[00:00:17] Dukobpa3: Typhon: я ж там сделал типа что мейн.ру всех инициализирует и запускает - так что получается один процесс
[00:01:25] Dukobpa3: хотя.... вебморды это что... это просто слушатель сокета или хттп-рест. Он то один, а сколько раз у него спросили или сколько раз к нему приконнектились - это параметр. Плюс список коннектов к этому процессу
[00:01:34] Dukobpa3: так что скорее всего и там в один процесс влезу
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[00:08:03] webninja: ух ты какие интересные вещи вы рассказываете
[00:08:04] webninja: скажите
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[00:09:02] webninja: у меня есть некий долговременный процесс, о выполнении которого я хочу извещать пользователя. и чето до сих пор не могу в голове картину ясную составить как это сделать
[00:09:56] Typhon: Dukobpa3, ну тогда смотри чего тебе там mishok советовал, в любом случае понадобится -- либо треды, либо хуистед, либо нормальное что-то
[00:10:03] Typhon: типа eventlet или gevent
[00:11:36] Dukobpa3: /me полез в ту хистори читать что же ему там советовал mishok
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[00:13:15] Typhon: webninja, сделай бочку
[00:13:38] webninja: эм?
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[00:14:53] webninja: http://javascript.ru/ajax/comet/iframe я вот это смотрю
[00:15:13] webninja: Бесконечный IFrame - одна из основ ранних, да и современных AJAX-приложений
[00:15:45] Sevenov: webninja, заебал
[00:15:54] Typhon: webninja, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mv5qzMtLE60
[00:16:44] webninja: Sevenov: я тебя не ебал, пёс
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[00:18:07] Sevenov: webninja, петро-тян со степанен-кун тебя ждут.
[00:18:34] webninja: хаха стоп постинг фаг
[00:18:47] Sevenov: webninja, чоа?
[00:18:55] Dukobpa3: Typhon: ниче там такого не советовалось как оказалось. евентлет и гевент которые ты только что упомянул. Остальное типа джанги, боттла и еще нескольких комбайнов.

Ща погляжу ху из эти двое
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[00:19:41] Typhon: Dukobpa3, там в смысле общее направление было, раз у тебя в одном процессе будет "делаться несколько разных дел", то тебе надо это уметь, для этого вот есть инструменты %)
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[00:20:28] Dukobpa3: Typhon: я подозреваю что стремление "в одном процессе делать много разных дел" из компилируемых языков и платформ пришло.
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[00:21:22] Dukobpa3: Typhon: я не против постичь филосифию питона и прочее блаблабла ибо что-то мне кажется это слегка бред. Но в то же время думаю нужен скил и експириенс :)
[00:21:34] Dukobpa3: а пока можно и грабли об голову поламать
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[00:23:28] Typhon: тут скорее философия юникса -- та ччасть, про "делать одну вещь и делать хорошо" -- жаббер бот и вебсервер (морды по сути будут вебсервером) в одном физическом процессе может не самая отличная идея.
[00:25:18] Dukobpa3: Typhon: да у меня по сути и есть сейчас один бот, только и того что с зачатками большой и толстой системы потому раскидан в десяток классов со своими функциями. Но реально запущен в итоге тока бот который всё остальное дергает. И запускается он не самостоятельно а основным файлом мейн. вот и всё.
[00:26:49] Dukobpa3: пойду перекурю)
[00:27:02] webninja: курить вредно )
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[00:27:39] Sevenov: webninja, тупить вредно.
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[00:27:43] Sevenov: няняня
[00:28:09] webninja: бля )
[00:30:09] webninja: севенов аж на гавно исходит
[00:30:28] Sevenov: няняня
[00:30:31] Sevenov: прям ваще
[00:30:41] Sevenov: я тут немерянно кирпичей высрал
[00:31:01] Sevenov: webninja, делать меня троллить прям на говноооо
[00:31:08] webninja: остановиться не можешь )
[00:31:21] Sevenov: дык ты же меня затроллил
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[00:32:32] webninja: да че тебя троллить ) вон ты слэнг лурковский юзаешь, слова модные
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[00:33:15] Sevenov: А ты даже русского не знаешь. Ни пунктуации, ни орфографии.
[00:33:23] webninja: no u
[00:33:45] Sevenov: > [01:28:04 AM] webninja: севенов аж на гавно исходит
> гавно
> no u
/0
[00:34:05] Sevenov: > слова модные
где точка в конце?
[00:34:31] webninja: хех )
[00:35:17] gigimon: севенова пытаются троллить?
[00:35:42] Sevenov: gigimon, пытаются? Он успешно меня троллит уже который месяц.
[00:35:58] gigimon: Sevenov: теряешь сноровку чтоли?
[00:36:12] Sevenov: gigimon, ваще, ну.
[00:36:21] Sevenov: совсем уже старый.
[00:36:33] webninja: ого ) я и не заметил, а то вон оно че, "уже который месяц"
[00:36:33] gigimon: Sevenov: молодые замещают?
[00:36:54] Sevenov: gigimon, если бы.
[00:37:05] Sevenov: ГДЕ РЕДАГЕНТ БЛДЖАД
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[00:37:15] Sevenov: ???77!!!11
[00:37:18] gigimon: давно его не было
[00:37:33] Sevenov: уж год-полтора как.
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[00:39:57] Typhon: Sevenov, это надо в топик
[00:40:17] Sevenov: Typhon, что именно?
[00:40:29] Typhon: "???77!!!11" разумеется
[00:40:33] Typhon: про рэдагента
[00:40:58] Sevenov: вотоночомихалыч
[00:41:38] Dukobpa3: Typhon: загрузили вы меня короче слегка... Не всё так просто.

1. Если сервер может пушить в клиентов надо писать сокет.
2. Если не может - обходимся банальным хттп-рест.
3. Если написать сокет то он вполне себе сможет работать как рест.
4. Писать сокет дольше. Плюс в клиентах надо будет этот самый сокет слушать на предмет пушей.

Писать сокет как наиболее функциональное решение с перспективой роста?:)
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[00:42:51] Sevenov: Ищу парня, потрахаться.
[00:43:13] Typhon: Dukobpa3, ну напиши, там не сильно дольше то
[00:43:26] Dukobpa3: Sevenov: грамотная подкормка троля?)
[00:43:48] Sevenov: Dukobpa3, чоааааааа?
[00:44:15] deepwalker: самый крутой тролль здесь это ёжик
[00:44:35] webninja: bobry?
[00:44:52] Sevenov: webninja, нет, ejabberd
[00:44:58] Sevenov: алсо, ёж ужасен
[00:45:03] Sevenov: бедный яндекс
[00:45:14] Sevenov: проще свое понаписать, риальне.
[00:45:23] Typhon: Sevenov, пиши свой @ продавай
[00:45:35] Typhon: яндекс то нашли ерлангиста или всё ищут?
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[00:45:46] Sevenov: всё еще ищут
[00:45:49] Sevenov: лол
[00:45:55] Sevenov: на ежа никто не пойдет
[00:46:07] Sevenov: даже мне три письма высрали
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[00:47:39] Typhon: нашёл бы какого-нибудь студента у себя там, поручил бы ему, как будто ты работаешь ^_^
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[00:48:21] Sevenov: Ну у меня есть два студента
[00:48:35] Sevenov: Но они слишком умные для яндекса :4
[00:48:38] Sevenov: :3
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[00:49:04] Sevenov: Гуглу мб отдал бы, и микрософту, а в яндексе мало денег и никакого карьерного роста
[00:49:05] webninja: это ты слишком глупый )
[00:49:26] Sevenov: webninja, Ооо, ты снова сделал мне посрать кирпичей, ваще прям.
[00:49:36] webninja: ваще жгу я считаю )
[00:49:44] Sevenov: Ваще, ну
[00:49:49] Sevenov: троллишь на высоте.
[00:50:02] webninja: ваша школа =)
[00:51:06] Sevenov: ТЫ ЖЫРЕН
[00:51:13] Sevenov: Typhon, смари, ваще жыр
[00:51:43] Sevenov: Это сравнимо с:

- Я ща подрочил и чихнул. Ваще ок.
- я не чихал
[00:51:56] Typhon: ниньдзя, потому что
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[00:53:55] Sevenov: Typhon, а, точно.
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[00:56:25] webninja: слышишь севенов у тебя есть шанс поправить карму
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[00:57:30] Typhon: !karma
[00:57:37] Typhon: а у нас тут нету, да? :-(
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[01:01:31] webninja: у меня такое чувство что все от меня что-то скрывают )
[01:02:05] webninja: http://orbited.org/ нашел такую штучку буду смотреть. вроде подходит по описанию )
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[01:02:43] Sevenov: !karma
[01:02:50] Sevenov: Typhon, риальне нет
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[01:03:00] Sevenov: и что теперь делаааатьььь??77
[01:03:19] Typhon: xa4a, а прикрути к пони карму ^_____^
[01:03:51] Sevenov: xa4a, КАРМА ОК
[01:04:19] Sevenov: Вебнинжа ваще будет яростно дро^Wголый^Wголосовать.
[01:04:22] webninja: наличие кармы приводит к кармадрочерству. у некоторых крышу сносит на этой почве
[01:04:34] Sevenov: webninja, всё правильно.
[01:04:41] webninja: не ) я не буду.
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[01:24:50] Dukobpa3: ку
[01:24:58] Sevenov: кутак
[01:25:24] Dukobpa3: кто-то xmpppy ?
[01:25:26] Sevenov: http://ru.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D0%BA%D1%83%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BA
[01:25:28] Dukobpa3: пили?
[01:25:34] Sevenov: пили водку
[01:25:50] Dukobpa3: мля... Пилил кто-то xmpppy?
[01:27:26] Dukobpa3: ставлю боту ресурс: "Domashniy", а в итоге получается: "Domashniy5C3B6CAE"
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[01:28:44] Dukobpa3: цифирьки вконце всегда разные, с понтом ИД какой-то
[01:30:52] Sevenov: Dukobpa3, с понотом, ну.
[01:31:17] webninja: Dukobpa3: а твой бот может порево спамить в джабберах?
[01:31:48] Sevenov: webninja, конечно
[01:31:53] Sevenov: все боты могут
[01:31:58] Dukobpa3: webninja: нифига он пока не может) он только эхо умеет и exit
[01:32:23] Dukobpa3: ну еще логи в БД ведет, в монго
[01:32:28] webninja: ого
[01:32:39] xa4a: Dukobpa3: gmail.com?
[01:32:59] Dukobpa3: xa4a: бот? Да там
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[01:33:15] xa4a: в этом дело
[01:33:20] xa4a: это гмейл дописывает в ресурс
[01:33:54] Dukobpa3: xa4a: хуле нам кабанам, щас к другому акку приконнекчу, провею)
[01:34:06] Dukobpa3: xa4a: спасибо
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[01:37:17] Dukobpa3: xa4a: да, внатуре, гмыло выпендривалось)
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[02:07:23] Dukobpa3: Блин, а шо за фигня, некоторые пакеты не могут поставитсья ибо просят какой-то vcvarsall.bat, но не находят :-(
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[02:14:49] webninja: сноси винду - будь труъ
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[02:27:00] Dukobpa3: webninja: сами свой линух трите) А я и с виндой тру)
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[03:00:07] webninja: От виндовса, от виндовса все идет, братья! Не в деньгах, мол, счастье, виндовс, мол, тоже ось, дальше — больше, фотошоп, игры, а там и мморпг..., Всех их на кол, братья!.. Я бы делал что? Я бы прямо спрашивал: виндовс юзаешь? На кол тебя! В ворде пишешь? На кол! .net знаешь? На кол, слишком много знаешь!
[03:00:42] Tony: удваиваю на .net только макаки пишут
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[03:01:01] webninja: под веб говорят даже пишут
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[03:02:08] Tony: да нигрософт у них даже веб через жопу
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[03:05:06] webninja: не ну чето пишут
[03:05:12] webninja: для серьезных даже организаций
[03:05:35] webninja: у меня товарищ-программист для татнефть чето пишет на C#
[03:05:59] webninja: говорят в таких темах разных промышленных винда в основном
[03:06:16] webninja: исторически сложилось ) и ваще там все через жопу но как-то работает и не трогают
[03:08:04] Tony: не показатель
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[03:08:10] Tony: и что значит промышленных?
[03:08:42] webninja: ну значит там где людям похер на все главное добывать нефть ) или плавить метал
[03:08:49] webninja: на станках
[03:08:56] webninja: чпу которые
[03:09:01] Tony: ну это тем более не показатель. так и на пхп много что пишут.
[03:09:11] Tony: ээээ... вообще-то для чпу и прочего есть ОС реального времени
[03:09:26] Tony: и код там далеко не на C# и не на питоне.
[03:09:26] webninja: ну софт которым управляют
[03:09:30] webninja: чертежи туда суют
[03:09:44] Tony: а. это же прошлый век все.
[03:10:01] Tony: а так дохуя и под досом кто работает, legacy-система
[03:10:04] Tony: тоже не показатель
[03:10:58] webninja: все нетворки предприятий которые чето делают виндовс базед. я как-то работал одмином немножко на предприятии где делали роботов. серваки даже у нас были на НТ. если переделывать это пиздец нах. т.е. там все так было есть и будет и поменять что-то очень тяжело
[03:11:31] webninja: ну канешно не показатель но факт как бы фактом что это дерьмо востребовано используется и от него так просто не отказаться.
[03:12:01] Tony: никого не волнует че там происходит в мире покемонов, что это говно настолько криво написано что оно нихуя не портабельно это еще один минус ему.
[03:12:58] Tony: по большому то счету это ничего не меняет. сколько бы килограмм говна в день не поедали говноеды, говно все равно останется говном.
[03:13:00] webninja: ага ) ну только покемонов тоже не волнует. потихоньку канешно перелезут на линукс но это будет не скоро. или там где у админов есть железная воля и крепкие нервы )
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[03:13:46] Tony: лично мне, как-то глубоко все равно что там происходит, я давно зарекся не связываться с теми кто в ИТ не профессионально. :)
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[03:47:01] webninja: http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/django/70505/ slav0nic жжет глаголом )
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[09:18:14] mishok13: ох там и треш по ссылке
[09:18:23] mishok13: Торнадо однопоточен

Это даёт хороший прирост скорости и уменшение требований к ресурсам. Особенно к памяти. В некоторых случаях это даёт дополнительные бонусы. Например, можно писать в файлы и прочие хранилища безо всяких блокировок.
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[09:42:17] deepwalker: https://github.com/daevaorn/brownie/blob/master/brownie/functional.py я гоню, или композе нерабочий?
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[10:02:09] bobry: deepwalker, рабочий думаю, проверял?
[10:02:27] deepwalker: как он может работать? он же должен функцию вернуть
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[10:02:53] deepwalker: там partial не стоит, a и kw не определены
[10:03:07] deepwalker: а, это я гоню : )
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[10:03:50] deepwalker: вот нафиг так писать, чтобы потом об лямбдя спотыкаться?
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[10:04:59] bobry: зато "крутой функциональный стиль"
[10:05:02] deepwalker: дошло вобщем как он работает
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[10:06:29] deepwalker: мне вообще стиль этой либы не понравился
[10:07:10] bobry: даже карринг есть, ого :)
[10:07:59] bobry: нафига они пол itertools то переписали?
[10:08:22] bobry: ох, for earlier versions of python
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[13:49:47] Dukobpa3: Вопрос. Попробовал тестовый проект на джанге, на боттле, и вот щас ковыряю ZMQ. В туторах прочитал что надо каким-то особым образом апачу настроить. У меня локально никакой апачи нету (ну есть денвер, но на момент тестов он отключен был, следовательно апач был вырублен) Так вот оно всё запускается и всё работает. Даже без этой самой настройки апача и прочего бубна. Что я делаю не так?
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[13:50:14] wiz: читаешь говномануалы
[13:50:46] Dukobpa3: та мне даже тут в конфе грили что надо вместо мод_пхп ставить мод_что-то там
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[13:51:14] Dukobpa3: я этого не делал в виду того что как-то не совсем разобрался как это в денвере делать. Потом попробовал а оно и без этого работает
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[14:08:59] cutwater: Dukobpa3: денвер говно и не нужен
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[15:19:22] py_two: cutwater: денвер да, скорее говно, чем нет:)
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[15:42:46] Dukobpa3: я могу функцию (ссылку на функцию) передать как параметр другой функции(func2(param1, func1)), или же сделать return func1 ?
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[15:43:46] wiz: а что мешает?
[15:44:07] ds.tihonov: пробуй
[15:44:13] ds.tihonov: всё должно получится
[15:44:14] cutwater: Dukobpa3: можешь. а можешь вначале еще и попробовать, прежде чем задавать свои вопросы.
[15:44:48] Dukobpa3: уже попробовал, извините за флуд
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[15:45:39] bobry: завсегдатаи редита есть?
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[15:45:44] bobry: шо там нормальные пацаны читают?
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[15:46:32] ds.tihonov: ithappens.ru
[15:46:48] bobry: эм?
[15:46:52] wiz: http://www.reddit.com/r/ForeverAlone/
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[15:46:59] bobry: я про сабреддиты спрашивал если шо
[15:47:03] wiz: ithappens уныл чуть более чем полностью
[15:47:27] bobry: а то HN заколебали потоком говна которое никак не отфильтровать
[15:47:29] ds.tihonov: а, да, там же про "нормальные пацаны" спрашивали
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[15:49:26] Typhon: bobry, на реддите ещё больше говна %)
[15:49:43] Typhon: iamabus или как там -- вот это сабреддите что надо
[15:49:46] bobry: Typhon, оно хотя бы растекается по сабредитам
[15:49:50] Typhon: а так, xyuma в основном
[15:50:26] Typhon: r/compsci/
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[15:50:45] bobry: xyuma? O_O
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[15:51:31] Typhon: в реддите? да -- сигнал/шум коэффициент вообще неудовл.
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[15:52:15] Typhon: я вот compsci читаю и ещё какой-то с малым траффиком
[15:52:20] Typhon: но всё равно отстоя хватает.
[15:52:36] Typhon: а там где траффик выше (языковые сабреддиты) -- ещё хуже
[15:52:46] Typhon: на реддит и nh лучше в твиттере вылавливать ссылки
[15:52:53] Typhon: чуваки отфильтруют и кинут %)
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[15:53:09] Typhon: и так -- блоги чотких чуваков и ltu -- FTW!
[15:53:39] Typhon: r/systems/ ещё читаю, вот.
[15:54:34] bobry: ну, я в твиттерах не сижу -- посему не вариант :)
[15:54:46] bobry: кстати, Typhon -- ты гуглоридером не пользуешься?
[15:55:18] Typhon: пользуюсь
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[15:55:40] bobry: можно тебя там зафоловить?
[15:55:47] Typhon: даже шарю что-то там %)
[15:56:02] xa4a: /me посмотрел в рссе, что как-то дофига редитов накопилось
[15:56:27] xa4a: /r/programming читать напряжно, хотя там бывает интересное изредка
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[15:56:48] bobry: мне нравится /r/xmonad -- одно сообщение в месяц и то какой нить вопрос про layouts :)
[15:57:27] Typhon: xa4a, ООООЧЕНЬ большой трафик
[15:57:37] Typhon: я обычно беру ~7posts per week.
[15:57:46] Typhon: если больше гуглоридер показывает, то уже много
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[17:56:32] Ляпатяпа: кто-нибудь пользуется командой hg pull --rebase?
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[17:57:13] Ляпатяпа: что она сделает, если есть непустые hg in и hg out?
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[17:59:21] Ляпатяпа: рискнул
[17:59:24] Ляпатяпа: сделало как надо
[17:59:29] Ляпатяпа: без всяких мержей
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[18:02:00] wiz: а нафиг она вообще нужна?
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[18:02:53] Ляпатяпа: вместо мержа ребейз автоматический
[18:03:07] wiz: что за ребейз?
[18:03:11] wiz: какой-то грязный хак?
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[18:03:31] Ляпатяпа: посмотри на даты
[18:03:47] Ляпатяпа: ребейз меняет местами чейнджсеты
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[18:14:13] wiz: и зачем?
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[18:15:55] Ляпатяпа: мне кажется это удобнее мержей
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[18:17:18] wiz: а при чём тут мержы вообще?
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[18:18:17] Ляпатяпа: ну у меня есть локальные закоммиченные изменения, на сервере есть новые изменения, их надо совместить
[18:18:26] maxim.zemlyakov is now online
[18:18:32] Ляпатяпа: как ты в этом случае поступаешь?
[18:18:41] xa4a: ребейз - цепляет старые изменения из левой ветки к голове хорошей ветки
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[18:18:43] xa4a: вместо мержа
[18:19:08] wiz: так... а мерж?
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[18:20:08] Ляпатяпа: а мерж соединяет две ветки
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[18:20:28] Ляпатяпа: в ребейзе в итоге одна ветка, как будто разработка шла последовательно
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[18:21:06] wiz: но это же неправда
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[19:53:55] Dukobpa3: люто бешено начинаю ненавидеть линухоидов ]:->
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[20:03:05] py_two: Dukobpa3: чего ?
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[20:03:30] py_two: ааа
[20:03:34] py_two: ну ясно:)
[20:03:38] Ляпатяпа: ути пути
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[20:08:05] py_two: дебиан все же поставился
[20:08:16] py_two: на вертуалку
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[20:08:44] bobry: Dukobpa3, продолжай ]:->
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[20:08:50] py_two: на вашу оригинальную генту не решился
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[20:15:52] Dukobpa3: bobry: побьют))) лол)
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[20:25:14] webninja: у меня убунту на виртуалке
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[20:25:43] webninja: очень редко альтабаюсь в виндовс. музяку пописать например.
[20:27:20] webninja: виндовс для работы это срань ) репозиториев нет.
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[20:27:41] py_two: ага
[20:27:50] py_two: питон+виндавс - это несерьезно
[20:27:50] Dukobpa3: та до задницы мне ваши репозитории)))
[20:28:13] webninja: в виндовсе хоть pip есть?
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[20:28:38] webninja: так а че до задницы берешь например pip install twisted
[20:28:42] bobry: webninja, раньше не было
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[20:28:59] Dukobpa3: но какого хрена я должен компилить что ни попадя? Это ваша вздрочь, вы и компильте, у вас это нативно. А мне на выне надо еще кучу хренотени гуглить и ставить для этого. Дайте мне длл готовую и всё будет ок, и все будут счастливы.
[20:29:00] webninja: а не ебешь мозги с тем как бы поставить рыская по интернету в поисках нужного барахла
[20:29:14] py_two: вот-вот
[20:29:15] webninja: ты нуб ) пип вроде ниче не компилит
[20:29:23] Dukobpa3: webninja: я точно так же делаю
[20:29:37] py_two: не, на виндавсе нужно кучу компиляторов держать
[20:29:39] webninja: пикурл не ставил еще?
[20:29:41] py_two: и потом париться компилить
[20:30:36] Dukobpa3: нет, пикурл не ставил
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[20:30:58] webninja: в основном все инфраструктуру программерскую, особенно для веба. банально не расчитывают на виндовс. короче нах-нах ) я какое-то время попарился с виндой потом открыл убунту и познал дзен )
[20:31:03] Dukobpa3: камлаю вокруг ZMQ перед этим камлал с PyXMPP
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[20:31:36] py_two: а вот отсутствие пакетов в дебиане типа pycuda не радует=\
[20:31:51] webninja: !g pycuda
[20:32:03] py_two: webninja: как раз наоборот
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[20:32:27] py_two: webninja: дзен бы ты познал в венде, а в лине ты заховал профит
[20:32:31] py_two: ну или как-то так
[20:33:26] webninja: да и разница между виндовс и линухом по удобству щаз минимальна ) линух только быстрее )
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[20:33:48] py_two: webninja: та не скажи
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[20:34:18] webninja: а у тебя какой?
[20:34:32] py_two: а попробуй-ка начать копировать 20гб образ чего-нибудь и в это время полазить по оболочке и запустить firefox ?
[20:34:36] py_two: да хоть какой
[20:35:13] py_two: у линукса есть бага связанная c работой с винтами
[20:35:16] Dukobpa3: у тех кто иксами не пользуется конечно быстрее))))
[20:35:31] py_two: что, запустить ff быстрее ?
[20:35:36] py_two: или что быстрее ?
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[20:35:50] py_two: скопирувать быстрее ?
[20:36:19] webninja: у меня 4е десктопа и какое-то время был еще компиз врублен ) и все это на пиртуалке с 1.5 гигами памяти линух хавал около 500метров с запущенной ява айде
[20:36:40] py_two: и что ?
[20:36:58] py_two: ну так возьми начни копировать файл на 20гб и посмотри как у тебя все работает
[20:37:04] py_two: как там всё запускается
[20:37:15] py_two: на многозадачность как раз посмотришь в реалтайме
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[20:37:39] webninja: все настраивается
[20:37:46] py_two: что настраивается ?
[20:38:00] py_two: это бага всемирноизвестная
[20:38:11] webninja: я копировал с сервера на сервер гораздо больше при этом сайты норм. работали
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[20:38:33] py_two: с сервера на сервер быстрее 100\1000мегабит не получится
[20:38:41] py_two: это не нагружает дисковую систему
[20:38:55] webninja: ты каждый день копирешь файл 20гиг?
[20:38:55] py_two: в первом случае быстрее 12мб не будет литься.
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[20:39:06] py_two: ну приходится да, образы переливать
[20:39:21] py_two: и хотелось бы работать при этом, а не наблюдать за скриншотом линукса
[20:40:06] py_two: у меня стабильно переливы раз в неделю 400-600гб
[20:40:25] py_two: ладно, оставим эту тему, ок ?
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[20:40:52] py_two: тему производительности и многозадачности линукс десктопа
[20:41:33] py_two: линукс просто удобна для кодинга на скриптовых языках
[20:41:41] py_two: будь то быдлопых или няшный питон
[20:41:51] py_two: :)
[20:41:58] webninja: да )
[20:42:19] py_two: на этой позитивной ноте закроем эту холиварную тему:)
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[20:54:27] Tony: гм. подскажите плиз. нужен какой-то ремот сторадж для картинок
[20:54:32] Tony: picasa вырубает ебнутыми лимитами на альбомы
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[20:57:03] Tony: s3 вымораживает тем что без платного аккаунта там нехуй делать
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[21:02:09] webninja: ммм Flickr?
[21:02:28] webninja: но там вроде нельзя хотлинкать
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[21:20:04] БТРкO: доброго времени. народ, как указать интерпретатору питона искать библиотеки в другом месте?
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[21:35:34] bobry: БТРкO, поменять PYTHONPATH? или sys.path
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[21:36:11] БТРкO: bobry: уже накопал
[21:36:43] БТРкO: интересно, питон3 захавает pyqt4 от питон2.6
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[21:38:10] bobry: думаю что нет
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[21:42:03] py_two: бухыхы. Можно юзать как своп память видяхи
[21:42:22] py_two: $ dd if=/mnt/tmpfs/foo of=/mnt/tmpfs/foo2 bs=$((1000*1000)) count=250 conv=fdatasync
250000000 bytes (250 MB) copied, 0.13663 s, 1.8 GB/s
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[21:53:31] БТРкO: ImportError: No module named PyQt4.QtCore
странное такое название библиотеки не воспринимает интерпретатор(( чего ему надо то? уже даже залинковал и всеравно пишет что не найдено
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[21:56:48] xa4a: БТРкO: PyQt4 импортируется?
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[22:18:03] БТРкO: xa4a: не импортируется. оно совсем не видит его
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[22:18:49] xa4a: ОС?
[22:18:52] БТРкO: пробовал собрать из исходников, sip не собирается, а оно нужно для сборки pyqt4
[22:19:10] БТРкO: Linux debian 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Wed Jan 12 04:01:41 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux
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[22:19:30] xa4a: у тебя нет .soшки
[22:20:15] xa4a: ну.. тоесть PyQt4 не установлен
[22:20:18] xa4a: ты как ставил?
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[22:20:30] xa4a: есть /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/PyQt4 ?
[22:20:42] БТРкO: из репов же
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[22:21:49] БТРкO: /usr/lib/pyshared/python2.6/PyQt4/QtCore.so
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[22:23:33] БТРкO: кроме как в эту директорию ничего из пакета python-qt4 ничего не ставится
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[22:26:31] Typhon: http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/algorithm/113237/ -- а вот содержимое по ссылке достать кто-нибудь может?
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[22:27:10] bobry: закрыто вроде
[22:27:54] Typhon: а для пользователей?
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[22:28:13] bobry: Автор переместил топик в черновики.
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[22:28:46] xa4a: БТРкO: должно быть ок, хм..
[22:29:21] xa4a: попробуй strace python -c "import PyQt4.QtCore"
[22:29:21] Typhon: bobry, оттуда никак нельзя достать? :)
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[22:29:28] bobry: неа, тока автор может
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[22:29:40] xa4a: в рссе не отложилось?
[22:29:42] xa4a: какая тема?
[22:29:51] БТРкO: xa4a: ну вобщем питон3 как-то не очень нормально живет. Хорошо не перешел на него
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[22:30:35] Typhon: xa4a, "Подсчёт объектов на изображении"
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[22:31:05] Typhon: БТРкO, просто либа для питон2 не будет работать на питон3
[22:31:12] Typhon: (если это си-екст)
[22:31:55] xa4a: БТРкO: а, 3. у тебя же написано: /usr/lib/pyshared/python2.6/
[22:31:56] xa4a: 2.6
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[22:32:05] xa4a: в тройке не подхватится
[22:32:15] xa4a: я не уверен, что pyqt4 вообще под тройку есть
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[22:36:53] Typhon: xa4a, ты, вроде бы, чем-то похожим занимаешься, про изображения, может порекомендуешь урлы, литературу? (уровень -- студентка, если на хаскиле -- то вообще ок)
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[22:38:06] БТРкO: xa4a: он есть под тройку. автор же както написал, скомпилил и пользовал целый год ее
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[22:38:56] xa4a: Typhon: на хаскиле - точно не знаю ничего. литературы никакой не читал) всё так - редит, монографии..
[22:38:57] xa4a: хм
[22:39:10] xa4a: /r/computervision
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[22:39:29] xa4a: эм.. что про изображения? обработка/распознание?
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[22:40:02] Typhon: "Подсчёт объектов на изображении" и рилейтед. распознование, т.е. скорее
[22:40:02] Tony: гм. а никто не встречал либу для amazon s3 которая может работать на google app engine?
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[22:40:35] xa4a: Typhon: подсчёт объектов - думаю, ключевые слова blob detection
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[22:42:10] Typhon: xa4a, ок, спасибо
[22:42:56] xa4a: я вообще до того, как диплом начал писать - не имел отношения к картинкам практического)
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[22:43:15] xa4a: потом, когда научрук начала давать ключевые слова- по блогам читал уже
[22:43:24] xa4a: http://www.reddit.com/r/computervision/top/ тут что-то интересное, должно быть
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[22:44:19] Typhon: угу, а по книженциям что-то порекомендовать можешь или в амазоне по ключевым словам и оценкам посмотреть послать?
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[22:46:55] xa4a: с книжками не сталкивался
[22:47:03] xa4a: /me думает, откуда он вообще про картинки знает..
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[22:48:37] xa4a: только добавить, что связанные ключевые слова - signal processing, machine learning
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[22:49:46] xa4a: ну вот то, что в амазоне первое по computer vision - на реддите на первой странице имеет ссылку на ебуку
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[22:51:04] xa4a: и эта книжка выглядит очень не плохой
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[22:53:08] Typhon: угу, спасибо :)
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[22:54:03] xa4a: заказать себе, что ли)
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[22:54:46] xa4a: http://quantombone.blogspot.com/2011/01/if-you-are-starting-your-research-in.html
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[22:58:10] Typhon: о, круто :-)
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[23:43:23] xa4a: если брать сервер для личных целей, там, какие-то pet projects, бота запустить - это ведь задача для самого простого вдса?
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