] _lorien: webninja: вебскейл, это когда за много бабла покупаешь много машин и запускаешь на них софт, если ничо не ёбнется, то это вебскейл
[09:24:46] _lorien: + софт должен работать как одно целое т.е. все эти машины знают друг про друга
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[09:28:07] _lorien: http://diveintopython3.org/ хм, прочитать шо ле
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[09:33:36] py_two: никак на гит не перейду
[09:33:40] py_two: все на своем сабвершене
[09:33:48] py_two: хотя лучше наверное сразу на меркуриал
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[09:38:20] Tony: фулох
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[09:43:30] _lorien: ваще
[09:43:39] _lorien: py_two: просто удали нахуй сабвершн )
[09:43:54] _lorien: mercurial имх проще освоить )
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[09:44:45] Typhon: да, и в случае чего в нутрях ковырятся в меркуриале проще и приятнее
[09:44:55] py_two: _lorien: ну это ж надо перегонять репу туда, ставить новый тортоис. Времени нет:)
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[09:45:02] Typhon: а то вот я бы поправил "кажется-баг" в гите, но обмазываться сишкой их не хочется
[09:45:17] Typhon: py_two: tortoise не нужен
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[09:45:46] py_two: console relezz ?
[09:45:49] _lorien: py_two: ну так перегони, поставь
[09:46:12] _lorien: делов то на день
[09:46:19] _lorien: зато потом всю жизнь наслаждаться будешь
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[09:46:40] py_two: да я и сейчас вроде как не напрягаюсь по этому поводу
[09:46:46] py_two: работает да и работает
[09:47:11] _lorien: значит тебе не нужен git :)
[09:47:14] py_two: просто много еще чего автоматизировано. Типа выгрузка всех коммитов из проекта и тд
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[09:47:42] py_two: так что там не на день, а на целых три-четыре дня
[09:48:09] _lorien: ну ещё потом месяц будешь в доках копаться )
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[09:49:07] py_two: _lorien: я уже знаком с меркуриал, нет времени на него перейти
[09:49:22] wiz_: в смысле нет времени перейти?
[09:49:25] py_two: не так плотно знаком, но в плане заюзать вполне
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[09:49:44] wiz_: фигли там плотно знакомиться, это ж не перфорс какой-нибудь
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[09:50:11] Typhon: риальне — ci + push + pull -u + merge — и можно работать
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[09:51:08] py_two: ой ну ковыряться постоянно в консоли тоже не хочется
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[09:51:49] Typhon: ну ставь tortoise — там же тоже самое
[09:51:49] py_two: минимализм - это хорошо, покуда минимализм не начинает хавать много времени на себя
[09:52:02] gf: некоторые называю "ковыряться в консоли" работой..
[09:52:04] Typhon: просто в gui — дольше
[09:52:07] gf: называюТ
[09:52:23] Typhon: и мышкой тыкать — rsi наживать ;-)
[09:52:36] gf: rsi?
[09:52:39] Typhon: RSI
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[09:53:10] py_two: я просто немного по-проще стал. Перестал заморачиваться на мелочах типа консоль или гуи. Что удобней именно сейчас - то и юзаю
[09:53:12] gf: Typhon спекулянт штоле?
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[09:53:31] Typhon: gf: ?
[09:53:40] py_two: все, читать иду:)
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[09:53:43] gf: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%98%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%81_%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8B_RSI
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[09:54:52] Typhon: gf: у тебя википедия неправильная! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repetitive_strain_injury
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[09:55:55] gf: Typhon: ok :)
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[09:57:45] webninja: _lorien: короче вебскеил это когда приложение расчитано что в кластер несколько тачек без проблем можно объеденить.
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[09:58:38] gigimon: webninja: я думаю при этом эти тачки должны делать 1 и тоже
[09:58:46] gigimon: а то объединить их можно и не при вебскейле
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[09:59:03] webninja: ну да
[09:59:05] webninja: то что база одна
[09:59:07] Typhon: webninja: http://nosql.mypopescu.com/post/1016320617/mongodb-is-web-scale
[09:59:10] webninja: ща
[09:59:12] webninja: ооо
[09:59:14] Typhon: ^________^
[09:59:53] Typhon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2F-DItXtZs или тут, если там ошибка
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[10:06:36] mishok13_: хыхы
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[10:06:50] mishok13_: Ian Bicking - I didn't use Ruby because it can't scale
David Cramer - I hear Ruby is great with MongoDB
Ian Bicking - MongoDB isn't ready because it doesn't have ACID
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[10:07:08] webninja: где вы это берете?
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[10:08:13] mishok13_: google buzz
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[10:08:28] mishok13_: http://www.google.com/buzz/ianbicking/4kFsGj1WDxc/Ugh-why-did-I-decide-to-do-this-prototype-with
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[10:28:32] wiz_: кто-нибудь знает зачем джанга использует PHP-шный формат в |date ?
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[10:29:18] _lorien: долбоёбы, потому что
[10:29:22] _lorien: моя версия :)
[10:30:02] wiz_: ну а профит то в чём?
[10:30:11] webninja: а какой еще формат есть?
[10:30:26] _lorien: stftime или как там по-научному )
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[10:31:26] _lorien: короче в C есть функция strptime, видимо вот она и используется в питоне
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[10:31:50] _lorien: и в PHP используется, просто в питоне юзают то, что сишная функция жрёт, а в PHP придумали свой велосипед
[10:32:14] wiz_: ну а профит то в чём? (=
[10:32:26] webninja: лориен
[10:32:32] webninja: pybb твоя работа?
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[10:32:38] _lorien: да, но яз абил давно
[10:32:48] webninja: у тебя есть там миграция с phpBB?
[10:33:08] _lorien: нет, я только для punbb делал и последний раз запускал ещё года три назад %-[]
[10:33:23] webninja: ааа жесть. а есть щаз форумы в разработке активные для жанги?
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[10:35:50] _lorien: щас активные, через полгода неактивные %)
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[10:36:03] _lorien: ну ваще pybb вроде работает )
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[10:36:34] slav0nic: djangobb! :P
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[10:41:49] webninja: !g djangobb
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[10:43:37] webninja: slav0nic; а там есть миграция?
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[10:44:16] webninja: Migration from other forum engines:
will be soon...
[10:44:18] slav0nic: сам делай)
[10:44:19] webninja: бля 0
[10:44:33] slav0nic: хули там мигрировать,, 2 часа повымыкать на схемы
[10:44:47] webninja: это тебе 2а часа ) а мне 2а дня
[10:45:38] slav0nic: ну так, мозгу прокачаешь
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[10:46:01] slav0nic: делаешь выливку в csv в нужном формате и заливаешь в базу
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[10:46:46] slav0nic: миграций нигде нет
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[10:48:34] webninja: ну вы даете у каждого по форуму на своих репах. у piranha тоже наверное есть какойнибудь bb?
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[10:49:10] webninja: нужно было объеденить усилия и залабать продукт! потом бы сделать энтерпрайз версию подрубить палку )
[10:49:28] webninja: квалитисаппорт идийский колцентр
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[10:51:54] slav0nic: ну мы взяли лора форум и запили под себя)
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[10:55:00] py_two: перестроить компактней можно ? https://privatepaste.com/1d4a7fff83
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[10:56:13] slav0nic: for c in line.split(): print c
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[10:57:43] py_two: slav0nic : IndentationError: unexpected indent
[10:58:11] slav0nic: гуд бай, май френд
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[10:59:20] wiz_: py_two, http://docs.python.org/tutorial/
[10:59:23] wiz_: быстро, решительно!
[10:59:37] py_two: все гут
[10:59:39] slav0nic: но не современно)
[10:59:44] py_two: спасибо
[10:59:46] slav0nic: ща модно сразу спрашивать
[10:59:58] slav0nic: дочитай книгу до конца
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[11:01:00] py_two: slav0nic: да ох уж эти отступы!
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[11:01:10] py_two: ну кто ж виноват, что пайтон их проверяет
[11:01:16] slav0nic: гвиду
[11:01:33] _lorien: жуть какая в пастбине
[11:01:42] wiz_: Гвиду это какой-то бразилец? (=
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[11:01:53] py_two: сишная привычка распологать код как хочу я, а не как хочет компилятор
[11:02:48] _lorien: print line.replace(' ', '\n')
[11:02:52] _lorien: самое компактное %)
[11:02:55] mishok13_: щито?
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[11:04:00] mishok13_: а чо, в си уже нету правил синтаксиса или как?
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[11:06:02] py_two: парни, ну так же нельзя!
[11:06:08] py_two: как так можно программировать ?
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[11:06:45] py_two: ну это вообще ломает мое мировозрение относительно программирования
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[11:07:02] slav0nic: типа не выходит погавнакодить, а хочется?)
[11:07:27] mishok13_: ты о чем?
[11:08:06] py_two: да просто я в шоке. Я в жизни не представлял себе, что можно четырьмя строками открыть файл, прочитать его и разбить текст внутри него на предложения
[11:08:11] mishok13_: что конкретно тебе поломало мировоззрение?
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[11:08:31] mishok13_: ты на асме раньше писал?
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[11:08:35] py_two: *на предложения = на слова
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[11:09:16] py_two: mishok13_: си
[11:09:26] mishok13_: потому что это даже на сях элементарно в максимум десяток строк впихнуть (glib'ом)
[11:09:33] mishok13_: плохо писал, видимо
[11:09:45] py_two: си для вин32
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[11:12:32] py_two: хз, может я просто на ссях не работал в данном направлении
[11:12:38] py_two: вам видней в любом случае
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[11:21:23] _lorien: злые тут все
[11:21:27] _lorien: и я злой
[11:21:47] Typhon: 16 мая — монгодб раша %)
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[11:21:53] Typhon: или монгодб москоу
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[11:24:29] webninja: чето мода прям на монгодб
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[11:28:05] mishok13_: mongodb makes your dick twice as big!
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[11:29:36] webninja: =)
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[11:30:13] _lorien: Толще ладно, а если длиннее, то неудобно будет
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[11:33:17] wiz_: в объёме
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[11:38:06] wiz_: /me переехал с емакса на gedit+ssh и пока доволен
[11:38:17] webninja: фи
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[11:49:07] enchantner: товарищи, можно нубский вопрос по джанге? У меня в модели charfield с чойсами, причем readonly_field в admin.py
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[11:49:42] enchantner: как сделать, чтобы он показывал не "Y"/"N" , а писал display_name, т.е. "Да" или "Нет"?
[11:49:58] wiz_: get_<fieldname>_display
[11:50:05] enchantner: неужто только переопределением шаблона?
[11:50:29] enchantner: про get знаю, но мне ж в админке нужно...
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[11:50:41] enchantner: причем в StackedInline
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[11:52:48] _lorien: ебучий дебиан (теперь squeeze) так и не научился понимать wifi карту моего нетубка
[11:53:13] enchantner: _lorien: ndiswrapper?
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[11:54:53] _lorien: я его использую
[11:54:57] enchantner: все, справился, я лопух
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[12:10:20] xa4a: wicd
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[12:20:29] _lorien: при чём тут wicd если дрова глючат?
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[12:31:15] webninja: лориен тут?
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[12:31:51] webninja: http://dumpz.org/35953/
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[12:32:03] webninja: блин чето в файл не пишет а если принт сделать пишет текст
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[12:32:38] wiz: webninja, а ты, случаем, не ебанулся - внутри фора каждый раз один и тот же файл открывать?
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[12:32:59] webninja: да этого ваще не будт просто хочу посмотреть
[12:33:12] jekel: сурово
[12:33:14] webninja: кстати бля
[12:33:23] nmk: wiz причем с перезаписью :)
[12:33:30] webninja: БЛЯ
[12:33:32] webninja: сцуко
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[12:34:15] enchantner: вы прослушали пьесу в одно явление "Print, бля"
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[12:34:34] webninja: во =) сразу свежий взгляд оценил. а я сижу бля да чтож такое то =)
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[12:35:13] webninja: wiz: спасибо )
[12:35:18] py_two: :)
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[12:42:14] jekel: как правильно округлить float в меньшую сторону?
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[12:45:07] gigimon: int(3.88)
Out[3]: 3

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[12:45:53] enchantner: логично, там же floor
[12:46:11] jekel: так int ili floor?
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[12:47:03] enchantner: кошернее - floor, но его надо from math import floor
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[12:47:21] enchantner: но можно и не заморачиваться и сделать int
[12:47:37] jekel: просто инт подошел, спасибо :)
[12:47:41] enchantner: только я не помню, как в третьем питоне в этом случае округляет
[12:48:01] jekel: ну третий пока не светит, так что все путем
[12:48:27] enchantner: там так же
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[12:49:50] py_two: можно ли вообще убрать проверку расположения кода в питоне ? Мне нужно по-своему код расположить, как мне удобно
[12:50:07] enchantner: что значит "проверка расположения"?
[12:50:31] py_two: отступы и тд
[12:50:39] enchantner: ыы лол
[12:50:46] Typhon: py_two: from __future__ import braces %)
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[12:52:43] enchantner: from __future__ import braces
[12:52:48] enchantner: тьфу
[12:53:01] enchantner: python3.1 -c "import antigravity"
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[12:57:42] webninja: принудительное форматирование решает
[12:57:47] webninja: меньше скобок сраных
[12:58:04] webninja: и кода свинского
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[12:58:21] gf: ага, и запятых/точек с запятыми
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[13:01:22] webninja: ага еще такой херни typedef char* (*foo)(int,char*);
[13:01:41] webninja: указатели бррр как вспомню так содрогнусь
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[13:02:37] webninja: канешно новые языки далеко вперед шагнули по удобству чем си. си все же больше для системного программирования.
[13:03:38] deepwalker: зато понятно, почему a = b = {} создаст две ссылки
[13:03:42] deepwalker: а не два словаря
[13:03:44] mishok13_: >>> floor(-1.8)
-2.0
>>> int(-1.8)
-1
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[13:04:02] enchantner: не, указатели - это клево
[13:04:07] mishok13_: jekel, обрати внимание, что floor и int делают не одно и тоже
[13:04:32] jekel: ну мне вот как раз инт больше подходит - он отрубает десятую часть вообще
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[13:04:45] enchantner: но в питоне, поскольку он интерпретируемый, без них проще
[13:04:45] jekel: правильно ведь?
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[13:06:22] deepwalker: enchantner, то есть без них? они ж никуда не делись : )
[13:06:38] enchantner: ну да, просто сам объект указателя не нужен
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[13:06:47] enchantner: и без этого все = объект
[13:06:48] deepwalker: он тоже никуда не делся :-P
[13:06:56] deepwalker: а
[13:07:05] deepwalker: указатель на объект все же скорее
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[13:07:18] enchantner: не совсем указатель, скорее, псевдоним
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[13:27:02] py_two: чем можно заменить:
[13:27:06] py_two: myfile = myfile.replace(" "," ")
myfile = myfile.replace(" "," ")
myfile = myfile.replace(" "," ")
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[13:33:03] _lorien: а я три одинаковых строки вижу
[13:33:28] _lorien: а нет, там разное кол-во пробелов )
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[13:34:29] wiz_: у xa4a видимо в клиенте моноширинный шрифт стоит (=
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[13:39:12] py_two: гм
[13:39:37] py_two: скиньте мне пожаулйста две-три страницы предыдущие конфы
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[13:48:19] wiz_: html mode в gedit отст^Hутствует ):
[13:48:35] enchantner: юзайте geany уже
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[13:51:16] py_two: а это чем можно заменить ? https://privatepaste.com/7d6072242e
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[13:52:23] enchantner: if i in restricted: st.replace(i, "")
[13:52:55] enchantner: restricted = [] # со всем барахлом
[13:53:19] enchantner: а не, я чего-то туплю
[13:53:44] enchantner: просто for i in restricted: st.replace(i, "")
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[13:55:53] deepwalker: какие еще жини, когад есть вим и емакс? : )
[13:56:49] enchantner: олдфаг, некрокодер
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[14:02:29] py_two: есть функция, которая допустим сканирует директорию. Как бы вывести в консоль строку с анимацией: Выполняется сканирование директории и анимированный обьект | / -- \ | и далее процент выполнения ?
[14:02:50] xa4a: !g python spinner
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[14:19:38] wiz_: ещё сплита нехватает в gedit...
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[15:00:50] wiz_: фу
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[15:05:41] jekel: как в линуксе посмотреть какие сетевые буферы все заняты - чтобы их увеличить?
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[15:06:10] nmk: что значит какие сетевые буферы все заняты?
[15:06:20] jekel: тсп сенд,рисив
[15:06:27] jekel: не выерно выразил мысль
[15:06:40] jekel: смысл - повысить производительность сетевого стека
[15:06:48] nmk: оо
[15:06:51] nmk: еба
[15:06:57] jekel: узнать - каких буферов мало, что надо подкрутить
[15:06:59] jekel: че не так?
[15:07:01] nmk: может надо начать с себя? :)
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[15:07:11] jekel: не смешно
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[15:07:35] nmk: ну а ты уверен, что производительность повысится, если ты увеличишь какие-то там буферы?
[15:07:40] Sevenov: Вполне смешно.
[15:08:17] jekel: смею надеятся
[15:08:39] nmk: а что у тебя там за приложение такое?
[15:09:08] nmk: обычно, кстати, буфера уменьшают
[15:09:16] nmk: что бы память на соединениях не закончилась
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[15:10:07] jekel: многопоточный робот
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[15:11:24] nmk: ну, короче. забудь про буферы. вообще.
[15:11:44] jekel: обнадежил
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[15:34:37] py_two: чего это в нижний регистр не переводится строка ?
string = "ДА НЕТ"
myfile = string.split()
myfile[1] = myfile[1].lower
print myfile[0]
[15:34:45] py_two: ой lower()
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[15:35:14] py_two: верней не строка, а элемент списка
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[15:38:03] py_two: *print myfile[1]
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[15:40:27] xa4a: у тебя не строка
[15:40:29] xa4a: а список байт
[15:40:39] xa4a: а нужен юникод
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[15:41:44] py_two: тфу, блин
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[15:42:14] py_two: а что заюзать для ascii ?
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[15:52:41] py_two: xa4a: что заюзать для не юникода ?
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[15:52:50] xa4a: юникод
[15:53:02] py_two: у меня штмл с ascii внутри
[15:53:06] xa4a: если текст, то раскодировать и юникод
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[15:53:27] py_two: ну а в файл писать мне нужно в ascii потом
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[15:55:57] xa4a: правило: когда вводишь текст в программу, откуда-либо, раскодируешь его и работаешь везде с юникодом. когда выводишь из программы - кодируешь в нужную кодировку и засылаешь
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[15:57:28] superbobry: вопрос по js: кто нибудь может отрекомендовать фреймворк нибудь для построения своего ui?
[15:57:34] superbobry: требования тривиальные -- вменяемый api
[15:57:42] superbobry: больше ничего не требуется
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[15:58:21] superbobry: а то я заметил что уже начал изобретать у себя closure library в коде, но closure очень уж перегружен для моих целей.
[15:58:37] maxp: лично я последний раз делал на питона ui 10 лет назад на ncurses :)
[15:58:57] maxp: упс... вопрос-то было про js
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[15:59:46] gigimon: superbobry: jquery ui?
[16:00:02] superbobry: gigimon: у них документации нет как таковой -- пробовал уже
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[16:00:15] superbobry: в смысле надо читать код виджетов чтобы понять какие методы когда вызываются итп
[16:00:23] maxp: jquery ui какой-то не uiистый вообще
[16:00:33] maxp: народ рекомендует extjs
[16:00:38] maxp: или как он там теперь называется
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[16:00:42] superbobry: да не, он хорош для использования, но расширять его как то meh
[16:00:46] superbobry: extjs теперь sencha
[16:00:50] maxp: во-ов
[16:00:54] superbobry: но доки у него тоже только api
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[16:00:59] wiz_: а в битбакете нет построчных коментов чтоль?
[16:01:08] superbobry: что уже неплохо по сравнению с jqui
[16:01:21] superbobry: wiz_: afaik нет
[16:01:43] wiz_: пичаль
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[16:02:21] superbobry: битбакет одна сплошная пичаль
[16:02:55] wiz_: а что лучше?
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[16:03:18] superbobry: github + hggit
[16:03:35] wiz_: фу
[16:03:41] wiz_: костыли
[16:03:50] wiz_: я бы на гуглекоде сидел, но там приватов нет
[16:04:01] superbobry: мм... никакие не костыли
[16:04:09] superbobry: git svn тоже костыль?
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[16:04:45] wiz_: да
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[16:05:07] wiz_: git без всего - не костыль
[16:05:13] wiz_: hg без всего - не костыль
[16:05:16] wiz_: но гит я не хочу
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[16:06:06] superbobry: иди в битбакет работать
[16:06:12] superbobry: они набирают же вроде еще
[16:06:17] superbobry: сделаешь там все как надо :)
[16:06:24] superbobry: вопрос про js фреймворк еще актуален
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[16:07:21] gigimon: а подскажите мне по джанге, что может быть, есть такая модель и форма: http://dpaste.org/ABO5/, при загрузке файла на локалхосте - все ок, при загрузке на севрере, не проходит валидацию, файл не нравится
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[16:11:24] superbobry: gigimon: а ошибка какая? у сервера есть права на запись в images/?
[16:11:45] gigimon: права есть, да и валидация проходила б
[16:11:58] gigimon: form.errors
[16:12:02] gigimon: <ul class="errorlist"><li>image<ul class="errorlist"><li>Загрузите правильное изображение. Файл, который вы загрузили, поврежден или не является изображением.</li></ul></li></ul>

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[16:12:50] superbobry: надо смареть как он валидирует
[16:13:02] nmk: а как-нибудь можно defaultdict научить OrderedDict отдавать вместо простого dict'а?
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[16:13:34] gigimon: superbobry: также как на локалхосте))
[16:13:42] gigimon: непонятно почему так
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[16:15:43] gigimon: мож веб-сервер не передает
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[16:17:22] gigimon: нет, веб-сервер передает файл на uwsgi
[16:17:34] gigimon: <MultiValueDict: {u'image': [<InMemoryUploadedFile: 013880k7.jpg (image/jpeg)>]}>

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[16:57:45] Typhon: superbobry: """bobry, таки в гите есть пламбинг комманда для того, что тебе тогда надо было :) """ git name-rev --name-only commitish """ — покажет контекст, например master~2"""
[16:58:00] Typhon: а по юи — нужно знать чо ты хочешь, екстжс — богатая
[16:58:13] superbobry: extjs gpl3
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[16:59:23] superbobry: мне пока захотелось чтобы виджетам можно было добавлять потомков, со всеми вытекающими
[16:59:34] superbobry: например чтобы при удалении родителя потомки тоже удалялись
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[17:00:06] superbobry: проблема в том что виджеты у меня svgшные
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[17:00:42] Typhon: то есть тебе сторонние виджеты не нужны, получается, а нужны манипуляции с домом?
[17:00:46] superbobry: хотя может и не проблема это, те же dom elements
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[17:01:01] superbobry: мне нужно что то, что поможет удобно связать виджеты
[17:01:16] superbobry: стронние пока не нужны
[17:01:46] superbobry: closure library еще не хочется из за привязки к компайлеру
[17:01:52] superbobry: значит придется забить на кофе
[17:02:10] superbobry: можно конечно jsdoc теги прямо в кофе шпарить :)
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[18:34:25] wiz: пришёл в контору новый кодер, посмотрел и сказал, что питон фигня, надо сайты кодить на плюсах. там есть хорошая либа, которая даёт возможность получать запрос и отвечать на него. facepalm.hs
[18:36:13] wiz: собственно вот она http://cas.havoc.ru/
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[18:37:37] wiz: /me смотрит example и охуевает
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[18:42:13] jekel: особенно время разработки на плюсах решает конечно %)
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[18:42:44] wiz: и деплоя
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[18:44:02] jekel: и что, чела взяли?
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[18:56:52] wiz: его ещё в понедельник взяли
[18:57:17] wiz: а сегодня меня ему на растерзание отдали
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[18:57:51] jekel: т.е. ты очень рад? :)))
[18:58:01] jekel: у вас там супер хайлоад что плюсы нужны?
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[18:58:25] wiz: у него после универа моск свёрнут, что плюсы нужны
[18:58:44] wiz: сидели тут какую-то подъебту на жабе писали три дня...
[18:59:14] jekel: это гдеж учат что плюсы нужны для веб разработки?
[18:59:18] wiz: я код посмотрел^W проскролил и не стал расстраиваться лишний раз
[18:59:38] wiz: плюсы нужны вообще для всего!
[18:59:42] wiz: потому что они быстрые!
[18:59:46] jekel: просто по факту?)
[18:59:49] wiz: ну
[19:00:23] wiz: на замечание о скорости разработки/деплоя я получил чёткий аргумент
[19:00:28] wiz: «да ну нахуй!»
[19:00:33] jekel: так а что у вас за проекты такие что чувака решили взять с таким видением решения проблем?
[19:01:11] wiz: это ещё ничего
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[19:01:26] wiz: на меня ещё хотят повесит десяток кодеров из питера... на дельфях
[19:01:37] wiz: на проект платёжной системы, если чо
[19:02:03] wiz: /me усердно молится, постится и слушает радио Радонеж
[19:02:06] wiz: авось пронесёт
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[19:02:48] jekel: из какого он универа пришел?
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[19:03:46] cutwater: wiz: возьмите меня к себе =)
[19:03:51] cutwater: Я адекватный.
[19:04:00] wiz: http://uni-dubna.ru/
[19:04:32] cutwater: э... да ну нахуй.
[19:04:41] jekel: природы общества человека?...
[19:05:49] wiz: http://uni-dubna.ru/candidates/ ну там информатика тоже типа есть
[19:06:07] wiz: у меня знакомая сейчас на 4м курсе там MPI изучает
[19:06:13] cutwater: охщи
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[19:06:17] cutwater: повезло ей однако
[19:06:36] cutwater: wiz: а я и на плюсах могу. и на питоне могу. и вообще я хороший ^_^
[19:06:44] jekel: ну мне кажется если универ выпускает студентов с мнением того что кроме плюсов ничего не рулит - то это тяжелый случай)
[19:06:52] wiz: ну как же, жава ещё
[19:07:03] jekel: на жабе в европе хорошо зарабатывают...
[19:07:09] jekel: в ентерпрайзе
[19:07:10] wiz: и не только в европе
[19:07:25] cutwater: jekel: хуже когда выпускают с мнением что кроме Delphi, PHP, %languagename% ничего нерулит
[19:07:27] wiz: вот только после этих зарабатывальщиков проекты лопаются только в путь
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[19:08:13] wiz: /me предчуствует, что скоро придётся в требовниях к кандидатам писать *отсутствие* в.о.
[19:08:43] wiz: как ни придут, у меня потом всё лицо красное от непрекращающихся фейспалмов
[19:08:55] cutwater: wiz: а что спрашиваешь на собеседованиях?
[19:09:21] jekel: wiz: пиши статью на хабр про студентиков )
[19:09:46] wiz: да этого вообще мимо меня притащили
[19:09:58] wiz: у нас же замкадье - каждый человек на счету
[19:10:10] wiz: зп московских нету, а мск близко
[19:10:20] wiz: вот и приходится хватать всех желающих
[19:11:05] cutwater: wiz: дык расскажи что спрашиваешь на собеседовании
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[19:12:03] jekel: и замкадье - это сколько?
[19:12:07] wiz: 60км
[19:12:16] wiz: у меня веб и прочий сетевой стафф (мы вообще ISP), поэтому спрашиваю по разным уровням протоколов
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[19:12:35] wiz: и про личные проекты - вдруг инициативный кто попадётся
[19:12:47] jekel: ну вы чуваку скажите - что он сам будет тогда поддерживать свою разработку на вечной основе )
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[19:12:58] cutwater: кстати подкиньте плз ссылку, не могу найти, алгоритм доступа к полю объекта в питоне.
[19:12:59] jekel: за еду :D
[19:13:02] wiz: та он только рад будет
[19:13:13] wiz: вот только поддерживать это придётся мне
[19:13:15] cutwater: типа a.b что происходит =)
[19:13:17] wiz: а так же тестировать
[19:13:26] wiz: cutwater, дизассемблер возьми
[19:13:41] wiz: или тебе на каком уровне надо?
[19:13:57] cutwater: wiz: да просто вопрос на собеседовани веселый.
[19:14:00] cutwater: надо ликбез сделать
[19:14:12] wiz: cutwater, отсеить долбоёбов можно легко
[19:14:17] cutwater: конкретно мне на практике оно нахрен не надо знать полностью алгоритм резолва имени =)
[19:14:18] wiz: но задача их взять, а не отсеять ):
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[19:15:32] wiz: cutwater, http://docs.python.org/reference/datamodel.html
[19:15:47] cutwater: читаю уже.
[19:15:58] jekel: а что нету какой-то политики в компании на чем ведется разработка? вот как раз от таких долбоебов
[19:16:10] jekel: чтобы не было зоопарка из ЯП
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[19:16:53] wiz: нету
[19:17:06] jekel: а провести ее через начальство?
[19:17:12] wiz: до этого был один перлист, который всё фигарил сам для себя
[19:17:31] wiz: потом я пришёл и начал на питоне делать
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[19:17:39] wiz: мы с ним не пересекались почти
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[19:18:19] cutwater: потом пришел еще товарищ и переписал все на С++
[19:18:25] cutwater: так и живем xD
[19:19:18] wiz: они периодически порываются на сях какие-то свои перловые поделия переписать из-за нехватки скорости
[19:19:42] wiz: но он внимательно вчитывается в свою перловую кашу месячной давности, переписывает её начисто и всё волшебным образом ускоряется
[19:19:48] wiz: через месяц - новый заход (=
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[19:33:03] wiz: а как юниттесты работают в той же жабе и плюсах?
[19:33:14] wiz: это ж надо каждый раз всё гамно пересобирать...
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[19:35:36] wiz: «Выбор XML как языка описания конфигурации позволяет пользоваться стандартными утилитами для проверки их синтаксиса и редактирования.»
[19:36:05] wiz: /me всё же решил зочитать доки по CAS. вдруг он чего-то не понимает в этом мире...
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[19:36:23] wiz: PS: доки = реально в .doc, rtf и pdf
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[19:50:58] xa4a: это курсач какой-то?
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[19:51:38] wiz: я тоже так подумал
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[19:51:49] wiz: пишут, что эту хрень начали кодить аж в 2003м в mail.ru
[19:52:16] wiz: и уже тогда ололо оно предоставляло все элементы современной архитектуры - модель, вид и контроллер
[19:52:28] wiz: почти © доки
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[20:10:18] wiz: четырнадцатый релиз популярной OpenSource-платформы для ведения блогов — WordPress 3.1 «Reinhardt».
[20:10:21] wiz: они издеваются?..
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[20:14:53] огыешсук: они перешли на питон?
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[20:23:48] py_two: так есть какие-то средства вменяемые для конвертации ascii2unicode и обратно или прийдется ручками делать ?*
[20:24:25] nott: py_two
[20:24:30] nott: iconv?
[20:24:51] py_two: nott: кодесом нужно
[20:25:09] py_two: *кодом
[20:25:12] nott: ну и в чем проблема?
[20:25:21] nott: str.decode, unicode.encode
[20:25:28] nott: два волшебных метода
[20:25:50] nott: если текст в ascii, то можно смело использовать latin-1
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[20:32:57] superbobry: товарищи, никто не имел проблем с hg email ?
[20:33:04] superbobry: просто зависает и все гат
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[20:39:40] py_two: ну а tcpdump что говорит ?
[20:40:02] py_two: что-то хоть пытается по tcp лететь ?
[20:40:51] superbobry: too hardcore for me
[20:41:00] superbobry: я лучше в код экстеншена залезу :)
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[20:46:28] py_two: смотри сам
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[23:00:15] Typhon: superbobry@jabber.ru, там флажок есть, --debug или --trace который показывает всякое полезное
[23:00:47] superbobry@jabber.ru: проблема идиотская была
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[23:01:04] Typhon: олсо patchbomb круче если ты патч шлёшь
[23:01:06] superbobry@jabber.ru: написал smtp.google.com вместо smtp.gmail.com
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[23:02:15] Typhon: хы, я, кажется, тоже так писал, но он ругался, а не висел %)
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[23:03:06] superbobry@jabber.ru: мм, а разве email не patchbomb'a команда?
[23:03:55] Typhon: хм, да, наверное, его ;
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[23:03:57] Typhon: :-)
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[23:12:28] deepwalker: ээх, пришли люди с допиливанием проекта, а он мне не мил уж боле : (
[23:12:47] deepwalker: я уже по другому придумал архитектуру : )
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[23:13:08] deepwalker: вот думаю - высокоморально сказать, что мне уже пофиг
[23:13:14] deepwalker: или надо тянуть
[23:13:42] superbobry@jabber.ru: deepwalker: шо за проект то?
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[23:14:03] deepwalker: да морда к FreeSwitch (типа астериска)
[23:14:21] deepwalker: но это типа проект на провайдера
[23:14:47] deepwalker: и мне сильно сдается, что ну какой дурак то ставит в качестве SIP роутера freeswitch
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[23:15:05] deepwalker: это жа пижня без rtp жить отказывается
[23:15:09] deepwalker: весь мозг вынесет
[23:15:52] superbobry@jabber.ru: ох, /me совсем не в теме
[23:15:57] deepwalker: а вот типа опенсипса было бы в самый раз
[23:16:01] deepwalker: да это воипщина
[23:16:02] Typhon: ну да
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[23:16:15] deepwalker: я еще на sippy вот поглядываю
[23:16:31] deepwalker: если его пильнуть, то можно и его запользовать
[23:16:34] Typhon: ставить атс в кач-ве регистратор/роутера/etc. не особо айс
[23:16:37] deepwalker: правда код в нем мама мама
[23:16:47] Typhon: что-то у них там внутри кучеряво слишком было
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[23:16:51] Typhon: java видимо
[23:16:54] Typhon: в голове
[23:16:56] deepwalker: сиппи?
[23:16:58] Typhon: угу
[23:17:04] deepwalker: по-моему там взрыв в голове
[23:17:09] Typhon: :)
[23:17:13] deepwalker: такой писец адский
[23:17:17] deepwalker: но работало : )
[23:17:34] deepwalker: я вот думаю взять funcparserlib и накатать парсер сип месседжей
[23:17:49] Typhon: :)
[23:17:57] Typhon: я из p2psip или как там его
[23:18:01] Typhon: взял и переделал
[23:18:07] Typhon: потому что у того индуса там ой-ой-ой
[23:18:10] Typhon: + sdp
[23:18:38] deepwalker: ну я вот сколько сипа видел - ой ой ой
[23:18:48] deepwalker: телефонисты они такие
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[23:18:54] deepwalker: у них мозги особые :-D
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[23:20:07] Typhon: в twisted'е парсилка сип мессаг более менее
[23:20:15] Typhon: без ненужных регекспов, по крайней мере
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[23:21:45] deepwalker: я все таки накатаю парсер на funcparserlib, поразвлекаюсь хоть : )
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[23:22:41] superbobry@jabber.ru: лучше уж на хацкеле
[23:22:51] Typhon: если не секретно будет, показывай :-)
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[23:29:14] deepwalker: ну я в смысле не секретно хотел
[23:29:25] deepwalker: чтобы пользовались люди :)
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