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[01:11:18] xa4a: http://www.reddit.com/r/Python/comments/fsn17/nastiest_python_list_comprehension_ever/
[01:11:39] xa4a: def mystery(n):
a = list(range(n))
[[(yield i) for a[::i] in [([0]*n)[::i]]] for
i in a[2:] if a[i]]
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[01:12:30] xa4a: как понять [i for a[::i] in [([0]*n)[::i]] ?
[01:12:38] xa4a: for a[::i] in
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[01:16:16] xa4a: а вообще, по крутости, это где-то в половину крутости определения простоты числа регулярными выражениями
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[01:17:55] Typhon: по какой крутости? :) там в комментах про контест хорошо сказали
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[01:27:10] Typhon: дифференцирование типов -- круто, а это, по-моему, -- байтоёбство %)
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[02:48:17] Tony: http://lolx.ru/uploads/posts/2011-02/1298631182_pics_086.jpg
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[13:05:25] wiz: если тебе мало дефолтного, то юзай стаклесс
[13:05:38] webninja: питон?
[13:05:44] Typhon: webninja, sys.setrecursionlimit , но зачем тебе это?
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[13:06:56] webninja: http://dumpz.org/36507/
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[13:07:19] webninja: только что подумал а если параметр просто передвать в функцию типа repeats=1
[13:07:35] wiz: webninja, лучше шедулер заюзай
[13:07:46] Typhon: не называй свои методы с dunder'ами
[13:08:00] wiz: хотя и так нормально в общем-то
[13:08:12] webninja: что за шедулер?
[13:08:33] webninja: Typhon dunders wtf?
[13:08:40] wiz: double-unders
[13:08:42] wiz: __spam__
[13:08:51] webninja: а ну так он приват типа
[13:08:57] wiz: __private
[13:09:00] wiz: __magic__
[13:09:16] wiz: но вообще __ тоже не стоит
[13:09:22] wiz: _ вполне хватит
[13:09:28] webninja: ага ок
[13:09:37] Typhon: один фиг, всё это условно "приват" %(
[13:09:39] Typhon: %)
[13:09:41] wiz: ага
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[13:11:42] webninja: ну да мне нужно просто ограничить например
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[13:12:13] webninja: я думаю правильнее было бы написать декоратор amirite?
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[14:25:09] wiz: рекурсия не нужна в 95% случаев ибо легко заменяется на список
[14:25:13] wiz: *цикл
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[14:31:20] wiz: http://www.inpic.ru/image/5153/ tail call optimisation ((8
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[15:02:13] acho: всем привет. вопрос по джанге. если я собираюсь использовать вызов pl/pgsql функций для реализации бизнес-логики, мне, выходит, не нужна модель? не понимаю как лаконично связать джангу с вызовом функций postgresql
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[15:06:47] deepwalker: не обязательно надо использовать джнгорм
[15:07:08] deepwalker: можешь свою обертку какую-то сочинить
[15:07:24] deepwalker: или посмотреть sqlalchemy, там что-то было
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[15:07:34] deepwalker: но точно не помню, не возился
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[15:15:20] acho: спасибо
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[15:58:35] Typhon: simpycity лучше, оно куда тоньше sqlalchemy, там, емнип, как раз для вызовов функций обёртки были
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[16:24:17] wiz: /me что-то подсел на пивоталтрекер. напомните, чем он там говно? (=
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[17:12:42] py_two: утро
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[17:13:09] xa4a: py_two: прочитал уже про юникод?
[17:13:32] py_two: xa4a: помнишь таки еще про это ?:)
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[17:14:46] xa4a: значит не прочитал?
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[17:18:21] cutwater: :-)
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[17:19:15] wiz: предлагаю перед войсом устраивать собеседование (=
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[17:19:30] cutwater: предлагаю банить неугодных
[17:20:25] wiz: и жечь неверных
[17:20:42] Typhon: потому что никто не ждал ИСПАНСКУЮ ИНКВИЗИЦИЮ!11!
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[17:26:35] огыешсук: /me . o 0 (пускать только по предъявлению портфолио)
[17:26:45] cutwater: или сисек
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[17:39:52] deepwalker: а нафиг мне тут сиськи?
[17:40:03] deepwalker: сиськи должны быть в пределах доступности
[17:40:46] deepwalker: по этому за сиськи предлагаю пускать только соседок участников : )
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[18:06:15] webninja: я прочитал про уникод
[18:06:27] webninja: у piranha есть на блоге все что нужно знать
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[18:17:41] webninja: логгером вроде научился пользоваться ) норм штука всем рекомендую
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[18:25:30] webninja: кстати кто-то мне подсказывал не делать такие имена методов __parse_thread__ а PEP это как-нибудь регулирует?
[18:26:07] Typhon: да
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[18:26:39] Typhon: do not invent magic names, как-то в таком духе
[18:26:50] Typhon: !wtf pep8
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[18:27:54] Typhon: Never invent such names; only use them as documented.
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[18:28:15] Typhon: __double_leading_and_trailing_underscore__: "magic" objects or attributes that live in user-controlled namespaces.
[18:28:28] webninja: я читал но все так сразу не запомнить
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[18:36:30] Typhon: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.devel/121459 йохо
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[18:54:49] kiR: Почему в WTForms если пробегаться по полям через for т.е http://www.dumpz.org/36590/
добавляется <label for="csrf">Csrf</label> ??

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[18:56:48] xa4a: потому что у тебя в форме есть поле csrf?
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[19:00:34] kiR: нет, форма простая. Вот например если ручками поля в HTML'ке обозначить то <label for="csrf">Csrf</label> не будет
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[19:02:04] xa4a: это если его ручками не обозначить, да
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[19:03:26] kiR: Есть способ избавится от него ?
[19:04:24] xa4a: а) пропускать его в темплейте
[19:04:45] xa4a: там, наверна, что-то типа {% ifnotequals field.type "Hidden" %} ....
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[19:04:58] xa4a: б) найти, где оно суётся в форму и выпилить его там
[19:05:39] kiR: xa4a спасибо, сщас проверю.
[19:05:59] Typhon: а зачем label для скрытого поля?
[19:06:35] xa4a: Typhon: глупые wtforms
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[19:07:05] Typhon: тогда шлите им патч!
[19:07:14] Typhon: явно какое-то тупое поведение
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[19:07:31] Typhon: лучше пусть поправят, чем у себя в коде костые городить
[19:07:36] xa4a: а у меня вот такой вопрос. вот есть решение задачи "посчитать количество бит в двоичном представлении числа" в виде: count = 0
while(num) {
 num &= num-1;
 count++;
}
return count;
[19:07:40] xa4a: как оно работает?
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[19:08:52] Typhon: а тебе именно такое решение хочется? я бы не стал заморачиваться с битовыми операциями и делил бы на два %)
[19:09:09] Typhon: собственно, в последний раз, когда я такое решал (похожее) я так и делал
[19:09:15] xa4a: я тоже..
[19:09:20] xa4a: но интересно, как это работает
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[19:09:44] xa4a: т.к. оно не очевидно, но работает быстрее, чем делить на 2
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[19:10:05] xa4a: иногда
[19:11:26] cutwater: xa4a: в смысле посчитать количество установленных бит в 1 ?
[19:11:29] Typhon: количество "единичных бит" надо считать
[19:11:32] xa4a: да
[19:11:35] cutwater: ну я бы делал так
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[19:12:01] cutwater: while(num) {
count += num & 1;
num >>= 1;
}
[19:12:02] xa4a: почему при n &= n-1 количество единичек уменьшается на 1?
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[19:13:20] xa4a: ага. вроде ясно
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[19:13:59] cutwater: я расписал вроде тоже ясно стало
[19:14:04] cutwater: но это не очевидно имхо
[19:14:34] xa4a: при n-1 получается все нули, что правее самой правой единички (их может быть 0) становятся единичками, а сама самая правая - становится нулём. при & все эти изменённые биты аннигилируются
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[19:15:10] xa4a: т.о. сдыхает самая правая единичка, а все нули, что были правее, также и остаются нулями
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[19:15:48] Typhon: прикольно.
[19:16:04] Typhon: но это блин, не вспомнишь же, к.м.к, когда надо будет
[19:16:10] Typhon: если только не заучивать это %)
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[19:21:21] xa4a: интересно, Кнут об этом писал?
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[19:35:09] py_two: что-то не получается установить egg
[19:35:25] py_two: easy_install.exe package.egg
[19:35:29] py_two: ничего не отписывает
[19:36:12] py_two: и пакет не ставит
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[19:43:50] Typhon: как ты проверяешь, что не ставит? зачем, кстати, вообще качать egg, если можно easy_install packagename
[19:44:01] Typhon: или лучше easy_install pip; pip install packagename
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[19:51:01] py_two: Typhon: да так и делал easy_install package. Он мне слил egg.
[19:51:24] Typhon: куда? в site-packages? если да, то всё ок
[19:51:39] py_two: easy_install.exe name_package.egg и потом поиск делаю по папке с питоном, ничего кроме того самого пакета egg нет в папке
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[19:52:07] py_two: или egg есть модуль, который точно так же работает как и распакованные аналоги ?
[19:52:32] Typhon: egg это зип архив с метаинформацией. питон умеет импортировать и из зипархивов, и из егг
[19:52:34] Typhon: да
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[19:53:06] Typhon: если ты хочешь, чтобы изи_инсталл распаковывал тебе яйца, смотри доки по изи_инсталлу, там ключи есть
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[19:54:41] deepwalker: Typhon, не надо такие ужасы на канале
[19:55:04] Typhon: "распаковывал яйца"? %)
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[20:03:12] py_two: Example 4. Install an already-downloaded .egg file:
easy_install /my_downloads/OtherPackage-3.2.1-py2.3.egg
[20:03:18] py_two: не вижу тут использование ключей
[20:03:50] cutwater: э... а зачем?
[20:03:55] cutwater: py_two: тебе что надо блин?
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[20:05:17] py_two: если в папке питона есть egg, то это полнофункциональный модуль ?
[20:05:19] py_two: или что это
[20:05:35] Typhon: да
[20:05:38] Typhon: выше ответил
[20:05:38] cutwater: да
[20:05:41] Typhon: развёрнуто
[20:05:51] Typhon: но блиать, нельзя подумать головой дальше
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[20:17:13] py_two: точно:)
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[22:18:11] py_two: xyz = x.lower()
db.query(%s) % ("INSERT INTO table_name (blablabla) VALUES ('%s')") % (xyz)
[22:18:20] py_two: что-то не получается у меня так
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[22:18:31] py_two: в си я использовал для формирования wsprintf
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[22:18:45] py_two: в питоне как сформировать запрос с вложенным значением ?:)
[22:18:56] xa4a: py_two: ты про юникод уже прочитал?
[22:19:08] superbobry: теперь еще и про DBAPI придется :)
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[22:22:26] py_two: ахахах:)
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[22:27:41] py_two: superbobry: гм, интересненько. Как же в ковычки засунуть значение?:)
[22:28:00] superbobry: без чтения документации по dpapi наверное никак
[22:28:16] Sevenov: superbobry, какой нафиг dbapi?
[22:28:20] Sevenov: ему туториал нужен
[22:28:28] superbobry: Sevenov: там оно есть
[22:28:28] Sevenov: py_two, docs.python.org
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[22:28:39] Sevenov: superbobry, ну зачем же так прыгать?
[22:29:05] superbobry: я старался быть корректным и не посылать сразу в доки, окей? :)
[22:29:26] superbobry: и так понятно, что на docs.python.org тема раскрыта
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[22:57:27] py_two: superbobry: ясно дело
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