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[00:02:58] py_two: на веки я твой раб
[00:03:03] py_two: о господин
[00:03:14] py_two: Typhon: спасибо за совет;)
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[08:50:26] wiz_: а есть какой-нибудь жабер сервер на питоне чтобы тупо только s2s и самые основы умел?
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[08:57:58] webninja: wiz_: хз мы вот ставили ejabberd на erlang вроде норм работает
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[08:58:51] webninja: а ваще мне бы тоже пригодился жаббер сервер
[08:59:08] webninja: на питоне простенький )
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[09:07:33] wiz_: ежей у меня уже целый зоопарк
[09:07:42] wiz_: на ноде есть вроде довольно тривиальный
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[09:43:19] alecs: приветы. в jutda/helpdesk в decode_header в начале функции идёт такое :
[09:43:22] alecs: try:
header = str(header)
except:
print header
assert False
[09:43:30] alecs: и очень редко на нём валится
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[09:43:45] alecs: что если заголовок не конвертируется в строку
[09:43:58] alecs: такого не должно быть по идее ?
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[09:45:57] Ляпатяпа: и что пишет? какого типа header? там может спец-символы юникодные или еще какая бяка
[09:46:17] Typhon: помните крутую презентацию "как делать презентации"? не могу найти, подскажите :)
[09:46:17] Ляпатяпа: трейс надо прикладывать
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[09:47:31] Typhon: http://www.slideshare.net/jessedee/steal-this-presentation-5038209
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[11:25:47] webninja: а как возможные эксцепты предусмотреть?
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[11:28:12] Typhon: как сказано в пеп8
[11:28:24] Typhon: совать в трай блок только то, что ты хочешь обрабатывать
[11:28:27] Typhon: только тот участок кода
[11:28:37] Typhon: и соот-но только тек ексепшны ловить, который ты хочешь ловить
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[11:32:21] superbobry: Typhon: шота ты тут один на все вопросы отвечаешь, где все? О_О
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[11:38:51] Typhon: работают ^_^
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[11:39:56] Ляпатяпа: угу
[11:40:11] Ляпатяпа: я уже заебался с этими ифреймами
[11:40:17] Ляпатяпа: нихуя не пашет
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[11:41:36] mishok13_: /me прибил плинтуса, например
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[11:43:25] Typhon: mishok13_: крут, с желобами для проводов? трудоёмко плинтуса менять? а то я тут хотел сменить, чтобы провода пустить, но потом решил по плинтусу просто, чтобы со сменой не заморачиваться:)
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[11:43:46] mishok13_: ну, желоба есть
[11:43:51] mishok13_: а проводов там нету :)
[11:44:38] wiz_: !google death by powerpoint
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[11:45:03] wiz_: судя по названию, jessedee действительно её steal
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[11:48:34] _lorien: /me песенку написал
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[11:48:49] webninja: покаж
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[11:48:50] webninja: лориен
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[11:48:55] webninja: помоги с парсингом )
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[11:49:18] _lorien: http://prostopleer.com/#/tracks/4794781akMl
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[11:49:24] _lorien: а у чом вопрос?
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[11:50:27] webninja: в личку кинул
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[11:52:13] webninja: ха норм
[11:52:34] webninja: могу ударные сделать. ты метроном юзал?
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[11:53:19] _lorien: нет, я с середины по линолеуму ногой бил )
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[11:54:09] _lorien: да ударные бы там не помешали, да я не знаю, есть ли смысл заморачиваться, если ударные, то надо записывать заново тогда в норм качестве ) это я просто на микрофон нетбука записал на кухне
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[11:55:42] webninja: я тоже пишу потихой =) http://net4me.us/ccd3.mp3
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[11:58:42] py_two: Typhon: привет
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[12:01:25] _lorien: webninja: прикольно )
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[12:03:03] webninja: доделать все времени нет. =) попробую на вых
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[12:03:35] _lorien: я когда тоже начинал баловаться фрутилупсом, но чё-т забил
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[12:03:58] _lorien: потом ещё пару лет наблюдал как девушка музыку пишет во всяких кубейсах
[12:03:58] webninja: 2а года побалуйся будет норм ) так же как в программировании наверное.
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[12:05:52] webninja: фрукт быстрее в плане удобнее. кубэйс это такая старая академическая школа ) как си с плюсами. там так же но дольше. местами удобнее канешно но в общем не особо.
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[12:10:48] _lorien: да я помню мы спорили в сео-конфе )
[12:12:04] _lorien: webninja: http://prostopleer.com/#/tracks/4606157s4B5 ещё одна песенка :)
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[13:18:55] webninja: четкий дизайн )\
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[13:42:25] py_two: а я вот в последнее время разбаловался программами:)
[13:42:34] py_two: столько халявного софта появилось нужного
[13:42:37] py_two: аж прямо и не верится
[13:43:10] py_two: раньше приходилось его кодить, а ща на msi нажал и пдыдышь и стоит вещичка
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[13:51:05] wiz_: Какой визивиг проще всего всунуть в джанго админку?
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[13:53:46] gigimon: как же его
[13:53:49] gigimon: самый популярный та
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[14:06:05] py_two: да, ниче так штучка
[14:06:16] py_two: но то, что он генерит лучше в сорсе не смотреть
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[14:17:16] maxp: уважаемые, снимите меня с тормоза, как посчитать количество точек в строке?
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[14:18:00] maxp: len( [c for c in s if c == '.'] ) как-то корявенько
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[14:19:57] nott: x.count('.')
[14:19:58] maxp: use string.count()
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[14:20:04] maxp: спасибо
[14:20:12] maxp: до меня тоже только что дошло :)
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[14:21:00] maxp: формулировка вопроса помогает спрыгнуть с тупняка :)
[14:22:01] maxp: интересно, а много здесь людей, пишущих на Clojure?
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[14:33:37] webninja: уважаемые снимите меня тоже с тормаза : tml = "text %(insert) text"
не могу найти как там словарь передовать?
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[14:34:29] Typhon: str.format
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[14:34:51] webninja: не можно же как то именовать %s %d
[14:34:53] Typhon: забей на "%"
[14:35:05] webninja: а почему?
[14:35:11] Typhon: используй форматирование по-новому
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[14:35:38] Typhon: http://docs.python.org/library/stdtypes.html#str.format
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[14:35:50] webninja: читаю уже )
[14:35:53] Typhon: http://docs.python.org/library/stdtypes.html#string-formatting
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[14:42:49] Typhon: webninja: а если таки придётся под <2.6 писать,
>>> "%(name)s" % {'name': 'ololo'}
'ololo'
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[15:14:08] wiz_: /me не догоняет как с этими static files в джанге работать и в граплях в частности
[15:14:54] slav0nic: кидаешь в аппу и всё)
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[15:24:39] mr.oduvan: друзья-товарищи
[15:24:42] mr.oduvan: помогите
[15:24:45] mr.oduvan: я не местный
[15:24:51] xa4a: !kck mr.oduvan
[15:24:56] mr.oduvan: и вопросы у меня не по теме
[15:24:58] mr.oduvan: нет нет
[15:24:59] xa4a: !kik mr.oduvan
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[15:25:37] mr.oduvan: xa4a, это что за неудачные залятья ты на меня насылаешь, Эльф?
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[15:25:56] mr.oduvan: ну даладно
[15:26:05] mr.oduvan: все ночь не спал
[15:26:16] mr.oduvan: кто-то знает адекватную крогу для скринкаста
[15:26:24] mr.oduvan: писать видео с екрана
[15:26:35] mr.oduvan: с нормальным качеством не во фла а в ави
[15:27:29] xa4a: OS хотя бы скажи
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[15:27:58] mr.oduvan: убунта или винда 7ая
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[15:29:28] mr.oduvan: но чтоб авишка была адекватная,с ней потом через адоб премьер работать
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[15:36:40] wiz_: пипец, я сейчас прокляну всю эту админку с tinymce
[15:37:06] mr.oduvan: )))))))))
[15:38:55] dicos: wiz_, тут есть файловый менеджер без граппели https://github.com/qrilka/django-filebrowser-no-grappelli-and-uploadify
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[17:05:47] webninja: так в гугле поищи
[17:05:56] webninja: там есть много прог даких они все норм
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[17:53:38] deepwalker: Хорошее знание одного из объектно-ориентированных языков программирования (C#, Java, C++, Python, PHP, Ruby, Delphi и проч.) обязательно;
Участие в разработке коробочного программного обеспечения на языке Python с использованием Django.
[17:53:49] deepwalker: OMG, я себе представляю гогвнокод внутри коробочного продукта
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[17:54:35] deepwalker: будет смесь php/delphi/java на питоне :-D
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[17:55:24] wiz: поверх .net
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[18:23:10] Typhon: deepwalker: урлы!
[18:23:30] deepwalker: http://pyjob.ru/job/99/
[18:23:37] deepwalker: думал 100% населения подписано
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[18:23:53] Typhon: подписано
[18:23:58] wiz is now online
[18:24:06] Typhon: но не постоянно ж рссы проверять :)
[18:24:28] Typhon: "в перерывах между сном и бездельем я ещё и программистом подрабатываю" %)
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[18:40:42] py_two: да, прийдется ставить линукс
[18:40:55] py_two: не хочу...
[18:41:04] py_two: вот так хотелось без линукса
[18:41:16] py_two: все работает в венде
[18:41:32] py_two: ща начнется. То отвалилось, то не работает
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[18:42:17] py_two: то еще не починили
[18:42:27] py_two: а вот это починили, но оно работает криво
[18:42:31] py_two: блин.
[18:42:48] wiz: отлично работает чо
[18:43:12] py_two: виндовс отлично работает
[18:43:19] py_two: линукс отлично глюкавит
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[18:44:28] py_two: ладно
[18:44:36] py_two: что посоветуете из дистрибьютивов ?
[18:44:44] py_two: ставится для питона
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[18:44:51] py_two: дебиан ?
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[18:45:32] py_two: там наверное траблы со всякими девелом пакетами
[18:45:42] deepwalker: py_two, оставь ты это
[18:45:47] py_two: неудобно будет устанавливать и собирать пакеты под питон
[18:45:52] deepwalker: начнешь доставать всех глючным линуксом
[18:46:12] py_two: deepwalker: верь мне. Нет, не буду
[18:46:21] deepwalker: не могу, ты уже начал
[18:46:39] py_two: deepwalker: я не жаловался, я констатировал факт
[18:46:53] deepwalker: это факт в твоей реальности
[18:47:02] deepwalker: мне в линуксе живется в порядки проще
[18:47:09] py_two: чем ?
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[18:47:37] deepwalker: интервью?
[18:47:44] py_two: таки да
[18:48:29] deepwalker: таки облом :-P я занят
[18:48:42] py_two: :)
[18:48:46] py_two: наломщик
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[18:49:50] deepwalker: чёкаво?
[18:51:09] py_two: deepwalker: по-твоему наверное http://distfiles.gentoo.org/releases/x86/autobuilds/current-iso/ ваще рулез нереальный
[18:51:19] py_two: все верно обрисовал ?
[18:51:36] deepwalker: не, я юзаю тихо убунту и не парюсь
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[18:52:05] py_two: а ну ок:)
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[18:52:11] py_two: это уже более-менее
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[18:52:22] py_two: а я думал ты хардкорный человек
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[20:12:46] py_two: https://privatepaste.com/c2ac2c9299
[20:12:50] py_two: прошу помощи:)
[20:13:38] py_two: https://privatepaste.com/795430cf8a
[20:13:44] py_two: второй - уточненный вариант
[20:14:02] py_two: deepwalker: я хоть с вами не дружу, но от помощи не откажусь
[20:14:09] py_two: :)
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[20:15:49] Typhon: word.decode('utf8').encode('utf8')
[20:17:11] Typhon: перевожу: возьми строку ДЕКОДИРУЙ её из кодировки ютф-8 в "ЮНИКОДныйобъект", а затем КОДИРУЙ "юникодныйобъект" в строку, используя кодировку utf-8
[20:17:28] Typhon: X == (X - A + A) типа
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[20:17:41] py_two: Typhon: give me example
[20:17:55] Typhon: очевидно, тебе только половина действий нужна
[20:18:08] Typhon: ДЕКОДирование _строки_ в _юникод_
[20:18:29] Typhon: !wtf unicode
[20:18:44] Typhon: http://solovyov.net/blog/2009/07/21/unicode-in-python2x/
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[20:22:17] xa4a: py_two, py_two...
[20:22:20] py_two: оу!
[20:22:30] py_two: как я чето запарился с этими кодировками
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[20:22:41] py_two: у меня уже скоро крыша съедет
[20:22:45] py_two: или уже съехала
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[20:30:43] webninja: _meta_tags = "{% meta %}\n%(meta)s\n{% endmeta %}\n"
[20:30:56] webninja: тэкс а как нибудь можно экранировать эти %?
[20:31:15] webninja: return self._meta_tags % { "meta": meta_text } как бы не работае
[20:31:48] Typhon: э?
[20:31:59] Typhon: 1) используй .format вместо "%"
[20:32:11] Typhon: 2) зачем ты _руками_ вставляешь в ТЕМПЛЕЙТ значения?
[20:32:31] webninja: потому что они из базы берутся. а темплейт от киракса
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[20:33:26] Typhon: ну а в темлпейтках cyrax'а нету что ли способ пихнуть значение?
[20:33:40] webninja: "The sum of 1 + 2 is {0}".format(1+2)
брр некрасиво
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[20:37:08] webninja: Typhon: нету ) файл нужно генерировать
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[20:39:39] webninja: return self._meta_tags.format(meta_text)
[20:39:50] webninja: Exception Value: '% meta %' пипец и тут ругается
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[20:40:29] webninja: потому что {} =)
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[20:41:42] webninja: все понял
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[20:42:36] webninja: внимательное чтение доков творит чудеса )
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[20:43:31] webninja: если бы это была бы какая нибудь англоязычная конфа было бы так why this hit happens? it's because you're dumb
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[20:48:14] Typhon: {{ -- чтобы экранировать
[20:48:47] webninja: ага
[20:49:41] webninja: я так понял рекомендуют использовать формат т.к. это будет основной фигней в 3ем питоне
[20:50:00] Typhon: "основной фигнёй" -- ага, типа того
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[20:58:16] webninja: "Bring me a {}" хм это должно быть эквивалентом {0} судя по докам но чето ошибку выдает
[20:59:41] Typhon: 2.7 vs 2.6
[20:59:46] webninja: 2.6
[20:59:51] Typhon: в 2.6 ещё нельзя пустой :(
[20:59:56] webninja: сцуки )
[21:00:00] webninja: откуда ты все знаешь? )
[21:00:01] Typhon: АПГРЕЙДЬСЯ!
[21:00:07] Typhon: не всё
[21:00:12] webninja: да у меня убунту дефолт реп
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[21:00:31] webninja: судо апт гет поставил
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[21:44:56] БТРкO: хай
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[21:45:59] БТРкO: народ, вопрос животрепещущий, где urllib2 качнуть с инсталятором для винды?
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[21:47:25] Typhon: urllib2 включён в стандартную библиотеку питона. качать его не надо
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[21:48:20] БТРкO: а cookielib тоже включен?
[21:48:37] Typhon: http://docs.python.org/library/index.html
[21:49:02] Typhon: + у тебя же интерпретатор под рукой есть? можно и проверить :-)
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[21:51:11] БТРкO: Typhon: у меня линукс
[21:51:32] Typhon: и что? :-)
[21:51:51] Typhon: если не указано обратного, все модули в стдлиб есть на всех платформах
[21:52:12] gigimon: Typhon: ты че, у него линукс!
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[21:54:46] БТРкO: Typhon: просто под линуксом все разбито по модулям, и если он нужен, то необходимо его поставить отдельно. Вот у меня и созрел вопрос начет "Где скачать тот или иной модуль под винду" Спасибо что прояснил
[21:55:35] Typhon: а дополнительные модели для питона ставятся с попощью pip или easy_install -- и под венду, как правило, тоже.
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[22:01:39] БТРкO: как проще в винде питоновые консольные скрипты запускать? если тупо на него щелкнуть оно запустится в терминале?
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[22:02:46] Typhon: да, если ты сменишь расширение на pyw, то окошко консоли не отобразится
[22:02:50] Typhon: полезно для гуи и демонов
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[22:04:03] gigimon: БТРкO: под винду также как под линукс pip и easy_install, правда иногда проблемы могут быть с модулями, которые компилируют, для них обычно msi есть
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[22:14:26] БТРкO: почему винда до сих пор не знает юникода?
[22:15:13] Typhon: в смысле, "не знает"?
[22:15:32] Typhon: в винде в консоле cp800-c-чем-то
[22:15:46] БТРкO: [22:11:32] <БТРкО> не питон надо открывать, а сам скрипт
[22:12:11] <Шнурр> Открыл...какие то иероглифы пошли
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[22:16:03] gigimon: ты нсачала определись где он и что открывает)
[22:16:08] БТРкO: у меня там православный юникод
[22:16:19] gigimon: а винда незнает в консоли, т.к. консоль это дос режим
[22:16:23] gigimon: юзайте powershell
[22:16:28] БТРкO: gigimon: он запускает двойным кликом на скрипте
[22:17:17] БТРкO: боюсь этот хомячек не осилит повершелл
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[22:17:46] БТРкO: я ему простые действия еле втолковал
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[22:18:03] gigimon: напиши ему интерфейс на tk куда выводи лог работы программы
[22:18:07] gigimon: или что она там выводит
[22:19:52] Typhon: БТРкO, надо было юникод печатать в своем скрипте, а не utf-8
[22:20:02] Typhon: тогда бы вендовый интерпретатор всё нормально отобразил
[22:20:29] БТРкO: капец как все сложно в этой винде.
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[22:21:07] БТРкO: pytk надо ставить отдельно? угадал?
[22:21:10] Typhon: да не, в линуксе тебе б тоже надо было с юникодом работать и поручать енкодинги разные внешним штукам
[22:22:01] Typhon: кстати, возможно тебе будет полезно py2exe
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[22:23:52] БТРкO: Typhon: в линуксе какраз хватает одной строчки чтоб скрипт работал с юникодом
[22:23:59] БТРкO: *как раз
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[22:35:33] asou: pytk (которая Tkinter) идет с вендовым питоном по умолчанию. По крайней мере так 3 года назад было.
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[22:36:27] asou: На ней еще убогая сапр по-умолчанию написана.
[22:36:49] БТРкO: ага. уже нашел.
[22:37:04] БТРкO: мда, чего только не напихали в нее
[22:37:31] asou: Через эту сапр можешь его научить запускать попробовать кстати.
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