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[00:01:37] deepwalker: у яндекс карт есть неприятные ограничения на апи?
[00:02:23] Typhon: пиранья, вроде бы, писал, что есть
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[00:02:53] Typhon: в контексте locations.in.ua . и потом он на гугловскую фигню какую-то перешёл, где то ли нету ограничений, то ли они человечнее
[00:04:33] deepwalker: надо будет его поймать и выяснить : )
[00:04:34] deepwalker: tnx
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[00:16:27] gf: wiz: вопщем xml нормально работает для вывода документов, но, сука, так его тяжело править!
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[07:00:03] wiz: gf, юзай jinja
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[07:05:41] gf: wiz: чем пример на http://jinja.pocoo.org/ отличается от обычного джанговского? или джанго уже использует именно jinja?
[07:07:37] wiz: ну или джанговские
[07:08:11] gf: wiz: говоря о сложности правки, я имел в виду, что при необходимости вставить один пробел приходится писать примерно следующее:
<w:r w:rsidR="00B0653E" w:rsidRPr="007A66A3"><w:rPr><w:b/><w:color w:val="000000"/><w:sz w:val="40"/><w:lang :val="en-US"/></w:rPr><w:t xml:space="preserve">!!!и только здесь вставляем пробел!!! </w:t> </w:r>
[07:08:14] wiz: мало ли... у меня тут народ прямо в docx насрал php и рад
[07:08:37] gf: wiz: спсб за подстраховку! :)
[07:08:44] wiz: а неразрывный пробел воткнуть?
[07:08:54] gf: &nbsp?
[07:09:09] wiz: ну да, только не entity, а прямо на клаве его набрать через compose
[07:09:19] gf: wiz: ээ?
[07:09:27] gf: не понимаю..
[07:09:34] wiz: обычный пробел: " ". неразрывный: " " (=
[07:09:42] gf: гг
[07:09:54] gf: word подобное игнорирует..
[07:09:59] wiz: хзхз
[07:10:11] wiz: compose это когда ты жмёшь кнопку и набираешь ->, а оно склеивается в →
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[07:10:44] gf: на какую кнопку? :(
[07:10:53] wiz: на какую поставишь в настройках иксов
[07:10:56] gf: ща, погуглю..
[07:10:56] wiz: у меня на winkey
[07:11:09] gf: ээ, а где это настраивается?
[07:11:14] gf: бля..
[07:11:22] wiz: gnome-keyboard-properties
[07:11:23] gf: читать выше..
[07:11:25] wiz: в кедах хз
[07:11:36] gf: у меня awesome.. :)
[07:11:39] wiz: у..
[07:11:46] wiz: тогда в xorg.conf наверно
[07:12:11] gf: ок, сеньк, ща попробую
[07:12:22] wiz: я в html вёрстке постоянно юзаю вместо &nbsp;
[07:12:59] wiz: два обычных композятся в неразрывный
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[07:16:02] webninja: gf а что ты делаешь? у меня как-то была задача док генерировать. (опен офиса) я взял шаблон сделал и тупо вставлял реплейсом )
[07:18:20] wiz: циклы ты тоже реплейсом делал?
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[07:21:10] webninja: не мне нужно было просто текста немножко вставлять
[07:21:28] webninja: а либ чето не нашел для работы
[07:21:31] webninja: может плохо искал
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[07:22:24] webninja: wiz а для жанги есть либы пдф делать из страницы?
[07:25:21] gf: webninja в настоящий момент ценники на автомобили.. дальше кучу всего надо будет: заявления, договоры, формы для печати на бланках страховок, отчеты по страховкам ну и т.д.
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[07:25:40] gf: что есть реплейс?
[07:26:33] webninja: string.replace("маячек", )
[07:27:11] webninja: !g django pdf
[07:27:18] webninja: о!
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[07:30:53] gf: с реплейсом ясно, мне не подойдет.
[07:32:09] gf: webninja если найдешь приемлимый способ быстро клепать шаблоны для ReportLab'a, плз, отпиши!
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[07:33:00] webninja: ок
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[07:35:29] webninja: http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/howto/outputting-pdf/
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[07:35:34] webninja: чето не пойму лежит чтоли?
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[07:43:14] gf: у меня работает
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[08:12:29] Ляпатяпа: видели на хабре три статейки грамотные про ООП в питоне появились?
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[08:52:25] webninja: Ляпатяпа: неа покаж )
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[10:31:21] py_two: утро всем
[10:31:41] py_two: кто возьмется помочь по mysql и remote connect ?
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[10:34:08] py_two: webninja: есть отдельный серв, на котором я повесил mysql, прибиндил mysql к внешнему адресу. Теперь бы разрешить любому пользователю включая root конектится к любой базе
[10:34:30] py_two: а то неудобно работать. Сейчас открыл RDP и локально запускаю скрипт
[10:34:51] webninja: phpmyadmin?
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[10:35:31] webninja: хз
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[10:46:09] webninja: "fdsfsd! fdslkfjsdl? fdsfsd. fdsfsdfs".split(['! ', '? ', '. '])
[10:46:14] webninja: блин так нельзя
[10:46:28] webninja: а есть какая нибудь функция что-то не могу найти
[10:46:31] nmk: re.split
[10:46:38] webninja: а точно ок )
[10:46:40] webninja: спасиб
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[10:51:13] py_two: nmk: скип нетворкинг как раз отключает сеть вроде как и оставляет только 127.0.0.1 или я неправ ?
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[10:56:37] nmk: py_two: ну наверное надо убрать этот параметр из запуска mysqld? :
[10:56:39] nmk: :)
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[10:57:09] nmk: а еще есть ssh тоннель
[10:57:39] wiz_: дайте годный мануал как pyqt4 собирать в exe под венду
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[11:01:16] py_two: nmk: эх....
[11:01:48] py_two: надо набрать типа GRANT SELECT ON mysql.time_zone TO myuser@192.168.0.76 IDENTIFIED BY 'mypassy';
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[11:01:59] py_two: ток заменить идентификаторы на правильные
[11:02:01] webninja: re.split(r'[?!\.]+', line) так вроде работает
[11:02:13] webninja: а как пробел задать? "? "
[11:02:20] webninja: "! "
[11:04:05] Ляпатяпа: наверно "\
[11:04:10] Ляпатяпа: наверно "\ "
[11:04:53] webninja: нет ) я уже пробовал
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[11:05:05] webninja: он тогда считает пробел за разделитель
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[11:05:36] wiz_: гы... cx_freeze нормально зафризил, но в qtwebkit картинки не показываются.. внезапно
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[11:14:06] py_two: ой:)
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[11:15:13] py_two: есть вопрос. Есть функция. Заходим в функцию разбиваем задачу на две\более, выполняем параллельно. Как сделать замерзание отдельных частей функции ?
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[11:15:44] py_two: т.е подфункция выполнила то, что должна выполнить и должна замерзнуть.
[11:15:49] py_two: как реализовать ?
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[11:16:00] py_two: есть какие-то примеры подобные ?
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[11:30:39] deepwalker: py_two, генераторы
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[11:31:01] deepwalker: ну они тоже corouitines, но это можно не сразу срубить : )
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[11:53:27] cutwater: утро
[11:53:31] cutwater: py_two: а ты как всегда вопросишь?
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[12:01:27] cutwater: народ
[12:01:50] cutwater: отговорите меня. у меня все еще глупая идея написать свой веб-фреймворк
[12:01:55] cutwater: тут посмотрел на pyramid
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[12:02:08] cutwater: вроде ниче так, смутило много зависимостей и монструозность
[12:02:15] cutwater: но они вроде как делают все правильно
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[12:18:06] wiz_: /me вот прям только что написал (ж
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[12:20:11] superbobry: cutwater: зачем?
[12:20:28] superbobry: pyramid же собран из уродливых TG и "странных" pylons
[12:20:35] superbobry: надо думать что ничего дельного там не получилось
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[12:20:45] cutwater: ну pyramid как раз таки дельный.
[12:20:49] cutwater: или очень на это похож
[12:20:57] cutwater: вычистить его до "голой идеи"
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[12:21:05] cutwater: и написать как надо и будет конфетка.
[12:21:07] superbobry: какой?
[12:21:16] superbobry: wsgi? :)
[12:21:20] cutwater: :-D
[12:21:33] cutwater: superbobry: ну я допустим хочу написать свой проект
[12:21:43] cutwater: есть выбор фреймворков среди питоновских?
[12:21:58] superbobry: размер / специфика?
[12:22:08] cutwater: ну допустим управление проектами
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[12:22:44] cutwater: размер много всякого разного в одном.
[12:22:53] cutwater: то есть не бложек.
[12:22:54] superbobry: окей, т.е. микрофреймворки сразу выпадают
[12:23:26] cutwater: superbobry: ну смотри. из мейнстрима щас есть выбор

Django, Pyramid, Flask.
[12:23:38] cutwater: другие как-то не пользуются особо популярностью
[12:23:42] superbobry: flask для большой задачи, хмхм
[12:24:04] superbobry: окей, допустим
[12:25:21] Ляпатяпа: а чем джанго то не устраивает?
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[12:25:48] cutwater: Ляпатяпа: да вобщем-то всем
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[12:26:23] Ляпатяпа: просто сам экспериментировал и с микрофреймворками, и с голым wsgi, но вернулся на джангу
[12:26:24] superbobry: /me всегда нравился ореол джанги как недофреймворка на pythonua@c.j.r
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[12:27:06] superbobry: Ляпатяпа: от чего голый wsgi то? и вообще почему не svarga?
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[12:27:35] Ляпатяпа: сваргу не осилил из-за нехватки времени
[12:27:38] cutwater: superbobry: сварга наверно самый вкусный фреймворк из всех.
[12:28:04] Ляпатяпа: самое масштабное, что я изучал за последнее время - туториал по руби
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[12:29:00] cutwater: о да
[12:29:03] cutwater: =)
[12:30:19] Ляпатяпа: надо или менять работу, или бросать девушку:)
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[12:31:39] Typhon: superbobry: фласк для большой задачи может быть ок, как раз мешаться не будет
[12:31:58] superbobry: мешаться?
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[12:32:29] mishok13: мне кажется что фласк исключительно для маленьких задач
[12:32:32] webninja: че джанго плохо?
[12:32:53] webninja: хмм ну малнекие задачи это очень относительно )
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[12:33:13] webninja: вот мне нужно сайт щаз написать. в принципе думаю это задача маленькая, а для меня большая )
[12:33:37] webninja: а фласк какие темлейты юзает?
[12:33:42] webninja: жинжа?
[12:33:57] cutwater: webninja: да
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[12:34:13] webninja: а орм там есть?
[12:34:21] mishok13: sa
[12:34:27] webninja: ууу
[12:34:41] superbobry: да-да, SA отличный пример user friendly API
[12:35:01] superbobry: в отличие от фласка
[12:35:02] cutwater: SA отличный пример ORM
[12:35:05] mishok13: что такое user friendly api?
[12:35:12] mishok13: тем более в контексте ORM?
[12:35:14] webninja: ну там всякие сессии
[12:35:16] webninja: и т.д.
[12:35:18] webninja: бррр
[12:35:22] mishok13: ну, привет
[12:35:35] mishok13: а как иначе?
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[12:35:43] superbobry: ну хотя для нее есть elixyr или как он там пишется
[12:35:44] mishok13: скрыть всю реальную сложность?
[12:35:49] mishok13: замаскировать ее, точнее
[12:35:55] superbobry: mishok13: ну ты же пользуешь орм чтобы не думать о том как это будет в бд
[12:35:56] webninja: lf
[12:36:04] webninja: да
[12:36:06] superbobry: а тут получается тот же sql только с конструкциями питона
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[12:36:12] superbobry: не кошерно как то
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[12:36:14] webninja: как система транзакции осуществяет и т.д.
[12:36:15] cutwater: superbobry: дык разные уровни абстракции то
[12:36:17] cutwater: как раз таки кошерно
[12:36:24] cutwater: проверено не в вебной части
[12:36:37] superbobry: разные, конечно -- просто без эликсира / by default он слишком low level
[12:36:38] mishok13: superbobry, бгыгыгы
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[12:37:22] mishok13: если не думать "как это будет в бд" то картина мира будет сильно упрощенной
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[12:37:43] superbobry: not really
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[12:37:50] webninja: ну норм ) я же не думаю как это будет на asm и как это впишется в 64 битную архитектуру
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[12:38:21] superbobry: это как на хабре тут чувак мне говорил недавно что typeof NaN == "number" это логично, why should i care?
[12:38:37] superbobry: типа "это же число!"
[12:38:47] superbobry: только там все биты в 1 установлены
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[13:34:02] cutwater: кто-нибудь в регекспах разбирается?
[13:34:29] cutwater: строка

'12345 12345&xxx 12345'
[13:34:44] cutwater: надо вырезать все последовательности чисел, после которых не стоит &
[13:35:22] cutwater: вопрос почему
\d+(?!&)
работает не корректно, тогда как
(?!\d+&)\d+
работает как надо
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[13:43:08] xa4a: cutwater: первое работает корректно. второй 1234 - ведь последовательность чисел, после которой не &, а ещё одна цифра - 5
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[13:43:17] xa4a: \d+(?![&\d])
[13:45:36] xa4a: а второе работает, т.к. означает "заматчить строку, у которой (вначале не (циферки и &)) и вначале циферки
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[13:56:53] webninja: я щаз заюзал nltk ваще занятная штука
[13:57:22] cutwater: xa4a: спасибо. разобрался.
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[14:04:01] огыешсук: а как именно ты его заюзал?
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[14:05:18] webninja: мне нужно было текст разбить на предложения
[14:05:45] webninja: ну и там можно считать кол-во вхождений и т.д.
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[14:09:17] xa4a: хм.. никто не встречал наглядного объяснения, что происходит в http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longest_increasing_subsequence ?
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[14:09:40] xa4a: ну или кто скажет человеческим языком, что в M складывается
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[14:14:26] mishok13: M[j] — stores the position k of the smallest value X[k] such that there is an increasing subsequence of length j ending at X[k] on the range k ≤ i (note we have j ≤ k ≤ i here).
[14:15:03] mishok13: это же очевидно!
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[14:19:05] webninja: re.split(r'[?!\.]+', line)
[14:19:26] webninja: а как пробел задать после каждого разделителя? "? ", "! "
[14:19:32] gf: о чем говорит ошибка: "[Errno 32] Broken pipe", на локальной машине?
[14:20:02] xa4a: webninja: (?:[…] )+
[14:20:19] xa4a: webninja: (?:[…]\s+)+
[14:20:23] gf: и как ее победить..?
[14:20:31] webninja: спасиб
[14:20:32] xa4a: gf: джанга?
[14:20:35] gf: ага
[14:20:41] xa4a: наверна броузер трубу сломал
[14:20:48] gf: трубу?
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[14:21:01] xa4a: закрыл сокет раньше, чем сервер туда закончил писать
[14:21:12] xa4a: например, ушёл со страницы, или стоп жмякнул
[14:21:33] xa4a: я себе это всегда так представлял
[14:21:57] gf: хм.. ошибка вылазит сразу же после запроса..
[14:22:03] gf: мгновенно..
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[14:23:14] xa4a: может что-то другое тогда
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[14:23:59] webninja: xa4a: ух ты! фантастика, работает как надо регулярка ) спасиб!
[14:24:07] gf: блин, ошибка вылазит когда я с виндовой машины запрашиваю джанго-сервер разработчика, который на линукс-ноуте, но на нем же завел винду на виртуалБоксе, запрашиваю с нее - все в порядке..
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[14:25:49] gf: webninja почитай книжки по регуляркам.. Джеффри Фридла например..
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[14:26:08] webninja: читал мануал
[14:26:11] gf: регулярные выражения напоминают настоящую магию! :)
[14:26:26] gf: мануал? по чему?
[14:26:28] webninja: да ) ну я простые по шаблону составляю
[14:26:36] webninja: по регуляркам в питоне
[14:26:37] gf: реализаций регеков куча
[14:26:54] gf: даже в питоне они отличаются..
[14:27:10] webninja: в жанге тоже регулярки в url
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[14:28:53] xa4a: gf: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2868059/django-webkit-broken-pipe
[14:29:01] xa4a: webninja: это не реализация
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[14:30:59] gf: xa4a ага, спасибо
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[14:31:22] gf: файрфокс на этой же машине нормално работает, а вот хром тупит.. :(
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[16:34:37] py_two: >>> d2['spam'] # Извлечение значения по ключу
[16:34:47] py_two: чего-то у меня не получается извлечь по ключу
[16:35:58] py_two: print d["yesyes"]
KeyError: 'yesyes'
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[16:36:45] py_two: а вот по индексу - пожалуйста, все нормально
[16:36:49] cutwater: py_two: ну очевидно же что ключа такого там нет
[16:36:55] cutwater: py_two: покажи код штоле
[16:37:02] cutwater: что такое d2, d ?
[16:37:08] py_two: d = {}
d[0] = {"yesyes":[2,4]}
print d["yesyes"]
[16:37:28] cutwater: пиздец
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[16:37:37] py_two: ну так в книге написано
[16:37:37] cutwater: py_two: d[0]["yesyes"]
[16:37:44] cutwater: э..
[16:37:52] cutwater: py_two: да ну в книге так написано?
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[16:38:03] cutwater: что к словарю можно по индексу обращаться?
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[16:38:08] cutwater: py_two: да ты гонишь
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[16:38:31] cutwater: py_two: короче в твоем примере написан феерический бред
[16:38:57] py_two: ну смотри прямо из книги:
% python
>>> d2 = {'spam': 2, 'ham': 1, 'eggs': 3} # Создание словаря
>>> d2['spam'] # Извлечение значения по ключу
[16:39:21] cutwater: и как это связано с тем что ты запостил выше
[16:39:50] py_two: ну я пробывал print repr(d["yesyes")
[16:39:55] py_two: какая фиг разница ?
[16:40:08] cutwater: разница между чем и чем
[16:40:16] cutwater: пробывал нет такого слова в русском языке
[16:40:45] mishok13: я чото не улавливаю
[16:40:46] cutwater: py_two: разница между тем бредом, что ты запостил выше и примером из книги?
[16:40:48] cutwater: разуй глаза
[16:40:55] cutwater: [16:37:06] <py_two> d = {}
d[0] = {"yesyes":[2,4]}
print d["yesyes"]
[16:41:03] mishok13: ты написал два разных примера и спрашиваешь почему они по-разному работают?
[16:41:18] cutwater: mishok13: я даже не знаю с чего начать ему объяснять почему тут написан абсурд
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[16:42:00] py_two: у меня привычка си + указатели
[16:42:06] py_two: вот в чем наверное беда:)
[16:42:18] py_two: ладно, понял. Буду разбираться
[16:42:23] cutwater: странно
[16:42:36] cutwater: это никак не связано с привычкой си + указатели
[16:43:03] cutwater: py_two: ты создаешь объект словаря, присваиваешь ему не по "индексу" а создаешь ключ 0, которому присваиваешь еще один словарь
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[16:43:57] cutwater: py_two: словарь он как бы вообще не упорядочен.
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[16:44:10] py_two: понял:)
[16:44:19] py_two: спасибо за выдержку прежде всего
[16:44:47] cutwater: то есть в твоем случае получается что-то вроде

{ 0: {"yesyes": [2,4] } }
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[18:11:56] webninja: брррр указатели
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[18:12:28] cutwater: webninja: указатели няшны и просты по своей природе
[18:12:55] webninja: ну уж нет
[18:13:06] cutwater: ты не любишь указатели?
[18:13:09] webninja: я помню список делали на си++
[18:13:16] webninja: брррр
[18:13:33] cutwater: webninja: да там же нет ничего сложного ну
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[18:13:43] webninja: ну как нет. можно забыть удалить
[18:13:53] cutwater: RAII же в С++
[18:13:57] webninja: много что можно. а если много что можно это обязательно случится
[18:14:07] cutwater: :-D
[18:14:48] webninja: за и зачем тебе думать про указатели? ваще эти ЯП не более чем инструмент
[18:15:53] webninja: можно ковырять стенку ручным дрелем, а можно взять перфоратор с аккумулятором.
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[18:16:40] webninja: собственно то же и с массивами. вот нет их в питоне и пофигу. есть списки зато )
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[18:17:07] webninja: нет указателей, зато есть ссылки на объекты
[18:17:15] webninja: удобно )
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[18:18:53] Tony: с svn кто вплотную работает?\
[18:19:12] Tony: SSL handshake failed: Secure connection truncated # и такое только у меня, у всех остальных ок
[18:19:12] webninja: все эти технологии идут по пути абстрагирования от ненужных деталей. собственно например bobry нелестно отзывается об алхимии - они не вписываются в этот принцип.
[18:20:14] Tony: указатели как php с виду просто, а использовать пиздец
[18:20:28] Tony: один хуй последний раз когда я писал на С++ я уже знал о шаредпоинтерах
[18:20:51] cutwater: ололо
[18:20:55] cutwater: вы ниасилили указатели
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[18:21:11] Tony: асилили. просто бред это использовать в 99.9% случаев
[18:21:33] cutwater: Tony: дык никто не говорит об их использовании в 99% случаев
[18:21:41] Tony: cutwater, ok
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[18:21:49] cutwater: но необходимость таки работать с данными возникает
[18:21:49] Tony: по svn кто подскажет?
[18:22:30] cutwater: Tony: телепаты?
[18:22:41] Tony: на мой взгляд это оправдано лишь в 2 случаях: 1. производительность. 2. когда есть надобность в полной предсказуемости кода.
[18:22:44] webninja: Tony у тебя что-то с сертификатами
[18:22:51] webninja: попробуй заново
[18:23:00] Tony: webninja, да понятно что с сертификатами.
[18:23:01] webninja: я с гитом тоже помучался прежде чем сделать
[18:23:07] Tony: webninja, целый день пробовал
[18:23:07] cutwater: Tony: это надо в случаях обработки потока двоичных данных хотя бы.
[18:23:35] cutwater: всяческие приблуды языков где нет прямой работы с памятью выглядят как костыли.
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[18:23:57] webninja: ну как блин контейнеры разные наверняка можно сделать
[18:24:09] Tony: так бля. а чего-то сегодня везде косяки с сертификатами у меня...
[18:24:15] Tony: это у меня или мой пров прикалывается?
[18:24:30] webninja: так так
[18:24:32] webninja: может быть
[18:24:39] webninja: по какому порту идет это?
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[18:24:45] Tony: 443
[18:25:22] webninja: HTTPS URLs begin with "https://" and use port 443 by default.
[18:25:24] webninja: ага
[18:25:31] webninja: у тебя линух?
[18:25:33] Tony: ага
[18:25:45] Tony: не обновлялся давно
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[18:26:17] webninja: глянь netstat слушает ли порт этот
[18:26:38] Tony: у меня доступа к серваку нет
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[18:27:22] Tony: точно же...
[18:27:25] Tony: ssl обновился
[18:27:29] Tony: openssl
[18:27:32] webninja: tcp 0 0 *:https *:* LISTEN
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[18:31:09] Tony: cutwater, а так бывает смешно даже. сидит какой-то студент пишет интерфейс на сиджваплюс который достаточно в web переложить и сразу придать ему кросплатформенность...
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[18:32:47] wiz: охбля
[18:32:55] wiz: у меня теперь слева такой вот сидит
[18:33:11] cutwater: Tony: Qt же ну
[18:33:22] Tony: ну да или qt
[18:33:43] wiz: особенно мне «нравятся» его коммиты: version 3.1, version 3.2, version 3.2.1
[18:33:45] Tony: а начинаешь ему что-то говорить про языки более высокого уровня, у него еще юношеский максимализм на счет управления памятью.
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[18:34:03] Tony: вот 99.9% программистов С++ это как раз такие.
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[18:34:07] cutwater: ЛОЛШТО
[18:34:13] cutwater: Tony: может все таки ниасилил
[18:34:24] Tony: cutwater, может всетаки так и есть.
[18:35:11] cutwater: Tony: ну ты поди напиши какую-нибудь скажем Riviera PRO на python, pyqt, web, whatever
[18:35:24] cutwater: или хотя бы на .NET / Java
[18:35:33] cutwater: а потом посмотрим как ты запоешь про ручное управление памятью
[18:35:39] Tony: это не спорю.
[18:35:51] Typhon: что такое эта ваша ривьера?
[18:36:01] cutwater: она как бы не наша
[18:36:02] cutwater: http://www.aldec.com/products/riviera/
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[18:36:16] Tony: но опять же. сколько там именно гуй? и нужно ли его писать на С/C++ не проще либу на нем, а остальное на чем-то более грамотном...
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[18:36:38] Typhon: cutwater: и почему это нельзя на дотнет/жава?
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[18:36:57] cutwater: Typhon: ну во-первых джава таки тормоз. дотнет не кроссплатформ.
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[18:37:19] cutwater: а гуй там процентов 40% от всего по объемам. так что весьма таки гуй навороченый и тоже требовательный к производительности
[18:37:38] xa4a: cutwater: в джаве тормоз только UI
[18:37:41] Typhon: + в любом большом почти проекте на цэплюсплюс делают свою сборку мусора
[18:37:49] Typhon: на рефкаунтах
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[18:38:09] Typhon: и смысл пилить самому, если можно современные гц пользовать?
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[18:38:56] Tony: алсо. я в последний раз наблюдал программистов сипляспляс когда они писали свою реализацию mq не зная про протоколы и прочее. смешно было.
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[18:41:30] webninja: ух ривьера чем то напомнила Reactor
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[18:42:46] webninja: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reaktor
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[18:44:24] webninja: тоже наверное на высоком уровне не напишешь )
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[18:59:24] cutwater: xa4a: знаю. но он таки тормоз
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[19:53:13] asou: Привет. Никто под вендами не сидит? Как у вас скрипты запускаются из консоли?
[19:53:24] asou: python whatever.py не работает почему-то.
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[19:53:44] asou: "python" не является внутренней или внешней
командой, исполняемой программой или пакетным файлом.
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[19:56:20] xa4a: так же как и не под виндами
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[19:56:32] xa4a: нужно, чтобы бинарник был в одном из каталогов из %PATH%
[19:56:38] xa4a: бинарник python.exe
[19:57:06] asou: Что это за %PATH%?
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[19:57:28] wiz: тоже что и $PATH
[19:57:28] xa4a: переменная окружения
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[19:57:59] asou: Он гуями редактируется как-нибудь? Сорри за безмозглые вопросы.
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[20:00:10] xa4a: где-то в настройках "Мой компьютер"
[20:00:16] xa4a: в свойствах
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[20:01:29] asou: Не могу посмотреть, эмм. Мой компьютер -> Настройки -> Свойства -> ... там что?
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[20:08:22] asou: Ладно спасибо.
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[20:33:06] xa4a: 13-го kyiv.py. внезапно
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[21:37:00] wiz: 13-го чего?
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[21:41:16] Typhon: а я 11 еду на ляйбах и поэтому 13го пойду работать %) (если это март)
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[23:03:04] deepwalker: кто где хостит питоно проект? У меня тут концепция изменилась, делаю насыщенный ресурс
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[23:03:35] deepwalker: но голову же сломать можно на этой туче хостингов : (
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